Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
One of these great twitter polls that Rachael from Swindon loves is needed, who is more rattled whilst trying to look the most supportive to the cult leader:
There is no such thing as a let down in the world of Welsh polling.
Every poll emanating from the Principality is box office.
I Remember a couple of welsh polls at the start of the 2017 general election suggesting Con would get a majority of Welsh seats for the first time since JackW was a twinkle in his mothers eye...
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
That would be terrific, as it would imply some form of PR with a party list system rather than one-per-constituency FPTP.
There are now 20 Independent MPs in Parliament - 11 TIG and 9 other independents.
"BBC Research" says 11 + 8 - and it's not that they've forgotten Austin - they were wrong yesterday when they had 11 + 7.
If they can't get something as simple as this correct (and it's correct on Parliament website) what hope is there of them getting more complex data correct?
I expect they've forgotten Lady Sylvia Hermon. Everyone always does.
It's easy to, given that she seems more loyal to the government whip than many who supposedly take it.
Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
Tiggers having to protect themselves from entryists.
If they don't like the colour of your stripes, you can't join.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
There is no such thing as a let down in the world of Welsh polling.
Every poll emanating from the Principality is box office.
Remember a couple of welsh polls at the start of the 2018 general election suggesting Con would get a majority of Welsh seats for the first time since JackW was a twinkle in his mothers eye...
And look how that ended up!
The Tories went from gaining Newport West to losing Cardiff North in that campaign.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
That would be terrific, as it would imply some form of PR with a party list system rather than one-per-constituency FPTP.
I'd be up for PR especially with all these splits going on all over the place.
FPTP was getting rather silly when it was Con/Lab/Lib-Dem/SNP/UKIP but now with Con and Lab splintering into different directions I think FPTP will soon be redundant.
Volunteering for the national military of a UK friend and ally makes you a terrorist? In what universe is that a fair point?
Israel is neither a friend or an ally of the UK. They are the enemy of some of our enemies and supplier of high tech military products. We don't trust them and they certainly don't trust us.
Well successive Prime Ministers have referred to Israel as both a friend and an ally so clearly the official position is very different to yours.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
I'm not at all sure that those pre-announced resignations are going to be relevant. They might well have decamped to the Hundred Acre Wood before then.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
That would be terrific, as it would imply some form of PR with a party list system rather than one-per-constituency FPTP.
I'd be up for PR especially with all these splits going on all over the place.
FPTP was getting rather silly when it was Con/Lab/Lib-Dem/SNP/UKIP but now with Con and Lab splintering into different directions I think FPTP will soon be redundant.
Trouble is that, like the House of Lords, its beneficiaries always seem to think it's a good thing.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
Absolutely not. We elect constituency MPs not parties and anything that gives yet more power to the parties should be avoided at all costs.
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
I agree with this but it does strike me sometimes as an unfair bargain.
I have to look after my kids as they grow up from when they are babies. This is on the whole a pleasure. They are first of all helpless and cute, then not so helpless but still cute, then they develop and fill out, and this is interesting and fulfilling to be a part of, if sometimes a little worrying. But still, all in all, a great experience.
Then - the quid pro quo - they have to look after me when I've 'gone over'. I am increasingly helpless but most definitely NOT cute. I am wizened and not attractive to look at. I smell a bit off. My conversation has become rambling and repetitive. I get ill tempered over nothing. In extremis I can't remember names, I mix things up the whole time. All in all, looking after me is not such a pleasant experience.
I suppose it evens out if you extend it to a 3rd generation - so everybody gets a bash at each end, so to speak - but between any particular parent/child pairing the parent sort of wins and the child sort of loses.
Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
Why would Leavers want to join them?
It would be funny if there were lots more defections - of people who didn't want to join Chuka.....
Volunteering for the national military of a UK friend and ally makes you a terrorist? In what universe is that a fair point?
Israel is neither a friend or an ally of the UK. They are the enemy of some of our enemies and supplier of high tech military products. We don't trust them and they certainly don't trust us.
Well successive Prime Ministers have referred to Israel as both a friend and an ally so clearly the official position is very different to yours.
Since when did you care about the official position? You regarded the official position on the EU to be treachery.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Neither look likely to be fair - Boris because he's been "found out" and JRM doesn't want it enough.
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
I agree with this but it does strike me sometimes as an unfair bargain.
I have to look after my kids as they grow up from when they are babies. This is on the whole a pleasure. They are first of all helpless and cute, then not so helpless but still cute, then they develop and fill out, and this is interesting and fulfilling to be a part of, if sometimes a little worrying. But still, all in all, a great experience.
Then - the quid pro quo - they have to look after me when I've 'gone over'. I am increasingly helpless but most definitely NOT cute. I am wizened and not attractive to look at. I smell a bit off. My conversation has become rambling and repetitive. I get ill tempered over nothing. In extremis I can't remember names, I mix things up the whole time. All in all, looking after me is not such a pleasant experience.
I suppose it evens out if you extend it to a 3rd generation - so everybody gets a bash at each end, so to speak - but between any particular parent/child pairing the parent sort of wins and the child sort of loses.
I don't see elderly people as being more of a nuisance than young children are.
Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
Tiggers having to protect themselves from entryists.
If they don't like the colour of your stripes, you can't join.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Boris or JRM as leader v Corbyn Labour would almost certainly see the TIGs in alliance with the LDs on about 20 to 25% as the SDP Liberal Alliance got in 1983 and 1987.
However as Thatcher showed then that need not prevent a right-wing Tory party winning a majority under FPTP
From recent observation, most children are only too willing to look after their aged parents as best they can. The challenge is not so much distance (though obviously that doesn't help) as time - looking after an old relative is very time-consuming, and if you're in a full-time job, that's a nightmare. Rather than lazily attacking Remainers for carting off grannies to retirement homes, the Bishop of Brexit might have pondered more on how filial responsibilities can be fitted around work.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Boris or JRM as leader v Corbyn Labour would almost certainly see the TIGs in alliance with the LDs on about 20 to 25% as the SDP Liberal Alliance got in 1983 and 1987.
However as Thatcher showed then that need not prevent a right-wing Tory party winning a majority under FPTP
On Israel, I seem to recall singing about it a tremendous amount when I was in my formative years. I note Corbyn went to a prep school too, so maybe he is miffed about that !
Volunteering for the national military of a UK friend and ally makes you a terrorist? In what universe is that a fair point?
Israel is neither a friend or an ally of the UK. They are the enemy of some of our enemies and supplier of high tech military products. We don't trust them and they certainly don't trust us.
Well successive Prime Ministers have referred to Israel as both a friend and an ally so clearly the official position is very different to yours.
Since when did you care about the official position? You regarded the official position on the EU to be treachery.
No I didn't. Stop making things up. By definition an official HMG position cannot be treachery. It can however be wrong and counter to our interests.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
Absolutely not. We elect constituency MPs not parties and anything that gives yet more power to the parties should be avoided at all costs.
Which is why we need STV. In FPTnP the majority of MPs in safe seats are effectively chosen by tiny handfuls of party members.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
That would be terrific, as it would imply some form of PR with a party list system rather than one-per-constituency FPTP.
I'd be up for PR especially with all these splits going on all over the place.
FPTP was getting rather silly when it was Con/Lab/Lib-Dem/SNP/UKIP but now with Con and Lab splintering into different directions I think FPTP will soon be redundant.
Trouble is that, like the House of Lords, its beneficiaries always seem to think it's a good thing.
The bigger problem is that whatever you replace it with may well not be any better. And the whole process of making the change will be riven with parties (in both the official and unofficial sense of the word) looking to use the change for personal gain.
I am not wedded to FPTP but I would strongly oppose anything that gave more power to the parties so any form of PR based on supposed party vote is something to be avoided at all costs
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
Whilst I think the honourable course of action is to resign to create a by-election, I would hate for that to be enshrined in law.
My belief has always been that we return a series of individuals to Parliament - and such a law would alter that relationship.
Could I see some form of recall mechanism? Perhaps. But mandatory by-elections for changing of party allegiance? No.
We did away with forced by-elections for MPs entering the Cabinet a long, long time ago.
The only change I want to see with regards to by-elections at this stage is to reduce the 1 year prison term down to any prison term - so that we don't have the outrage of what we are experiencing now. If you are elected to Parliament, you should be held to a higher standard and thus any prison term (whether suspended or not) leads to your permanent exclusion from any elected office in the UK. And I would extend that to those sitting in the House of Lords. A law maker who becomes a law breaker has no right to sit in Parliament or even a Parish Council.
So let the individual MP decide whether the feel a by-election is the appropriate response to the circumstances of their defection. In most cases, I agree that they probably should call for one - but not all.
It seems to me that McDonnell is distancing himself from Corbyn more than used to be the case. It's not just a question of style, I think: the positioning seems to be different..
What if the Home Secretary has intelligence which suggests that Shamina Begum would be a danger to the public if she were to return?
I would have thought the default assumption is that she does pose a danger unless and until it can be demonstrated otherwise.
As to what intelligence Sajid Javid possesses - well clearly no fool but he is increasingly looking like a lightweight.
The reality is this case is just people competing to show how much they hate ISIS.
From a narrow political perspective, I think Javid missed a trick by saying he will bring her to justice. That might have reassured the Tory membership.
Agree with Chris Williamson that Austin should be forced to fight a by-election.
I was shocked when the Conservative spokesperson on QT last night didn't seem to think these MPs should hold by elections (even though the audience was very strongly in favour of by elections being held)
Hopefully the next government will legislate to say that if an MP changes their party they have to get the consent of their electorate by holding by elections by law.
Absolutely not. We elect constituency MPs not parties and anything that gives yet more power to the parties should be avoided at all costs.
Which is why we need STV. In FPTnP the majority of MPs in safe seats are effectively chosen by tiny handfuls of party members.
I think I could persuade myself of that. As I say my main gripe is the power of parties. As long as they are not given more representation in the system I am not concerned. But I agree that the current system looks to be failing us.
I return to my belief that we should ban whipping. But I know that upsets all the party faithful out there.
In spite of the fact it has put Brexit at risk I have enjoyed seeing MPs act more as independents these past few months.
It seems to me that McDonnell is distancing himself from Corbyn more than used to be the case. It's not just a question of style, I think: the positioning seems to be different..
It seems to me that McDonnell is distancing himself from Corbyn more than used to be the case. It's not just a question of style, I think: the positioning seems to be different..
Alastair, the Welsh poll has a special place in the hearts of all PBers. It is customary and, might I add, gentlemanly, to issue a Welsh Poll Alert when one is due.
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
I agree with this but it does strike me sometimes as an unfair bargain.
I have to look after my kids as they grow up from when they are babies. This is on the whole a pleasure. They are first of all helpless and cute, then not so helpless but still cute, then they develop and fill out, and this is interesting and fulfilling to be a part of, if sometimes a little worrying. But still, all in all, a great experience.
Then - the quid pro quo - they have to look after me when I've 'gone over'. I am increasingly helpless but most definitely NOT cute. I am wizened and not attractive to look at. I smell a bit off. My conversation has become rambling and repetitive. I get ill tempered over nothing. In extremis I can't remember names, I mix things up the whole time. All in all, looking after me is not such a pleasant experience.
I suppose it evens out if you extend it to a 3rd generation - so everybody gets a bash at each end, so to speak - but between any particular parent/child pairing the parent sort of wins and the child sort of loses.
I don't see elderly people as being more of a nuisance than young children are.
Well they voted for Brexit, if that isn't being a nuisance I don't know what is.
It seems to me that McDonnell is distancing himself from Corbyn more than used to be the case. It's not just a question of style, I think: the positioning seems to be different..
I'm not sure if he's trying to distance himself or trying to put pressure on Corbyn to move
Yes, perhaps that's a better way of putting it.
I'm not sure if committing to a second referendum would make much difference for Labour at this stage (and quite a lot of their MPs might well vote against it).
You're spot on pointing out the hypocrisy of some, but at least, the Begum situation gives Jezza a chance to show his impeccable liberal credentials. He's probably still mourning over the 'murder' of Jihadi John.
The conditions in the refugee camp probably are very uncomfortable but nowhere near as uncomfortable as the conditions were for the Yazidis under ISIS.
But it's a matter of feeling superior for some people. They can see beyond the veneer of fairness and justice to see the real issue - legal justice for a British passport holder, even if she gave it up the first chance she got. It's not every day they get the chance to show their objective superiority. The fact that it shows to most people that they're verging on barmy doesn't matter.
If you claim to be on the side of the oppressed, as one J Corbyn claims, then you should be supporting and seeking to help the Yazidis. Rather than doing so, Corbyn actively voted against measures designed to help them.
He is not barmy. He simply has no moral sense or sense of basic decency. A decent human being would have been concerned about what Luciana Berger, Ruth Smeeth, Margaret Hodge, Louise Ellmann faced and reached out to them and tried to help them. He would have shown some empathy and taken real action. Instead, he simply stated that he was against racism as if saying something is enough. And it isn’t. That’s why people are - rightly - fed up.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Do you think Fraser's aware of the concept of people who don't have children?
I find Frasers comment about daughter's responsibilities somewhat unpleasant and unfortunate, given that our daughter died (of MND) in her late 40's. Are we, if we get to that sad stage, supposed to rely on our daughters in law? After all, A son is a son till he takes him a wife. But a daughter's a daughter all of her life.
A really brutal truth that I learnt when looking after my mother.
Old people without families are completely screwed.
There is no way that you can successfully navigate the NHS, Social Services, Council services, banks and tax authorities, if you have dementia or are in seriously failing health.
No one else will push these unwieldy organisations into getting you what you need, other than your family.
You may wish that were not the case. I may wish that were not the case. But, Giles Fraser is simply stating a fact.
Without family (not necessarily daughters), you should be really terrified of getting old.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
It seems to me that McDonnell is distancing himself from Corbyn more than used to be the case. It's not just a question of style, I think: the positioning seems to be different..
I'm not sure if he's trying to distance himself or trying to put pressure on Corbyn to move
Yes, perhaps that's a better way of putting it.
I'm not sure if committing to a second referendum would make much difference for Labour at this stage (and quite a lot of their MPs might well vote against it).
That may be so, but what's is the alternative? Continuing to collude with the ERG to crash us out without a deal is likely to be even more opposed by Labour MPs, revoking without a referendum isn't a goer and wouldn't get a majority, simply agreeing to back the deal (or at least abstain) might have been an option once but now would cause major ructions because those wanting a referendum think they have a chance, and the 'jobs-first Brexit' is a convenient fairy-tale for soothing the children at bed-time, not a policy which can be voted on.
I don't know how this will play out, but I can see a second referendum is a possible scenario, albeit one fraught with its own difficulties.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
The position of the Tories and Labour is not the same though; now the Labour split is happening if a brexiteer took over and called an election the rebel scum would be crushed. Tory voters are significantly more united, just not with their party leadership.
Interesting to observe a potential divide already opening up between the defecting and/or independent MPs. Ian Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcock don't seem to be interested in joining the TIGs.
It would be a very bad idea for this new grouping to accept Leavers. As a USP it's priceless and if the cards fall kindly could see them going far
Why would Leavers want to join them?
Exactly. Why would a lingerie model join an agency in Riyadh?
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
I don't see elderly people as being more of a nuisance than young children are.
Me neither. In fact in general I would much rather hang out with a pensioner than a toddler. But it's more the 'looking after' aspect I was thinking about. Or more particularly the often expressed sentiment that the reason why one must look after one's parents at the end of their lives is because they looked after you at the start of yours. That it is a matter of equity. This to me is superficially very reasonable but I am not sure that I agree with it - for the reasons outlined.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Boris or JRM as leader v Corbyn Labour would almost certainly see the TIGs in alliance with the LDs on about 20 to 25% as the SDP Liberal Alliance got in 1983 and 1987.
However as Thatcher showed then that need not prevent a right-wing Tory party winning a majority under FPTP
As usual you miss the point.
Your point being there could be more Tory resignations, my point being that does not rule out Boris or JRM winning under FPTP
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
Giles Frasier. Scourge of social and physical mobility. Born in Aldershot, Hampshire. Educated in Hollingbury Court, Sussex. Graduated from Newcastle University, Tyne and Wear. Doctorate from Lancaster University, Lancashire. Works in Southwark, South London.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
So was this week - via an insignificant council by-election in Cardiff and the emergence of TIG - the first inklings of a wider shift in the polls? That the Remainer vote, however widely construed (and that may include "not that fussed about the EU but really a bit worried about 3,500 job losses in Swindon"), is finally moving away from Corbyn?
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
Giles Frasier. Scourge of social and physical mobility. Born in Aldershot, Hampshire. Educated in Hollingbury Court, Sussex. Graduated from Newcastle University, Tyne and Wear. Doctorate from Lancaster University, Lancashire. Works in Southwark, South London.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
The reality is this case is just people competing to show how much they hate ISIS.
From a narrow political perspective, I think Javid missed a trick by saying he will bring her to justice. That might have reassured the Tory membership.
I guess it is too much to ask that politics be kept out of this stuff.
The long saga of Theresa May getting Abu Qatada 'on a plane' - remember that one?
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
I doubt whether Remain or Leave were important -- the desperate state of Labour-controlled Cardiff Council was probably much more relevant.
The Labour Group is embroiled in infighting. Council services are being cut. And the Council is putting up Council tax more than expected this year -- and is warning of future above inflation increases.
Some of this is common to all Councils of course, but Cardiff Council has been particularly dysfunctional.
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
Giles Frasier. Scourge of social and physical mobility. Born in Aldershot, Hampshire. Educated in Hollingbury Court, Sussex. Graduated from Newcastle University, Tyne and Wear. Doctorate from Lancaster University, Lancashire. Works in Southwark, South London.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
The quoting has gone weird so I can't work out whether viewcode or kinabalu said that, but *applauds*.
And you should post that to Twitter so we can retweet the hell* out of it.
*Obviously as a good liberal Anglican I don't really believe in hell, but I suspect enduring one of Giles Fraser's sermons is pretty close.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
So was this week - via an insignificant council by-election in Cardiff and the emergence of TIG - the first inklings of a wider shift in the polls? That the Remainer vote, however widely construed (and that may include "not that fussed about the EU but really a bit worried about 3,500 job losses in Swindon"), is finally moving away from Corbyn?
Which is the bigger force ?
The pull of the new continuity remain party or the push of the repellent Corbyn ?
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
It's to Leanne's credit that she's accepted the result and continued to campaign, although perhaps not quite as vigorously as previously. So far as I can see anyway.
There are parts of the article that I'd disagree with, although the premise that one should look after elderly parents is correct.
Giles Frasier. Scourge of social and physical mobility. Born in Aldershot, Hampshire. Educated in Hollingbury Court, Sussex. Graduated from Newcastle University, Tyne and Wear. Doctorate from Lancaster University, Lancashire. Works in Southwark, South London.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
What ? Not even his own ?
Rather depends if you would define him as an adult.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
So was this week - via an insignificant council by-election in Cardiff and the emergence of TIG - the first inklings of a wider shift in the polls? That the Remainer vote, however widely construed (and that may include "not that fussed about the EU but really a bit worried about 3,500 job losses in Swindon"), is finally moving away from Corbyn?
Labour on 26% and TIG on 14% in one poll this week might suggest it as might Plaid winning a Labour council seat in Remain voting Cardiff.
By ruling out EUref2 Corbyn risks Remainers going elsewhere
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
I sincerely doubt this particular estate voted Remain; one of the poorest, most working class in the region. I suspect the local politics here is actually more reminicent of what’s going on in the valleys.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
Out of interest, have you? Other than your own, of course.
My experience of care homes is that the racial fault-lines are at their most exposed.
There are lots of fluffy-haired, mainly white, sweet-looking old ladies with dementia and incontinence being cared for by young Philippinos, Kazaks, Lithuanians, Malays, Ukrainians, Afro-Carribeans and Indians.
There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Neither look likely to be fair - Boris because he's been "found out" and JRM doesn't want it enough.
When he gets kicked out of politics, Rees Mogg should acquire a cockney sidekick who calls him 'guvnor' and solve crimes.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
It's to Leanne's credit that she's accepted the result and continued to campaign, although perhaps not quite as vigorously as previously. So far as I can see anyway.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
Careful.
Leanne “Nice Voice” Wood has a large fan club on PB.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
Out of interest, have you? Other than your own, of course.
My experience of care homes is that the racial fault-lines are at their most exposed.
There are lots of fluffy-haired, mainly white, sweet-looking old ladies with dementia and incontinence being cared for by young Philippinos, Kazaks, Lithuanians, Malays, Ukrainians, Afro-Carribeans and Indians.
There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually.
When I was in that industry ten or so years ago there were generally some ethnic majority staff. I did once though come across a home where the front-line staff were almost, if not entirely, Kosovan.
Have just sent a Tweet to Keiran Pedley expressing surprise that the podcast failed to mention the hypothetical polls from March & April 1981 which showed the SDP on its own - without the Liberals - in the 25% - 30% range. Compared with those figures , the recent data is hardly exciting.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
Have just sent a Tweet to Keiran Pedley expressing surprise that the podcast failed to mention the hypothetical polls from March & April 1981 which showed the SDP on its own - without the Liberals - in the 25% - 30% range. Compared with those figures , the recent data is hardly exciting.
You think they should have matched them on the very first day?
What a huge mess this all is. A second referendum being talked about by Bradshaw ET AL will not solve anything. Its to be avoided at all costs. Suppose the second ref was to remain by 52/48.. What then?/ Chaos and a Country completely split. We have to leave on the best terms possible.. There is NO other workable option (I am a Remainer)
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
It's to Leanne's credit that she's accepted the result and continued to campaign, although perhaps not quite as vigorously as previously. So far as I can see anyway.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Neil NcEvoy deserves a lot of credit in hugely increasing Plaid Cymru's profile in Cardiff.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
Don't know much about McEvoy, but PC new leader Adam Price is very impressive, and a huge improvement on Leanne Wood, (which is admittedly not difficult).
Careful.
Leanne “Nice Voice” Wood has a large fan club on PB.
For sure. I would buy all her audio books, if she went into that line of work.
"There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually."
My wife spent the last fifteen years of her RGN career (up to 2013) working in local care homes and she wiped plenty of arses - of all colours. She's white, as were most of the staff. The nursing homes were in Huyton and St Helens.
It's possible Wales is different but don't generalise. I have every respect for all the staff because it's something I couldn't do. One thing my wife said is that the complainants among the visitors were generally those who only come once or twice a year. It's probably a guilt thing there.
I also respect the Sally Army for the work they do with the down-and-outs. Taking insults from drug-addled pissheads can't be fun. I give monthly to them with pleasure (the Sally Army, not the drop-outs).
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
What a huge mess this all is. A second referendum being talked about by Bradshaw ET AL will not solve anything. Its to be avoided at all costs. Suppose the second ref was to remain by 52/48.. What then?/ Chaos and a Country completely split. We have to leave on the best terms possible.. There is NO other workable option (I am a Remainer)
Sympathise. Leave as you say and get back in again when being a rule taker is demonstrably a Bad Idea.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
I don't see your position being much different -- you want to outsource the bottom wiping to others ("employing people who can help out elderly parents", which you envisage as coming from outside the UK, as you blather about freedom of movement).
In any case, wiping bottoms is not the only thing that needs to be done to look after elderly parents -- there are many things that ONLY family members will do. I gave a whole list of them below.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
From Gary Streeter MP: All it would take to settle things on our side is for the ERG leadership to stop playing Dad's Army and support the Deal. Then we could return to our united positive agenda. BUT they won't. So I and others in the mainstream are looking to the Letwin Bill as the way forward.
"There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually."
My wife spent the last fifteen years of her RGN career (up to 2013) working in local care homes and she wiped plenty of arses - of all colours. She's white, as were most of the staff. The nursing homes were in Huyton and St Helens.
It's possible Wales is different but don't generalise. I have every respect for all the staff because it's something I couldn't do. One thing my wife said is that the complainants among the visitors were generally those who only come once or twice a year. It's probably a guilt thing there.
I also respect the Sally Army for the work they do with the down-and-outs. Taking insults from drug-addled pissheads can't be fun. I give monthly to them with pleasure (the Sally Army, not the drop-outs).
My mother was not in a nursing home in Wales, she was in a number of homes in the South of England. The situation I described is accurate for all those homes.
I suspect Wales may be different, as well as the North of England.
What a huge mess this all is. A second referendum being talked about by Bradshaw ET AL will not solve anything. Its to be avoided at all costs. Suppose the second ref was to remain by 52/48.. What then?/ Chaos and a Country completely split. We have to leave on the best terms possible.. There is NO other workable option (I am a Remainer)
That's a circular argument: "Suppose the second referendum doesn't settle anything, then it won't have settled anything."
We have chaos and a country completely split now, so a course of action that offers the possibility of resolving it is better than a course of action that is certain not to.
re Welsh polls, there was a council by election in Ely (part of Cardiff) last night. Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
I doubt whether Remain or Leave were important -- the desperate state of Labour-controlled Cardiff Council was probably much more relevant.
The Labour Group is embroiled in infighting. Council services are being cut. And the Council is putting up Council tax more than expected this year -- and is warning of future above inflation increases.
Some of this is common to all Councils of course, but Cardiff Council has been particularly dysfunctional.
Yet a PB'er was telling us just yesterday that the ward was safe for Labour.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
Out of interest, have you? Other than your own, of course.
My experience of care homes is that the racial fault-lines are at their most exposed.
There are lots of fluffy-haired, mainly white, sweet-looking old ladies with dementia and incontinence being cared for by young Philippinos, Kazaks, Lithuanians, Malays, Ukrainians, Afro-Carribeans and Indians.
There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually.
When I was in that industry ten or so years ago there were generally some ethnic majority staff. I did once though come across a home where the front-line staff were almost, if not entirely, Kosovan.
The care home my mother in law was in (outskirts of London) had nearly entirely Afro Caribbean staffing although the (registered) nurse on duty that I spoke to was Ukrainian.
We looked at a care home in North Essex for my father yesterday and the staff were generally white uk nationals - well the ones we spoke to anyway.
Friend of my son and her mother both work in a care home in another part of Essex (white UK) - so I guess the picture is more nuanced than the picture painted above.
Saying that it is not a job I think I could do and hats off to whoever does it.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
Have just sent a Tweet to Keiran Pedley expressing surprise that the podcast failed to mention the hypothetical polls from March & April 1981 which showed the SDP on its own - without the Liberals - in the 25% - 30% range. Compared with those figures , the recent data is hardly exciting.
You think they should have matched them on the very first day?
The SDP enjoyed its greatest momentum at the time of its launch in late March 1981 with the Gang of Four touring the country and addressing huge crowds in overfilling halls. The SDP alone - in the hypothetical polls - was at over 30% in polls. It went off the boil somewhat by June but then received another boost following the Warrington by-election in July where Roy Jenkins did well. The Alliance with the Liberals was formed in the Autumn - 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' - at the Liberal Assembly. Two by election wins followed at Croydon NW & Crosby and by the end of the year the Alliance hit 50% in a Gallup poll. As a single entity ,however, the SDP was at its strongest in the early Spring of 1981 - doubtless due to novelty value in part.
Astonishing argument. Our freedom of movement - let's stress the word freedom - should be curtailed to prevent us from employing people who can help our elderly parents.
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
[Slaps head] Stupid me! Only daughters have the obligation to clear up after incontinent parents. The Rev Fraser is spared the indignity thanks to his Y chromosome and operates in a higher plane.
The one lesson you'd expect thinking Tories (yeah, Ok) to learn from Labour's travails is never to make Boris or JRM their leader. After all, the first batch of resignations are effectively pre-announced.
Boris or JRM as leader v Corbyn Labour would almost certainly see the TIGs in alliance with the LDs on about 20 to 25% as the SDP Liberal Alliance got in 1983 and 1987.
However as Thatcher showed then that need not prevent a right-wing Tory party winning a majority under FPTP
As usual you miss the point.
Your point being there could be more Tory resignations, my point being that does not rule out Boris or JRM winning under FPTP
The point being that the Tories would tear themselves apart - just as Labour is now - before the leader got anywhere near a GE.
What a huge mess this all is. A second referendum being talked about by Bradshaw ET AL will not solve anything. Its to be avoided at all costs. Suppose the second ref was to remain by 52/48.. What then?/ Chaos and a Country completely split. We have to leave on the best terms possible.. There is NO other workable option (I am a Remainer)
That's a circular argument: "Suppose the second referendum doesn't settle anything, then it won't have settled anything."
We have chaos and a country completely split now, so a course of action that offers the possibility of resolving it is better than a course of action that is certain not to.
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'Austin, the Angry Years'
Which on appearances would be all of the years.
If they don't like the colour of your stripes, you can't join.
FPTP was getting rather silly when it was Con/Lab/Lib-Dem/SNP/UKIP but now with Con and Lab splintering into different directions I think FPTP will soon be redundant.
One of his Austin Super-powers.
I have to look after my kids as they grow up from when they are babies. This is on the whole a pleasure. They are first of all helpless and cute, then not so helpless but still cute, then they develop and fill out, and this is interesting and fulfilling to be a part of, if sometimes a little worrying. But still, all in all, a great experience.
Then - the quid pro quo - they have to look after me when I've 'gone over'. I am increasingly helpless but most definitely NOT cute. I am wizened and not attractive to look at. I smell a bit off. My conversation has become rambling and repetitive. I get ill tempered over nothing. In extremis I can't remember names, I mix things up the whole time. All in all, looking after me is not such a pleasant experience.
I suppose it evens out if you extend it to a 3rd generation - so everybody gets a bash at each end, so to speak - but between any particular parent/child pairing the parent sort of wins and the child sort of loses.
anti-semites and
Tiggers and
stars and stripes
in there somewhere.....
However as Thatcher showed then that need not prevent a right-wing Tory party winning a majority under FPTP
I note Corbyn went to a prep school too, so maybe he is miffed about that !
I am not wedded to FPTP but I would strongly oppose anything that gave more power to the parties so any form of PR based on supposed party vote is something to be avoided at all costs
My belief has always been that we return a series of individuals to Parliament - and such a law would alter that relationship.
Could I see some form of recall mechanism? Perhaps. But mandatory by-elections for changing of party allegiance? No.
We did away with forced by-elections for MPs entering the Cabinet a long, long time ago.
The only change I want to see with regards to by-elections at this stage is to reduce the 1 year prison term down to any prison term - so that we don't have the outrage of what we are experiencing now. If you are elected to Parliament, you should be held to a higher standard and thus any prison term (whether suspended or not) leads to your permanent exclusion from any elected office in the UK. And I would extend that to those sitting in the House of Lords. A law maker who becomes a law breaker has no right to sit in Parliament or even a Parish Council.
So let the individual MP decide whether the feel a by-election is the appropriate response to the circumstances of their defection. In most cases, I agree that they probably should call for one - but not all.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shadow-chancellor-john-mcdonnell-exclusively-reveals-how-luciana-berger-was-let-down-by-labour-a4073906.html
From a narrow political perspective, I think Javid missed a trick by saying he will bring her to justice. That might have reassured the Tory membership.
I return to my belief that we should ban whipping. But I know that upsets all the party faithful out there.
In spite of the fact it has put Brexit at risk I have enjoyed seeing MPs act more as independents these past few months.
He is not barmy. He simply has no moral sense or sense of basic decency. A decent human being would have been concerned about what Luciana Berger, Ruth Smeeth, Margaret Hodge, Louise Ellmann faced and reached out to them and tried to help them. He would have shown some empathy and taken real action. Instead, he simply stated that he was against racism as if saying something is enough. And it isn’t. That’s why people are - rightly - fed up.
Plaid won the seat from Labour with 831 votes, 43% of the vote (+17%)
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/plaid-cymru-cardiff-ely-election-15869369
Old people without families are completely screwed.
There is no way that you can successfully navigate the NHS, Social Services, Council services, banks and tax authorities, if you have dementia or are in seriously failing health.
No one else will push these unwieldy organisations into getting you what you need, other than your family.
You may wish that were not the case. I may wish that were not the case. But, Giles Fraser is simply stating a fact.
Without family (not necessarily daughters), you should be really terrified of getting old.
In fact, McEvoy could become Wales' Alex Salmond, if Plaid Cymru stopped expelling him.
I don't know how this will play out, but I can see a second referendum is a possible scenario, albeit one fraught with its own difficulties.
Labour down 7%, LDs down 6%, Tories down 2%, without Tory and LD anti Labour protest votes Plaid would not have won given they only won by 3%.
Cardiff also voted Remain while Wales as a whole voted Leave so likely some Remainers switching to Plaid too
Corbyn has the same faults as May - crap leadership, crap presentation plus a cupboard full of skeletons and a coterie of skeleton makers.
And I will bet you all the money in my pocket, against all the money in yours, that he has never wiped an adult's arse in his life.
The long saga of Theresa May getting Abu Qatada 'on a plane' - remember that one?
The Labour Group is embroiled in infighting. Council services are being cut. And the Council is putting up Council tax more than expected this year -- and is warning of future above inflation increases.
Some of this is common to all Councils of course, but Cardiff Council has been particularly dysfunctional.
And you should post that to Twitter so we can retweet the hell* out of it.
*Obviously as a good liberal Anglican I don't really believe in hell, but I suspect enduring one of Giles Fraser's sermons is pretty close.
The pull of the new continuity remain party or the push of the repellent Corbyn ?
So far as I can see anyway.
By ruling out EUref2 Corbyn risks Remainers going elsewhere
Although none of my business, I kind of wonder if Giles Fraser cleans up after his parents on day by day, hour by hour, basis that would give him the moral authority to pontificate on how the rest of us look after our families.
My experience of care homes is that the racial fault-lines are at their most exposed.
There are lots of fluffy-haired, mainly white, sweet-looking old ladies with dementia and incontinence being cared for by young Philippinos, Kazaks, Lithuanians, Malays, Ukrainians, Afro-Carribeans and Indians.
There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually.
CON: 51.3% (-14.1)
LDEM: 35.1% (+24.6)
LAB: 11.1% (-12.9)
UKIP: 2.5% (+2.5)
Given the mess that the Tories are in the that County Council I'm a little surprised that the swing wasn't greater.
Leanne “Nice Voice” Wood has a large fan club on PB.
I did once though come across a home where the front-line staff were almost, if not entirely, Kosovan.
"There are no white Britons amongst the care home staff, usually."
My wife spent the last fifteen years of her RGN career (up to 2013) working in local care homes and she wiped plenty of arses - of all colours. She's white, as were most of the staff. The nursing homes were in Huyton and St Helens.
It's possible Wales is different but don't generalise. I have every respect for all the staff because it's something I couldn't do. One thing my wife said is that the complainants among the visitors were generally those who only come once or twice a year. It's probably a guilt thing there.
I also respect the Sally Army for the work they do with the down-and-outs. Taking insults from drug-addled pissheads can't be fun. I give monthly to them with pleasure (the Sally Army, not the drop-outs).
And I did say yesterday that PC would give Labour a run for their money in Cardiff.
https://order-order.com/2019/02/22/university-essex-suspend-staff-member-anti-semitism-allegations-labour-candidate-apologises/
In any case, wiping bottoms is not the only thing that needs to be done to look after elderly parents -- there are many things that ONLY family members will do. I gave a whole list of them below.
Also look at the other by-election yesterday, in Cardiff. Labour loss.
I suspect Wales may be different, as well as the North of England.
We have chaos and a country completely split now, so a course of action that offers the possibility of resolving it is better than a course of action that is certain not to.
We looked at a care home in North Essex for my father yesterday and the staff were generally white uk nationals - well the ones we spoke to anyway.
Friend of my son and her mother both work in a care home in another part of Essex (white UK) - so I guess the picture is more nuanced than the picture painted above.
Saying that it is not a job I think I could do and hats off to whoever does it.
How will it settle it..
- lay Corbyn as PM after May at 7.8
- lay a no deal exit on 29/3 at 5.0 (out from 4.4 just a few hours ago)