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I must admit that I cannot see either 76 year old Joe Biden or 77 Bernie winning the nomination in eighteen months time. The former has yet to decide while Bernie, who ran Hillary close at WH2016, announced today that he’s going for it.
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First. Probably unlike the Bern.0
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Bern baby Bern.0
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Not quite the same thing, but didn't Gove and some other Cabinet Members say similar 'thinking about it' or 'no comment' kind of things when speculation was rife they were going to resign.Recidivist said:
Can't help thinking that you can't really say this kind of thing in public if you haven't already made up your mind to go.rottenborough said:0 -
I think it is going a bit far to call it a disgrace if it is a power that has been exercised in such a manner for nearly 4 decades - if it was so much a disgrace to have the power I'd think at least one government in that time would have gotten rid of it._Anazina_ said:
Even if it is within the law, it’s wrong. If she only had single citizenship (a la Ian Brady etc) we would have to handle the case here, quite rightly. Javid is a disgrace. Just playing to the gallery I’m afraid.nico67 said:
Exactly . It’s not for the public to force actions outside of the law . If Javid is acting within the law that’s fine but if he’s trying to ingratiate himself to the Tory party membership by acting outside of that then that is completely unacceptable._Anazina_ said:
Trial by the mob.Tykejohnno said:
Not just PB,the majority in the country if you go by comments and probably polls._Anazina_ said:
Well quite. She is a British citizen so should be tried (and punished, if convicted) here - the rest is utter reactionary tabloid crap. I’m saddened that so many on PB seem to think it right.DeClare said:
Anyone know what would have happened to a woman who ran away to Germany in 1938 because she admired Hitler.kle4 said:
The 'dim.AndyJS said:
I don't think it depends. She chose to fight against her own country and has no regrets about it.kle4 said:
That eless.Philip_Thompson said:
Good!Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reports the IS bride is to be stripped of her British nationality
Married an SS man who was employed at say Treblinka came back to Britain with a baby after her husband had been captured in 1945.
Said in an interview that she still thought that the Nazis were right and that their victims deserved it?
(I know that any Briton who actually took part in the Holocaust would have probably been hanged but what about the wives of such people?)
To my point.
Whether it was appropriate in the circumstances or not is a different, more complicated question, and given that complexity I don't think it fair to call the decision a disgrace, nor to call a disgrace anyone taking an alternate view.0 -
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I don’t think it’s just Blair’s name that’s the problem. There quite a few beliefs among those who themselves centrists - e.g. support for academies and free schools, or foreign interventionism - that don’t seem to be that much popular among the public.IanB2 said:
Faced with the ERG and the Corbynistas, some calm rational and competent politics is very much in demand. Just so long as you don't attach Blair's name to it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t see that much evidence that ‘Blairism’ is that much in demand amongst the public.
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TIGs can only get better?0 -
Goodbye many other defectorsFoxy said:
Flavible calculates a bit differently.Andy_Cooke said:
Baxter has a Labour Split option; putting TIG votes in there gives:MarqueeMark said:
Not sure how you Baxter that, but it must be carnage for Labour?Scott_P said:
Con 317
Lab 208
SNP 50
LD 27
TIG 26
... which does seem optimistic for the Tiggers to me.
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Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.0 -
It would be easier to list those that aren’t standing for POTUS...0
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NCP? Isn’t that the car park company?kle4 said:Goodbye many other defectors
Foxy said:
Flavible calculates a bit differently.Andy_Cooke said:
Baxter has a Labour Split option; putting TIG votes in there gives:MarqueeMark said:
Not sure how you Baxter that, but it must be carnage for Labour?Scott_P said:
Con 317
Lab 208
SNP 50
LD 27
TIG 26
... which does seem optimistic for the Tiggers to me.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1097925600000520192?s=19
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Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.0
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Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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No, Number Cruncher Politics.RobD said:
NCP? Isn’t that the car park company?kle4 said:Goodbye many other defectors
Foxy said:
Flavible calculates a bit differently.Andy_Cooke said:
Baxter has a Labour Split option; putting TIG votes in there gives:MarqueeMark said:
Not sure how you Baxter that, but it must be carnage for Labour?Scott_P said:
Con 317
Lab 208
SNP 50
LD 27
TIG 26
... which does seem optimistic for the Tiggers to me.
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I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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My head says "New Centrist Party", but my heart is firmly set on "Nice but Counter Productive".RobD said:
NCP? Isn’t that the car park company?kle4 said:Goodbye many other defectors
Foxy said:
Flavible calculates a bit differently.Andy_Cooke said:
Baxter has a Labour Split option; putting TIG votes in there gives:MarqueeMark said:
Not sure how you Baxter that, but it must be carnage for Labour?Scott_P said:
Con 317
Lab 208
SNP 50
LD 27
TIG 26
... which does seem optimistic for the Tiggers to me.
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I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.0 -
Compare Javid to the leader of the opposition who helped get an Isis fund raiser out of jail....for
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I agree, it’ll be popular. But my Tory base comment was more in reference to his leadership ambitions. But as I said, given that he’s a Ayn Rand guy he’s probably quite right wing anyway.AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
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I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
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So she can mooch off our benefits system and live a life of luxury whilst showing absolutely no remorse for her actions and being a danger to the public. She's an actual traitor and the fact that we have a way to ensure she can't return it needs to be used.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
Hopefully Javid gives Trump permission to accidentally dump all the British jihadis caught by our allies in the ocean on the way back.
There is nothing to be gained by letting any of them back in the country. These are people who pushed gay people off buildings, stoned women to death and sold thousands of women and girls into a life of sexual slavery. There is no redemption. They do not deserve a chance of it.
I'm honestly surprised that so many on the left are getting upset about this.0 -
kle4 said:
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.
They've been doing this for something like 12-15 years with Isis/Al Qaeda "volunteers", whenever it's possible because of dual citizenship. I don't know how many, but it's certainly in the many dozens.
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She also has Bangladeshi citizenship.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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Indeed. Next time he's abroad revoke Piers Morgan's citizenship. That should be worth a percent or two.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.0 -
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
Is anyone able to post on here via iPad and if so, which browser do you use? I can browse but can't seem to post properly (currently on desktop).0 -
That’s what worries me about this - once the precedent is set, how will it be used in the future? It’s better for her to come back here and for her to be in HM Prison under our watch then establish this precedent.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.
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Any crimes she committed were in Iraq or Syria. I'm entirely happy for her to face justice in their courts.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.0 -
Over 100 according to the BBC...Andrew said:kle4 said:
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.
They've been doing this for something like 12-15 years with Isis/Al Qaeda "volunteers", whenever it's possible because of dual citizenship. I don't know how many, but it's certainly in the many dozens.0 -
The Sky poll isn't a voodoo poll, it is a proper poll by a pollster that is a BPC member.0
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I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.0 -
Yes, the login seems to be sticking. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
Is anyone able to post on here via iPad and if so, which browser do you use? I can browse but can't seem to post properly (currently on desktop).0 -
As far as Dianne Abbott's potential powers over who is and isn't a UK citizen go, I'm vastly more concerned about the former than the latter.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.0 -
Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw wot moved to Yorkshire?TheScreamingEagles said:The Sky poll isn't a voodoo poll, it is a proper poll by a pollster that is a BPC member.
He became a Proper Pole!0 -
Owen Smith High
Peter Kyle High
Ian Murray High
Ruth Smeeth Medium
Alison McGovern Medium
Ian Austin Medium
Siobhain McDonagh Medium
Joan Ryan Low
Liz Kendall Low
Stephen Kinnock Low
Siobhain McDonagh Low
Wes Streeting Low
Neil Coyle Low
Stephen Twigg Low
Emma Reynolds Low
Toby Perkins Low
Ben Bradshaw Low
According to Guido.
I reckon Kyle Hodge Murray Austin Ryan are more or less certain to go
I think Smith Kendall Bradshaw Perkins will stay.0 -
The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
We have better things to spend the authorities money on than looking after this evil woman for the rest of her life. She made her choice freely, good riddance and goodbye.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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They do only poll Sky customers though, so it might not be fully representative.TheScreamingEagles said:The Sky poll isn't a voodoo poll, it is a proper poll by a pollster that is a BPC member.
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I have to say, I thought Liverpool would be playing better than this vs Bayern.0
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Except it is not setting a precedent if this power has been in existence for decades, it is not establishing the power in anyway it already exists. Any precedents already exist, and it seems to be something decided on a case by case basis.The_Apocalypse said:
That’s what worries me about this - once the precedent is set, how will it be used in the future? It’s better for her to come back here and for her to be in HM Prison under our watch then establish this precedent.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.
It doesn't make me less wary, or thinking it should be bandied about easily or indiscriminately, but I do think the idea the fact of the power is a disgrace or even that the decision in this case is a disgrace does not hold up since it must have happened before many times and I don't recall this level of outrage.
But it seems entirely unfair to suggest anyone disagreeing with the decision is supportive of terrorists.0 -
They've been a bit off since the beginning of January to be honest, even if in the league it has only seen a few chokes and no losses but to City. They seem to have lost a bit of their edge in front of goal, and their defence has reverted to the nervous, jumpy defence of the last few seasons.The_Apocalypse said:I have to say, I thought Liverpool would be playing better than this vs Bayern.
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It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it. If that is the case, it means millions are potentially affected by this.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
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It's a cookie settings thing. By default, Apple's browsers prevent third-party code (e.g. Vanilla) embedded on other sites (politicalbetting.com) from setting cookies. If you go straight to Vanilla then the issue doesn't arise.Freggles said:
Yes, the login seems to be sticking. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
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Chrome works via the main site for me too.Freggles said:
Yes, the login seems to be sticking. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
Is anyone able to post on here via iPad and if so, which browser do you use? I can browse but can't seem to post properly (currently on desktop).
Using Vanilla forums is just weird.0 -
I don'tThe_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
Probably the most popular decision a politician has made in many a year.0 -
A separate angle on Miss ISIS 2019: given that we would probably have to have taken her child away from her on arrival (to prevent her radicalising him), is the child better off being with his mother in Bangladesh (or wherever), or in care in the UK? Should this be/have been a consideration in the decision whether to revoke her nationality? Was she aware that this would probably have been a precondition were she to have been allowed back?0
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Except it is not setting a precedent, as kle4 just said.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it. If that is the case, it means millions are potentially affected by this.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.0 -
I use my iPad regularly to post here. It's an up and down experience. Sometimes (for days af a time) everything works fine with Chrome and the normal website. Sometimes (for days at a time) I repetedly get logged out and the only way to log back in is to reset my password. At other times the comments don't show and I have to go into Vanilla Forums to contribute.TheScreamingEagles said:
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
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The_Apocalypse said:
That’s what worries me about this - once the precedent is set, how will it be used in the future? It’s better for her to come back here and for her to be in HM Prison under our watch then establish this precedent.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.
The precedent was set long ago. If it's lawful to leave her in Syria, we should do so.The_Apocalypse said:
That’s what worries me about this - once the precedent is set, how will it be used in the future? It’s better for her to come back here and for her to be in HM Prison under our watch then establish this precedent.kle4 said:
I'm fine with her facing the authorities somewhere else. But I do hope that the power Home Secretaries have has some very set criteria that have been developed over the years to ensure it is not an easy decision to get positive headlines.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
And I imagine it will be very popular. That doesn't automatically make a decision right, but I very much doubt only Tories will approve.0 -
True, they kept on drawing vs teams they’ve should have won against. I really did think in December they’d win the league but now I think it’s likely City will do it. Bayern have been poor in the Bundesliga this season and aren’t what they were so I thought Liverpool would do better against them.kle4 said:
They've been a bit off since the beginning of January to be honest, even if in the league it has only seen a few chokes and no losses but to City. They seem to have lost a bit of their edge in front of goal, and their defence has reverted to the nervous, jumpy defence of the last few seasons.The_Apocalypse said:I have to say, I thought Liverpool would be playing better than this vs Bayern.
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roughly two thirds of the country are the tory base?The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.
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I admire your faith in politicians. I am not sure recent experience justifies it, but there you go.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except it is not setting a precedent, as kle4 just said.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it. If that is the case, it means millions are potentially affected by this.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
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It’s also the first time I’ve heard of this power as well. I didn’t know it had been used before. Wow....SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it. If that is the case, it means millions are potentially affected by this.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.0 -
Forgot Corbyn, Brexit and other nasty politics. Watch this, switch off a five the one you love a hug.
https://twitter.com/disneypixar/status/1096061508017156096?s=21
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Even though Liverpool have only lost one, and City four, when you see City play they look so much better than anyone else. Liverpool really are reliant on them having another few off days while they scrape through despite being technically worse, a bit like Leicester to Tottenham a few years back.The_Apocalypse said:
True, they kept on drawing vs teams they’ve should have won against. I really did think in December they’d win the league but now I think it’s likely City will do it. Bayern have been poor in the Bundesliga this season and aren’t what they were so I thought Liverpool would do better against them.kle4 said:
They've been a bit off since the beginning of January to be honest, even if in the league it has only seen a few chokes and no losses but to City. They seem to have lost a bit of their edge in front of goal, and their defence has reverted to the nervous, jumpy defence of the last few seasons.The_Apocalypse said:I have to say, I thought Liverpool would be playing better than this vs Bayern.
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See my comments after that post.Floater said:
roughly two thirds of the country are the tory base?The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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Owen Smith can't possibly be in the mix. They'd have to turn him away.bigjohnowls said:Owen Smith High
Peter Kyle High
Ian Murray High
Ruth Smeeth Medium
Alison McGovern Medium
Ian Austin Medium
Siobhain McDonagh Medium
Joan Ryan Low
Liz Kendall Low
Stephen Kinnock Low
Siobhain McDonagh Low
Wes Streeting Low
Neil Coyle Low
Stephen Twigg Low
Emma Reynolds Low
Toby Perkins Low
Ben Bradshaw Low
According to Guido.
I reckon Kyle Hodge Murray Austin Ryan are more or less certain to go
I think Smith Kendall Bradshaw Perkins will stay.0 -
ICBW but I thought the power to strip British citizenship so long as doing so does not cause statelessness was first enacted in 2006. Previously, up until the early 20th century it was taken as an axiom of customary international law that a woman marrying a man of another nationality automatically gained his citizenship and lost her birth citizenship on marriage, but with women’s emancipation this has long fallen into desuetude.kle4 said:I think it is going a bit far to call it a disgrace if it is a power that has been exercised in such a manner for nearly 4 decades - if it was so much a disgrace to have the power I'd think at least one government in that time would have gotten rid of it.
Whether it was appropriate in the circumstances or not is a different, more complicated question, and given that complexity I don't think it fair to call the decision a disgrace, nor to call a disgrace anyone taking an alternate view.
BTW, any British citizen born in Northern Ireland or with a parent born anywhere in Ireland is automatically[1] a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and so could be deprived of their British citizenship by fiat of the Home Secretary.
[1] Irish nationality law changed in the early 2000s tor abolish automatic jus soli if neither parent was lawfully resident in Ireland, but it’s unlikely very many people born in Ireland without Irish citizenship have had children yet.0 -
You seem to have forgotten that the LibDems were almost alone in opposing Iraq. And foreign intervention is out of fashion, now, and won't be an issue with the diminished status we are heading for. Is anyone proposing actually to abolish academy or free schools?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
I don’t think it’s just Blair’s name that’s the problem. There quite a few beliefs among those who themselves centrists - e.g. support for academies and free schools, or foreign interventionism - that don’t seem to be that much popular among the public.IanB2 said:
Faced with the ERG and the Corbynistas, some calm rational and competent politics is very much in demand. Just so long as you don't attach Blair's name to it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t see that much evidence that ‘Blairism’ is that much in demand amongst the public.
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She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.
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Strange. I use iPad and Chrome on the normal website. I have never experienced such problems.IanB2 said:
I use my iPad regularly to post here. It's an up and down experience. Sometimes (for days af a time) everything works fine with Chrome and the normal website. Sometimes (for days at a time) I repetedly get logged out and the only way to log back in is to reset my password. At other times the comments don't show and I have to go into Vanilla Forums to contribute.TheScreamingEagles said:
Chrome, via the vanilla forums.Freggles said:I've asked this before but don't remember getting an answer, apols if I'm mistaken.
Is anyone able to post on here via iPad and if so, which browser do you use? I can browse but can't seem to post properly (currently on desktop).0 -
Oh right, Sanders.
Yesterday's man.0 -
Corbyn McDonnell Cook Ken ClarkeIanB2 said:
You seem to have forgotten that the LibDems were almost alone in opposing Iraq. And foreign intervention is out of fashion, now, and won't be an issue with the diminished status we are heading for. Is anyone proposing actually to abolish academy or free schools?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
I don’t think it’s just Blair’s name that’s the problem. There quite a few beliefs among those who themselves centrists - e.g. support for academies and free schools, or foreign interventionism - that don’t seem to be that much popular among the public.IanB2 said:
Faced with the ERG and the Corbynistas, some calm rational and competent politics is very much in demand. Just so long as you don't attach Blair's name to it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t see that much evidence that ‘Blairism’ is that much in demand amongst the public.
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Streeting has tied himself to Labour - career before principle, despite his stand against anti-semitism - and he won't jump until it is obvious Labour is sinking.Omnium said:
Owen Smith can't possibly be in the mix. They'd have to turn him away.bigjohnowls said:Owen Smith High
Peter Kyle High
Ian Murray High
Ruth Smeeth Medium
Alison McGovern Medium
Ian Austin Medium
Siobhain McDonagh Medium
Joan Ryan Low
Liz Kendall Low
Stephen Kinnock Low
Siobhain McDonagh Low
Wes Streeting Low
Neil Coyle Low
Stephen Twigg Low
Emma Reynolds Low
Toby Perkins Low
Ben Bradshaw Low
According to Guido.
I reckon Kyle Hodge Murray Austin Ryan are more or less certain to go
I think Smith Kendall Bradshaw Perkins will stay.
Kendall would be wise to think seriously about jumping early - she is one of the few that could claim leadership of the whole thing.0 -
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Short of publicly announcing that you have been roaming the streets to kill blacks (vide Liam Neeson), joining TIG is the next best guaranteed way to end your career.bigjohnowls said:Owen Smith High
Peter Kyle High
Ian Murray High
Ruth Smeeth Medium
Alison McGovern Medium
Ian Austin Medium
Siobhain McDonagh Medium
Joan Ryan Low
Liz Kendall Low
Stephen Kinnock Low
Siobhain McDonagh Low
Wes Streeting Low
Neil Coyle Low
Stephen Twigg Low
Emma Reynolds Low
Toby Perkins Low
Ben Bradshaw Low
According to Guido.
I reckon Kyle Hodge Murray Austin Ryan are more or less certain to go
I think Smith Kendall Bradshaw Perkins will stay.
The careerists like Owen Smith & Stephen Kinnock will all stay. They are just putting down markers for a few years time, when the pendulum swings back (as it always does).
The only people who will go are (i) those who are likely to lose their seats anyhow because they will be deselected or because their majority is very slender, (ii) those who were planning to retire anyhow and (iii) those who mistakenly believe they are charismatic and have a huge personal vote.
My guess is all of the 7 Tiggers will lose their seats. If they really thought they would retain them, they would fight by-elections now.
It is telling that the UKIP defectors, Reckless and Carswell, correctly resigned and fought by elections.
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But if the Syrian Govt said we want her to face justice for being a member of ISIS in our courts, then the lefties would be up in outrage about nasty Assad, no human rights in prison, etc.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.0 -
I'm cuddling my baby daughter.Jonathan said:Forgot Corbyn, Brexit and other nasty politics. Watch this, switch off a five the one you love a hug.
https://twitter.com/disneypixar/status/1096061508017156096?s=21
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Of course, there were rebels. Only the LibDems (and some other smaller parties) opposed Iraq en masse. The OP may have had a point in associating moderate Labourism with Iraq (although very many Iraq-supporters remain within Labour) but was wrong to try and tie this to centrism. Not least because the Tories were almost all cheerleaders.bigjohnowls said:
Corbyn McDonnell Cook Ken ClarkeIanB2 said:
You seem to have forgotten that the LibDems were almost alone in opposing Iraq. And foreign intervention is out of fashion, now, and won't be an issue with the diminished status we are heading for. Is anyone proposing actually to abolish academy or free schools?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
I don’t think it’s just Blair’s name that’s the problem. There quite a few beliefs among those who themselves centrists - e.g. support for academies and free schools, or foreign interventionism - that don’t seem to be that much popular among the public.IanB2 said:
Faced with the ERG and the Corbynistas, some calm rational and competent politics is very much in demand. Just so long as you don't attach Blair's name to it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t see that much evidence that ‘Blairism’ is that much in demand amongst the public.
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I quite like his new Chicken coatingkle4 said:Oh right, Sanders.
Yesterday's man.0 -
My point was, what many self declared centrists see as ‘sensible’ and ‘rational’ are not neccessarily what the public see as those things. I used foreign interventionism and education policy as examples.IanB2 said:
You seem to have forgotten that the LibDems were almost alone in opposing Iraq. And foreign intervention is out of fashion, now, and won't be an issue with the diminished status we are heading for. Is anyone proposing actually to abolish academy or free schools?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
I don’t think it’s just Blair’s name that’s the problem. There quite a few beliefs among those who themselves centrists - e.g. support for academies and free schools, or foreign interventionism - that don’t seem to be that much popular among the public.IanB2 said:
Faced with the ERG and the Corbynistas, some calm rational and competent politics is very much in demand. Just so long as you don't attach Blair's name to it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t see that much evidence that ‘Blairism’ is that much in demand amongst the public.
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So what?ralphmalph said:
But if the Syrian Govt said we want her to face justice for being a member of ISIS in our courts, then the lefties would be up in outrage about nasty Assad, no human rights in prison, etc.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.
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And if they were honest, the other 30-40% wouldn't want her as a neighbour......AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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I'm not surprised at all. The New Left is obsessed with the culpability of the West (and especially the US, UK and Israel) for all the evils of the world, and with the manifest righteousness of all the most uncompromising and extreme anti-Western Islamists, on the basis that my enemy's enemy is my friend.MaxPB said:
So she can mooch off our benefits system and live a life of luxury whilst showing absolutely no remorse for her actions and being a danger to the public. She's an actual traitor and the fact that we have a way to ensure she can't return it needs to be used.The_Apocalypse said:
I want her to come back here and face British authorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Surprised to see you defending an IS member.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
Hopefully Javid gives Trump permission to accidentally dump all the British jihadis caught by our allies in the ocean on the way back.
There is nothing to be gained by letting any of them back in the country. These are people who pushed gay people off buildings, stoned women to death and sold thousands of women and girls into a life of sexual slavery. There is no redemption. They do not deserve a chance of it.
I'm honestly surprised that so many on the left are getting upset about this.
It's why they love Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian theocracy so very, very much. I doubt whether one in ten of them give a flying wotsit about gay people being strung up from cranes or thrown off tall buildings, and those who do don't like talking about it very much since (a) a few dead gays is irrelevant compared to the fight to destroy liberal democracy, and (b) it prompts the inevitable reminder that their sainted leader was more than happy to pocket the Ayatollahs' blood money to present a chat show on their propaganda mouthpiece (a TV station so crooked that it was banned from the airwaves by Ofcom, a fate avoided even by Russia Today.)
Thank you for posting this remark. Whilst it is frustrating that one has no power to influence the situation, it probably does no harm to be reminded of why the contemporary Labour Party is toxic radioactive filth and why we should, therefore, fervently hope that it never manages to lay a hand on the levers of power again.0 -
No, she made herself.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
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I hope you're not suggesting her Muslim upbringing has anything to do with all this.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.0 -
I have no time for Begum whatsoever, but if you give politicians the right to take away citizenship do not imagine they will always use it in ways you agree with.MarqueeMark said:
And if they were honest, the other 30-40% wouldn't want her as a neighbour......AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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I have no time for Begum whatsoever, but if you give politicians the right to take away citizenship do not imagine they will always use it in ways you agree with.MarqueeMark said:
And if they were honest, the other 30-40% wouldn't want her as a neighbour......AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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She was clearly made in London.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.
We have to listen to endless trumpeting on pb about how much we are all indebted to London and its many wonders.
We have had lectures from preening Londoners about how Londoners are not born, but are made. They are made strong and bold in the glistening furnace of London.
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EU sources expressed frustration that they were having to “re-educate” Cox, who is new to the talks, about the lack of realism in the central demands made by May.
That irritation has been shared in Berlin. Michael Roth, Germany’s minister for Europe, said new “realistic suggestions” were needed from Downing Street to allow the negotiations to progress.
“There is no point in abstractly demanding changes or to make demands, which are completely unacceptable for us,” Roth said. “There can be no limit to the backstop, there can’t be an automatic expiration of the backstop.
“Right now I do not see the necessary willingness to budge on the part of the British and this doesn’t make things easier because time is running out.”
EU sources said Barnier and his deputy, Sabine Weyand, had been “forensic” in their dismantling of the Malthouse compromise on Monday. Barnier told Barclay that suspending EU law on the border was not a viable solution to the problem. Weyand later privately lamented that the EU was having to repeat arguments to Cox first made in August 2017.0 -
No, it's Britain, France, German and other cultures of Europe that are the cause. Not the ideology of hatred of other religions and kaffar...tlg86 said:
I hope you're not suggesting her Muslim upbringing has anything to do with all this.SouthamObserver said:
She was clearly made in Britain. We should take responsibility for her if she is not tried for any crimes she commited while abroad.kle4 said:
That was the line that jumped out in BBC story for me. 'She is believed to be of Bangladeshi heritage but when asked by the BBC, she said did not have a Bangladesh passport and had never been to the country'. Seems like that really needs looking into since you cannot do this based on assumptions.SouthamObserver said:
It is and I’m genuinely shocked. It seems she may not have Bangladeshi citizenship, just the potential right to claim it.kle4 said:
I'm not surprised people are wary of a politician having this power, however awful the person it is used on. I'm surprised that you are acting like this is the first you have heard of this power.SouthamObserver said:
Why is it defending terrorists to believe a politician should not have the right to revoke someone’s British citizenship? If you’re fine with Dianne Abbott or another far left Labour Home Secretary potentially having the power to revoke the UK citizenship of people they consider dangerous, fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.MaxPB said:
Lol, look at all of you defending the terrorists. It's bloody brilliant that she can't come back to this country. Javid has played a blinder here.kinabalu said:Too old. Somebody should have a word.
Somebody should also have a word with the increasingly risible Sajid Javed.
Although as we've seen from the dual citizenship troubles in Australian politics in the last few years, turns out you can hold citizenship of other nations without even realising it in some instances, depending on what the law is with the other nation.
Can't imagine Bangladesh would be happy with being dumped with the woman though.0 -
To be in the future relationship not the WA. Which will take till a meteor hits the planet to sort out !Scott_P said:
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Boohoo to them. They were so bloody pleased at beating us in the negotiations to the point they never cared if it did be agreed or not (And no, May saying it would is not convincing, they are not dumb enough to think it would go through just because May said so)IanB2 said:EU sources expressed frustration that they were having to “re-educate” Cox, who is new to the talks, about the lack of realism in the central demands made by May.
That irritation has been shared in Berlin. Michael Roth, Germany’s minister for Europe, said new “realistic suggestions” were needed from Downing Street to allow the negotiations to progress.
“There is no point in abstractly demanding changes or to make demands, which are completely unacceptable for us,” Roth said. “There can be no limit to the backstop, there can’t be an automatic expiration of the backstop.
“Right now I do not see the necessary willingness to budge on the part of the British and this doesn’t make things easier because time is running out.”
EU sources said Barnier and his deputy, Sabine Weyand, had been “forensic” in their dismantling of the Malthouse compromise on Monday. Barnier told Barclay that suspending EU law on the border was not a viable solution to the problem. Weyand later privately lamented that the EU was having to repeat arguments to Cox first made in August 2017.0 -
@KateEMcCann: NEW: Just had a chat with Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay who confirmed the UK WILL take new legal proposals out to EU tomorrow, prepared by the Att Gen Geoffrey Cox. Also confirmed Malthouse Compromise alt arrangements will form part of future relationship discussions only.0
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As I said on the previous thread, in my view stripping people of citizenship - which is only possible for dual citizens - creates two classes of British citizen (permanent and contingent) and so aids those who wish to sow division. But certainly, allowing a politician to wield this power over people convicted of no crime without any kind of effective judicial oversight is insane. It is a power that is asking to be abused; I would be surprised if it hasn't been yet and I am certain that it will be in the future.SouthamObserver said:
I have no time for Begum whatsoever, but if you give politicians the right to take away citizenship do not imagine they will always use it in ways you agree with.MarqueeMark said:
And if they were honest, the other 30-40% wouldn't want her as a neighbour......AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
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You could write that the other way round. We are tired of explaining why the numptees keep insisting on the same undeliverable WA.IanB2 said:EU sources expressed frustration that they were having to “re-educate” Cox, who is new to the talks, about the lack of realism in the central demands made by May.
That irritation has been shared in Berlin. Michael Roth, Germany’s minister for Europe, said new “realistic suggestions” were needed from Downing Street to allow the negotiations to progress.
“There is no point in abstractly demanding changes or to make demands, which are completely unacceptable for us,” Roth said. “There can be no limit to the backstop, there can’t be an automatic expiration of the backstop.
“Right now I do not see the necessary willingness to budge on the part of the British and this doesn’t make things easier because time is running out.”
EU sources said Barnier and his deputy, Sabine Weyand, had been “forensic” in their dismantling of the Malthouse compromise on Monday. Barnier told Barclay that suspending EU law on the border was not a viable solution to the problem. Weyand later privately lamented that the EU was having to repeat arguments to Cox first made in August 2017.
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Plan R is the same as Plan Q. There is no alternative...Scott_P said:
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Quite - if only they were as good at parliamentary arithmetic as they are at leaking after talks...kle4 said:
Boohoo to them. They were so bloody pleased at beating us in the negotiations to the point they never cared if it did be agreed or not (And no, May saying it would is not convincing, they are not dumb enough to think it would go through just because May said so)IanB2 said:EU sources expressed frustration that they were having to “re-educate” Cox, who is new to the talks, about the lack of realism in the central demands made by May.
That irritation has been shared in Berlin. Michael Roth, Germany’s minister for Europe, said new “realistic suggestions” were needed from Downing Street to allow the negotiations to progress.
“There is no point in abstractly demanding changes or to make demands, which are completely unacceptable for us,” Roth said. “There can be no limit to the backstop, there can’t be an automatic expiration of the backstop.
“Right now I do not see the necessary willingness to budge on the part of the British and this doesn’t make things easier because time is running out.”
EU sources said Barnier and his deputy, Sabine Weyand, had been “forensic” in their dismantling of the Malthouse compromise on Monday. Barnier told Barclay that suspending EU law on the border was not a viable solution to the problem. Weyand later privately lamented that the EU was having to repeat arguments to Cox first made in August 2017.0 -
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But the opposite to your argument is true as well. People being allowed dual citizenship creates two classes of citizens and sows division.OnlyLivingBoy said:
As I said on the previous thread, in my view stripping people of citizenship - which is only possible for dual citizens - creates two classes of British citizen (permanent and contingent) and so aids those who wish to sow division. But certainly, allowing a politician to wield this power over people convicted of no crime without any kind of effective judicial oversight is insane. It is a power that is asking to be abused; I would be surprised if it hasn't been yet and I am certain that it will be in the future.SouthamObserver said:
I have no time for Begum whatsoever, but if you give politicians the right to take away citizenship do not imagine they will always use it in ways you agree with.MarqueeMark said:
And if they were honest, the other 30-40% wouldn't want her as a neighbour......AndyJS said:
The polls will probably show at least 60-70% of people agreeing with this decision. That isn't the Tory base.The_Apocalypse said:Javid is simply desperate to appeal to the Tory base. Then again, he is a guy who likes Ayn Rand so this is probably just where he’s at politically.
I have read here multiple times, not from you I hasten to add, from dual citizens that they will use their non-British citizenship to gain some advantage that sole British citizens would not be eligible for. Usually accompanied by the sucker emoji.
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I was expecting the EU to be really positive as usual.Scott_P said:0
