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The TIG haven't said what they will or won't do on a range of issues. Will they back May's WDA or simply abstain? I'm sure they will back a Second Vote but there simply aren't the votes for that in the Commons at this time.
We can imagine they'll be opposed to a No Deal but that's meaningless as No Deal can only be stopped by either voting for the WDA or revocation (or of course kicking the can down the road via an extension).
As for a VONC, why assume they wouldn't support such a vote? The LDs and SNP backed Corbyn last time though Vince did suggest support for a second try couldn't be guaranteed. The TIG can decide for themselves but a more Machiavellian thought might be that somehow triggering a GE (and a VoNC doesn't do that) and initiating a heavy defeat for Corbyn might be the start of getting Labour "back" as they would term it.
Chuka might well argue a centrist Labour Party might look a very attractive alternative to a Conservative Government exhausted by internal turmoil and a long spell in office.
What happens after the next general election is another matter, but by then a lot could have happened, and the success or failure of the new grouping might be incidental to its previous achievements.
In fact, if TIG did resign and fight by-elections, it'd give the government an effective overall majority of two until new MPs were returned.
They could be the difference between any and every policy or vote from now until 2022. That is in anyone's book a success. And success breeds success. Would you rather be a marginalised back bencher in the Cons or Lab or have real influence in parliament, a la the DUP in a new grouping/party? It's a no-brainer.
Do we think there'll be any new Tiggers this week?
And does that make Corbyn an Eeyore?
The big exception to this is a vote of no confidence, as we discussed on the previous thread.
Things may change further, of course, if there are substantial numbers of Tory defectors.
https://twitter.com/MrKenShabby/status/1097495659463278592
It would be much easier to envisage a compromise between TIG and the Conservatives, than between Corbyn and May. But they would need enough Tories to deprive May of her majority (7?) and enough Labour / other MPs to outweigh the ERG/DUP (50-100?).
It's a stretch and time is short.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1097870486128730112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/19/honda-confirms-swindon-plant-will-close-latest-blow-uks-car/
It’s clear that the key issue is him changing the legal advice . If the ERG then still refuse to vote for the deal they will come under huge pressure .
https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1097810566742183937
https://www.bcg.com/en-gb/publications/2018/future-battery-production-electric-vehicles.aspx
We might even get a significant facility (sufficient to provide at least 500k vehicles pa) in the UK... eventually.
We really don't treat those found not guilty well - see The Secret Barrister's excellent book for more details.
This can't be right. The most urgent need in the People's Republic is for production of a lot more Austin Allegros.
I think the report is based on very conservative estimates of EV take-up (and modes of usage), but was nonetheless interesting for the detailed analysis of battery production costs.
Of course new chemistries/techniques (eg Tesla's upcoming dry cathode) could make a nonsense of it all quite quickly, but they do nod towards those as well.
Though all acronyms only work if everyone involved can reasonably work out what they stand for, which will be the case for most of Mr H Cole's audience.
We're at a transition point between ICE and BEVs but too distracted by Brexit to be able to do anything about it.
Or do you not mean acronym, and have just got confused by BBC reporters at trade union conferences using it to mean initialism?
Or it really is going to be a shit-fest......
But only the REVA G-Wiz was worse....
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/97617/austin-allegro-the-worst-cars-ever
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47296821
But the location of lithium deposits might also be significant - and Portugal/Spain also have the advantage of being great locations for solar, and energy costs are a part of the equation too..
As I indicated below, it's a far from foolproof analysis, but the detail on production costs was very interesting.
Carlo: “I used to work at Liberty, Liberty doesn’t publish who funds it. Open Rights Group doesn’t publish who funds it…
O’Brien: “No, but I’m not troubled by their agenda.”
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O'Brien : I can't let people on this programme unless they disclose their full funding....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HhMhmZ9KNMI
Going to be a very quiet show if he sticks to that.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/feb/19/labour-split-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-politics-live
A interesting approach.
For all the criticism of Corbyn's response to the creation of the TIG, what would be the response from May and the Conservative Party if five of their MPs left to join the same group?
Would not May claim her door was always open and she was always "willing to listen to colleagues" ?
It would come up on an enhanced check if the police had reason to believe it was important or relevant. It arises out of the problem of people who have no relevant criminal convictions but have a bad record in terms of information, allegations etc which have come to official attention. I think it arose out of the Huntley case (school caretaker), who had no convictions but was well known to the police. There is a tribunal system to deal with difficult and contested cases.
To coin a phrase, don't blame me, I voted Labour in 2015.
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2019/02/19/do-people-want-a-new-centrist-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I think what’s now happening is the realization that May surviving the no confidence from her MPs was pivotal . They can’t threaten to remove her now and no deal isn’t going to happen regardless of the government and media commentators continuing to peddle this fantasy .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/brexit-labour-jeremy-hunt-eu
And had Labour won in 2015, there's a strong chance Boris would be LotO (and performing well in a natural oppositionist position), UKIP would be on 15%+ and the Tories still committed to an In/Out referendum, as we headed to a GE next year.
Con 39.3%
Lab 35.6%
LD 9.9%
UKIP 5.0%
Greens 3.7%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2019
Baxtered:
Con 324 (+6)
Lab 245 (-17)
LD 18 (+6)
SNP 41 (+6)