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Theresa May is now seriously contemplating a no-deal Brexit. Here's the story of why:https://t.co/WFDKKd60Ql
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What a magnificent batting performance by England. It's amazing what you can achieve when part time spinners bowl nearly half the overs.0
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Cannot be bothered. It is all so pointless.
Goodnight.0 -
If some more resign the whip, May might not need the DUP for confidence0
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No one can be surprised by Labour anymore.
We certainly have been told often enough on both Brexit and anti Antisemitism
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Her party wants no deal, of course she'd contemplate it. Her entire plan has been to avoid party confrontation as much as she can, and she'll give in to the ridiculous if it means as few as possible throw their toys out of the pram, so whoever screams louder wins. The unicorn plan of doing what she said was impossible made it seem very likely no deal was the plan, just to blame the EU more for it.0
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??? I'm lost.Casino_Royale said:
There are saying they won't re-open the Withdrawal Agreement rather too much.Scott_P said:
That suggests to me they will do something that effectively amounts to reopening the Withdrawal Agreement.
I would like to never see the word constructive used every again though.0 -
Brexit in micro.williamglenn said:
“Get rid of him!”
“Why?”
“Don’t know!”
Sadness and confusion ensues....0 -
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why? they won't back the gov't?Pulpstar said:If some more resign the whip, May might not need the DUP for confidence
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I doubt they would want an electionTheWhiteRabbit said:
why? they won't back the gov't?Pulpstar said:If some more resign the whip, May might not need the DUP for confidence
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The government has only just started stockpiling body-bags?Scott_P said:
Amateurs.
I managed to get a job-lot in ages ago.0 -
Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
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Abstentions a la Woodcock.TheWhiteRabbit said:
why? they won't back the gov't?Pulpstar said:If some more resign the whip, May might not need the DUP for confidence
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Surely the only thing worse than a no deal Brexit would be extending Article 50 for three months so we can continue to talk about no deal Brexit for even longer, and then still end up with a no deal Brexit.0
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Indeed.solarflare said:Surely the only thing worse than a no deal Brexit would be extending Article 50 for three months so we can continue to talk about no deal Brexit for even longer, and then still end up with a no deal Brexit.
The only reason for an extension is if we've made a decision and need a small time to make preparations.
If only we'd had a period of 2 years to make preparations already ...0 -
Then another extension! And a general election that returns exactly the same HoC as now, for good measure.solarflare said:Surely the only thing worse than a no deal Brexit would be extending Article 50 for three months so we can continue to talk about no deal Brexit for even longer, and then still end up with a no deal Brexit.
Sod's law shall not be denied.0 -
What a total and utter mess.0
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Quite. She cares more about herself and the Tories than the country.rottenborough said:Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
The woman is a menace. The Tories will be destroyed if she carries on like this.
As will the country.0 -
Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.0 -
Yes, I think Theresa's sole focus now is how to rebuild the party she loves and was baptised into from the smouldering and putrid wreckage of a No Deal Brexit. A few die-hard Remainers may have to be culled and the public may not be forgiving about the economic hardship, but with fortitude, loyalty, determination and much patience Theresa and the Tories may come through this.0
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Meanwhile, in the Kremlin, V. V. Putin chuckles softly to himself, sits back and strokes his white Persian cat.Cyclefree said:
Quite. She cares more about herself and the Tories than the country.rottenborough said:Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
The woman is a menace. The Tories will be destroyed if she carries on like this.
As will the country.0 -
Meaning they have nothing right now.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
Indeed. The arguments against an extension prior to making a decision remain. It's not as though we'll adequately prepare with that additional time, since the pretense will be that no deal is not being sought.solarflare said:Surely the only thing worse than a no deal Brexit would be extending Article 50 for three months so we can continue to talk about no deal Brexit for even longer, and then still end up with a no deal Brexit.
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Many a true word in jest - it really won't, hence the need for displacement activity like extensions for no purpose.Scott_P said:0 -
The Tories are RADIOACTIVE with anyone under the age of 50. And although some fogeys on here scoff that people naturally get more Tory with age, this time it’s different.Cyclefree said:
Quite. She cares more about herself and the Tories than the country.rottenborough said:Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
The woman is a menace. The Tories will be destroyed if she carries on like this.
As will the country.
They will not be forgiven.0 -
Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.0
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I said so here, and was a touch surprised when all the remainers expressed confidence in May in the VONC !0
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I'm sorry but that's a load of bovine manure.Cyclefree said:
Quite. She cares more about herself and the Tories than the country.rottenborough said:Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
The woman is a menace. The Tories will be destroyed if she carries on like this.
As will the country.0 -
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.0 -
Then, you should be pleased.Gardenwalker said:
The Tories are RADIOACTIVE with anyone under the age of 50. And although some fogeys on here scoff that people naturally get more Tory with age, this time it’s different.Cyclefree said:
Quite. She cares more about herself and the Tories than the country.rottenborough said:Dear God, she has gone totally Nixon, if this report on HuffPo stands up.
The woman is a menace. The Tories will be destroyed if she carries on like this.
As will the country.
They will not be forgiven.0 -
You forgot 3. That they are unionists.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.0 -
That is inexcusable.dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
BT are first class including a complete wi fi guarantee and keep connected promise.
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Your business website is presumably hosted elsewhere though?dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
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You sneer at the last 45 years of our history and characterise it as "being absorbed into a European superstate". That's not patriotic.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.0 -
Well, that is the problem with Tory Brexiteers in a nutshell.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.
1) The only true patriotism is Tory patrlotism.
2) Terrorist supporting barbaric regimes are fine provided they buy our arms to kill with.
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“Absorbed into a European superstate”.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.
The voice of fanaticism.0 -
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Why are Iranians chanting 'Death to May'?Scott_P said:0 -
Indeed. But it is Online counselling/psychotherapy. Requiring erm Internet.Benpointer said:
Your business website is presumably hosted elsewhere though?dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
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I think there will be an election this summer. The sudden onset of "money no object" waiting list reductions is a major tell.Scott_P said:0 -
That's part of 2.Benpointer said:
You forgot 3. That they are unionists.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.0 -
You are right. It was not patriotic being absorbed into an EU superstate. Glad you accept that.williamglenn said:
You sneer at the last 45 years of our history and characterise it as "being absorbed into a European superstate". That's not patriotic.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.0 -
Re a May 2nd GE
That would be the week before the 2019q1 stats are published.
They are unlikely to be good.0 -
Tell me about it. Moaned on Twitter and was contacted by Sky who offered me faster connection and slightly cheaper. So bye bye in 2 weeks. Moan over.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is inexcusable.dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
BT are first class including a complete wi fi guarantee and keep connected promise.0 -
Too many idiots in the main parties seem to think it is a good way out of this hole we are in, and even if they cobble something together without an election that probably precipitates one anyway. We're so boned.Foxy said:
I think there will be an election this summer. The sudden onset of "money no object" waiting list reductions is a major tell.Scott_P said:0 -
Sorry Cyclefree my post posted early without my explanation.
May has reached out to all parties. Labour could ratify the existing deal and still seek a customs union after the next election. That would achieve avoiding no deal and get what they are seeking.
If MPs from the opposition really want to prevent no deal there is a simple solution. If the EU really won't renegotiate and if MPs really want to stop no deal then May isn't the one voting against the deal.
Any opposition MP who claims to be worried about no deal but isn't prepared to vote for the EU's deal is crying crocodile tears.0 -
Classy response by Sky. Clever.dixiedean said:
Tell me about it. Moaned on Twitter and was contacted by Sky who offered me faster connection and slightly cheaper. So bye bye in 2 weeks. Moan over.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is inexcusable.dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
BT are first class including a complete wi fi guarantee and keep connected promise.0 -
Gardenwalker said:
That these two options were posited as even jokes to the same question illustrates quite well just how screwed the Tories are. A poll rating holding up in an electoral situation is a fantasy.Foxy said:0 -
I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies.kle4 said:
Too many idiots in the main parties seem to think it is a good way out of this hole we are in, and even if they cobble something together without an election that probably precipitates one anyway. We're so boned.Foxy said:
I think there will be an election this summer. The sudden onset of "money no object" waiting list reductions is a major tell.Scott_P said:0 -
Who thought May had such reach?williamglenn said:
I mean, her dancing is bad, but not that bad.0 -
This is indeed true. It may be a terrible deal, but if no deal is so very bad then those whingers should vote for it. That wouldn't make May's brinkmanship right (for those that do fear no deal at any rate) but there's a lot of people even now who are prepared to do anything to prevent no deal...but they won't do that, as meatloaf once sang.Philip_Thompson said:
Any opposition MP who claims to be worried about no deal but isn't prepared to vote for the EU's deal is crying crocodile tears.
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Yes. Couldn't be any worse. Talk Talk seem utterly unable to comprehend the fact this is our business. And that there are potentially vulnerable clients affected, or that, out here in the sticks 4G can be very spotty indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
Classy response by Sky. Clever.dixiedean said:
Tell me about it. Moaned on Twitter and was contacted by Sky who offered me faster connection and slightly cheaper. So bye bye in 2 weeks. Moan over.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is inexcusable.dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
BT are first class including a complete wi fi guarantee and keep connected promise.
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I do seem to recall a statement from Khamenei a number of years ago referring to us as the most treacherous of all nations. Long memories I guess.williamglenn said:0 -
Your forgot the death of being a safe pair of hands with the economySouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.0 -
In these days of austerity it's for a Thin-wa.williamglenn said:0 -
An old proverb in that part of the world is:kle4 said:
I do seem to recall a statement from Khamenei a number of years ago referring to us as the most treacherous of all nations. Long memories I guess.williamglenn said:
"It is better to be an enemy of the British than their friend, because they buy their enemies and sell their friends"
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Looking at the big five EU economies and comparing December 2018 to December 2017:
UK
Industrial production -0.8%
Retail sales +3.0%
France
Industrial production -1.4%
Retail sales -2.3%
Germany
Industrial production -3.9%
Retail sales -2.1%
Italy
Industrial production -5.5%
Retail sales -0.6%
Spain
Industrial production -6.2%
Retail sales +0.8%0 -
The Lib Dem fightback continues.Scott_P said:0 -
The Times poll puts conservatives on 39% and labour on 34 %
That is the third of the last four polls with labour on 34%0 -
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:0 -
Which, at this point, they should just freely admit. There are sound reasons for that stance, if that is what they want to do, no need to be coy any more.Andrew said:
Most of them have no problem with the deal, they're just looking to block brexit.kle4 said:
This is indeed true. It may be a terrible deal, but if no deal is so very bad then those whingers should vote for it.0 -
Go for it! C'mon May, make my day...Big_G_NorthWales said:The Times poll puts conservatives on 39% and labour on 34 %
That is the third of the last four polls with labour on 34%0 -
Speaking of, I see Onasanya has appealed. If she succeeds what a turnaround in fortunes that would be.IanB2 said:
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:
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Much better to be absorbed into a Trump-America superstate? Or a Russian superstate? I am not convinced.Richard_Tyndall said:
You are right. It was not patriotic being absorbed into an EU superstate. Glad you accept that.williamglenn said:
You sneer at the last 45 years of our history and characterise it as "being absorbed into a European superstate". That's not patriotic.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.0 -
Given that Labour are losing a lot more votes than the Conservatives, these vote shares would represent a swing to the Tories of 1.4%. If we were to apply that swing uniformly across all constituencies the Conservatives would gain 16 seats directly from Labour, and end up with a majority of 10.Verulamius said:
However the model predicts that as things currently stand they would only manage to gain six of these crucial target seats. The main reason for this is a phenomena sometimes referred to as the “sophomore surge”, where first time incumbent MPs get a slightly higher voter share than would otherwise be expected.
This has been a fairly consistent theme in election results for the past 35 years, most notably in 2001 when there was a 2% swing against Labour nationally but the Tories only managed to pick up four seats.
Many Conservatives target seats are in constituencies Labour first gained in 2017, so they will have to battle against this incumbency boost. On average, in the 28 seats that Labour gained from the Conservatives in the last election, the model is currently showing there would be a small swing to Labour rather than the national swing against.0 -
I think that we will see the return of Red/Yellow/Green tactical voting whenever there is an anti Brexit MP.FrankBooth said:
The Lib Dem fightback continues.Scott_P said:0 -
You want TM to win !!!!Foxy said:
Go for it! C'mon May, make my day...Big_G_NorthWales said:The Times poll puts conservatives on 39% and labour on 34 %
That is the third of the last four polls with labour on 34%0 -
Are those the only options we are permitted?PClipp said:
Much better to be absorbed into a Trump-America superstate? Or a Russian superstate? I am not convinced.Richard_Tyndall said:
You are right. It was not patriotic being absorbed into an EU superstate. Glad you accept that.williamglenn said:
You sneer at the last 45 years of our history and characterise it as "being absorbed into a European superstate". That's not patriotic.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, there's nothing patriotic about being absorbed into a European superstate and in defence and foreign policy the Tories very clearly advocate in the national interest. Neither do they sneer at our flag or our culture or our history.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has killed off two Tory myths:
1. That they are pro-business.
2. That they are patriotic.
All they have left is not being Labour.
They do not cavort with terrorists nor undermine our security services either.
But, you're in hyperpartisan mood today so this will all fall on deaf ears.0 -
The map shows 5 SNP gains from Labour.Verulamius said:0 -
Isn't the significance that she is safe from being removed by a recall election until the appeal process is finished?kle4 said:
Speaking of, I see Onasanya has appealed. If she succeeds what a turnaround in fortunes that would be.IanB2 said:
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:
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Doesn't she need to provide new evidence or show that there were mistakes in the conviction for it to be overturned ?kle4 said:
Speaking of, I see Onasanya has appealed. If she succeeds what a turnaround in fortunes that would be.IanB2 said:
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:
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Please do not tell Justin that !!!!williamglenn said:
The map shows 5 SNP gains from Labour.Verulamius said:0 -
40k sample on that yougov.
Also wonder how UKIP's 5% vote splits in all those constituencies where they wouldn't have candidates.
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Given France managed 0.6% GDP growth in Q4 2018, and Spain 0.7%, I'm slightly surprised by some of those numbers.another_richard said:Looking at the big five EU economies and comparing December 2018 to December 2017:
UK
Industrial production -0.8%
Retail sales +3.0%
France
Industrial production -1.4%
Retail sales -2.3%
Germany
Industrial production -3.9%
Retail sales -2.1%
Italy
Industrial production -5.5%
Retail sales -0.6%
Spain
Industrial production -6.2%
Retail sales +0.8%
(Not that they're impossible - they merely imply (a) that some countries aren't that industrial, and/or (b) that December was a meaningfully worse month than Nov/Dec.)
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I don't think she will win.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You want TM to win !!!!Foxy said:
Go for it! C'mon May, make my day...Big_G_NorthWales said:The Times poll puts conservatives on 39% and labour on 34 %
That is the third of the last four polls with labour on 34%
That Times prediction is for 4 seat gains. That isn't even MOE from the status quo, and before May writes a manifesto.0 -
Not if there is a May election when the electors can remove herFoxy said:
Isn't the significance that she is safe from being removed by a recall election until the appeal process is finished?kle4 said:
Speaking of, I see Onasanya has appealed. If she succeeds what a turnaround in fortunes that would be.IanB2 said:
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:
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Deleted. Nesting omnishambles.0
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I think we will need to look at data almost on a weekly basis now. The best measure of our economy is probably sterling. If this starts falling again we are in big trouble. Not sure we have the firepower to stop a slide. No doubt the rest of eu has troubles but this just makes our situation more precarious.Andrew said:
Most of them have no problem with the deal, they're just looking to block brexit.kle4 said:
This is indeed true. It may be a terrible deal, but if no deal is so very bad then those whingers should vote for it.0 -
Time to go once more
Have a pleasant nights rest folks
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The same applies to all MPs, notably one Boris Johnson.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not if there is a May election when the electors can remove herFoxy said:
Isn't the significance that she is safe from being removed by a recall election until the appeal process is finished?kle4 said:
Speaking of, I see Onasanya has appealed. If she succeeds what a turnaround in fortunes that would be.IanB2 said:
Notice P'boro as a Tory gainVerulamius said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-472038140 -
Honeymoon cessation postponed once again.williamglenn said:
The map shows 5 SNP gains from Labour.Verulamius said:0 -
My hunch is that a GE right now could see both main parties competing to lose, with the two party vote down considerably on 2017.Foxy said:
I don't think she will win.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You want TM to win !!!!Foxy said:
Go for it! C'mon May, make my day...Big_G_NorthWales said:The Times poll puts conservatives on 39% and labour on 34 %
That is the third of the last four polls with labour on 34%
That Times prediction is for 4 seat gains. That isn't even MOE from the status quo, and before May writes a manifesto.0 -
Kensington turning Blue? Shocking, if true.0
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If no Tory MPs believe it why are there all these rumours about May, among others, contemplating asking for an election?rottenborough said:0 -
Labour needs 18 more seats in Scotland for a majority of one!Theuniondivvie said:
Honeymoon cessation postponed once again.williamglenn said:
The map shows 5 SNP gains from Labour.Verulamius said:
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You are aware of the Service Level Agreement on standard broadband right?dixiedean said:Bloody Talk Talk. Internet down since Saturday. No engineer till Wednesday at the earliest. Stayed in all day today, but the engineer was ill. None available tomorrow. How's that for customer service? Will be a full 96 hours before anyone even looks at it. Trying to run an Internet based business from home here.
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Turn the screw on them - and good nightkle4 said:
If no Tory MPs believe it why are there all these rumours about May, among others, contemplating asking for an election?rottenborough said:0 -
Rumour is cheap at the moment.kle4 said:
If no Tory MPs believe it why are there all these rumours about May, among others, contemplating asking for an election?rottenborough said:
I cannot for the life of me see the logic of No Dealing on 29th March, waiting for a month or so before holding a GE in early May.
I suppose the idea would be to distract us from the chaos by having an election, or perhaps their modelling shows the No Deal chaos gets far worse after a couple of months.
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Not that I can see. It's an easy path, that's its only appeal.rottenborough said:
Rumour is cheap at the moment.kle4 said:
If no Tory MPs believe it why are there all these rumours about May, among others, contemplating asking for an election?rottenborough said:
I cannot for the life of me see the logic of No Dealing on 29th March, waiting for a month or so before holding a GE in early May.
I suppose the idea would be to distract us from the chaos by having an election, or perhaps their modelling shows the No Deal chaos gets far worse after a couple of months.
Am I missing something?0
