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Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.0 -
Agreed. Tim is a true PB legend. Arguably the best poster ever on this site – he ran rings around the PB Tories and the Labour hard lefties. Sean has apologised several times for what he did, however, so it's probably fair to leave that there. Indeed Sean has also asked several times that Tim return but sadly I think those days are over. The site is much the weaker without him.TOPPING said:
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.NickPalmer said:
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.AmpfieldAndy said:
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.0 -
UK, please stay with us.
'Brexit: High-profile Germans plead with UK to stay in EU'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46918009
Shame Bowie, as an honorary Berliner, isn't around to sign the letter.
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Overheard by bakers, as I filed my copy on my mobile phone.....Scott_P said:0 -
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
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He was well informed and effective but his certainty was maddening.Anazina said:
Agreed. Tim is a true PB legend. Arguably the best poster ever on this site – he ran rings around the PB Tories and the Labour hard lefties. Sean has apologised several times for what he did, however, so it's probably fair to leave that there. Indeed Sean has also asked several times that Tim return but sadly I think those days are over. The site is much the weaker without him.TOPPING said:
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.NickPalmer said:
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.AmpfieldAndy said:
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.0 -
Riz Ahmed is a god.eek said:
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
https://twitter.com/NadiaShireen/status/1086206307827441664
Do I want him involved in politics? Ideally not but rather him than a thousand Eddie Izzards (in politics).0 -
As was his misogyny....FrankBooth said:
He was well informed and effective but his certainty was maddening.Anazina said:
Agreed. Tim is a true PB legend. Arguably the best poster ever on this site – he ran rings around the PB Tories and the Labour hard lefties. Sean has apologised several times for what he did, however, so it's probably fair to leave that there. Indeed Sean has also asked several times that Tim return but sadly I think those days are over. The site is much the weaker without him.TOPPING said:
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.NickPalmer said:
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.AmpfieldAndy said:
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.0 -
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"Children inherit their intelligence from their mother not their father, say scientists
Genes for cleverness are carried on the X chromosome and may be deactivated if they come from the father"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html0 -
Frei was born in Germany of German parents, so it's quite conceivable he'd be in a Berlin bakery.eek said:
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
https://twitter.com/NadiaShireen/status/10862063078274416640 -
Surely someone has him on findmyphone?Theuniondivvie said:
Frei was born in Germany of German parents, so it's quite conceivable he'd be in a Berlin bakery.eek said:
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
https://twitter.com/NadiaShireen/status/10862063078274416640 -
Yeah, sure....because so many will die, crossing the M25 to seek sanctuary.....eek said:
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
https://twitter.com/NadiaShireen/status/1086206307827441664
Good call, Remainers, belittling a million deaths at Partition to make a trite little point. But it's what we expect of you.0 -
This is very much the view of German friends of mine. It is very sad that there are people in our country that wish to trash our international reputation and treat our closest allies with so much rudeness and disdain. No wonder they like Trump and Putin so much. These so-called Brexiteer nationalists are not patriots.Nigelb said:There was some discussion yesterday around our European partners being utterly fed up with us, and glad to see us go.
I wasn't convinced, and apparently neither are the Germans:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/18/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-merkels-probable-successor-and-other-leading-germans-urge-uk-to-change-its-mind-and-stay-politics-live
Sir, Without your great nation, this continent would not be what it is today: a community defined by freedom and prosperity. After the horrors of the second world war, Britain did not give up on us. It has welcomed Germany back as a sovereign nation and a European power. This we, as Germans, have not forgotten and we are grateful.
Because we realise that the freedom we enjoy as Europeans today has in many ways been built and defended by the British people, we want Britons to know that we respect their choice. And should Britain wish to leave the European Union for good, it will always have friends in Germany and Europe. But Britons should equally know that we believe that no choice is irreversible. Our door will always remain open: Europe is home.
Britain has become part of who we are as Europeans. And therefore we would miss Britain. We would miss the legendary British black humour and going to the pub after work hours to drink an ale. We would miss tea with milk and driving on the left-hand side of the road. And we would miss seeing the panto at Christmas. But more than anything else, we would miss the British people — our friends across the Channel. We would miss Britain as part of the European Union, especially in these troubled times. Therefore Britons should know: from the bottom of our hearts, we want them to stay.0 -
Just dont.TOPPING said:
Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.
Ive tried 3 times to read Ulysses and the best Ive done is page 7, cant get in to it at all.0 -
Start at page one.Alanbrooke said:
Just dont.TOPPING said:
Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.
Ive tried 3 times to read Ulysses and the best Ive done is page 7, cant get in to it at all.0 -
I was skip reading:-)Jonathan said:
Start at page one.Alanbrooke said:
Just dont.TOPPING said:
Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.
Ive tried 3 times to read Ulysses and the best Ive done is page 7, cant get in to it at all.0 -
I have been saying for months that there are approx 18 labour mps opposed to a second referendum and not believed by some. However, this mornings news that there are many more labour mps anti a second referendum does demonstrate how much labour are split
Lucy Powell on 5 live this morning suggested labour is not split but have several shades of grey on the issue. She is taking us for fools if she thinks anyone believes that.
The interesting issue is where is Keir Starmer. In the HOC he has looked tortured and of course he has been promoting the second referendum which is clearly not going to be supported by labour. Indeed I would suggest that, with the real split in labour and a max of 30 conservative mps supporting a referendum, it is not likely to happen.
Boris and Davis resigned over policy, why is Starmer still in post when he is so much at odds with the leadership0 -
I think that's probably right. If you want the stature that comes with a correspondent/presenter position, you have to be seen to be impartial. It's why people get upset with Andrew Neil because he does let his views come through on This Week.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
What annoys me more, however, is when the likes of Flanders or Mason do an editor job to build up a profile and then come back as opinion makers. I think if you've done a correspondent/editor job on the BBC, you shouldn't be allowed back on the BBC to give an opinion (unless elected to office - like the SNP bloke who lost to Swinson last year).0 -
It's a JOKE ffs and quite a good one - if I overheard it in a bakery I'd probably pass it off as my own. It really doesn't matter whether it's true or not.
Next on PB, scandalous suggestion that Matt cartoons portray imaginary events which never actually happened.0 -
Deserve punishment beatings for making such a trite comparison.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, sure....because so many will die, crossing the M25 to seek sanctuary.....eek said:
It is plausible except for the Berlin bit - all he needed was to use London instead.TOPPING said:
File under nevertheless bang on the money.tlg86 said:
Separately and far more bluntly
https://twitter.com/NadiaShireen/status/1086206307827441664
Good call, Remainers, belittling a million deaths at Partition to make a trite little point. But it's what we expect of you.0 -
Yes, I'd pass it off as my own. But that's the point, he can't and in fact I'd suggest he's done the opposite.Ishmael_Z said:It's a JOKE ffs and quite a good one - if I overheard it in a bakery I'd probably pass it off as my own. It really doesn't matter whether it's true or not.
Next on PB, scandalous suggestion that Matt cartoons portray imaginary events which never actually happened.
No, it really doesn't matter, I probably shouldn't have bitten.0 -
Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/10862043660869181450 -
Have Matt & Matt Frei ever been seen in the same room?Ishmael_Z said:It's a JOKE ffs and quite a good one - if I overheard it in a bakery I'd probably pass it off as my own. It really doesn't matter whether it's true or not.
Next on PB, scandalous suggestion that Matt cartoons portray imaginary events which never actually happened.0 -
It is one of the wonders of the modern world that he is not in Cabinet.DavidL said:Why is this man not in charge of this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46913484/rory-stewart-brexit-red-lines-could-shift
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.0 -
Jesus Christ.tlg86 said:
I think that's probably right. If you want the stature that comes with a correspondent/presenter position, you have to be seen to be impartial. It's why people get upset with Andrew Neil because he does let his views come through on This Week.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
What annoys me more, however, is when the likes of Flanders or Mason do an editor job to build up a profile and then come back as opinion makers. I think if you've done a correspondent/editor job on the BBC, you shouldn't be allowed back on the BBC to give an opinion (unless elected to office - like the SNP bloke who lost to Swinson last year).
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The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/10862043660869181450 -
Mr. Anazina, it matters because those seeking to be seen as objective reporters can't have their cake and eat it. You can express a personal view or attempt to be seen as neutral, favouring neither one side nor the other.0
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So no deal now comes with Hammond and Rudd stepping down ?
Looking more and more tempting.0 -
Her logic is mangled.Nigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1086204366086918145
It is only when the EU believe that No Deal is better, that they will then negotiate a deal. Why?
If they really believed No Deal was better, they would leave us to leave with No Deal.
I suppose she might be trying to say it is only when the EU believe that No Deal is better for the UK than the EU, that they will agree a deal.
Still, this MP is a known to be less than accurate as she is the one who claimed we could not veto Turkey into the EU.0 -
Indeed. Even the fabled German car manufacturers are said to believe that it is better to lose some of their business to the UK than to damage the whole integrity of the EU. Wake up idiots, they do NOT need us more than we need themNigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/10862043660869181450 -
What is it with PP and giving away money on Bercow? In October they offered 1/10 he'd make it to Christmas, now it's 1/10 that he makes it to April. He will leave at some point, maybe even this year. But before Brexit? Why on earth would he do that, and how on earth could people force him to?0
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Alanbrooke said:
Just dont.TOPPING said:
Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.
Ive tried 3 times to read Ulysses and the best Ive done is page 7, cant get in to it at all.
There are plenty of guides to it now - the most notable of course being The Odyssey. But well worth giving it another go.
My recommendation? I'd read The Odyssey and then just jump in and read Ulysses letting the language wash over you and enjoy whatever you get out of it, what do they say about some books which are not able to be read they can only be re-read?
I would be a liar not fit to grace PB if I said I had got further than p.7 of Finnegan's Wake, however.0 -
Mr. Foremain, if we do end up leaving it'll be interesting to see how the EU and the member-states relationships to it and one another evolve.0
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Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.0
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Boris and Davis didn't really resign over policy. Boris flounced because he thought it was a good way of appealing to thicky Brexit obsessed activists, and Davis realised he might have to do some work if he stayed on.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have been saying for months that there are approx 18 labour mps opposed to a second referendum and not believed by some. However, this mornings news that there are many more labour mps anti a second referendum does demonstrate how much labour are split
Lucy Powell on 5 live this morning suggested labour is not split but have several shades of grey on the issue. She is taking us for fools if she thinks anyone believes that.
The interesting issue is where is Keir Starmer. In the HOC he has looked tortured and of course he has been promoting the second referendum which is clearly not going to be supported by labour. Indeed I would suggest that, with the real split in labour and a max of 30 conservative mps supporting a referendum, it is not likely to happen.
Boris and Davis resigned over policy, why is Starmer still in post when he is so much at odds with the leadership0 -
Mr. Meeks, interesting. I also noticed he was favourite, now 6 on Ladbrokes. But does he have sufficient MP support?0
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That's inferring a reasonably complex thought process before one reaches the point of becoming a bellowing QT audience member.rottenborough said:0 -
Yes, a vast proportion of the population have been brainwashed. Do we need the misery, hardship and destruction of a No Deal to shake them out of this mania? Of course, a few poor souls who didn't countenance it may also lose their homes/jobs/lives etc., but I guess we'll just have to write them off as collateral damage as we cure this appalling national sickness.rottenborough said:0 -
Well quite. He's also extremely competent, a conservative and a good communicator.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
Not many tick those 3 boxes in the current cabinet. Maybe Hunt, maybe..0 -
I see the logic of this -- but I also thought the same thing before the 2016 leadership contest, yet he royally cocked it up that time, so can we be sure he wouldn't this time?AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
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Without our counterbalance, I suggest it will be a little more "ever-closer", whatever that means. If the US or Britain go into isolationist mode, very few citizens of the world benefit. Sadly both are doing so simultaneously.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Foremain, if we do end up leaving it'll be interesting to see how the EU and the member-states relationships to it and one another evolve.
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As a non-Tory, long term him and Mordaunt are the ones who concern me. Whatever his merits, Gove has repeatedly shown he's a liability with voters.rottenborough said:
It is one of the wonders of the modern world that he is not in Cabinet.DavidL said:Why is this man not in charge of this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46913484/rory-stewart-brexit-red-lines-could-shift
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.0 -
Lol. From the 'bloke on the internet' who keeps banging on about Laura K!Anazina said:
Jesus Christ.tlg86 said:
I think that's probably right. If you want the stature that comes with a correspondent/presenter position, you have to be seen to be impartial. It's why people get upset with Andrew Neil because he does let his views come through on This Week.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
What annoys me more, however, is when the likes of Flanders or Mason do an editor job to build up a profile and then come back as opinion makers. I think if you've done a correspondent/editor job on the BBC, you shouldn't be allowed back on the BBC to give an opinion (unless elected to office - like the SNP bloke who lost to Swinson last year).
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I believe we need them more than they need us. But I also believe tht it is FUCKING IDIOTIC to go into a negotiation explicitly saying that no deal is not an option. You are basically saying you will take any terms you are offered.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Even the fabled German car manufacturers are said to believe that it is better to lose some of their business to the UK than to damage the whole integrity of the EU. Wake up idiots, they do NOT need us more than we need themNigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/10862043660869181450 -
I'm not saying he'll do it. It's easy to see how the winner could be some numpty like Dominic Raab. I am saying that Michael Gove is not too short-priced at present.Danny565 said:
I see the logic of this -- but I also thought the same thing before the 2016 leadership contest, yet he royally cocked it up that time, so can we be sure he wouldn't this time?AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
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Nice one Alanwilliamglenn said:0 -
I very nearly cited her as a very good example of an impartial editor (though I don't look at what she Tweets unless posted on here).Mortimer said:
Lol. From the 'bloke on the internet' who keeps banging on about Laura K!Anazina said:
Jesus Christ.tlg86 said:
I think that's probably right. If you want the stature that comes with a correspondent/presenter position, you have to be seen to be impartial. It's why people get upset with Andrew Neil because he does let his views come through on This Week.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
What annoys me more, however, is when the likes of Flanders or Mason do an editor job to build up a profile and then come back as opinion makers. I think if you've done a correspondent/editor job on the BBC, you shouldn't be allowed back on the BBC to give an opinion (unless elected to office - like the SNP bloke who lost to Swinson last year).
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It's entirely possible it was actually said in a Berlin bakery, allowing for poetic licence on "overheard". Berliners have a good sense of humour and it's the kind of joke that appeals to the German sense of the ridiculous.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
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Ive nothing aginst long novelsTOPPING said:Alanbrooke said:
Just dont.TOPPING said:
Why shouldn't he? James Joyce could have said: "the relationship between fathers and sons is complicated".tlg86 said:
Instead he wrote Ulysses.
Ive tried 3 times to read Ulysses and the best Ive done is page 7, cant get in to it at all.
There are plenty of guides to it now - the most notable of course being The Odyssey. But well worth giving it another go.
My recommendation? I'd read The Odyssey and then just jump in and read Ulysses letting the language wash over you and enjoy whatever you get out of it, what do they say about some books which are not able to be read they can only be re-read?
I would be a liar not fit to grace PB if I said I had got further than p.7 of Finnegan's Wake, however.
I raced through the 1000+ pages of the Good Soldier Svejk only to be gobsmacked by the last page.0 -
That is, of course, what she intended to say.rottenborough said:
Her logic is mangled.Nigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1086204366086918145
It is only when the EU believe that No Deal is better, that they will then negotiate a deal. Why?
If they really believed No Deal was better, they would leave us to leave with No Deal.
I suppose she might be trying to say it is only when the EU believe that No Deal is better for the UK than the EU, that they will agree a deal....
It is a measure of how stupid she is that she was not only unable to do so, but also that her misstatement managed to express a truth which rebutted her intended argument.0 -
Even though I think the whole process pointless, I can't disagree with your logic. We are already negotiating from a very weak position. I blame the "will-o-the-people". Whoever they are. They gave us a very marginal vote to leave, and then at a following GE removed the majority of the governing party. The British are known for black humour, but this about tops it! Putin must be pissing his pants with glee.Cookie said:
I believe we need them more than they need us. But I also believe tht it is FUCKING IDIOTIC to go into a negotiation explicitly saying that no deal is not an option. You are basically saying you will take any terms you are offered.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Even the fabled German car manufacturers are said to believe that it is better to lose some of their business to the UK than to damage the whole integrity of the EU. Wake up idiots, they do NOT need us more than we need themNigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/10862043660869181450 -
He was very intelligent and very nasty. He got several temporary bans for personal attacks on other posters.Anazina said:
Agreed. Tim is a true PB legend. Arguably the best poster ever on this site – he ran rings around the PB Tories and the Labour hard lefties. Sean has apologised several times for what he did, however, so it's probably fair to leave that there. Indeed Sean has also asked several times that Tim return but sadly I think those days are over. The site is much the weaker without him.TOPPING said:
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.NickPalmer said:
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.AmpfieldAndy said:
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.0 -
The lede already undermines the headline with that 'may' .AndyJS said:O/T
"Children inherit their intelligence from their mother not their father, say scientists
Genes for cleverness are carried on the X chromosome and may be deactivated if they come from the father"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html0 -
BoZo on the air claiming we can still catch a unicorn before the 29th March...0
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Which Failed negotiation position is actually worse for the EU? As revoking and potentially vetoing everything as it comes across the table or As leaving the EU without a deal..Nigel_Foremain said:
Even though I think the whole process pointless, I can't disagree with your logic. We are already negotiating from a very weak position. I blame the "will-o-the-people". Whoever they are. They gave us a very marginal vote to leave, and then at a following GE removed the majority of the governing party. The British are known for black humour, but this about tops it! Putin must be pissing his pants with glee.Cookie said:
I believe we need them more than they need us. But I also believe tht it is FUCKING IDIOTIC to go into a negotiation explicitly saying that no deal is not an option. You are basically saying you will take any terms you are offered.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Even the fabled German car manufacturers are said to believe that it is better to lose some of their business to the UK than to damage the whole integrity of the EU. Wake up idiots, they do NOT need us more than we need themNigelb said:
The EU do believe that... just not in quite the way which Ms Mordaunt means - which is why they are refusing to renegotiate what they have agreed.Morris_Dancer said:Meanwhile, in leadership news:
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1086204366086918145
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When Raab became Dexit Sec my first thought was how much more impressive he seemed than David Davis. It now appears he's pretty mad, if intelligent and completely ignorant. Not knowing how important the Dover crossing is? Nearly 3 years after the referendum.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm not saying he'll do it. It's easy to see how the winner could be some numpty like Dominic Raab. I am saying that Michael Gove is not too short-priced at present.Danny565 said:
I see the logic of this -- but I also thought the same thing before the 2016 leadership contest, yet he royally cocked it up that time, so can we be sure he wouldn't this time?AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
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A win for the Brexiteers!
The major trading nation, the Faroe Islands, is due to sign a free trade agreement with the UK immediately after Brexit.
The report comes from a Greenland newspaper and is in Danish, so our friendly translator Nick Palmer can help get the right nuances.
https://sermitsiaq.ag/node/210813
Probably the Faroes just want our fish.0 -
Yes. IMO he is a great choice in any case, but his position right now is particularly powerful and I can see it becoming more so.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
His biggest weakness is perhaps that he does not score well on the 'sort of chap I'd like to have a pint with' scale - many people would down it in one if they saw him coming over - but this should not matter too much in the event of him taking over in situ as next PM.
By the time he has to fight a general election he will have had the chance to endear himself to the general public and I sense he is capable of that. Not saying that he will ever be loved - difficult to envisage "One Michael Gove, there's only one Michael Gove" chants breaking out on a regular basis outside of party conference - but I can see him becoming well-liked.
That said, 6/1 looks a touch short now, so I have laid some of mine back.0 -
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Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.0
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Morris he would be the first to laugh at it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.
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RTC.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.
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It's surprising that Boris is welding himself so strongly to No Deal. Perhaps he's calculating that if there is a deal, he'll then be well placed to cry 'Betrayal' as part of his leadership bid. And if we don't get a deal... well, what's left of the country won't be worth ruling anyway.Scott_P said:0 -
None so unsophisticated as those who think the are sophisticated. And the more one focuses on politics the less one seems to know.felix said:
On here people tend to go largely on the most recent poll as Gospel. Pretty stupid for a supposedly sophisticated group. I'd say the parties are virtually level pegging.TheJezziah said:
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.Casino_Royale said:
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.DrCanard said:Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.0 -
Mr. 86, ha, fair enough.0
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❄️Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.
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Nice sentiment but they'd just bitch and moan at us for bitching and moaning all the time if we stayed so its a bit misplaced. They don't want us to stay, they want an idealised version of the UK to stay.Theuniondivvie said:UK, please stay with us.
'Brexit: High-profile Germans plead with UK to stay in EU'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46918009
Shame Bowie, as an honorary Berliner, isn't around to sign the letter.0 -
It is indeed. People were injured in that crashAlanbrooke said:0 -
Greater stupidity hath no man than this; that he lay down his credibility for his careerStark_Dawning said:
It's surprising that Boris is welding himself so strongly to No Deal. Perhaps he's calculating that if there is a deal, he'll then be well placed to cry 'Betrayal' as part of his leadership bid. And if we don't get a deal... well, what's left of the country won't be worth ruling anyway.Scott_P said:0 -
Since when were political cartoons supposed to be tasteful? Faux outrage alertBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is indeed. People were injured in that crashAlanbrooke said:0 -
“I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.”Stark_Dawning said:
It's surprising that Boris is welding himself so strongly to No Deal. Perhaps he's calculating that if there is a deal, he'll then be well placed to cry 'Betrayal' as part of his leadership bid. And if we don't get a deal... well, what's left of the country won't be worth ruling anyway.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, but one might hope they'd be funny.Nigel_Foremain said:
Since when were political cartoons supposed to be tasteful? Faux outrage alertBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is indeed. People were injured in that crashAlanbrooke said:0 -
That's the better objection. Tasteless is fine if it's funny, but this is just feeble. Matt Frei's bakery quip along the same lines is much better.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but one might hope they'd be funny.Nigel_Foremain said:
Since when were political cartoons supposed to be tasteful? Faux outrage alertBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is indeed. People were injured in that crashAlanbrooke said:0 -
💤Dura_Ace said:
❄️Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.
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The fact that Laura K is merely a mundane conduit is of importance because she is the political editor of the BBC. Her neutrality is not the issue, it is that she just parrots the lines she is fed.tlg86 said:
I very nearly cited her as a very good example of an impartial editor (though I don't look at what she Tweets unless posted on here).Mortimer said:
Lol. From the 'bloke on the internet' who keeps banging on about Laura K!Anazina said:
Jesus Christ.tlg86 said:
I think that's probably right. If you want the stature that comes with a correspondent/presenter position, you have to be seen to be impartial. It's why people get upset with Andrew Neil because he does let his views come through on This Week.Pulpstar said:Is @MattFrei using a fake anecdote to express his views on Brexit because his job as a broadcast journalist requires a large degree of impartiality ?
What annoys me more, however, is when the likes of Flanders or Mason do an editor job to build up a profile and then come back as opinion makers. I think if you've done a correspondent/editor job on the BBC, you shouldn't be allowed back on the BBC to give an opinion (unless elected to office - like the SNP bloke who lost to Swinson last year).
WHO CARES????
If you want a proper national TV hack, go for Peston. He's a risk taker and not always right but at least he works hard to get behind the official line, which means he often provides insights and even scoops that are beyond LK, who is just a bit rubbish.
What Matt Frei says or doesn't say in a German bakehouse is utterly trivial.0 -
It's in the finest, Brant-ish tradition of medium- to unfunny political cartoons and is to the point and topical.AlastairMeeks said:
That's the better objection. Tasteless is fine if it's funny, but this is just feeble. Matt Frei's bakery quip along the same lines is much better.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but one might hope they'd be funny.Nigel_Foremain said:
Since when were political cartoons supposed to be tasteful? Faux outrage alertBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is indeed. People were injured in that crashAlanbrooke said:
I'm a fan.0 -
It's either a bid for next leader of the opposition. Or he is on a bet to become the most unpopular prime minister in history.Stark_Dawning said:
It's surprising that Boris is welding himself so strongly to No Deal. Perhaps he's calculating that if there is a deal, he'll then be well placed to cry 'Betrayal' as part of his leadership bid. And if we don't get a deal... well, what's left of the country won't be worth ruling anyway.Scott_P said:0 -
The advantage of Tory and Labour MPs coming together to do it is that they both provide the cover for each other.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Mr. Dawning, he wants to remain in the public eye and jumping the other way would sink his hopes.
As ever, ambition is the sun around which Boris' actions revolve.0 -
But someone on here did say a few weeks ago that ' even his friends know he is a cnut'.TGOHF said:
Well quite. He's also extremely competent, a conservative and a good communicator.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
Not many tick those 3 boxes in the current cabinet. Maybe Hunt, maybe..0 -
Gove or Hunt?justin124 said:
But someone on here did say a few weeks ago that ' even his friends know he is a cnut'.TGOHF said:
Well quite. He's also extremely competent, a conservative and a good communicator.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
Not many tick those 3 boxes in the current cabinet. Maybe Hunt, maybe..
I imagine both!0 -
Gove.PeterMannion said:
Gove or Hunt?justin124 said:
But someone on here did say a few weeks ago that ' even his friends know he is a cnut'.TGOHF said:
Well quite. He's also extremely competent, a conservative and a good communicator.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
Not many tick those 3 boxes in the current cabinet. Maybe Hunt, maybe..
I imagine both!0 -
They both sound like kernts, site must be better without, ShirleySean_F said:
He was very intelligent and very nasty. He got several temporary bans for personal attacks on other posters.Anazina said:
Agreed. Tim is a true PB legend. Arguably the best poster ever on this site – he ran rings around the PB Tories and the Labour hard lefties. Sean has apologised several times for what he did, however, so it's probably fair to leave that there. Indeed Sean has also asked several times that Tim return but sadly I think those days are over. The site is much the weaker without him.TOPPING said:
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.NickPalmer said:
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.AmpfieldAndy said:
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.0 -
He'll need to make more than such a meagre offering if he really wishes to get on.Nigel_Foremain said:
Greater stupidity hath no man than this; that he lay down his credibility for his careerStark_Dawning said:
It's surprising that Boris is welding himself so strongly to No Deal. Perhaps he's calculating that if there is a deal, he'll then be well placed to cry 'Betrayal' as part of his leadership bid. And if we don't get a deal... well, what's left of the country won't be worth ruling anyway.Scott_P said:0 -
Mine came out same as wellDavidL said:
Surprisingly similarrcs1000 said:I've just done the Five Thirty Eight personality test.
I would have done much better on "respect for others", but it asked me about Zac Goldsmith.
Here's my result: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/personality-quiz/?group=-LWUbpnsPGmGj00hx03A
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
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I thought Hunt would be the next Tory leader the day after GE 2017, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind since. Hunt might be seen as a 'bastard', but Gove is seen as being just a bit too 'weird' and, ultimately, he's not PLU enough for the Tory Party grandees.justin124 said:
Gove.PeterMannion said:
Gove or Hunt?justin124 said:
But someone on here did say a few weeks ago that ' even his friends know he is a cnut'.TGOHF said:
Well quite. He's also extremely competent, a conservative and a good communicator.AlastairMeeks said:Unusually I'm not betting against the favourite for next Conservative leader at present. That's not because of Michael Gove's undoubtedly rousing speech on Wednesday (it's almost irrelevant) but because as of now he is just about the only conceivable hingepoint between the wings of the Conservative party that could keep it held together.
Not many tick those 3 boxes in the current cabinet. Maybe Hunt, maybe..
I imagine both!0 -
Best one I saw was with webcam footage showing Corgi driving, very funny.TOPPING said:
Morris he would be the first to laugh at it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, aye, not sure it's terribly clever to be making a cartoon of that nature. Knocking politicians is one thing, making light of the Duke's RTA is another.
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