Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
tim wasn't worth listening to as a "farmer" on here. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
Tim was sharp and very caustic. Ironically though Osborne was actually pretty good. With hindsight. Tim played the “how awful Osborne is”, around 2012 when it started to look a bit ropey. But in the years following many of his measures have shown to have been the right thing.
Some have if you ignore the austerity that resulted in the Have Nots voting sod the lot of you...
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
I went to university in New England, and lobster was occasionally on the menu.. a full lobster
The only polling company that exists in the mind of Corbyn critics.
There's a very big difference between the number of Labour Leave voters identified by Yougov and Survation which probably explains the difference in headline numbers.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
it's not. But just being out of sync with others doesn't mean it should be ignored. So if we look at polls they range from modest lab lead to larger Tory lead, although the former are more common.
More likely all are suspect at the moment because both sides could not maintain their stance on their main policy at an election - Tories due to division, labour due to needing to come off the fence - so who knows howd they react.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
tim wasn't worth listening to as a "farmer" on here. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
Tim's critical analysis of Corbyn is spot on.
I'm sure Tim was just as spot on before the 2017 election until voters had their say.
Whilst clinging to YouGov polls might make people feel better there is a chance they aren't correct and every other pollster wrong however much that annoys Corbyn critics.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
YouGov is useful because it’s regular and its questions tend to be consistent. But yes. It seems the outlier. There’s a risk that the turnout filter or past voting filter is so broken that the subsequent questions on party favourability and leadership are also contaminated.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
it's not. But just being out of sync with others doesn't mean it should be ignored. So if we look at polls they range from modest lab lead to larger Tory lead, although the former are more common.
More likely all are suspect at the moment because both sides could bit maintain their stance on their main policy at an election - Tories due to division, labour due to needing to come off the fence - so who knows howd they react.
My argument isn't people should ignore YouGov
It is the Corbyn critics that ignore everything but YouGov and then say see Corbyn is x amount of points behind and clearly losing.
If we were stupid enough to fall for it we would already agree with them surely?
The BBC reports that (even before any Brexit-related difficulties) many common medicines are already in short supply, with the NHS having to pay a premium to obtain them. Even with the premium, some pharmacists are unable to fill prescriptions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46843631
No doubt the Spectator's looking-glass logic would produce the syllogism: Brexit may disrupt medical supplies. There are already problems with medical supplies. Brexit won't make any difference.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
it's not. But just being out of sync with others doesn't mean it should be ignored. So if we look at polls they range from modest lab lead to larger Tory lead, although the former are more common.
More likely all are suspect at the moment because both sides could bit maintain their stance on their main policy at an election - Tories due to division, labour due to needing to come off the fence - so who knows howd they react.
My argument isn't people should ignore YouGov
It is the Corbyn critics that ignore everything but YouGov and then say see Corbyn is x amount of points behind and clearly losing.
If we were stupid enough to fall for it we would already agree with them surely?
Mr. 43, indeed. Still weird that Cameron didn't (and there was some, but not much, criticism of this at the time) require the official Leave campaign to put together an alternative prospectus. Would've helped his own side tremendously.
It seemed to me that if a prospectus requirement would have meant that the remain campaign would not have had been able to use broad terrifying statements and make the worst assumptions to fuel Osborne’s Projct Fear. It would also have meant that they would have had to have given some Civil Service support too and perhaps have included in the every household mailshot. The political decision was strategic to undermine Leave, and it didn’t work because a lot of people would be happy with No Deal just leave.
Are some Brexiteers addicted to disappointment and frustration? Do they so crave the righteous indignation that flows from being thwarted that they are actively trying to sabotage their own project? How else to explain the extraordinary strategic incompetence of Tory MPs who say they want Britain to leave the EU yet behave in a way that makes it increasingly likely that Britain will not do so?
There are many Conservative Members who, like me, voted to remain but accept, admittedly reluctantly and with some misgivings, that we are leaving the European Union. We have compromised at every stage of the process to try to find a way to make this work, and the deal before us is as far as I am prepared to go. If some of my colleagues want to blow this up in pursuit of an ideologically purist fantasy, fine—go ahead—but I am done. My patience and goodwill will be gone, along with the patience and goodwill of many other Conservative Members.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
tim wasn't worth listening to as a "farmer" on here. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
Tim's critical analysis of Corbyn is spot on.
I'm sure Tim was just as spot on before the 2017 election until voters had their say.
Whilst clinging to YouGov polls might make people feel better there is a chance they aren't correct and every other pollster wrong however much that annoys Corbyn critics.
It is quite quaint how you keep trying to convince yourselves and others. Corbyn is a lightweight with a low intellect. He is not fit to be an MP, let alone front bench, let alone PM.
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
I went to university in New England, and lobster was occasionally on the menu.. a full lobster
Lobster loses some of its cachet when you go to a New England McDonalds serving the McLobster Roll!
Are some Brexiteers addicted to disappointment and frustration? Do they so crave the righteous indignation that flows from being thwarted that they are actively trying to sabotage their own project? How else to explain the extraordinary strategic incompetence of Tory MPs who say they want Britain to leave the EU yet behave in a way that makes it increasingly likely that Britain will not do so?
There are many Conservative Members who, like me, voted to remain but accept, admittedly reluctantly and with some misgivings, that we are leaving the European Union. We have compromised at every stage of the process to try to find a way to make this work, and the deal before us is as far as I am prepared to go. If some of my colleagues want to blow this up in pursuit of an ideologically purist fantasy, fine—go ahead—but I am done. My patience and goodwill will be gone, along with the patience and goodwill of many other Conservative Members.
I think that's fair enough.
The fact that the leading Brexiters have been so irresponsible, indolent, obstructive and cowardly since they achieved their surprise win is a powerful justification for having a rethink nearly three fruitless years later.
The only polling company that exists in the mind of Corbyn critics.
There's a very big difference between the number of Labour Leave voters identified by Yougov and Survation which probably explains the difference in headline numbers.
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
it's not. But just being out of sync with others doesn't mean it should be ignored. So if we look at polls they range from modest lab lead to larger Tory lead, although the former are more common.
More likely all are suspect at the moment because both sides could bit maintain their stance on their main policy at an election - Tories due to division, labour due to needing to come off the fence - so who knows howd they react.
My argument isn't people should ignore YouGov
It is the Corbyn critics that ignore everything but YouGov and then say see Corbyn is x amount of points behind and clearly losing.
If we were stupid enough to fall for it we would already agree with them surely?
Yes they shouldn't just ignore non YouGov.
Personally I'm a fan of the averages of them, easy to pick out the poll you like but that doesn't really tell you anything other than this poll has the best result for your party. If anything it seems pointless to oversell to yourself as you will likely be disappointed.
Although I am terribly cynical that people like Tim aren't genuinely idiots that believe that YouGov is the only polling company in the world but actually want Corbyn out for political reasons rather than genuine concerns he won't win and use this to push this line.
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Id like to see what he could do at the top level now. He might well be found out as unsuited for it. But it's a shame for him that just as his loyalty and energy have, one would think, have earned him a promotion in gratitude from May, she and the Tories are and could be on their last legs respectively.
This is not something that I particularly want but it is so obviously the answer to the current impasse that I wish we would just get on with it. If enough Labour MPs said that they would vote for the deal if there was a CU, and it is high on their wish list, May could go back to Brussels, add that to the political declaration and the deal could pass. Those who would oppose it are already voting no so little, if anything, would be lost.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 agreeableness 88 out of 100 conscientiousness 79 out of 100 negative emotionality 29 out of 100 extraversion 63 out of 100
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Id like to see what he could do at the top level now. He might well be found out as unsuited for it. But it's a shame for him that just as his loyalty and energy have, one would think, have earned him a promotion in gratitude from May, she and the Tories are and could be on their last legs respectively.
Why the hell did she not make him Brexit Secretary instead of, eh, what's his name? He has been doing all the work despite not even having the appointment.
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Id like to see what he could do at the top level now. He might well be found out as unsuited for it. But it's a shame for him that just as his loyalty and energy have, one would think, have earned him a promotion in gratitude from May, she and the Tories are and could be on their last legs respectively.
He has rather unwisely nailed his colours to May's creaking mast so he'll probably get fucked off to the back benches by whatever lich manages to take control of the tories after her.
I think there is some truth in that article but to pretend that there isnt a lot of unhappiness with the EU in Britain as well is, I think, overly simplistic.
A very well written argument. "It is time to move on from the pretence that the problem with British democracy is the EU and to recognise that it is with itself." Indeed.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Id like to see what he could do at the top level now. He might well be found out as unsuited for it. But it's a shame for him that just as his loyalty and energy have, one would think, have earned him a promotion in gratitude from May, she and the Tories are and could be on their last legs respectively.
Why the hell did she not make him Brexit Secretary instead of, eh, what's his name? He has been doing all the work despite not even having the appointment.
Maybe she wants to give him something else. Although frankly the idea shed get her deal passed and also have enough authority to sack anyone to give him something is risible.
And as leak happy and two faced as some are, and lazy about supporting the deal they nominally back, hard to sack a cabinet minister who didn't flounder out
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
I always feel there is something faintly phoney about Rory Stewart. I know it is probably petty, but I really don't like theway he says "Briddish" instead of British, as though he thinks it makes him sound a little less posh
3. The years fly by faster as you age: remember how time crawled for the six years you were in secondary school? And now think of the last six years that you’ve walked the corridors of power like a king. They’ve passed a lot faster haven’t they?
openness to experience 96 out of 100 agreeableness 88 out of 100 conscientiousness 79 out of 100 negative emotionality 29 out of 100 extraversion 63 out of 100
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Id like to see what he could do at the top level now. He might well be found out as unsuited for it. But it's a shame for him that just as his loyalty and energy have, one would think, have earned him a promotion in gratitude from May, she and the Tories are and could be on their last legs respectively.
He has rather unwisely nailed his colours to May's creaking mast so he'll probably get fucked off to the back benches by whatever lich manages to take control of the tories after her.
It's so unwise I can only conclude he genuinely believes it.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Why the hell did she not make him Brexit Secretary instead of, eh, what's his name? He has been doing all the work despite not even having the appointment.
RS was (and probably still is) a remainer and thereby deemed unsuitable to occupy the office of Lord High Brexit Panjandrum.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
tim wasn't worth listening to as a "farmer" on here. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
Tim was sharp and very caustic. Ironically though Osborne was actually pretty good. With hindsight. Tim played the “how awful Osborne is”, around 2012 when it started to look a bit ropey. But in the years following many of his measures have shown to have been the right thing.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
Given that you're responsible for upholding our standards...tut tut!
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
I went to university in New England, and lobster was occasionally on the menu.. a full lobster
Lobster loses some of its cachet when you go to a New England McDonalds serving the McLobster Roll!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 agreeableness 88 out of 100 conscientiousness 79 out of 100 negative emotionality 29 out of 100 extraversion 63 out of 100
This is not something that I particularly want but it is so obviously the answer to the current impasse that I wish we would just get on with it. If enough Labour MPs said that they would vote for the deal if there was a CU, and it is high on their wish list, May could go back to Brussels, add that to the political declaration and the deal could pass. Those who would oppose it are already voting no so little, if anything, would be lost.
As an added bonus Liam Fox's Cabinet post would be abolished.
I've generally been in favour of a compromise that pleases no-one, but there are times when I wonder whether the downsides of such compromises outweigh the upsides. Maybe the choice really is between No Deal and Remain.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
Fun quiz, and I recognise the result for me with some qujite drastic scores. I suspect all the responses err on the side of being nice to the respondent:
openness to experience 33 out of 100 ("a little uncomfortably far left or right")
agreeableness 96 out of 100 ("The highly agreeable aren’t merely the people feeding the hungry and building community — they’re often the ones leading the organizations that do those things. ")
conscientiousness 58 out of 100 ("There are benefits and drawbacks to people on both ends of the spectrum, but if we had to choose a roommate, we’d pick you — someone in the middle.")
negative emotionality 0 out of 100 ("You whistle while you work, even if the rest of the office is glaring into their fourth cup of coffee. ")
extraversion 46 out of 100 ("Being in the middle ain’t so bad, really.")
0 out of 100 for self awareness, maybe, but these are my scores
Openness to experience 100 out of 100 Agreeableness 79 out of 100 Conscientiousness 54 out of 100 Negative emotionality 0 out of 100 Extraversion 33 out of 100
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
Given that you're responsible for upholding our standards...tut tut!
Autocorrect while typing one handed walking down the street ...
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
Fun quiz, and I recognise the result for me with some qujite drastic scores. I suspect all the responses err on the side of being nice to the respondent:
openness to experience 33 out of 100 ("a little uncomfortably far left or right")
agreeableness 96 out of 100 ("The highly agreeable aren’t merely the people feeding the hungry and building community — they’re often the ones leading the organizations that do those things. ")
conscientiousness 58 out of 100 ("There are benefits and drawbacks to people on both ends of the spectrum, but if we had to choose a roommate, we’d pick you — someone in the middle.")
negative emotionality 0 out of 100 ("You whistle while you work, even if the rest of the office is glaring into their fourth cup of coffee. ")
extraversion 46 out of 100 ("Being in the middle ain’t so bad, really.")
0 out of 100 for self awareness, maybe, but these are my scores
Openness to experience 100 out of 100 Agreeableness 79 out of 100 Conscientiousness 54 out of 100 Negative emotionality 0 out of 100 Extraversion 33 out of 100
Probably the way I answered the questions. We're all likely to be similar. We're on PB because we're deep thinkers and we're on PB because we're NOT well organised and getting on with our tasks.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.
Whilst I don't really like the guy on twitter that's harsh.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
Given that you're responsible for upholding our standards...tut tut!
Autocorrect while typing one handed walking down the street ...
Autocorrect - last refuge of the rogue and scoundrel!
Apparently very open indeed to new experiences (98) mildly agreeable (58) extrovert (57) and low negative emotionality (17). Can’t remember my conscientiousness score, which probably tells you all youneed to know on that.
“People with high openness also do well in careers that involve investigation and discovery. They might become scientists, lawyers or investigative journalists — basically weaponizing their intellectual curiosity and willingness to try new things and explore new ideas.”
But am at risk of substance abuse, apparently, which is one thing I’ve never been attracted to. I can go weeks without drinking alcohol, for heaven’s sake.
I wonder which MP will propose it as the consequences of the vote would be highly interesting - the downside is that whoever does it has the blood of removing No Deal on their hands...
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
On here people tend to go largely on the most recent poll as Gospel. Pretty stupid for a supposedly sophisticated group. I'd say the parties are virtually level pegging.
Openness to experience 100 out of 100 Agreeableness 92 out of 100 Conscientiousness 83 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 71 out of 100
Isnt it the case that Labour are ahead in the polls if you strip out Yougov? This suggests it is a house effect and give that Yougov didn't make a particularly great account of themselves in May-June 2017 I'm not sure how anyone is looking at the polls in the round and concluding that the Tories are ahead.
YouGov got GE2017 bang on.
Its constituency model which it hasn't been replicating did.
Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
On here people tend to go largely on the most recent poll as Gospel. Pretty stupid for a supposedly sophisticated group. I'd say the parties are virtually level pegging.
I don't think Con+5 to Lab+3 changes the narrative very much. Neither would result in a significant change in the constitution of the House
I'm sure I've done a big 5 personality test before and it used to be neuroticism rather than negative emotionality. Not many questions but the results don't surprise me too much!
Because we realise that the freedom we enjoy as Europeans today has in many ways been built and defended by the British people, we want Britons to know that we respect their choice. And should Britain wish to leave the European Union for good, it will always have friends in Germany and Europe. But Britons should equally know that we believe that no choice is irreversible. Our door will always remain open: Europe is home.
Britain has become part of who we are as Europeans. And therefore we would miss Britain. We would miss the legendary British black humour and going to the pub after work hours to drink an ale. We would miss tea with milk and driving on the left-hand side of the road. And we would miss seeing the panto at Christmas. But more than anything else, we would miss the British people — our friends across the Channel. We would miss Britain as part of the European Union, especially in these troubled times. Therefore Britons should know: from the bottom of our hearts, we want them to stay.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
When I click the link I see results, but I'm not sure if they are the results I got when I did the test precipitously, or your results Robert. Could you paste your numerical results in?
This is not something that I particularly want but it is so obviously the answer to the current impasse that I wish we would just get on with it. If enough Labour MPs said that they would vote for the deal if there was a CU, and it is high on their wish list, May could go back to Brussels, add that to the political declaration and the deal could pass. Those who would oppose it are already voting no so little, if anything, would be lost.
As an added bonus Liam Fox's Cabinet post would be abolished.
I've generally been in favour of a compromise that pleases no-one, but there are times when I wonder whether the downsides of such compromises outweigh the upsides. Maybe the choice really is between No Deal and Remain.
May needs 116 additional votes without losing any of those she originally had. That is a seriously big number. Whichever way she jumps she needs to be sure that side can deliver the 116. I think that the no dealers are a bit short and the risk of further defections are too high. The Customs Unioners or Andrex Brexiteers, are a much better bet so that is the way she should go.
As I have said many times it is not so much the WA, it is the relationship with the EU going forward that is in play. I think signing and implementing the WA gives us a better start to that than either no deal (obviously) or even being deeply disgruntled and bad tempered remainers.
Osborne wasn’t worth listening to as Chancellor. Not sure why anyone would want to listen to him now.
It's not really Osborne, but a sharp-tongued centre-left commentator, "tim", who despised Osborne and dislikes Corbyn. He used to feud here with SeanT regularly until Sean intrusively published tim's real-life name (Sean has apologised), after which tim's partner asked him to stop posting here.
tim was of course a prince amongst posters, very sensible left wing, funny, incisive and acute (you are very lucky, for example, Nick that he is no longer posting here). SeanT was jealous so broke the 4th wall, so to speak.
I was convinced he was Alistair Campbell. Maybe I was wrong.
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
“A” complaint. So one person didn’t like it and now no-one else can have it? What happened to, “if you don’t like it, you don’t have to eat it. Skip it or ask for an alternative choice.” Universities are supposed to be about new experience, exploring yourself and going slightly outside your comfort zone.
I suspect it’s clickbait anyway. Such a story gets the name of this “Baroness” into the headlines with the words “change the culture” and so will make her feel she’s doing something and that she’s being recognised for it, even though I’d argue whoever advised her that it was a very bad tip.
Article suggests it wasn't even a complaint. One person expressed "bemusement"
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
“A” complaint. So one person didn’t like it and now no-one else can have it? What happened to, “if you don’t like it, you don’t have to eat it. Skip it or ask for an alternative choice.” Universities are supposed to be about new experience, exploring yourself and going slightly outside your comfort zone.
I suspect it’s clickbait anyway. Such a story gets the name of this “Baroness” into the headlines with the words “change the culture” and so will make her feel she’s doing something and that she’s being recognised for it, even though I’d argue whoever advised her that it was a very bad tip.
Article suggests it wasn't even a complaint. One person expressed "bemusement"
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
Fun quiz, and I recognise the result for me with some qujite drastic scores. I suspect all the responses err on the side of being nice to the respondent:
openness to experience 33 out of 100 ("a little uncomfortably far left or right")
agreeableness 96 out of 100 ("The highly agreeable aren’t merely the people feeding the hungry and building community — they’re often the ones leading the organizations that do those things. ")
conscientiousness 58 out of 100 ("There are benefits and drawbacks to people on both ends of the spectrum, but if we had to choose a roommate, we’d pick you — someone in the middle.")
negative emotionality 0 out of 100 ("You whistle while you work, even if the rest of the office is glaring into their fourth cup of coffee. ")
extraversion 46 out of 100 ("Being in the middle ain’t so bad, really.")
0 out of 100 for self awareness, maybe, but these are my scores
Openness to experience 100 out of 100 Agreeableness 79 out of 100 Conscientiousness 54 out of 100 Negative emotionality 0 out of 100 Extraversion 33 out of 100
Probably the way I answered the questions. We're all likely to be similar. We're on PB because we're deep thinkers and we're on PB because we're NOT well organised and getting on with our tasks.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
openness to experience 67 out of 100 agreeableness 29 out of 100 conscientiousness 71 out of 100 negative emotionality 42 out of 100 extraversion 4 out of 100
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
“A” complaint. So one person didn’t like it and now no-one else can have it? What happened to, “if you don’t like it, you don’t have to eat it. Skip it or ask for an alternative choice.” Universities are supposed to be about new experience, exploring yourself and going slightly outside your comfort zone.
I suspect it’s clickbait anyway. Such a story gets the name of this “Baroness” into the headlines with the words “change the culture” and so will make her feel she’s doing something and that she’s being recognised for it, even though I’d argue whoever advised her that it was a very bad tip.
Article suggests it wasn't even a complaint. One person expressed "bemusement"
Very popular here in Spain but not an upper class dish. The baroness is as thick as ... well, ..a tentacle .
Yeah, 'cause Somerville served octopus ALL THE TIME.
I can see why people might object to octopus - I know I would pass on that option. But not because it represents privilege - just because I don't want to eat things with suckers.
Experiencing new things is part of going to university. Some you will want to take up, some you won't. But just limiting things to your existing comfort zone is not the right way to approach things.
By trying to appear progressive, Somerville are just looking slightly patronising. There are bigger fish to fry - so to speak.
“A” complaint. So one person didn’t like it and now no-one else can have it? What happened to, “if you don’t like it, you don’t have to eat it. Skip it or ask for an alternative choice.” Universities are supposed to be about new experience, exploring yourself and going slightly outside your comfort zone.
I suspect it’s clickbait anyway. Such a story gets the name of this “Baroness” into the headlines with the words “change the culture” and so will make her feel she’s doing something and that she’s being recognised for it, even though I’d argue whoever advised her that it was a very bad tip.
Article suggests it wasn't even a complaint. One person expressed "bemusement"
Very popular here in Spain but not an upper class dish. The baroness is as thick as ... well, ..a tentacle .
The baroness probably thinks instead of octopus they should serve more mainstream dishes like calamari.
Hello all. Odd sensation this morning - a tremendous rush of both empathy and sympathy for those people, and there are many, who truly and passionately believe that we have a brighter future outside the European Union. Yes, those cats, the Hard Brexiteers.
Because the Irish Backstop, what it does is it ties Northern Ireland into the Customs Union and the Single Market - the Norway Plus arrangement - and thus assuming that the integrity of our Kingdom is a genuine red line, i.e. no border in the Irish Sea, it forces the whole of the UK into that same regime. And by force, I mean force, it is not some airy fairy political 'commitment' it is in the Withdrawal Treaty and therefore is LAW.
I don't know why people like Nick Boles are running around pushing Norway Plus as an alternative to TM's deal. TM's deal is Norway Plus. Anything bar Norway Plus is inconsistent with the Withdrawal Treaty. No, we can put it more strongly than this. The Treaty effectively prohibits by law any significantly looser arrangement.
Now calling a spade a spade - that being in both the Customs Union AND the Single Market is not in any meaningful sense Brexit - what do we conclude?
That TM's deal is not only not Brexit but that it makes Brexit ILLEGAL.
How many of the 17m who voted Leave in 2016 were voting to make leaving the EU illegal? Very few I would hazard. How many of the ERG wish to see the thing they have fought for all of their political lives becoming impossible? Surely none. Not even the really thick ones. It's a nonsense.
Well, maybe if you'd got on with managing your business better and spending less time sticking your oar in about Brexit...? (Ryanair's problems nothing to do with Brexit.)
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
Given that you're responsible for upholding our standards...tut tut!
Autocorrect while typing one handed walking down the street ...
I guess what you were doing with your other hand was quite important.
Hello all. Odd sensation this morning - a tremendous rush of both empathy and sympathy for those people, and there are many, who truly and passionately believe that we have a brighter future outside the European Union. Yes, those cats, the Hard Brexiteers.
Because the Irish Backstop, what it does is it ties Northern Ireland into the Customs Union and the Single Market - the Norway Plus arrangement - and thus assuming that the integrity of our Kingdom is a genuine red line, i.e. no border in the Irish Sea, it forces the whole of the UK into that same regime. And by force, I mean force, it is not some airy fairy political 'commitment' it is in the Withdrawal Treaty and therefore is LAW.
I don't know why people like Nick Boles are running around pushing Norway Plus as an alternative to TM's deal. TM's deal is Norway Plus. Anything bar Norway Plus is inconsistent with the Withdrawal Treaty. No, we can put it more strongly than this. The Treaty effectively prohibits by law any significantly looser arrangement.
Now calling a spade a spade - that being in both the Customs Union AND the Single Market is not in any meaningful sense Brexit - what do we conclude?
That TM's deal is not only not Brexit but that it makes Brexit ILLEGAL.
How many of the 17m who voted Leave in 2016 were voting to make leaving the EU illegal? Very few I would hazard. How many of the ERG wish to see the thing they have fought for all of their political lives becoming impossible? Surely none. Not even the really thick ones. It's a nonsense.
C'mon Theresa. Stop taking the mickey.
The WA is temporary (excluding the perspective of paranoiacs); Norway wouldn't be. And the WA is probably significantly cheaper.
It would be interesting to see other PBers scores.
I wasn't asked about Goldsmith!
openness to experience 96 out of 100 Agreeableness 75 out of 100 Conscientiousness 67 out of 100 Negative emotionality 17 out of 100 Extraversion 67 out of 100
So, basically, we're pretty similar, except that - probably just as well in a doctor - you're a little more conscientious than I am.
Sometimes I smile when I see someone just miss the train I'm on. I don't know what that says about me.
Mwhahahaha.
Given that your responsible for building our railways...!
Given that you're responsible for upholding our standards...tut tut!
Autocorrect while typing one handed walking down the street ...
I guess what you were doing with your other hand was quite important.
Which one is Charles (my money on the bobble hat and duffle coat into the fountain).
a) what would be the UK's annual fee to be within it?
b) what is the process for leaving it at a later date?
c) 'a' or 'the' ?
Whichever MPs are going to sign us up to.....
It is not exactly a trivial difference. And 'a customs union', as opposed to 'The Customs Union' requires a great deal of further definition. And the latter is simply not on offer without signing up to much else.
The WA is temporary (excluding the perspective of paranoiacs); Norway wouldn't be. And the WA is probably significantly cheaper.
But the effect of the WA (via the Backstop) is permanent.
If one accepts the imperatives of no border in Ireland and no border in the Irish Sea, the Future Relationship has to be Customs Union and Single Market, i.e. not Brexit in the eyes of any Brexiteer worth their salt.
Cannot see how they can be expected to support it.
Transporting ourselves into their heads, I mean, if one can risk doing that for a second.
a) what would be the UK's annual fee to be within it?
b) what is the process for leaving it at a later date?
c) 'a' or 'the' ?
Whichever MPs are going to sign us up to.....
It is not exactly a trivial difference. And 'a customs union', as opposed to 'The Customs Union' requires a great deal of further definition. And the latter is simply not on offer without signing up to much else.
My worry is that most MPs won't have given thought to either concern, just looking for a quick "get me outta here!" option...
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Its regular polling which it is doing didn't.
If we wanted to go on who got the 2017 election we'd use survation.
For some reason, beyond me, YouGov seems to be the only one that counts.
Quite delightfully petty.
More likely all are suspect at the moment because both sides could not maintain their stance on their main policy at an election - Tories due to division, labour due to needing to come off the fence - so who knows howd they react.
Whilst clinging to YouGov polls might make people feel better there is a chance they aren't correct and every other pollster wrong however much that annoys Corbyn critics.
It is the Corbyn critics that ignore everything but YouGov and then say see Corbyn is x amount of points behind and clearly losing.
If we were stupid enough to fall for it we would already agree with them surely?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46843631
No doubt the Spectator's looking-glass logic would produce the syllogism:
Brexit may disrupt medical supplies.
There are already problems with medical supplies.
Brexit won't make any difference.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/18/home-office-refuses-to-let-great-grandparents-remain-in-uk
Actually, I increasingly feel the words "of this" are superfluous.
Although I am terribly cynical that people like Tim aren't genuinely idiots that believe that YouGov is the only polling company in the world but actually want Corbyn out for political reasons rather than genuine concerns he won't win and use this to push this line.
96 out of 100
agreeableness
88 out of 100
conscientiousness
79 out of 100
negative emotionality
29 out of 100
extraversion
63 out of 100
No idea what it all means
Agreeableness 83
Conscientiousness 67
Negative emotion 8
Extraversion 58
Conclusion “I love my life”
And as leak happy and two faced as some are, and lazy about supporting the deal they nominally back, hard to sack a cabinet minister who didn't flounder out
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/foodanddrink/a-potted-history-of-the-oyster-in-london-a3082696.html
I've generally been in favour of a compromise that pleases no-one, but there are times when I wonder whether the downsides of such compromises outweigh the upsides. Maybe the choice really is between No Deal and Remain.
Openness to experience
100 out of 100
Agreeableness
79 out of 100
Conscientiousness
54 out of 100
Negative emotionality
0 out of 100
Extraversion
33 out of 100
“People with high openness also do well in careers that involve investigation and discovery. They might become scientists, lawyers or investigative journalists — basically weaponizing their intellectual curiosity and willingness to try new things and explore new ideas.”
But am at risk of substance abuse, apparently, which is one thing I’ve never been attracted to. I can go weeks without drinking alcohol, for heaven’s sake.
Fiona Bruce is also excellent - nobody misses Dimbers in the slightest.
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1086180708069064704
I wonder which MP will propose it as the consequences of the vote would be highly interesting - the downside is that whoever does it has the blood of removing No Deal on their hands...
100 out of 100
Agreeableness
92 out of 100
Conscientiousness
83 out of 100
Negative emotionality
17 out of 100
Extraversion
71 out of 100
Openness 96%
Agreeableness 75%
Conscientiousness 50%
Negative Emotionality 79%
Extraversion 17%
Nice to see I'm not too middle of the road.
I wasn't convinced, and apparently neither are the Germans:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/18/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-merkels-probable-successor-and-other-leading-germans-urge-uk-to-change-its-mind-and-stay-politics-live
Sir, Without your great nation, this continent would not be what it is today: a community defined by freedom and prosperity. After the horrors of the second world war, Britain did not give up on us. It has welcomed Germany back as a sovereign nation and a European power. This we, as Germans, have not forgotten and we are grateful.
Because we realise that the freedom we enjoy as Europeans today has in many ways been built and defended by the British people, we want Britons to know that we respect their choice. And should Britain wish to leave the European Union for good, it will always have friends in Germany and Europe. But Britons should equally know that we believe that no choice is irreversible. Our door will always remain open: Europe is home.
Britain has become part of who we are as Europeans. And therefore we would miss Britain. We would miss the legendary British black humour and going to the pub after work hours to drink an ale. We would miss tea with milk and driving on the left-hand side of the road. And we would miss seeing the panto at Christmas. But more than anything else, we would miss the British people — our friends across the Channel. We would miss Britain as part of the European Union, especially in these troubled times. Therefore Britons should know: from the bottom of our hearts, we want them to stay.
As I have said many times it is not so much the WA, it is the relationship with the EU going forward that is in play. I think signing and implementing the WA gives us a better start to that than either no deal (obviously) or even being deeply disgruntled and bad tempered remainers.
67 out of 100
agreeableness
29 out of 100
conscientiousness
71 out of 100
negative emotionality
42 out of 100
extraversion
4 out of 100
Because the Irish Backstop, what it does is it ties Northern Ireland into the Customs Union and the Single Market - the Norway Plus arrangement - and thus assuming that the integrity of our Kingdom is a genuine red line, i.e. no border in the Irish Sea, it forces the whole of the UK into that same regime. And by force, I mean force, it is not some airy fairy political 'commitment' it is in the Withdrawal Treaty and therefore is LAW.
I don't know why people like Nick Boles are running around pushing Norway Plus as an alternative to TM's deal. TM's deal is Norway Plus. Anything bar Norway Plus is inconsistent with the Withdrawal Treaty. No, we can put it more strongly than this. The Treaty effectively prohibits by law any significantly looser arrangement.
Now calling a spade a spade - that being in both the Customs Union AND the Single Market is not in any meaningful sense Brexit - what do we conclude?
That TM's deal is not only not Brexit but that it makes Brexit ILLEGAL.
How many of the 17m who voted Leave in 2016 were voting to make leaving the EU illegal? Very few I would hazard. How many of the ERG wish to see the thing they have fought for all of their political lives becoming impossible? Surely none. Not even the really thick ones. It's a nonsense.
C'mon Theresa. Stop taking the mickey.
a) what would be the UK's annual fee to be within it?
b) what is the process for leaving it at a later date?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46916389
And the WA is probably significantly cheaper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYgTM1pPjKQ
And the latter is simply not on offer without signing up to much else.
If one accepts the imperatives of no border in Ireland and no border in the Irish Sea, the Future Relationship has to be Customs Union and Single Market, i.e. not Brexit in the eyes of any Brexiteer worth their salt.
Cannot see how they can be expected to support it.
Transporting ourselves into their heads, I mean, if one can risk doing that for a second.
Will she take it? Or will she continue to arselick the nutcases on the right?