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when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
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Democratic European Research Party. DERP.Nigel_Foremain said:
The ERG and the DUP are now the same party. Anyone any good at anagrams? You could also throw in UKIP and BNP for fun.grabcocque said:ERG & DUP are opposing all amendments to the MV, including the Swire and Murrison amendments.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/derp
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp0 -
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?0 -
But in that case no Withdrawal Treaty would be required. We would just implement the Trade Deal having got it done in the 2 years from the triggering of article 50. Seems unrealistic.AmpfieldAndy said:
Doesn’t take much to negotiate them both simultaneously and simply sign one and then the other in the EU’s desired sequencing with the effectiveness of the first conditional on signing the second.0 -
Which brings us back to the inequities of private education. There was a very interesting article in The Observer at the weekend. It's well worth a read even if you are very pro private education.FrancisUrquhart said:
Even if they are over-egging / under doing it, given past performance I can imagine there is also plenty of conscious and subconscious bias of well that’s a good school they have had loads of kids come here with top grades vs we don’t get many / any from there, could be a bit risky if they will actually get that.Foxy said:
My medical school has had this policy for some years, for undergraduate Medical Degrees. It has had an effect as private schools often over egg their predictions and state schools under do them. The extra year of maturity helps too.FrancisUrquhart said:I think I have been advocating for this as long as I have been posting on PB...disadvantaged kids would be far better off under this approach then the current “fair access” silliness.
https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/14/universities-should-give-offers-after-results-day-says-study
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jan/13/public-schools-david-kynaston-francis-green-engines-of-privilege0 -
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
thanks. so how is that any different from the G?ydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
That's what I thought. But FWIW Radio 4's 5pm programme was absolutely hyperventilating about it - the commentators said it was "extraordinary", "civil war", and much more. If I were an SNP supporter I'd be pretty cheesed off that they weren't asked to reply.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
I've incidentally always thought it odd that there's an hour of news from 5 to 6, immediately followed by half an hour of news.0 -
You could change your avatar - to Red Mullet....!Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
No Brexitmurali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?0 -
Just to add an extra layer of complexity to a General Election - the SNP splitting into two factions who won't talk to each other!NickPalmer said:
That's what I thought. But FWIW Radio 4's 5pm programme was absolutely hyperventilating about it - the commentators said it was "extraordinary", "civil war", and much more. If I were an SNP supporter I'd be pretty cheesed off that they weren't asked to reply.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
I've incidentally always thought it odd that there's an hour of news from 5 to 6, immediately followed by half an hour of news.0 -
Well, they wouldn't want to be left out, would they?MarqueeMark said:
Just to add an extra layer of complexity to a General Election - the SNP splitting into two factions who won't talk to each other!NickPalmer said:
That's what I thought. But FWIW Radio 4's 5pm programme was absolutely hyperventilating about it - the commentators said it was "extraordinary", "civil war", and much more. If I were an SNP supporter I'd be pretty cheesed off that they weren't asked to reply.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
I've incidentally always thought it odd that there's an hour of news from 5 to 6, immediately followed by half an hour of news.0 -
Maybe it's like the 24 hour news channel - recycling the same four stories in a loop to save money?NickPalmer said:
That's what I thought. But FWIW Radio 4's 5pm programme was absolutely hyperventilating about it - the commentators said it was "extraordinary", "civil war", and much more. If I were an SNP supporter I'd be pretty cheesed off that they weren't asked to reply.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
I've incidentally always thought it odd that there's an hour of news from 5 to 6, immediately followed by half an hour of news.0 -
El_Capitano said:
Democratic European Research Party. DERP.Nigel_Foremain said:
The ERG and the DUP are now the same party. Anyone any good at anagrams? You could also throw in UKIP and BNP for fun.grabcocque said:ERG & DUP are opposing all amendments to the MV, including the Swire and Murrison amendments.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/derp
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp
If you left out the DUP, you could end up with a stuttering swine, a Bunker P-pigNigel_Foremain said:
The ERG and the DUP are now the same party. Anyone any good at anagrams? You could also throw in UKIP and BNP for fun.grabcocque said:ERG & DUP are opposing all amendments to the MV, including the Swire and Murrison amendments.
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Dunno. But I didn't come up with it, so I'm not responsible for any tautologies.paulyork64 said:
thanks. so how is that any different from the G?ydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
You're assuming that they intend to act in the interest of the United Kingdom. That's not necessarily the case. The reasons why I disdain concepts like "Anglosphere", "Canzuk" is that they are abstract nouns not coterminous with the UK. If one is loyal to them one need not be loyal to the UK (which is inconveniently real and demands taxes), and in some cases one may even act against it. Couple that with English exceptionalism, the belief that distance doesn't matter, and the belief that it is better to trade with ones friends, and you see why they are acting as they are. They're not idiots: they're acting rationally. But I don't think they're acting for the people of the UK.DavidL said:I think I have done being polite. The morons in the ERG are a public menace. How they can think that we will have any kind of working relationship with the EU after spending 2 years agreeing what our liabilities are and then refusing to pay them, agreeing the framework of a trade deal and then telling them we want to start again and how it somehow doesn't matter that their government (on paper at least) doesn't have even the beginnings of a statutory framework or preparatory work done for no deal but we should somehow barge ahead anyway.
I mean, seriously, how do they think that is going to go for us or for our relations with the EU?Idiots.0 -
Your style isn't bad, but you come across as a bit crabbed.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
Grieve and Boles and their supporters, by their actions, clearly telling the electorate that when they said they would listen to the voice of the electorate on Brexit, they didn’t mean it. Nor did they mean it when they campaigned on a manifesto commitment to exit the customs union and the Single Market.
ERG have simply been too lazy to put together a coherent plan for Brexit. May has come up with a plan that breaches her own red lines and manifesto commitments that is universally reviled.
Labour are utterly clueless on this subject as on most.
Where it all ends up is anyone’s guess. Not a great advert for British democracy though, if you can still call it democracy given the direction Grieve is reported to be heading.0 -
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.0 -
Eff Orfe.ydoethur said:
Your style isn't bad, but you come across as a bit crabbed.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.
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Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
We are but mere minnows, unlike grayling and rudd.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
I'm an old trout, I can't be putting up with all this sprattling on.ydoethur said:
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
I have a vision of Grayling deep fried, served up with some nice chips.Jonathan said:
We are but mere minnows, unlike grayling and rudd.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.
Before anyone thinks Justin or Tim/Grabcocque has hacked my account, I mean the fish!0 -
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter.ydoethur said:
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
Now you're just spinning a line.Black_Rook said:
I'm an old trout, I can't be putting up with all this sprattling on.ydoethur said:
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
It's been reclaimed. It refers to a state of mind, not matching societal or genre norms, but not so far away from them as to be rejected by the bourgeoisie. The point is to raise a frisson amongst the well-off, but not to shock them too much.ydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
Although to be honest, terms are evolving so fast it'll probably be outre again at some point.0 -
I love the idea that politicos/punters/anoraks are anxiously turning to PB as we perch on the precipice for a moment of clarity and insight, whereas all they are get is a bunch of increasingly bad fish puns, however well disguised.
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This thread is getting tilapia-dated.Casino_Royale said:
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter.ydoethur said:
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.0 -
But when??? You assume this ever ends. Perhaps we we'll get stuck in infinite A50 loop, where we are always leaving but never leave.kle4 said:
It's one way to satisfy everyone.0 -
@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes...
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And its not as if we have not had shoals of these puns before. Pretty much every time the SNP leadership is mentioned in fact.Jonathan said:I love the idea that politicos/punters/anoraks are anxiously turning to PB as we perch on the precipice for a moment of clarity and insight, whereas all they are get is a bunch of increasingly bad fish puns, however well disguised.
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All the right percentages but not necessarily in the right order:TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
60% No Brexit at the end of March
25% May's Deal
15% No Deal Brexit0 -
I'm dancing a conger.viewcode said:@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes...0 -
May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.0 -
I think I would have your 60% and 25% the other way around. At the moment no Brexit really has to be favourite.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.0 -
Snap.Benpointer said:
All the right percentages but not necessarily in the right order:TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
60% No Brexit at the end of March
25% May's Deal
15% No Deal Brexit0 -
We can always speculate unlikely MPs to be party leaders. Quick. Um, Gavin Williamson for PM! There, that's Atticus's Times column sorted...Jonathan said:I love the idea that politicos/punters/anoraks are anxiously turning to PB as we perch on the precipice for a moment of clarity and insight, whereas all they are get is a bunch of increasingly bad fish puns, however well disguised.
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I thought it was Questioning [ie people who aren't certain what their sexuality is]ydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?0 -
Well, it is rather a good opportunity, Salmond who now works for the Russians followed by Sturgeon.DavidL said:
And its not as if we have not had shoals of these puns before. Pretty much every time the SNP leadership is mentioned in fact.Jonathan said:I love the idea that politicos/punters/anoraks are anxiously turning to PB as we perch on the precipice for a moment of clarity and insight, whereas all they are get is a bunch of increasingly bad fish puns, however well disguised.
But maybe we should just can them.0 -
I am not sure OGH has enough bandwidth to start listing all of May's tremendous tactical mistakes.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.0 -
Thinking she could cash in her Queen of Brexit act for a big majority. It makes all of her posturing about representing the will of the people versus parliament look ridiculous.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
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True. Though I'd argue [given the totemic nature the backstop has become] that was the biggest but far from the only one.DavidL said:
I am not sure OGH has enough bandwidth to start listing all of May's tremendous tactical mistakes.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
She really was a terrible choice.0 -
Well, that put me in my plaice...ydoethur said:
I'm dancing a conger.viewcode said:@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes... 0 -
The wisdom of the pb crowd.viewcode said:@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes...0 -
Indeed I'd make that her second biggest flaw.williamglenn said:
Thinking she could cash in her Queen of Brexit act for a big majority. It makes all of her posturing about representing the will of the people versus parliament look ridiculous.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
Though the two were related. Throwing away her majority was bad enough, having to rely upon the DUP was bad enough ... throwing away her majority, having to rely upon the DUP then being arrogant enough to cut the DUP out of negotiations on the Irish border and assume she could ram through a deal those she relied upon opposed ... that was madness.0 -
By End March
34% May's deal *
33% No deal default **
33% Delay ***
* through some as yet unidentified dubious technical instrument or some highly dangerous act of brinkmanship
** by the ERG disrupting parliament.
***probably to serve a GE.0 -
Fish go off quickly. Perhaps we should put the puns on ice.Jonathan said:I love the idea that politicos/punters/anoraks are anxiously turning to PB as we perch on the precipice for a moment of clarity and insight, whereas all they are get is a bunch of increasingly bad fish puns, however well disguised.
And to be honest, giventhe total fucking idiocy, inanity, lack of knowledge, drunkenness, posturing and dishonesty we're getting from our politicians at the moment, fish puns are grown up by comparison.0 -
We've already had that one and repeats make me eel.viewcode said:
Well, that put me in my plaice...ydoethur said:
I'm dancing a conger.viewcode said:@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes...0 -
I was talking to a Westminster friend an hour ago and they were quite pessimistic.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
Says the Stop No Deal Brexit coalition is fracturing between those that favour pivoting to Norway and those who want another plebiscite.0 -
I learn something new every day. Thank you.Philip_Thompson said:
I thought it was Questioning [ie people who aren't certain what their sexuality is]ydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
It Flounder-ed some time ago.williamglenn said:
This thread is getting tilapia-dated.Casino_Royale said:
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter.ydoethur said:
Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.Black_Rook said:
Enough of this codswallop sir! Know your plaice.ydoethur said:
We're just trying to reduce the tench-un.Polruan said:
The penultimate day of the withdrawal agreement debate is no time for cheerful matters like fish puns. We should delay tilapia times.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.0 -
Is that a song by Black Plaice?ydoethur said:
I'm dancing a conger.viewcode said:@Casino_Royale @ydoethur
...Is that your sole contribution? If so it's a tartar.
I’m going to skate this whole bit of banter...
That actually scans and rhymes...0 -
Since one of those options isn't available and the other would probably provoke a no-deal Brexit, that has the appearance of two monks fighting over a month's supply of the pill.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was talking to a Westminster friend an hour ago and they were quite pessimistic.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
Says the Stop No Deal Brexit coalition is fracturing between those that favour pivoting to Norway and those who want another plebiscite.0 -
About time we had a Sun headline:Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed I'd make that her second biggest flaw.williamglenn said:
Thinking she could cash in her Queen of Brexit act for a big majority. It makes all of her posturing about representing the will of the people versus parliament look ridiculous.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
Though the two were related. Throwing away her majority was bad enough, having to rely upon the DUP was bad enough ... throwing away her majority, having to rely upon the DUP then being arrogant enough to cut the DUP out of negotiations on the Irish border and assume she could ram through a deal those she relied upon opposed ... that was madness.
"HAS MAY GONE MAD?"0 -
2 nuns surely? Wears the soap.ydoethur said:
Since one of those options isn't available and the other would probably provoke a no-deal Brexit, that has the appearance of two monks fighting over a month's supply of the pill.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was talking to a Westminster friend an hour ago and they were quite pessimistic.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
Says the Stop No Deal Brexit coalition is fracturing between those that favour pivoting to Norway and those who want another plebiscite.0 -
No, two monks. Even if they win, it's useless.dixiedean said:
2 nuns surely? Wears the soap.ydoethur said:
Since one of those options isn't available and the other would probably provoke a no-deal Brexit, that has the appearance of two monks fighting over a month's supply of the pill.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was talking to a Westminster friend an hour ago and they were quite pessimistic.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
Says the Stop No Deal Brexit coalition is fracturing between those that favour pivoting to Norway and those who want another plebiscite.0 -
Indeed so. It's one reason the MV should never have been pulled since it is being lost anyway, and at least the 'going back to the EU' stage to ask for more would have been done then with the proof from May that parliament would not back it. Not that it would affect the EU's position any, but it would cut out the argument, still seen, that despite begging for it to be taken out or at least legally time limited, the EU are still not budging only because we have not said no firmly enough yet.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.0 -
I'm surprised that they're not considering an attempt at negotiating a Norwayesque settlement and then holding a BINO vs Remain vote after that (with revocation held in reserve just in case the EU27 can't or won't all agree to extend.)TheScreamingEagles said:
I was talking to a Westminster friend an hour ago and they were quite pessimistic.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
Says the Stop No Deal Brexit coalition is fracturing between those that favour pivoting to Norway and those who want another plebiscite.0 -
At the very beginning I thought that was quite plausible. May could have set up endless domestic hurdles to triggering A50 and given herself a long list of political 'enemies' to 'fight' against in her quest to honour the referendum.kle4 said:0 -
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.0 -
So somebody else has said upthread, but when I was researching various forms of subculture I was told it was Queer.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
It puzzled me and it still does, but as I am not gay it didn't really seem either important or my problem.
Incidentally, was that a deliberate pun?0 -
Cod! That’s a red herring.Jonathan said:
Hmm I need a good fish pun. I will have to mullet over.MarqueeMark said:
Fish puns! Brill......ydoethur said:
Surely a catfish fight?Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1084755578436624384
Is this actually liable to escalate into some kind of crisis or is it just the media hyperventilating? The idea of Salmond and Sturgeon getting into a full-scale catfight with one another seems somewhat improbable, though then again what do I know?
But I think they're just carping at each other.
Entertaining though it would be to see the SNP implode over a sex scandal, I hope it doesn't happen just yet. Nicola should farm him out to the DUP or something.0 -
I've seen it both ways.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
Edit: Not a joke by the way, though it sounds like one0 -
Not without being better prepared. May is like the ERG - she had no idea of what she wanted or where she wanted to end up when she triggered it. She has just taken what the EU gave her and ignored trade altogether.kle4 said:
Had she gone for a trade deal from the start, it would have been a more painful start but she’d have ended up in a much better place.0 -
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.0 -
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Too much information...kle4 said:
I've seen it both ways.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
Edit: Not a joke by the way, though it sounds like one0 -
Didn't a former PM once say something about "banging on about Europe"?0
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The Tory party just aren't what they were. They can't even organise a decent coup these days.kle4 said:
Where is the party of Duncan Smith, Hague, Major, Thatcher, Heath, Home, Eden, Chamberlain, Lloyd George (sort of) Austen Chamberlain, Balfour and Bentinck when you need it?!!0 -
Well, having banged it hard, we're all screwed.volcanopete said:Didn't a former PM once say something about "banging on about Europe"?
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The problem is that most of the MPs who are terrified of No Deal and who would probably like to stay in the EU are in the opposition benches - and it would take a government to stop Brexit.Black_Rook said:
SO...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thinking about the chances I make itBlack_Rook said:
More likely No Brexit...murali_s said:Evening folks!
No Brexit or No Deal - what will it be?
https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1084859849735852032
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084880122040254470
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1084881144934473729
The more May digs her heels in, the more likely that some kind of ramshackle Parliamentary coalition will be patched together by desperate pro-EU MPs to stop Brexit, one would've thought.
Of course, No Deal is the current default position, and it's still possible if no majority can be assembled to defeat May once and for all.
60% No Deal Brexit
15% A Deal is agreed (be it Mrs May’s deal or a variation thereof) and Parliament accepts it.
25% No Brexit at the end of March, either through extension/revocation of A50 or a new plebiscite.
Most MPs hate the Deal (liable to be defeated by a landslide tomorrow)
Most MPs are terrified of No Deal
Most MPs would probably like to stay in the EU
And yet you reckon it's very likely that No Deal happens anyway - presumably because, even though they think it's disastrous, they're incapable of doing anything else?
If that's how it pans out, would this qualify as the most useless Parliament ever?
If the government benches were shaped by your maths this would be easy. But stopping Brexit now would probably worse than decimate the Tory Party.0 -
They must not have been looking very carefully if they thought parliament would back whatever she brought back.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.0 -
I honestly thought it would. I thought Parliament would be too terrified of no deal not to do so. I was wrong.Stereotomy said:
They must not have been looking very carefully if they thought parliament would back whatever she brought back.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.0 -
If the CJEU had not come up with that ludicrous ruling, Parliament still would. Because there wouldn't be the false hope (and it is a false hope, unfortunately) that if this deal falls we'll stay in.Philip_Thompson said:
I honestly thought it would. I thought Parliament would be too terrified of no deal not to do so. I was wrong.Stereotomy said:
They must not have been looking very carefully if they thought parliament would back whatever she brought back.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.
Which makes me wonder who or what was leaning on them, bluntly. They came up with a recipe for total chaos based upon a twisted reading of non-existent words that no sane person would have thought appropriate (although that qualification probably lets out the advocate general and the CJEU, of course).0 -
The ECJ decision may have had a big impact. While the ERG and other leavers would have seen the decision be much closer if the deal had been more to their liking, with many remainer MPs backing it as they do currently, the fear tactics took a big hit among remainers knowing that they had the ultimate out to fall back on.Philip_Thompson said:
I honestly thought it would. I thought Parliament would be too terrified of no deal not to do so. I was wrong.Stereotomy said:
They must not have been looking very carefully if they thought parliament would back whatever she brought back.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.0 -
Naturallyydoethur said:
So somebody else has said upthread, but when I was researching various forms of subculture I was told it was Queer.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
It puzzled me and it still does, but as I am not gay it didn't really seem either important or my problem.
Incidentally, was that a deliberate pun?0 -
I'm still wondering if May is just going to do a Douglas Reynholm exit 30 seconds after the vote tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxVivkXUfdU
I mean, not literally, just out of the British political scene.0 -
You lost me a bit after "May has made one tremendous tactical mistake..."Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Only one mistake??0 -
Nigel Dodds of the DUP on the television just now talking about the Deal. He is looking and sounding implacable in his opposition to it.
If the word implacable did not exist we would have to invent it in order to describe the way that Nigel Dodds of the DUP is looking and sounding.0 -
I must say I find Nigel Dodds's voice very relaxing.0
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There are occasionally two Qs, in which case both Queer and Questioning are represented. If there's only one I believe it's for Queer, by convention.Charles said:
Naturallyydoethur said:
So somebody else has said upthread, but when I was researching various forms of subculture I was told it was Queer.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
It puzzled me and it still does, but as I am not gay it didn't really seem either important or my problem.
Incidentally, was that a deliberate pun?0 -
Charles said:
Naturallyydoethur said:
So somebody else has said upthread, but when I was researching various forms of subculture I was told it was Queer.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
It puzzled me and it still does, but as I am not gay it didn't really seem either important or my problem.
Incidentally, was that a deliberate pun?
In the US, the list of abbreviations includes both Qs - queer and questioning. I have not done the course, so please don't ask me to define eitherydoethur said:
Too much information...kle4 said:
I've seen it both ways.Charles said:
I thought it was Questioning ie can’t make up your f****** mindydoethur said:
Queer.paulyork64 said:
when we were at LGBTI I spotted that we only needed an E for them to be GIBLETs. not sure how Q got in there or what it means TBH.FrancisUrquhart said:
Playing with fire there son...you miss off any of that and somebody loses their shit and calls you transphobic etc.kle4 said:On initialisms, surely we need something in place of LGBTIQ+? It was not pronounceable back when it was only 4 letters, but much more than that and it is clunky to sound out each character.
I'm surprised it's survived, given its rather homophobic overtones.
Edit: Not a joke by the way, though it sounds like one0 -
He didn't say it was the only mistake, just that there was one tremendous one. The others have been incredible, outstanding, gut wrenching, and so on and so forth.Benpointer said:
You lost me a bit after "May has made one tremendous tactical mistake..."Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Only one mistake??0 -
I'd have made Nigel Dodds and Arlene Foster part of the negotiating team from day 1.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.
Though we 'd still be stuck with twats like Guto Bebb and Andrew Bridgen.0 -
Fair pointkle4 said:
He didn't say it was the only mistake, just that there was one tremendous one. The others have been incredible, outstanding, gut wrenching, and so on and so forth.Benpointer said:
You lost me a bit after "May has made one tremendous tactical mistake..."Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Only one mistake??0 -
The weird thing is this deal seems to be very popular in Northern Ireland and especially among the DUP's own supporters.Sean_F said:
I'd have made Nigel Dodds and Arlene Foster part of the negotiating team from day 1.Philip_Thompson said:
Currently Parliament hasn't yet rejected the deal and the PM is still backing it. Plus I think once they agreed it with May they assumed Parliament would back it and by that point had put their eggs in this basket.Stereotomy said:
I don't understand this argument that anyone could have made the EU back down if it was clear they were serious about rejecting the backstop. Isn't parliament making it clear right now that it's rejecting the backstop? And the EU aren't budging.Philip_Thompson said:May has made one tremendous tactical mistake which is why she will lose her deal.
She should have from the start made it clear that any Irish solution needed an all-Irish approval. Not just the government of Ireland (and the EU) and the government of the UK agreeing, but the parties of Northern Ireland represented foremost by the DUP as the largest party (but Sinn Fein etc too). In other words give the DUP a veto on a deal.
Barnier never took May seriously. Harder to do with Arlene Foster.
Had it been a case from the start that any Irish solution needed the DUP on board then by now when we're voting by definition the DUP would be on board. But not just the DUP, without their concerns its hard to see many Tories being concerned with a backstop that the Irish parties unanimously have agreed to.
Had the DUP had crystal clear veto rights from the beginning the negotiations would have gone differently. May by making it clear she would sign absolutely anything (combined with the assumption Parliament would back whatever she signed) left them with a blank cheque.
Though we 'd still be stuck with twats like Guto Bebb and Andrew Bridgen.0 -
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1084900458219610113
It looks like even the whips are revolting...0
