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Join the discussion while it happens here. I’ve little doubt it will cause controversy and maybe shape perceptions of what happened. It, of course, comes at the most critical time for the Government as it desperately tries to secure the agreement of the Commons on the Brexit deal.
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Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?0
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I spend enough time on Brexit as it is. I'll be watching feel good stuff instead.0
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I will need to skip it... I have some paint drying that I need to keep an eye on
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One point often made about the Remain side is that it was almost entirely negative, but the coda is that even when it tried to be positive, it apologised so much it did Leave's job for it. We know the EU is rubbish but it's not quite as scary as the big bad world out there; always keep tight hold of nurse, kind of thing. It will be interesting to see if the programme reflects that.
The counter charge often made is that yes, Leave was positive, but its positive vision relied on a complete disregard of the facts.0 -
It's why the oft quoted reason for leaving the EU - that the EU is uninterested in reform - is a bad reason to leave.FF43 said:
To be clear, I think the UK has something to offer the EU. I agree with Alastair that Brexit is the EU's loss in that respect. I point out that EU members genuinely disagree on how the EU should be reformed so they stick with the status quo as the compromise that everyone can live with. The British saying the EU isn't interested in reform and it is bad, is neither perceptive nor useful.kle4 said:
The EU talk a good game on reform, then sneer and whine at 'populists' and moan about the UK not understanding them (the reverse is apparently never true). If they could live up to their dream it would be ok, but they clearly do not mean it when they talk about reform in any meaningful sense. They way they talk about opponents of further integration, and the concerns they have, once the heat dies down shows that.FF43 said:
All EU members agree the EU needs reform. They don't agree what that reform should be. The British think reform is what they decide it to be and everyone else is backward for not doing what the British tell them to do. Cameron's speech and your comment are typical of this assumption.david_herdson said:
This is where the discussion went wrong. Cameron's Bloomberg Speech was not about demanding concessions from Europe as if it was a zero-sum game; it was about reforming the EU to work in everyone's interests, not just whether 'Inners' or 'Outers', or Eurozone members or not (i.e. national membership positions) but the public as well. That aspiration ended up being dropped, which is how it ended up turning into the kind of concessionfest that inevitably put the EU's backs up and delivered insubstantial benefits options.
As soon as the debate became about 'exceptionalism', it headed down a wrong path.
Which is fine if that is truly what they want. It's better for them if we are not in there messing about.
That the EU doesn't work for us and we're better off on our own might be an OK reason however. It sets a context and considers the consequence.0 -
They benefit from being the classic sixth stage of a project:DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
Enthusiasm
Disillusionment
Panic
Search for the guilty
Punishment of the innocent
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Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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You're right, OGH, the play was spellbinding, but, to be nitpicky, it was called "This House".0
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National interests can change.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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One leads to the other.FF43 said:
It's why the oft quoted reason for leaving the EU - that the EU is uninterested in reform - is a bad reason to leave.FF43 said:
To be clear, I think the UK has something to offer the EU. I agree with Alastair that Brexit is the EU's loss in that respect. I point out that EU members genuinely disagree on how the EU should be reformed so they stick with the status quo as the compromise that everyone can live with. The British saying the EU isn't interested in reform and it is bad, is neither perceptive nor useful.kle4 said:
The EU talk a good game on reform, then sneer and whine at 'populists' and moan about the UK not understanding them (the reverse is apparently never true). If they could live up to their dream it would be ok, but they clearly do not mean it when they talk about reform in any meaningful sense. They way they talk about opponents of further integration, and the concerns they have, once the heat dies down shows that.FF43 said:
All EU members agree the EU needs reform. They don't agree what that reform should be. The British think reform is what they decide it to be and everyone else is backward for not doing what the British tell them to do. Cameron's speech and your comment are typical of this assumption.david_herdson said:
This is where the discussion went wrong. Cameron's Bloomberg Speech was not about demanding concessions from Europe as if it was a zero-sum game; it was about reforming the EU to work in everyone's interests, not just whether 'Inners' or 'Outers', or Eurozone members or not (i.e. national membership positions) but the public as well. That aspiration ended up being dropped, which is how it ended up turning into the kind of concessionfest that inevitably put the EU's backs up and delivered insubstantial benefits options.
As soon as the debate became about 'exceptionalism', it headed down a wrong path.
Which is fine if that is truly what they want. It's better for them if we are not in there messing about.
That the EU doesn't work for us and we're better off on our own might be an OK reason however. It sets a context and considers the consequence.0 -
I'll be watching the docudrama about shocking criminal behaviour.
Manhunt. I mean Manhunt.0 -
But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.kle4 said:
National interests can change.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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Just about to start, Cumberbatch's portrayal of Cummings is said to be uncanny0
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Good thing is its ripe for a sequel when we know what the hell ultimately happened with Brexit.0
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They can. She's not there yet. She might be in a few weeks, despite claims to the contrary. Personally I don't have a problem if, deep down, she still thinks we should have remained. But nor do I if she thinks that, but also thinks that the result requires we leave rather than be abandoned because it has gotten hard.Fenman said:
But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.kle4 said:
National interests can change.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
And frankly the argument that people have changed their minds and that's why we need another one is one of the worst arguments for it, because they can change their minds again, and reveals that people only care about the people when they will give the right result. One is needed because parliament will fail to decide, not for any other reason.0 -
Manhunt for me too.0
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More brexit. No thanks. interview with Jonathan haidt for me.0
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True. Parliament could also ignore the referendum result on that basis. (Difficult though).kle4 said:
They can. She's not there yet. She might be in a few weeks, despite claims to the contrary. Personally I don't have a problem if, deep down, she still thinks we should have remained. But nor do I if she thinks that, but also thinks that the result requires we leave rather than be abandoned because it has gotten hard.Fenman said:
But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.kle4 said:
National interests can change.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
And frankly the argument that people have changed their minds and that's why we need another one is one of the worst arguments for it, because they can change their minds again, and reveals that people only care about the people when they will give the right result. One is needed because parliament will fail to decide, not for any other reason.0 -
She is preparing us for a no deal.Brexitkle4 said:
National interests can change.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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Half-baked: what Greggs’ vegan sausage roll says about Brexit Britain
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/07/greggs-vegan-sausage-roll-brexit-britain-culture-wars
Not sure what to say....0 -
Liverpool out of the cup0
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Didn’t watch it and it was Liverpool reserve team, but wolves are very impressive team that plays some lovely football.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool out of the cup
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Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool out of the cup
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Hopefully!tlg86 said:
Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool out of the cup
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I have spent several hours over the weekend delving into the PB archives for the week following Theresa May's election announcement. I was particularly struck by the Panelbase Poll carried out in Scotland and published on 23rd April 2017. The effect on many contributors was pretty orgasmic - SNP 44% Con 33% Lab 13% LD 5%. Just over 6 weeks later the outcome was SNP 36.9% Con 28.6% Lab 27.1% LD 6.8%.
Labour actually did very well to more than double its vote share over such a short period.0 -
It will be a terrible shame if they don’t end up winning any silverware this season...absolutely terrible.tlg86 said:
Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool out of the cup
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Hannan having a twitter prolapse.0
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And the pope is still catholic....Theuniondivvie said:Hannan having a twitter prolapse.
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Surely most potential viewers will be recording it so that they can zip through the adverts?0
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I think we should have a referendum on this, with three options: Raise, Lower, Remain, er, stay the same.dr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
And it should be conducted under AV.
If only there was a PB figure with an interest in such matters who could write a thread header to start campaigning for it.0 -
I wonder, whether are the purest Little Englanders born? Is it Lima? Or is it New York? Or is it only the native New Yorkers of Turkish/German ancestry?Theuniondivvie said:Hannan having a twitter prolapse.
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Presumably the seqel will be based on Shippers' Fall Out.solarflare said:Good thing is its ripe for a sequel when we know what the hell ultimately happened with Brexit.
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I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-467370130 -
I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.0
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I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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That's right, he is: Leave.williamglenn said:
I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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So far this is the first Channel Four programme which is not biased to Remain.0
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I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you0 -
Or start posting on PB during the ads. Like this.Benpointer said:Surely most potential viewers will be recording it so that they can zip through the adverts?
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I'm Labour Leave, but crushing the Tories is waaaay more important than whether we Brexit or not.williamglenn said:
I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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Like watching In Which We Serve.SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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It's certainly with us all at the moment.SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !0 -
Jaywick!!
Will isam feature?0 -
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !
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Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)Benpointer said:
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !0 -
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
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The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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tlg86 said:
Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool out of the cup
Compare and contrast with Man City in this competition...and we've got a semi final on Thursday...
You have to love Pep..he is head and shoulders above anyone else..0 -
I understand the position that one should gain knowledge even if unpleasant, and there is a duty to find out the facts. So I should be watching Sherlock Brexit. But I really can't raise the energy. Can some kind soul who is watching it please tell me if there's anything in it that isn't in "All-out War"?0
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Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal?Alanbrooke said:
Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)Benpointer said:
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now ! 0 -
Was that the one where she said she'd like to be able to ignore the European Court of Justice?FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
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iSam is more of a Havering kind of blokeSandyRentool said:Jaywick!!
Will isam feature?
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Completely off topic (sorry) but this article is fascinating.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/dec/30/children-leukaemia-mel-greaves-microbes-protection-against-disease
Yet another indicator that we are raising children in environments that are too clean.0 -
The Phantom Brexit!ExiledInScotland said:
The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500sSunil_Prasannan said:
Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal?Alanbrooke said:
Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)Benpointer said:
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !0 -
Now that could well come true!Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Phantom Brexit!ExiledInScotland said:
The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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I would not know, what with being blocked by him.Theuniondivvie said:Hannan having a twitter prolapse.
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Rogue 117?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Phantom Brexit!ExiledInScotland said:
The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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You're not missing much.Alistair said:
I would not know, what with being blocked by him.Theuniondivvie said:Hannan having a twitter prolapse.
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Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!tyson said:
Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you0 -
They are still building stone circles in KerryAlanbrooke said:
my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500sSunil_Prasannan said:
Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal?Alanbrooke said:
Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)Benpointer said:
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now ! 0 -
Attack of the Drones?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Phantom Brexit!ExiledInScotland said:
The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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My mistake it was the one where she said we should leave the ECHR and heavily criticised the ECJ.Alistair said:
Was that the one where she said she'd like to be able to ignore the European Court of Justice?FF43 said:
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.DecrepitJohnL said:Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
The entire speech is a leadership bid pitched at Leavers that sought to undermine David Cameron's Remain message.0 -
I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.0
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54 years comrade.......on the night of our great World Cup Win in 1966...you were probably celebrating with your good lady...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!tyson said:
Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
Congrats to you both....
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Your mother was alive in the 1500s?!Alanbrooke said:
my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500sSunil_Prasannan said:
Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal?Alanbrooke said:
Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)Benpointer said:
I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan.Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !0 -
Time for wigs on the green...Alanbrooke said:
Nonsense, look at the factsBeverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
Head of state - woman
PM - woman
First minister - woman
NI FM . DfM - woman woman
no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day
disenfranchise females now !0 -
Actually married in 1964 at 20 years of age, my wife and I and my father were in wonderland at the World Cup Final, but just 3 months later our eldest son was born. So 1966 was a fantastic year followed by 52 more years, including 2 more children and four grandchildrentyson said:
54 years comrade.......on the night of our great World Cup Win in 1966...you were probably celebrating with your good lady...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!tyson said:
Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
Congrats to you both....
We are truely blessed
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That bit was rather silly - as if people didn't know the result ahead of the official announcement.0
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It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
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'Except one bullet was fired, you moronic little c*nt.'0
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I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessaryBeverley_C said:
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
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Well there's a surpriseGardenwalker said:0 -
So what happens to the euro elections?ExiledInScotland said:
Well there's a surpriseGardenwalker said:0 -
Don't worry Big_G no one's going to be taking your vote away - you might well be using it this year!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessaryBeverley_C said:
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
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Stop messing with my plans for taking over the UK...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessaryBeverley_C said:
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
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Channel 4 revert to type in the last 30 seconds of the show
'It wasn't fair!'0 -
The same AV rejected by UK voters in 2011 by 68% to 32%? That AV?ydoethur said:
I think we should have a referendum on this, with three options: Raise, Lower, Remain, er, stay the same.dr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
And it should be conducted under AV.
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Indeed - 2022 seems a long way away both at our age and in political termsBenpointer said:
Don't worry Big_G no one's going to be taking your vote away - you might well be using it this year!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessaryBeverley_C said:
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
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If it's an extension, nothing.timmo said:
So what happens to the euro elections?ExiledInScotland said:
Well there's a surpriseGardenwalker said:0 -
Going Solo - a Brexit storyPhilip_Thompson said:
Attack of the Drones?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Phantom Brexit!ExiledInScotland said:
The Last Gammon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Farts Awakens?MTimT said:
Should that be "May the Farce"?SandyRentool said:
May the farce be with you.ExiledInScotland said:
Followed by Return of the Bojo?SandyRentool said:
The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?Benpointer said:
You haven't seen the sequel yet!SandyRentool said:I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
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Sorry !!!!!Beverley_C said:
Stop messing with my plans for taking over the UK...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessaryBeverley_C said:
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.Beverley_C said:
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lostdr_spyn said:For fans of voting reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
And just past 20,000 posts . Amazing0 -
Just decided to take a look at the spreadsheet which correctly predicted how 289 out of 326 districts in England would vote at the EU referendum.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=00 -
Just saw the end . Was it all that bad?-1
