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edited January 2019 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Coming up at 2100 GMT on Channel 4 – Brexit the movie

Join the discussion while it happens here. I’ve little doubt it will cause controversy and maybe shape perceptions of what happened. It, of course, comes at the most critical time for the Government as it desperately tries to secure the agreement of the Commons on the Brexit deal.

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  • initforthemoneyinitforthemoney Posts: 736
    one
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    I spend enough time on Brexit as it is. I'll be watching feel good stuff instead.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    I will need to skip it... I have some paint drying that I need to keep an eye on :D
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    One point often made about the Remain side is that it was almost entirely negative, but the coda is that even when it tried to be positive, it apologised so much it did Leave's job for it. We know the EU is rubbish but it's not quite as scary as the big bad world out there; always keep tight hold of nurse, kind of thing. It will be interesting to see if the programme reflects that.

    The counter charge often made is that yes, Leave was positive, but its positive vision relied on a complete disregard of the facts.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    david_herdson said:



    This is where the discussion went wrong. Cameron's Bloomberg Speech was not about demanding concessions from Europe as if it was a zero-sum game; it was about reforming the EU to work in everyone's interests, not just whether 'Inners' or 'Outers', or Eurozone members or not (i.e. national membership positions) but the public as well. That aspiration ended up being dropped, which is how it ended up turning into the kind of concessionfest that inevitably put the EU's backs up and delivered insubstantial benefits options.

    As soon as the debate became about 'exceptionalism', it headed down a wrong path.

    All EU members agree the EU needs reform. They don't agree what that reform should be. The British think reform is what they decide it to be and everyone else is backward for not doing what the British tell them to do. Cameron's speech and your comment are typical of this assumption.
    The EU talk a good game on reform, then sneer and whine at 'populists' and moan about the UK not understanding them (the reverse is apparently never true). If they could live up to their dream it would be ok, but they clearly do not mean it when they talk about reform in any meaningful sense. They way they talk about opponents of further integration, and the concerns they have, once the heat dies down shows that.

    Which is fine if that is truly what they want. It's better for them if we are not in there messing about.
    To be clear, I think the UK has something to offer the EU. I agree with Alastair that Brexit is the EU's loss in that respect. I point out that EU members genuinely disagree on how the EU should be reformed so they stick with the status quo as the compromise that everyone can live with. The British saying the EU isn't interested in reform and it is bad, is neither perceptive nor useful.
    It's why the oft quoted reason for leaving the EU - that the EU is uninterested in reform - is a bad reason to leave.

    That the EU doesn't work for us and we're better off on our own might be an OK reason however. It sets a context and considers the consequence.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,742
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    They benefit from being the classic sixth stage of a project:

    Enthusiasm
    Disillusionment
    Panic
    Search for the guilty
    Punishment of the innocent
    Praise and honors for the non-participants
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,730
    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited January 2019
    You're right, OGH, the play was spellbinding, but, to be nitpicky, it was called "This House".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
    National interests can change.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    david_herdson said:



    This is where the discussion went wrong. Cameron's Bloomberg Speech was not about demanding concessions from Europe as if it was a zero-sum game; it was about reforming the EU to work in everyone's interests, not just whether 'Inners' or 'Outers', or Eurozone members or not (i.e. national membership positions) but the public as well. That aspiration ended up being dropped, which is how it ended up turning into the kind of concessionfest that inevitably put the EU's backs up and delivered insubstantial benefits options.

    As soon as the debate became about 'exceptionalism', it headed down a wrong path.

    All EU members agree the EU needs reform. They don't agree what that reform should be. The British think reform is what they decide it to be and everyone else is backward for not doing what the British tell them to do. Cameron's speech and your comment are typical of this assumption.
    The EU talk a good game on reform, then sneer and whine at 'populists' and moan about the UK not understanding them (the reverse is apparently never true). If they could live up to their dream it would be ok, but they clearly do not mean it when they talk about reform in any meaningful sense. They way they talk about opponents of further integration, and the concerns they have, once the heat dies down shows that.

    Which is fine if that is truly what they want. It's better for them if we are not in there messing about.
    To be clear, I think the UK has something to offer the EU. I agree with Alastair that Brexit is the EU's loss in that respect. I point out that EU members genuinely disagree on how the EU should be reformed so they stick with the status quo as the compromise that everyone can live with. The British saying the EU isn't interested in reform and it is bad, is neither perceptive nor useful.
    It's why the oft quoted reason for leaving the EU - that the EU is uninterested in reform - is a bad reason to leave.

    That the EU doesn't work for us and we're better off on our own might be an OK reason however. It sets a context and considers the consequence.
    One leads to the other.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    I'll be watching the docudrama about shocking criminal behaviour.

    Manhunt. I mean Manhunt.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
    National interests can change.
    But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,193
    Just about to start, Cumberbatch's portrayal of Cummings is said to be uncanny
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    edited January 2019
    Good thing is its ripe for a sequel when we know what the hell ultimately happened with Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Fenman said:

    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
    National interests can change.
    But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.
    They can. She's not there yet. She might be in a few weeks, despite claims to the contrary. Personally I don't have a problem if, deep down, she still thinks we should have remained. But nor do I if she thinks that, but also thinks that the result requires we leave rather than be abandoned because it has gotten hard.

    And frankly the argument that people have changed their minds and that's why we need another one is one of the worst arguments for it, because they can change their minds again, and reveals that people only care about the people when they will give the right result. One is needed because parliament will fail to decide, not for any other reason.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,622
    Manhunt for me too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited January 2019
    More brexit. No thanks. interview with Jonathan haidt for me.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    kle4 said:

    Fenman said:

    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
    National interests can change.
    But apparently not enough to justify a second referendum.
    They can. She's not there yet. She might be in a few weeks, despite claims to the contrary. Personally I don't have a problem if, deep down, she still thinks we should have remained. But nor do I if she thinks that, but also thinks that the result requires we leave rather than be abandoned because it has gotten hard.

    And frankly the argument that people have changed their minds and that's why we need another one is one of the worst arguments for it, because they can change their minds again, and reveals that people only care about the people when they will give the right result. One is needed because parliament will fail to decide, not for any other reason.
    True. Parliament could also ignore the referendum result on that basis. (Difficult though).
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1082298467643523073?s=21
    National interests can change.
    She is preparing us for a no deal.Brexit
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Half-baked: what Greggs’ vegan sausage roll says about Brexit Britain

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/07/greggs-vegan-sausage-roll-brexit-britain-culture-wars

    Not sure what to say....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    Liverpool out of the cup
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Liverpool out of the cup

    Didn’t watch it and it was Liverpool reserve team, but wolves are very impressive team that plays some lovely football.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Liverpool out of the cup

    Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Liverpool out of the cup

    Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.
    Hopefully! :lol:
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited January 2019
    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I have spent several hours over the weekend delving into the PB archives for the week following Theresa May's election announcement. I was particularly struck by the Panelbase Poll carried out in Scotland and published on 23rd April 2017. The effect on many contributors was pretty orgasmic - SNP 44% Con 33% Lab 13% LD 5%. Just over 6 weeks later the outcome was SNP 36.9% Con 28.6% Lab 27.1% LD 6.8%.
    Labour actually did very well to more than double its vote share over such a short period.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited January 2019
    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Liverpool out of the cup

    Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.
    It will be a terrible shame if they don’t end up winning any silverware this season...absolutely terrible.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,010
    Hannan having a twitter prolapse.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Hannan having a twitter prolapse.

    And the pope is still catholic....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Surely most potential viewers will be recording it so that they can zip through the adverts?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,730
    https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1082395481332957185?s=21
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think we should have a referendum on this, with three options: Raise, Lower, Remain, er, stay the same.

    And it should be conducted under AV.

    If only there was a PB figure with an interest in such matters who could write a thread header to start campaigning for it.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Hannan having a twitter prolapse.

    I wonder, whether are the purest Little Englanders born? Is it Lima? Or is it New York? Or is it only the native New Yorkers of Turkish/German ancestry?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    solarflare said:

    Good thing is its ripe for a sequel when we know what the hell ultimately happened with Brexit.

    Presumably the seqel will be based on Shippers' Fall Out.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,730
    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    williamglenn said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?
    That's right, he is: Leave.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    So far this is the first Channel Four programme which is not biased to Remain.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Benpointer said:

    Surely most potential viewers will be recording it so that they can zip through the adverts?

    Or start posting on PB during the ads. Like this.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    williamglenn said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    I thought you were on Corbyn’s team?
    I'm Labour Leave, but crushing the Tories is waaaay more important than whether we Brexit or not.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    Like watching In Which We Serve.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    It's certainly with us all at the moment.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    edited January 2019
    Jaywick!!

    Will isam feature?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Benpointer said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
    Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,890
    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,730
    https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1082404273344913408?s=21
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Liverpool out of the cup

    Strange from Klopp. If it's three days before a Champions League game in Munich, I can understand it. But they've just lost to Man City, now they've lost another game. Losing can become a habit.

    Compare and contrast with Man City in this competition...and we've got a semi final on Thursday...

    You have to love Pep..he is head and shoulders above anyone else..
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    I understand the position that one should gain knowledge even if unpleasant, and there is a duty to find out the facts. So I should be watching Sherlock Brexit. But I really can't raise the energy. Can some kind soul who is watching it please tell me if there's anything in it that isn't in "All-out War"?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,890
    Alanbrooke said:

    Benpointer said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
    Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)
    Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal? ;)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    Was that the one where she said she'd like to be able to ignore the European Court of Justice?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,890
    SandyRentool said:

    Jaywick!!

    Will isam feature?

    iSam is more of a Havering kind of bloke :)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Completely off topic (sorry) but this article is fascinating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/dec/30/children-leukaemia-mel-greaves-microbes-protection-against-disease

    Yet another indicator that we are raising children in environments that are too clean.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,890
    ExiledInScotland said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
    The Phantom Brexit!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Benpointer said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
    Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)
    Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal? ;)
    my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500s
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
    The Phantom Brexit!
    Now that could well come true!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Hannan having a twitter prolapse.

    I would not know, what with being blocked by him.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
    The Phantom Brexit!
    Rogue 117?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Alistair said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Hannan having a twitter prolapse.

    I would not know, what with being blocked by him.
    You're not missing much.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    tyson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....
    Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Alanbrooke said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Benpointer said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
    Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)
    Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal? ;)
    my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500s
    They are still building stone circles in Kerry :D:D
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
    The Phantom Brexit!
    Attack of the Drones?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited January 2019
    Alistair said:

    FF43 said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?

    Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
    Was that the one where she said she'd like to be able to ignore the European Court of Justice?
    My mistake it was the one where she said we should leave the ECHR and heavily criticised the ECJ.

    The entire speech is a leadership bid pitched at Leavers that sought to undermine David Cameron's Remain message.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    tyson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....
    Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!
    54 years comrade.......on the night of our great World Cup Win in 1966...you were probably celebrating with your good lady...

    Congrats to you both....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Alanbrooke said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Benpointer said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    I think you have missed your natural era by a few centuries Alan. :wink:
    Im from Ulster every day is the 1600s :-)
    Even in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal? ;)
    my mother was from Monaghan my cousin lives in Cavan, thats 1500s
    Your mother was alive in the 1500s?!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Alanbrooke said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    Nonsense, look at the facts

    Head of state - woman
    PM - woman
    First minister - woman
    NI FM . DfM - woman woman

    no wonder were in the shit all they do is talk about shoes all day

    disenfranchise females now !
    Time for wigs on the green...
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    AndyJS said:

    I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.

    It's very Lindsey Andersen, he of "If" and "Oh Lucky Man"....

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    tyson said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.

    It's very Lindsey Andersen, he of "If" and "Oh Lucky Man"....

    Oh Christ: that bad?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    tyson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    tyson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    Stop bragging to us here about your toyboy antics.....
    Where I went 54 years ago Macron followed !!!!
    54 years comrade.......on the night of our great World Cup Win in 1966...you were probably celebrating with your good lady...

    Congrats to you both....
    Actually married in 1964 at 20 years of age, my wife and I and my father were in wonderland at the World Cup Final, but just 3 months later our eldest son was born. So 1966 was a fantastic year followed by 52 more years, including 2 more children and four grandchildren

    We are truely blessed

  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    viewcode said:

    tyson said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.

    It's very Lindsey Andersen, he of "If" and "Oh Lucky Man"....

    Oh Christ: that bad?
    Wasn't Lindsey Anderson an ideological right-winger?


  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    https://twitter.com/georgetrefgarne/status/1082407777266552838?s=21
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    That bit was rather silly - as if people didn't know the result ahead of the official announcement.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,010
    'Except one bullet was fired, you moronic little c*nt.'
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
    I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    Gardenwalker said:

    https://twitter.com/georgetrefgarne/status/1082407777266552838?s=21

    Well there's a surprise
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    ExiledInScotland said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    https://twitter.com/georgetrefgarne/status/1082407777266552838?s=21

    Well there's a surprise
    So what happens to the euro elections?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
    I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
    Don't worry Big_G no one's going to be taking your vote away - you might well be using it this year!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
    I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
    Stop messing with my plans for taking over the UK...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Channel 4 revert to type in the last 30 seconds of the show

    'It wasn't fair!'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,890
    ydoethur said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think we should have a referendum on this, with three options: Raise, Lower, Remain, er, stay the same.

    And it should be conducted under AV.

    If only there was a PB figure with an interest in such matters who could write a thread header to start campaigning for it.
    The same AV rejected by UK voters in 2011 by 68% to 32%? That AV? :lol:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
    I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
    Don't worry Big_G no one's going to be taking your vote away - you might well be using it this year!
    Indeed - 2022 seems a long way away both at our age and in political terms
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    timmo said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    https://twitter.com/georgetrefgarne/status/1082407777266552838?s=21

    Well there's a surprise
    So what happens to the euro elections?
    If it's an extension, nothing.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MTimT said:

    SandyRentool said:

    ExiledInScotland said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Benpointer said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm enjoying the programme, but I guess the fact that my team wins is making me a non-impartial viewer.

    You haven't seen the sequel yet!
    The Brussels Empire Strikes Back?
    Followed by Return of the Bojo?
    May the farce be with you.
    Should that be "May the Farce"?
    The Farts Awakens?
    The Last Gammon?
    The Phantom Brexit!
    Attack of the Drones?
    Going Solo - a Brexit story
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,151
    edited January 2019
    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Beverley_C said:

    dr_spyn said:

    For fans of voting reform.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46737013

    I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
    I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.

    You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
    It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
    I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
    Stop messing with my plans for taking over the UK...
    Sorry !!!!!

    And just past 20,000 posts . Amazing
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just decided to take a look at the spreadsheet which correctly predicted how 289 out of 326 districts in England would vote at the EU referendum.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Just saw the end . Was it all that bad?
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