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Historically it is actually the Liberals and their predecessors the Whigs who were the party of business, merchants and traders and free trade. The Tories were the party of the monarchy and the landed gentry and at times under Joseph Chamberlain or Disraeli even outright protectionist and pro tariff. It was only with universal suffrage and when Labour overtook the Liberals the Tories became the party of business fearful of the new socialist Labour opposition and their trade union alliesSouthamObserver said:
Yes, the Conservative party's claim to be the party of patriotism and business has died quite a dramatic death over the last two years or so. The patriotism thing was always a stretch, but the Tories becoming so anti-business really is a genuine shock. I must admit to totally underestimating the swivel-eyed zealotry that existed in the Blue corner. I always thought it was largely a Red thing.Cyclefree said:
I have been in the club for some time. But I had hoped that sense would prevail. Now I've lost patience. Tories - the patriotic party: what an absolute joke!Gardenwalker said:
Welcome to the club, Cyclefree.Cyclefree said:
An agreement which she cannot get past her own party let alone the House of Commons. The EU aren't interested in reaching an agreement with Mrs May. They want an agreement with Britain.RobD said:Cyclefree said:Beverley_C said:Richard_Tyndall said:Off topic.
So the grey-suited ones need to tell her to revoke Article 50 (which ain.
Frankly,on the rest of us?
For the love of God, something as important as how we patrol our sea borders to prevent undesirables (by which I mean criminals and terrorists not some desperate Iranians) from entering the country is not dealt with as an important matter of public policy but as background to one politician's ambitions. It is pathetic. It is utterly negligent. And it is potentially dangerous for the rest of us.
So, yes, I am absolutely fucking furious with our politicians. How the fuck dare they mess with my childrens' futures because they cannot fucking grow up and behave like the fucking adults they are meant to be.
(Apologies - sometimes only swearing will do.)
Some of us have been making these points for over two years now, and called “Remoaners” and “Traitors” for our pains.
The Tory party has become utterly contemptible. Major’s coneline cock-ups look like an Augustan age of wise leadership.
In the words of Terry Thomas, they are all an absolute shower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU_HFZ2Tr00 -
I can't see tMay calling one early and LAB simply does not have the MP numbers.MarqueeMark said:
It's a brave man who thinks the next UK election will be in 2022.....HYUFD said:
The next UK general election is not due until 2022, the next US Presidential election is is 2020.MarqueeMark said:
By spring of 2020, the US Democrats might be looking at the UK rejecting Corbyn twice - and think to themselves "Old Lefties? Nah......."HYUFD said:Yet another OGH anti Bernie thread.
The fact remains Iowa and New Hampshire still vote first before other states and Sanders won New Hampshire in 2016 and lost Iowa by less than 1%. If he wins both he will almost certainly be nominee as all the momentum will be his, no candidate in post war history has won Iowa and New Hampshire and failed to be nominee.
As for Harris she is yet another California coastal liberal who would lose the rustbelt and the Electoral College, little better than Warren. O'Rourke really needed to have beaten Cruz not lost to have a chance
It is not impossible President Sanders could be elected in 2020 paving the way for PM Corbyn or vice versa.
After all UK and US politics is often in sync e.g. Wilson and LBJ, Heath and Nixon, Callaghan and Carter, Thatcher and Reagan, Bush and Major, Blair and Clinton etc0 -
You could pursue Henry de Broncker's strategy?Chris said:
Of course I am assuming that a combination of congestion at the ports and panic-buying doesn't empty the supermarket shelves immediately.Gardenwalker said:
Reassuring.Chris said:No, but seriously, only 30% of our food comes from the EU, so even in the worst case scenario it would probably be several weeks before there was any question of starvation.
If only the Brexiters had used this as a campaign message, the margin would definitely have been larger.
But even then, starvation won't affect those of us with private food stockpiles. For several weeks.0 -
Could be Boris and Trump by thenOldKingCole said:
Trump and May? Even I wouldn't put her that duplicitous.HYUFD said:
The next UK general election is not due until 2022, the next US Presidential election is is 2020.MarqueeMark said:
By spring of 2020, the US Democrats might be looking at the UK rejecting Corbyn twice - and think to themselves "Old Lefties? Nah......."HYUFD said:Yet another OGH anti Bernie thread.
The fact remains Iowa and New Hampshire still vote first before other states and Sanders won New Hampshire in 2016 and lost Iowa by less than 1%. If he wins both he will almost certainly be nominee as all the momentum will be his, no candidate in post war history has won Iowa and New Hampshire and failed to be nominee.
As for Harris she is yet another California coastal liberal who would lose the rustbelt and the Electoral College, little better than Warren. O'Rourke really needed to have beaten Cruz not lost to have a chance
It is not impossible President Sanders could be elected in 2020 paving the way for PM Corbyn or vice versa.
After all UK and US politics is often in sync e.g. Wilson and LBJ, Heath and Nixon, Callaghan and Carter, Thatcher and Reagan, Bush and Major, Blair and Clinton etc0 -
But that's the worst case scenario. (OK, apart from the worse one I mentioned.)Cicero said:
What kind of government would think that "any question of starvation" was a successful policy? The same kind of government whose incompetence has crucified business investment for the past two years and STILL cant give firm answers to critical questions... I have been waiting 2 years to know what legal framework I can use for my business and the revolving door at DExEU is no further forward than it was 12 months ago.Chris said:No, but seriously, only 30% of our food comes from the EU, so even in the worst case scenario it would probably be several weeks before there was any question of starvation.
The Conservative government is a shambolic disgrace and actually I don't trust them not to F*** up on even the simple and most basic decisions, vide this latest balls up where they have awarded a ferry contract to a bunch of extremely dubious figures with a very questionable track record.
How on God's green earth can Labour be worse than this utter shower? Answer: Blo*dy Corbyn!!
The latest drivel of the majority of Tories supporting "No deal", Look, most of them are Care Home Conservatives who think Boris Johnson is a serious politician FFS.
So while at least we can hold off starvation for a few weeks, I personally would be stocking up on canned food and shotguns.
And remember that Andrea Leadsom is already working on a plan to save us all.0 -
Plan A in the Tory Party was always that May was gone after Brexit. Unless the polls take a turn for the worse, I can see a new PM wanting to try and get a honeymoon-period majority.MikeSmithson said:
I can't see tMay calling one early and LAB simply does not have the MP numbers.MarqueeMark said:
It's a brave man who thinks the next UK election will be in 2022.....HYUFD said:
The next UK general election is not due until 2022, the next US Presidential election is is 2020.MarqueeMark said:
By spring of 2020, the US Democrats might be looking at the UK rejecting Corbyn twice - and think to themselves "Old Lefties? Nah......."HYUFD said:Yet another OGH anti Bernie thread.
The fact remains Iowa and New Hampshire still vote first before other states and Sanders won New Hampshire in 2016 and lost Iowa by less than 1%. If he wins both he will almost certainly be nominee as all the momentum will be his, no candidate in post war history has won Iowa and New Hampshire and failed to be nominee.
As for Harris she is yet another California coastal liberal who would lose the rustbelt and the Electoral College, little better than Warren. O'Rourke really needed to have beaten Cruz not lost to have a chance
It is not impossible President Sanders could be elected in 2020 paving the way for PM Corbyn or vice versa.
After all UK and US politics is often in sync e.g. Wilson and LBJ, Heath and Nixon, Callaghan and Carter, Thatcher and Reagan, Bush and Major, Blair and Clinton etc0 -
TBF, he does have a point, both geographically and politically. Having bankers say that leaving the EU would be a disaster for them was with hindsight one of Remain's less intelligent moves.AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
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Looks like Kate BeckinsaleCarlottaVance said:
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Would be a bit more convincing if so many City types had not been major donors to the Toriesydoethur said:
TBF, he does have a point, both geographically and politically. Having bankers say that leaving the EU would be a disaster for them was with hindsight one of Remain's less intelligent moves.AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Let's wait for the China slow down to bite shall we?rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Holy F***, We're doomed...Chris said:
But that's the worst case scenario. (OK, apart from the worse one I mentioned.)Cicero said:
What kind of government would think that "any question of starvation" was a successful policy? The same kind of government whose incompetence has crucified business investment for the past two years and STILL cant give firm answers to critical questions... I have been waiting 2 years to know what legal framework I can use for my business and the revolving door at DExEU is no further forward than it was 12 months ago.Chris said:No, but seriously, only 30% of our food comes from the EU, so even in the worst case scenario it would probably be several weeks before there was any question of starvation.
The Conservative government is a shambolic disgrace and actually I don't trust them not to F*** up on even the simple and most basic decisions, vide this latest balls up where they have awarded a ferry contract to a bunch of extremely dubious figures with a very questionable track record.
How on God's green earth can Labour be worse than this utter shower? Answer: Blo*dy Corbyn!!
The latest drivel of the majority of Tories supporting "No deal", Look, most of them are Care Home Conservatives who think Boris Johnson is a serious politician FFS.
So while at least we can hold off starvation for a few weeks, I personally would be stocking up on canned food and shotguns.
And remember that Andrea Leadsom is already working on a plan to save us all.0 -
The Brexiteers Tories should call in that favour at the next election. They need to have bankers all over the airwaves explaining how Corbyn's policies would make them all filthy rich.Cicero said:
Would be a bit more convincing if so many City types had not been major donors to the Toriesydoethur said:
TBF, he does have a point, both geographically and politically. Having bankers say that leaving the EU would be a disaster for them was with hindsight one of Remain's less intelligent moves.AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
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The property is staying put, but money and other stuff can move. This is my country too and I worked hard at doing my bit, helping people build businesses. I paid my taxes, helped train people and contributed time and effort to good causes.Cyclefree said:
Good for you.Beverley_C said:
I am very annoyed as well, but I think that the lunatics are in charge, so I am moving more assets abroad. The large one (that you have seen the piccie of) is being transferred to Dublin. I posted the paperwork this afternoon.Cyclefree said:
I am not resigned to it. I am bloody furious about it.Beverley_C said:
I suspect that tin-eared Tess will take us over the edge. I am resigned to No-Deal Brexit happening.Richard_Tyndall said:Off topic.
It has been interesting reading the comments from all sides this morning regarding the No Dealers.
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Whilst I don't necessarily believe the doomsday scenarios about Brexit, I do think a negotiated settlement is far better but I do fear that the Remainers and Dealers are currently in denial about the unruffled fanaticism of the No Dealers.
If ever we needed the fabled men in grey suits to tell her to stop being so bloody stupid, it's now.
My home here can't be posted abroad sadly. Other assets can. But my family are here.
And, dammit, this is my country: I don't see why lunatics should be allowed to ruin it. We are - we can be - better than that.
I cannot see how I can stop the lunatics. No matter who I vote for it seems that they are determined to screw the country over. I get no say in it. There is nowhere I can make an effective difference any more. My only hope for the UK is that Tessie takes us over the cliff and we are forced to face the world and expose the lies of nationalism and kill off the hankering nostalgia for our imperial past.
In short, we might need a bl**dy good kick up the ar*e before we make any progress at all.0 -
Has anybody told Mrs. May? Her only commitment, made on the day of the confidence vote, was to be gone before the next GE.MarqueeMark said:
Plan A in the Tory Party was always that May was gone after Brexit. Unless the polls take a turn for the worse, I can see a new PM wanting to try and get a honeymoon-period majority.MikeSmithson said:
I can't see tMay calling one early and LAB simply does not have the MP numbers.MarqueeMark said:
It's a brave man who thinks the next UK election will be in 2022.....HYUFD said:
The next UK general election is not due until 2022, the next US Presidential election is is 2020.MarqueeMark said:
By spring of 2020, the US Democrats might be looking at the UK rejecting Corbyn twice - and think to themselves "Old Lefties? Nah......."HYUFD said:Yet another OGH anti Bernie thread.
The fact remains Iowa and New Hampshire still vote first before other states and Sanders won New Hampshire in 2016 and lost Iowa by less than 1%. If he wins both he will almost certainly be nominee as all the momentum will be his, no candidate in post war history has won Iowa and New Hampshire and failed to be nominee.
As for Harris she is yet another California coastal liberal who would lose the rustbelt and the Electoral College, little better than Warren. O'Rourke really needed to have beaten Cruz not lost to have a chance
It is not impossible President Sanders could be elected in 2020 paving the way for PM Corbyn or vice versa.
After all UK and US politics is often in sync e.g. Wilson and LBJ, Heath and Nixon, Callaghan and Carter, Thatcher and Reagan, Bush and Major, Blair and Clinton etc0 -
Was that even the commitment? I thought it was not to fight an election "in 2022", leaving room to weasel out of it.MikeSmithson said:
Has anybody told Mrs. May? Her only commitment, made on the day of the confidence vote, was to be gone before the next GE.MarqueeMark said:
Plan A in the Tory Party was always that May was gone after Brexit. Unless the polls take a turn for the worse, I can see a new PM wanting to try and get a honeymoon-period majority.MikeSmithson said:
I can't see tMay calling one early and LAB simply does not have the MP numbers.MarqueeMark said:
It's a brave man who thinks the next UK election will be in 2022.....HYUFD said:
The next UK general election is not due until 2022, the next US Presidential election is is 2020.MarqueeMark said:
By spring of 2020, the US Democrats might be looking at the UK rejecting Corbyn twice - and think to themselves "Old Lefties? Nah......."HYUFD said:Yet another OGH anti Bernie thread.
The fact remains Iowa and New Hampshire still vote first before other states and Sanders won New Hampshire in 2016 and lost Iowa by less than 1%. If he wins both he will almost certainly be nominee as all the momentum will be his, no candidate in post war history has won Iowa and New Hampshire and failed to be nominee.
As for Harris she is yet another California coastal liberal who would lose the rustbelt and the Electoral College, little better than Warren. O'Rourke really needed to have beaten Cruz not lost to have a chance
It is not impossible President Sanders could be elected in 2020 paving the way for PM Corbyn or vice versa.
After all UK and US politics is often in sync e.g. Wilson and LBJ, Heath and Nixon, Callaghan and Carter, Thatcher and Reagan, Bush and Major, Blair and Clinton etc0 -
https://www.freshplaza.com/article/155723/UK-breaks-records-with-banana-imports/paulyork64 said:
thanks. didn't know that about madeira. thought most of our bananas came from the caribbean.Sean_F said:
I think most of the bananas we eat are grown in Madeira, although there are Caribbean suppliers. I don't know why tomatoes would be a problem.paulyork64 said:
why the problem obtaining bananas?Gardenwalker said:From the makers of Batshit I, Batshit II, and Batshit with a Vengeance...
https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1081208536573595651?s=21
Caribbean production has declined, we now get most from Latin America.
The supermarkets decide where the Bananas are sourced from.0 -
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In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?0 -
I understand your anger. I reached this point about a year ago and people told me I was being silly and melodramatic.Cyclefree said:Me too. And that Blue zealotry will make it increasingly likely that we will have to suffer the effects of Red zealotry as well.
Bastards, the lot of them.
The other day Matthew Parris said on the radio that he thought there was a high risk the Tory party might not exist in a year's time. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised. And it might well be a good thing if it resulted in a genuine realignment in our politics0 -
Hi Gallowgate. You OK? Don't feel you have to answer, have just been a bit concerned.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?0 -
No problem - sorry for the lack of update. I got discharged yesterday as I was due in hospital today anyway for a small procedure. I’m home now but doing okay I think. Doctors think I’m okay.ydoethur said:
Hi Gallowgate. You OK? Don't feel you have to answer, have just been a bit concerned.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?0 -
Thanks. Good news. Hope the recovery goes smoothly.Gallowgate said:
No problem - sorry for the lack of update. I got discharged yesterday as I was due in hospital today anyway for a small procedure. I’m home now but doing okay I think. Doctors think I’m okay.ydoethur said:
Hi Gallowgate. You OK? Don't feel you have to answer, have just been a bit concerned.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?0 -
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg0 -
Mr. Gate, glad to hear that
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'a stinging rebuke'williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
Banana Constitutional Monarchy!ralphmalph said:
https://www.freshplaza.com/article/155723/UK-breaks-records-with-banana-imports/paulyork64 said:
thanks. didn't know that about madeira. thought most of our bananas came from the caribbean.Sean_F said:
I think most of the bananas we eat are grown in Madeira, although there are Caribbean suppliers. I don't know why tomatoes would be a problem.paulyork64 said:
why the problem obtaining bananas?Gardenwalker said:From the makers of Batshit I, Batshit II, and Batshit with a Vengeance...
https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1081208536573595651?s=21
Caribbean production has declined, we now get most from Latin America.
The supermarkets decide where the Bananas are sourced from.0 -
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Thank you. Believe it or not my doctor thinks my body is just not used to the weight i’ve managed to put on the last few months (in a good way).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gate, glad to hear that
I’ve put on 20kg in 2-3 months.0 -
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Most borders in Europe are somewhat fuzzy, which is one reason the EU is a good idea.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
Mr. Gate, good to hear. Always nice to get an all-clear when you're worried.0
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Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg0 -
If we want to lower the quality of football played in British leagues, we will be able to.paulyork64 said:
Dutch beer isn't that great IMO. And if we Brexit we can impose a maximum overseas count on all footie clubs so the Belgian Striker can go ply his trade elsewhere.AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
Of course, not playing against high quality competition may impact the quality of British footballers going forward, and will almost certainly result in fewer British teams playing Champions League football.0 -
A lump of land in the middle of the sea is not an island? You learn something new every day.
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That tweet could have been written by John McDonnell.rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Well, most of the countries Ayoade mentions are way outside the EU.Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg0 -
what I've never understood about Ferrybridge is how, when the bridge was built, the ferry stuck around long enough for the place to be named after both of them.SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Sounds like part of the Januhairy movement.williamglenn said:
Most borders in Europe are somewhat fuzzy...Gallowgate said:
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/
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I'm fond of Henry Jackson.williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/
They are, however, complete and utter fuckwits.0 -
Have you not been to Australia?RobD said:A lump of land in the middle of the sea is not an island? You learn something new every day.
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It's a stupid point by Montgomerie. First, it was not HSBC which went bust costing us all a lot of money. And, second, the party and politicians he supports did the square root of fuck all to challenge the might of the City or to regulate it intelligently or to help all those small places over which he now weeps crocodile tears.ydoethur said:
The Brexiteers Tories should call in that favour at the next election. They need to have bankers all over the airwaves explaining how Corbyn's policies would make them all filthy rich.Cicero said:
Would be a bit more convincing if so many City types had not been major donors to the Toriesydoethur said:
TBF, he does have a point, both geographically and politically. Having bankers say that leaving the EU would be a disaster for them was with hindsight one of Remain's less intelligent moves.AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
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What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.0 -
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
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I agree entirely.williamglenn said:
Most borders in Europe are somewhat fuzzy, which is one reason the EU is a good idea.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
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I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Ted Heath was right in hindsight not to have a referendum when we went in. He thought that they were unconstitutional.Beverley_C said:
I understand your anger. I reached this point about a year ago and people told me I was being silly and melodramatic.Cyclefree said:Me too. And that Blue zealotry will make it increasingly likely that we will have to suffer the effects of Red zealotry as well.
Bastards, the lot of them.
The other day Matthew Parris said on the radio that he thought there was a high risk the Tory party might not exist in a year's time. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised. And it might well be a good thing if it resulted in a genuine realignment in our politics
It seems that the subsequent 1975 vote was only held due to ... Tony Benn. He suggested one to Harold Wilson, who adopted it because he saw that it got him out of a tight spot. Also he didn't have much time for constitutional niceties.
If we hadn't had one in 1975, it might have set a precedent, under our unwritten constitution, that no referendums should be held on decisions which parliament ratifies by a majority of >100. But I'd rather have a written constitution and PR, with clear statements of when and why a referendum is allowed.0 -
You mean a single european state?williamglenn said:
Most borders in Europe are somewhat fuzzy, which is one reason the EU is a good idea.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
Well, I had to dredge that one up from well down, but after a lot of thought I realised I could sea way to it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
I'm ferry, ferry disappointed as to the way this is going.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
Why and when did cyclists in London start going through red lights? I don't think it happens in other cities, and didn't use to happen in London until a few years ago. Maybe it's a response to aggressive drivers in the capital.TOPPING said:
I am a regular cyclist in London and I loathe those who go through red lights, ride like idiots, etc.Charles said:
I was driving through Westminster yesterday at dusk and it was very dangerous - the number of cyclists with dark clothing and no desire to stick to the rules (red lights, pedestrians, etc).FrancisUrquhart said:I would hate to have a job that deals with the public these days...
Make sure you wear a helmet and sensible clothes = you victim blaming nazi
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/04/cycling-uk-angered-by-highway-codes-victim-blaming-helmet-advice
When you combine that with traffic and risk-taking pedestrians on their phones it's very difficult and dangerous driving. Of course I'm going to try not to hit anyone, but a bit of a contribution on their side would be appreciated!
If I am at a red light, I can guarantee that 95% of every cyclist that comes to it will go straight through it.0 -
That one sank without trace.Omnium said:
I'm ferry, ferry disappointed as to the way this is going.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
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You know I think that's the worst post I've ever read on PB. Given that I've clearly seen all of my own that's a pretty amazing achievement. It's wrong on every level! You are to be congratulated, a masterpiece!ydoethur said:
Well, I had to dredge that one up from well down, but after a lot of thought I realised I could sea way to it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
It does happen in Cannock as well. Aberystwyth was pretty bad for it too ten years ago. Not sure what it's like there now.AndyJS said:
Why and when did cyclists in London start going through red lights? I don't think it happens in other cities, and didn't use to happen in London until a few years ago. Maybe it's a response to aggressive drivers in the capital.TOPPING said:
I am a regular cyclist in London and I loathe those who go through red lights, ride like idiots, etc.Charles said:
I was driving through Westminster yesterday at dusk and it was very dangerous - the number of cyclists with dark clothing and no desire to stick to the rules (red lights, pedestrians, etc).FrancisUrquhart said:I would hate to have a job that deals with the public these days...
Make sure you wear a helmet and sensible clothes = you victim blaming nazi
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/04/cycling-uk-angered-by-highway-codes-victim-blaming-helmet-advice
When you combine that with traffic and risk-taking pedestrians on their phones it's very difficult and dangerous driving. Of course I'm going to try not to hit anyone, but a bit of a contribution on their side would be appreciated!
If I am at a red light, I can guarantee that 95% of every cyclist that comes to it will go straight through it.0 -
1 USAwilliamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/
2 UK
3 China
4 France
5 Germany
Russia only 10th behind India, Australia, Canada and Japan.
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I'm disturbed to know you can read my thought processes.Omnium said:
You know I think that's the worst post I've ever read on PB. Given that I've clearly seen all of my own that's a pretty amazing achievement. It's wrong on every level! You are to be congratulated, a masterpiece!ydoethur said:
Well, I had to dredge that one up from well down, but after a lot of thought I realised I could sea way to it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I sea you have found the quay to a good pun!ydoethur said:
I gather they're bus-ting a gut to get ferries going again, does that count?Omnium said:
Did we pay many millions to the bloke there with a very long rope and a tub?ydoethur said:
What about a ferry in Ramsgate?SandyRentool said:
It is on a bus stop in Ferrybridge!rottenborough said:
Is that advert also appearing on bus stops in Mansfield?AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10812380915521740800 -
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As late as the 1990s about 99.9% of drivers and cyclists would respect red lights, even if there was no other traffic around. We've seemingly become a less law-abiding country since then. I was in Chicago recently for a couple of days and it was normal there for two cars to go through after the lights changed to red. I hope we're not heading in that direction.ydoethur said:
It does happen in Cannock as well. Aberystwyth was pretty bad for it too ten years ago. Not sure what it's like there now.AndyJS said:
Why and when did cyclists in London start going through red lights? I don't think it happens in other cities, and didn't use to happen in London until a few years ago. Maybe it's a response to aggressive drivers in the capital.TOPPING said:
I am a regular cyclist in London and I loathe those who go through red lights, ride like idiots, etc.Charles said:
I was driving through Westminster yesterday at dusk and it was very dangerous - the number of cyclists with dark clothing and no desire to stick to the rules (red lights, pedestrians, etc).FrancisUrquhart said:I would hate to have a job that deals with the public these days...
Make sure you wear a helmet and sensible clothes = you victim blaming nazi
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/04/cycling-uk-angered-by-highway-codes-victim-blaming-helmet-advice
When you combine that with traffic and risk-taking pedestrians on their phones it's very difficult and dangerous driving. Of course I'm going to try not to hit anyone, but a bit of a contribution on their side would be appreciated!
If I am at a red light, I can guarantee that 95% of every cyclist that comes to it will go straight through it.0 -
Next you'll be telling us that the H and S in HSBC stands for HongKong and Shanghai.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
A confederation with shared political institutions.RobD said:
You mean a single european state?williamglenn said:
Most borders in Europe are somewhat fuzzy, which is one reason the EU is a good idea.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a ‘British nationalist’. I mearly stated that folk in the Scottish borders are no different culturally or linguistically from folk in Cumbria or Northumberland. In what ways do you think i’m wrong?williamglenn said:
Good news for British nationalists. A "think tank" has declared that the UK is the second most powerful nation in the world.Gallowgate said:FPT
In what way is it ‘utter bollox’? Your xenophobic anti-english sentiment is blinding you to the truth.malcolmg said:
Hmmmm, you listening to Land of Hope and Glory as you post that. Utter bollox.Gallowgate said:
Because the common man in Berwickshire and the common man in Northumberland are culturally and linguistically one and the same.Theuniondivvie said:What about British nationalism?
An oft heard cry from Labour Unionists during the indy ref was that Scottish independence would make family foreigners (Tony Benn & Margaret Curran spring to mind as producers of that sort of guff). Why is being a foreigner so bad, and why should a Glasgow scaffolder feel more internationalist solidarity with one from Gloucester than he would with ones from Galway or Göttingen?
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/geopoliticalcapabilityaudit/0 -
My, ah, forensic analysis of the Richard Ayoade HSBC advert has revealed he mentions 14 non-EU nations and only 8 EU nations:
Colombia
Guatemala
Costa Rica
Japan
Taiwan
America
Korea (South, presumably)
Chile
Argentina
Brazil
China
India
Mexico
Russia (Siberian)
Denmark
Germany
Sweden
Belgium
Italy
Netherlands (go Dutch)
Hungary
France0 -
Martin Wolf drew some disturbing parallels between China and Japan c. 1988.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
Yes I know, I even bank with them (of course it really expanded here by taking over Midland Bank)TheScreamingEagles said:
Next you'll be telling us that the H and S in HSBC stands for HongKong and Shanghai.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
Will Grayling be able to survive?
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I've noticed over the years, in London at least, drivers using their indicators to turn left/right less and less.AndyJS said:
As late as the 1990s about 99.9% of drivers and cyclists would respect red lights, even if there was no other traffic around. We've seemingly become a less law-abiding country since then. I was in Chicago recently for a couple of days and it was normal there for two cars to go through after the lights changed to red. I hope we're not heading in that direction.ydoethur said:
It does happen in Cannock as well. Aberystwyth was pretty bad for it too ten years ago. Not sure what it's like there now.AndyJS said:
Why and when did cyclists in London start going through red lights? I don't think it happens in other cities, and didn't use to happen in London until a few years ago. Maybe it's a response to aggressive drivers in the capital.TOPPING said:
I am a regular cyclist in London and I loathe those who go through red lights, ride like idiots, etc.Charles said:
I was driving through Westminster yesterday at dusk and it was very dangerous - the number of cyclists with dark clothing and no desire to stick to the rules (red lights, pedestrians, etc).FrancisUrquhart said:I would hate to have a job that deals with the public these days...
Make sure you wear a helmet and sensible clothes = you victim blaming nazi
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/04/cycling-uk-angered-by-highway-codes-victim-blaming-helmet-advice
When you combine that with traffic and risk-taking pedestrians on their phones it's very difficult and dangerous driving. Of course I'm going to try not to hit anyone, but a bit of a contribution on their side would be appreciated!
If I am at a red light, I can guarantee that 95% of every cyclist that comes to it will go straight through it.0 -
The Conservative Party seems to find Grayling's bottomless omnishambolic clustertwattery to be charming or something I dunno.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=210 -
Well, I used to cycle regularly from Paddington to Canary Wharf ten years ago, and there were plenty of red light jumpers then, even in the really dangerous places like Parliament Square....AndyJS said:
Why and when did cyclists in London start going through red lights? I don't think it happens in other cities, and didn't use to happen in London until a few years ago. Maybe it's a response to aggressive drivers in the capital.TOPPING said:
I am a regular cyclist in London and I loathe those who go through red lights, ride like idiots, etc.Charles said:
I was driving through Westminster yesterday at dusk and it was very dangerous - the number of cyclists with dark clothing and no desire to stick to the rules (red lights, pedestrians, etc).FrancisUrquhart said:I would hate to have a job that deals with the public these days...
Make sure you wear a helmet and sensible clothes = you victim blaming nazi
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jan/04/cycling-uk-angered-by-highway-codes-victim-blaming-helmet-advice
When you combine that with traffic and risk-taking pedestrians on their phones it's very difficult and dangerous driving. Of course I'm going to try not to hit anyone, but a bit of a contribution on their side would be appreciated!
If I am at a red light, I can guarantee that 95% of every cyclist that comes to it will go straight through it.0 -
Midland Bank is in there somewhere. A rather unpleasant strain we'd hoped had been eradicated in the late 80s.TheScreamingEagles said:
Next you'll be telling us that the H and S in HSBC stands for HongKong and Shanghai.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html
There's a lot to be learned from the component parts that make up these big institutions. RBS for example has a pretty crap heart, combined with a huge stripe of plainest grey from NatWest. Even the good bits are iffy - Coutt's for example.
Oddly today I was looking at Norda Bank. I can't see it lifting itself above its poor origins.0 -
Ummm...williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
http://www.twitter.com/goldfinchgazer/status/1081242786823843841
Edit - and it is only Channel 4. They seem to be going crazy, or perhaps I should say, crazier.0 -
Time to put "NO BANANAS OR TOMATOES" on the side of a bus.0
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Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.0 -
Thanks to the fine work of the Republican NO FUN MACHINE, I now know that AOC is *adorkable*.0
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Two stories within 48 hours which appear to be incorrect and for which they are not naming sources makes you wonder a bit what they are playing at.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
More likely though it's just gross incompetence.
When we heard these guys were going to make a fortune from taxpayers, did we realise it was going to be in profits from libel actions against a publicly owned broadcaster?0 -
What's wrong with Nordia?Omnium said:
Midland Bank is in there somewhere. A rather unpleasant strain we'd hoped had been eradicated in the late 80s.TheScreamingEagles said:
Next you'll be telling us that the H and S in HSBC stands for HongKong and Shanghai.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html
There's a lot to be learned from the component parts that make up these big institutions. RBS for example has a pretty crap heart, combined with a huge stripe of plainest grey from NatWest. Even the good bits are iffy - Coutt's for example.
Oddly today I was looking at Norda Bank. I can't see it lifting itself above its poor origins.
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More of an omnishambles than Seaborne is Channel 4 news reporting of them. It seems every night their report is wrong.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
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Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.0 -
It's cute when the PB Tories close ranks. Though why in the name of everliving heck you go out on a limb for a worthless drone-bothering ballsack like Grayling is anyone's guess.0
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Secure a supply of both and put "BANANAS and TOMATOES" alongside your grabcocque logo (well maybe not, someone elses logo) on the bus too - as if by magic you're Croesus.grabcocque said:Time to put "NO BANANAS OR TOMATOES" on the side of a bus.
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The only yellow vest I can see Rog putting on is the one he pops on for a spot of sunbathing.CarlottaVance said:
After listening to the Sam Harris podcast with the lady who is an expert in social media interference, I wonder how much the GRU have been assisting?
She was saying that the truth about Russia and US elections is that years before they had been building online communities of all sorts of different types of people, blacks, Christians, black Christians, whites, white Christians, etc etc etc, playing into the "group pride" and then they would insert some news that is against that group causing an uproar e.g. police brutality of a black man, Christians being discriminated against for being Christian, etc.0 -
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
It may be that it can't do everything and that another dredger will have to be brought in for the entrance. But that's a different matter.
In particular, thinking of all the lies you reflexively posted the other day even long after it was demonstrated to you that they were malicious fabrications, I would advise you to steer clear of this subject. You don't want to find yourself banned, summonsed or worse, both.0 -
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There’s dredging and there’s dredging though, isn’t there. For example, routine maintenance to keep things clear for small vessels may be very different to clearing/digging the seabed to enable the passage of large ferries.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
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grab-gammon?grabcocque said:It's cute when the PB Tories close ranks. Though why in the name of everliving heck you go out on a limb for a worthless drone-bothering ballsack like Grayling is anyone's guess.
gammon-coque?0 -
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts, and the men behind it have a long history of failed companies and millions of unpaid debts. Also Grayling likes them.ydoethur said:
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
I think we should assume they're a bunch of useless shysters until proven otherwise.0 -
Yes could be a problem with Trump's tariffs and Brexit tooSean_F said:
Martin Wolf drew some disturbing parallels between China and Japan c. 1988.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
Innocent until proven guilty, I'm afraid!grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts, and the men behind it have a long history of failed companies and millions of unpaid debts. Also Grayling likes them.ydoethur said:
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
I think we should assume they're a bunch of useless shysters until proven otherwise.0 -
"Nordea" (sorry) has tried to get itself more exposure. They haven't made the cut for the Eurostoxx index though. They just have the usual (savings bank) banking baggage. It's hard to move away from that, and arguably its better just to stick to it (Lloyds for example).geoffw said:
What's wrong with Nordia?Omnium said:
Midland Bank is in there somewhere. A rather unpleasant strain we'd hoped had been eradicated in the late 80s.TheScreamingEagles said:
Next you'll be telling us that the H and S in HSBC stands for HongKong and Shanghai.HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html
There's a lot to be learned from the component parts that make up these big institutions. RBS for example has a pretty crap heart, combined with a huge stripe of plainest grey from NatWest. Even the good bits are iffy - Coutt's for example.
Oddly today I was looking at Norda Bank. I can't see it lifting itself above its poor origins.0 -
Not in business it isn't. I mean Grayling may think it's okay to hand over 14 million quid to a company with the, ahem, track record of Seaborne, but people who understand the meaning of words would have done *actual* due diligence.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Innocent until proven guilty, I'm afraid!grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts, and the men behind it have a long history of failed companies and millions of unpaid debts. Also Grayling likes them.ydoethur said:
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
I think we should assume they're a bunch of useless shysters until proven otherwise.
Whatever due diligence Grayling did apparently never went as far as checking their records at companies house, or even visiting their website.0 -
They have the money to pay half a million for the dredging, and have secured funding for chartering several ferries, the deal for the first having been signed.grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts .....
Oh, and no, they haven't been paid 14 million, or indeed anything at all. They get paid when the ferries sail.
Stupid clickbait story from start to finish.
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Instantly, you are wrong again. It has three of the four things you say it hasn't got - most recently, the government contract. True, it has no boats. But then, EasyJet doesn't own most of its planes.grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts, and the men behind it have a long history of failed companies and millions of unpaid debts. Also Grayling likes them.ydoethur said:
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
I think we should assume they're a bunch of useless shysters until proven otherwise.
One of the men involved (one of the employees you said it didn't have) worked for one company that went bankrupt, apparently leaving ill-feeling behind due to a legal dispute over outstanding payments. Which is altogether different from what you've written.
Indeed, what you've written could be considered defamatory, particularly if a hair-trigger firm like Carter-Ruck got involved, the more so as your posting history suggests malice.
Can you not understand why if you can't stick to facts you shouldn't touch on these subjects? Leave it to Channel 4 to explain themselves.0 -
Which, for a company with no capital, no employees and a poor financial track record should also be raising MANY alarm bells. For anyone except Grayling, who presumably lacks the cognitive ability to be alarmed.Andrew said:
They have the money to pay half a million for the dredging, and have secured funding for chartering several ferries, the deal for the first having been signed.grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts .....
Stupid clickbait story from start to finish.0 -
He hasn't given them any money yet. Nor will he until later.grabcocque said:
Not in business it isn't. I mean Grayling may think it's okay to hand over 14 million quid to a company with the, ahem, track record of Seaborne, but people who understand the meaning of words would have done *actual* due diligence.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Innocent until proven guilty, I'm afraid!grabcocque said:
Dunno, but we're talking about a company with no money, no employees, no boats, no contracts, and the men behind it have a long history of failed companies and millions of unpaid debts. Also Grayling likes them.ydoethur said:
Why would it be the wrong one? What went wrong before?grabcocque said:
Does that invalidate either of those things? Just because the same dredger has been used before, doesn't mean it's not the wrong one. And it certainly doesn't mean Seaborne Freight isn't a joke.Andrew said:
Turns out the councillor doesn't have a clue, and the same dredger has been used there before.williamglenn said:Will Grayling be able to survive?
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1081187557919076352?s=21
Why are Channel 4 not checking their facts? Not the first time with this story.
Why would you not use a dredger and presumably crew that has done the same task in the recent past?
I think we should assume they're a bunch of useless shysters until proven otherwise.
Whatever due diligence Grayling did apparently never went as far as checking their records at companies house, or even visiting their website.
Honestly, this is getting surreal.
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And adjusted for HSBC the figures show...HYUFD said:
A global Britain whose banks are more exposed to China and its emerging downturn, added to by Trump's tariffs in April, than virtually any other western nation? The average Leaver wanted to put Britain First not make it even more dependent on investments and migration from the rest of the worldPhilip_Thompson said:
What else is new?Stark_Dawning said:
Doesn't seem particularly 'anti-Brexit' to me. Monty's screed is paranoid and unhinged.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The TV version of that advert has been around for over a year now - with Richard Ayoade no less!AlastairMeeks said:HSBC has become the latest frontline in the Brexit culture wars:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1081238091552174080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1UNaA92fg
I think Monty missed the whole Global Britain Brexit memo it seems. HSBC's ad with a plethora of non-EU references suits Global Britain quite nicely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/brexit-isn-t-our-biggest-financial-problem-it-s-the-downturn-in-china-a4030646.html0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ESHXxInoAsydoethur said:
Indeed, what you've written could be considered defamatory, particularly if a hair-trigger firm like Carter-Ruck got involved, the more so as your posting history suggests malice.0
