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Happy New Year PB.
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Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.0 -
A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?0 -
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.0 -
kle4 said:
The interim PM.Beverley_C said:
Theresa who?AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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Bungee jumping?kinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
After doing one of those what could possibly ever be stressful again?
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Mr. Kinabalu, tried vaping?0
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Drinkkinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?0 -
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes of the minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.0 -
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling. It is heading for the rocks and well deserved.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.0 -
You really have lost the plot with brexit. It is just a case of two sets of absolute donkeys talking out of their rear ends.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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Facts never were your strong point.malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling. It is heading for the rocks and well deserved.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.0 -
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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I see no meltdown. I just see Mayor Sadiq being a bit of a wanker for the sake of indulging himself; hardly a surprise.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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Better to just go clean cut or maybe patches or something but if you really can't quit and it will significantly shorten the time you have left alive then smoking weed may actually help with this, not only did I always smoke less when I did smoke weed but weed helped me cut right down to the point where I no longer smoke cigarettes but just put a tiny amount of one in with some weed and smoke barely any tobacco. This still involved an effort to do so and I slowly weaned off the tobacco by putting less and less tobacco in a roll up.kinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
Although I only now that from personal experience and then anecdotal evidence about stoners saying they smoke less when stoned nothing proven medically that I know of. Just maybe worth a shot if a quickly approaching death is the only alternative you see.0 -
Dr. Foxy/Mr. W, quite. Political leaders might want to spend more time being statesmanlike and less time trolling.
Just a wild and crazy idea.0 -
You’re arguments are incredibly tortured.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes of the minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
My support of the Union is one of the (many) reasons I voted Remain. I see no need to weaken the Union for a policy which promises to make us poorer and weaker.0 -
You are off to a flying start I see....malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling. It is heading for the rocks and well deserved.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
HNY Malcolm 0 -
At a time when we need to come together it was an unnecessary act of intimidation to brexiteers and even moderate leavers/ remainers. Divisive and not the message that shows any wisdom or desire to heal the country outside the London eliteFoxy said:
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
It just saddens me that so many politicians cannot see the likely consequences of their actions
And to be fair Alastair, it was not a few sparklers - it was 8 tons of fireworks on prime time tv0 -
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I have. Did not hit the spot, unfortunately.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Kinabalu, tried vaping?
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Your penultimate sentence contradicts your last sentence.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes of the minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.0 -
Good for you dear boy. I voted Leave so that the laws which govern me were made by MPs I elected and to give our parliament and our economy the chance to benefit by repealing some of the costly and pointless EU laws.Gardenwalker said:
You’re arguments are incredibly tortured.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pureLuckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes of the minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
My support of the Union is one of the (many) reasons I voted Remain. I see no need to weaken the Union for a policy which promises to make us poorer and weaker.0 -
...which, if the 2014 referendum is any guide, Scotland is a member of voluntarily...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship...AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
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If that’s what you think that’s your privilege. Doesn’t read that way to me.viewcode said:
Your penultimate sentence contradicts your last sentence.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes of the minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.0 -
I sympathise.kinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
Giving up cigarettes took me about half a dozen goes. It can be done, and it gets a lot easier after the first fortnight... when you start realises you’re feeling a lot fitter (even if you don’t exercise, you get a uplift of around 20% in blood oxygen capacity by cutting out the carbon monoxide exposure), and the cravings die down.
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The happiest of new years to you Malc. I trust you had a dram or two of the water of lifemalcolmg said:
You really have lost the plot with brexit. It is just a case of two sets of absolute donkeys talking out of their rear ends.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
(ducks)
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He wont !!!Nigelb said:
Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
(ducks)0 -
Great advice. Reckon that might work!Beverley_C said:Bungee jumping?
After doing one of those what could possibly ever be stressful again?
If only I were not a world class coward.0 -
I smoked a pack a day for much of my twenties, found chewing nicorette gum the best way to deal with my nicotine addiction, patches/vaping didn't work for me (though back then nobody really vaped, it was a pretty rare sight - now I understand people actually do it for fun!).kinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
Good luck kicking the habit!
On that topic - really interesting article here about how Juul (who just signed up with big tobacco) are getting kids into smoking.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/22/juul-me-twice-shame-on-you/
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Oh, thank you. I've always wanted one.AmpfieldAndy said:...If that’s what you think that’s your privilege...
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Perhaps we should let London secede from the UK? Then we can impose a blockade. Once the hungry ones have eaten the rest, they'll find there's plenty of housing. Only trying to help.
But Happy New Year to all the Remainers. I bear them no ill-will, I've been married to one for 43 years.0 -
Sadiq Khan is an elected politician. He is entitled to express his view on matters of concern to his constituents. Since fireworks were going to be lit anyway, he did so for free, and very effectively. His message will have been seen around the world.Big_G_NorthWales said:
At a time when we need to come together it was an unnecessary act of intimidation to brexiteers and even moderate leavers/ remainers. Divisive and not the message that shows any wisdom or desire to heal the country outside the London eliteFoxy said:
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
It just saddens me that so many politicians cannot see the likely consequences of their actions
And to be fair Alastair, it was not a few sparklers - it was 8 tons of fireworks on prime time tv
The real London elite has spent Christmas telling very elderly long term residents that they are at risk of deportation if they don’t shell out £65 and fill out an application form. I know which I consider more divisive.0 -
I'm not sure it's wise to call him "ducks"Nigelb said:
Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
(ducks)0 -
Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS0 -
Yikes!! I hope she is OKbigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS
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Fuck, hope she is okay man.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS0 -
That's interesting. My set-up precludes weed, but yes I can imagine how that could possibly work.TheJezziah said:Better to just go clean cut or maybe patches or something but if you really can't quit and it will significantly shorten the time you have left alive then smoking weed may actually help with this, not only did I always smoke less when I did smoke weed but weed helped me cut right down to the point where I no longer smoke cigarettes but just put a tiny amount of one in with some weed and smoke barely any tobacco. This still involved an effort to do so and I slowly weaned off the tobacco by putting less and less tobacco in a roll up.
Although I only now that from personal experience and then anecdotal evidence about stoners saying they smoke less when stoned nothing proven medically that I know of. Just maybe worth a shot if a quickly approaching death is the only alternative you see.
I'm just going to have to go cold turkey. Got to kick the actual drug, which is nicotine.
I think if I kind of glamorize the struggle to myself, if I imagine that I'm a famous but tortured musician who has to 'clean up' in order to go back on tour, then that might help.
Yes, I think it might.0 -
London should certainly secede. But why do Leavers immediately think that they should blockade a separate state? Is it some innate imperialism in them?CD13 said:Perhaps we should let London secede from the UK? Then we can impose a blockade. Once the hungry ones have eaten the rest, they'll find there's plenty of housing. Only trying to help.
But Happy New Year to all the Remainers. I bear them no ill-will, I've been married to one for 43 years.
I’m not sure what the currently heavily-subsidised regions would live off. Currently they’re essentially a remittance economy. But perhaps it’s time for them to stand on their own two feet.0 -
Mr owls,
Very sorry to hear that, it puts politics into perspective. Hope things go well.0 -
Oh goddammit, that's bad. Major sympathies, BJO.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS
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I hope Mrs BJO recovers from this latest setback quickly.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS0 -
My mum beat her smoking by spending a two weeks in Intensive Care / HDU for pneumonia. After they brought her out of the induced coma / sedatives, her body had been leeched of nicotine and all the cravings were gone. She has stayed "clean" ever since.Nigelb said:
I sympathise.kinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
Giving up cigarettes took me about half a dozen goes. It can be done, and it gets a lot easier after the first fortnight... when you start realises you’re feeling a lot fitter (even if you don’t exercise, you get a uplift of around 20% in blood oxygen capacity by cutting out the carbon monoxide exposure), and the cravings die down.
It is probably not going to be a popular method of quitting ....0 -
Mr Meeks,
"I’m not sure what the currently heavily-subsidised regions would live off."
Food. I know you're got a lot of vegans so you won't need much. You can probably grow it in your window boxes.0 -
Very sorry to hear that BJO - wishing you both all the best.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS0 -
Cold Turkey would be best, if you could take up exercise and maybe something else to take the edge off. Could do vaping on 0% nicotine because the act of smoking itself is something you miss (or I would) or there are herbal alternatives to tobacco (not weed) taste and smell crappy and they are bad for you (like tobacco) but it isn't addictive so you could pass the nicotine addiction stage whilst still getting to do the smoking action.kinabalu said:
That's interesting. My set-up precludes weed, but yes I can imagine how that could possibly work.TheJezziah said:Better to just go clean cut or maybe patches or something but if you really can't quit and it will significantly shorten the time you have left alive then smoking weed may actually help with this, not only did I always smoke less when I did smoke weed but weed helped me cut right down to the point where I no longer smoke cigarettes but just put a tiny amount of one in with some weed and smoke barely any tobacco. This still involved an effort to do so and I slowly weaned off the tobacco by putting less and less tobacco in a roll up.
Although I only now that from personal experience and then anecdotal evidence about stoners saying they smoke less when stoned nothing proven medically that I know of. Just maybe worth a shot if a quickly approaching death is the only alternative you see.
I'm just going to have to go cold turkey. Got to kick the actual drug, which is nicotine.
I think if I kind of glamorize the struggle to myself, if I imagine that I'm a famous but tortured musician who has to 'clean up' in order to go back on tour, then that might help.
Yes, I think it might.0 -
I'm going to assume you live in England. Sokinabalu said:A fair amount of health talk, I see. I guess this time of year encourages that.
Not immune myself. Drink is not my problem (or no longer a problem, I should say, it used to be a big one) but smoking is. The coffin nails. Started at age 11 and the very 1st puff agreed with me. No coughing, no choking, just a lovely warm glow inside and the desire to continue. It was like I was born to smoke.
Decades later here I am still doing it. No enjoyment now, that went long ago, but utterly hooked, both physically and psychologically.
It's a bummer. I am now of an age where the expected shortening of my lifespan due to the ghastly habit starts to matter. 12 years off 60 left seems trivial. Nothing to fret about. But 12 off 25? Yikes. Very worrying, and I do. I worry a great deal and constantly. It stresses me out.
And here's the kicker. It's funny in one sense, and in another is absolutely not. There is one thing, and one thing only, that seems to help me manage this stress.
Can you guess what it is?
1) Go to this website and type in your postcode: https://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and-advice/local-support-services-helplines
2) Get the details of your local StopSmoking clinic.
3) Contact them and ask to see somebody (if you need a referral, contact your GP).
4) Listen to what they say and do it.0 -
If London didn’t control the purse strings they’d have a better chance.They can chuck £ 2 bn more for Crossrail but still not bother to electrify rail in the North.AlastairMeeks said:
London should certainly secede. But why do Leavers immediately think that they should blockade a separate state? Is it some innate imperialism in them?CD13 said:Perhaps we should let London secede from the UK? Then we can impose a blockade. Once the hungry ones have eaten the rest, they'll find there's plenty of housing. Only trying to help.
But Happy New Year to all the Remainers. I bear them no ill-will, I've been married to one for 43 years.
I’m not sure what the currently heavily-subsidised regions would live off. Currently they’re essentially a remittance economy. But perhaps it’s time for them to stand on their own two feet.
Strange you want to continue to pay billions to the EU but do nothing for your own countrymen.0 -
Everyone needs common sense and it was a new year celebration from the UK capital representing the whole country. Khan politicised it and it was unnecessaryAlastairMeeks said:
Sadiq Khan is an elected politician. He is entitled to express his view on matters of concern to his constituents. Since fireworks were going to be lit anyway, he did so for free, and very effectively. His message will have been seen around the world.Big_G_NorthWales said:
At a time when we need to come together it was an unnecessary act of intimidation to brexiteers and even moderate leavers/ remainers. Divisive and not the message that shows any wisdom or desire to heal the country outside the London eliteFoxy said:
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
It just saddens me that so many politicians cannot see the likely consequences of their actions
And to be fair Alastair, it was not a few sparklers - it was 8 tons of fireworks on prime time tv
The real London elite has spent Christmas telling very elderly long term residents that they are at risk of deportation if they don’t shell out £65 and fill out an application form. I know which I consider more divisive.0 -
I am so sorry BJO and my wife and I send you and your good lady our love and best wishes at this difficult timebigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
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Best wishes with this.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
Its been all downhill since Tunisian attack FFS
My father in law had a non-fatal heart attack in his fifties. He is still going strong at 92.0 -
Really sorry to hear that. Hope she recovers as quickly as possible.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
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It was just another reminder that London’s mayor is an arch-mediocrity, as has been the case since 2008. Ken was dreadful for obvious reasons, but not for what he did as Mayor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Everyone needs common sense and it was a new year celebration from the UK capital representing the whole country. Khan politicised it and it was unnecessaryAlastairMeeks said:
Sadiq Khan is an elected politician. He is entitled to express his view on matters of concern to his constituents. Since fireworks were going to be lit anyway, he did so for free, and very effectively. His message will have been seen around the world.Big_G_NorthWales said:
At a time when we need to come together it was an unnecessary act of intimidation to brexiteers and even moderate leavers/ remainers. Divisive and not the message that shows any wisdom or desire to heal the country outside the London eliteFoxy said:
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
It just saddens me that so many politicians cannot see the likely consequences of their actions
And to be fair Alastair, it was not a few sparklers - it was 8 tons of fireworks on prime time tv
The real London elite has spent Christmas telling very elderly long term residents that they are at risk of deportation if they don’t shell out £65 and fill out an application form. I know which I consider more divisive.0 -
Thank you.kyf_100 said:I smoked a pack a day for much of my twenties, found chewing nicorette gum the best way to deal with my nicotine addiction, patches/vaping didn't work for me (though back then nobody really vaped, it was a pretty rare sight - now I understand people actually do it for fun!).
Good luck kicking the habit!
On that topic - really interesting article here about how Juul (who just signed up with big tobacco) are getting kids into smoking.0 -
Mr. Owls, really sorry to hear that. I hope she's ok.0
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Thank you.viewcode said:I'm going to assume you live in England. So
1) Go to this website and type in your postcode: https://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and-advice/local-support-services-helplines
2) Get the details of your local StopSmoking clinic.
3) Contact them and ask to see somebody (if you need a referral, contact your GP).
4) Listen to what they say and do it.
Perhaps 2019 is the year.0 -
Ah well I've only tried twice so hope for me yet.Nigelb said:I sympathise.
Giving up cigarettes took me about half a dozen goes. It can be done, and it gets a lot easier after the first fortnight... when you start realises you’re feeling a lot fitter (even if you don’t exercise, you get a uplift of around 20% in blood oxygen capacity by cutting out the carbon monoxide exposure), and the cravings die down.
Wish they would make it illegal to be honest. That would stop me.0 -
Whilst intellect or reality was never yoursAmpfieldAndy said:
Facts never were your strong point.malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling. It is heading for the rocks and well deserved.AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
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This current guy does not even reach donkey statusRoyalBlue said:
It was just another reminder that London’s mayor is an arch-mediocrity, as has been the case since 2008. Ken was dreadful for obvious reasons, but not for what he did as Mayor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Everyone needs common sense and it was a new year celebration from the UK capital representing the whole country. Khan politicised it and it was unnecessaryAlastairMeeks said:
Sadiq Khan is an elected politician. He is entitled to express his view on matters of concern to his constituents. Since fireworks were going to be lit anyway, he did so for free, and very effectively. His message will have been seen around the world.Big_G_NorthWales said:
At a time when we need to come together it was an unnecessary act of intimidation to brexiteers and even moderate leavers/ remainers. Divisive and not the message that shows any wisdom or desire to heal the country outside the London eliteFoxy said:
Top trolling by Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
It just saddens me that so many politicians cannot see the likely consequences of their actions
And to be fair Alastair, it was not a few sparklers - it was 8 tons of fireworks on prime time tv
The real London elite has spent Christmas telling very elderly long term residents that they are at risk of deportation if they don’t shell out £65 and fill out an application form. I know which I consider more divisive.0 -
Wishing you all the best and your wife a speedy recovery BJO.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
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The good news is that I'm good on exercise. I do loads of that.TheJezziah said:Cold Turkey would be best, if you could take up exercise and maybe something else to take the edge off. Could do vaping on 0% nicotine because the act of smoking itself is something you miss (or I would) or there are herbal alternatives to tobacco (not weed) taste and smell crappy and they are bad for you (like tobacco) but it isn't addictive so you could pass the nicotine addiction stage whilst still getting to do the smoking action.
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On this we agree, he is a twat of the first orderAmpfieldAndy said:
If London didn’t control the purse strings they’d have a better chance.They can chuck £ 2 bn more for Crossrail but still not bother to electrify rail in the North.AlastairMeeks said:
London should certainly secede. But why do Leavers immediately think that they should blockade a separate state? Is it some innate imperialism in them?CD13 said:Perhaps we should let London secede from the UK? Then we can impose a blockade. Once the hungry ones have eaten the rest, they'll find there's plenty of housing. Only trying to help.
But Happy New Year to all the Remainers. I bear them no ill-will, I've been married to one for 43 years.
I’m not sure what the currently heavily-subsidised regions would live off. Currently they’re essentially a remittance economy. But perhaps it’s time for them to stand on their own two feet.
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Not a chance Nigel, I was being nice to himNigelb said:
Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:
People who bear the Union no goodwill will certainly use Brexit to try and break up the Union but they’ll use any good excuse to attack the Union. It doesn’t mean that they’ll succeed.eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
Moreover, if the Union can only be kept intact by holding the majority hostage to the wishes ofthe minority then it’s not worth preserving.
True supporters of the Union will promote it and defend it regardless of Brexit.
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Evening G, Best wishes for A happy New Year to you and your family, hope it is a great one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He wont !!!Nigelb said:
Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
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When my eldest granddaughter was born 15 years ago my daughter told me that if I wanted to be near her I had to stop smoking. It was the kindest advice she ever gave me as I stopped in that moment, went through 3 months of purgatory, but emerged a non smoker and have not touched one since.kinabalu said:
Ah well I've only tried twice so hope for me yet.Nigelb said:I sympathise.
Giving up cigarettes took me about half a dozen goes. It can be done, and it gets a lot easier after the first fortnight... when you start realises you’re feeling a lot fitter (even if you don’t exercise, you get a uplift of around 20% in blood oxygen capacity by cutting out the carbon monoxide exposure), and the cravings die down.
Wish they would make it illegal to be honest. That would stop me.
Futhermore my practice nurse recently told me that it may just have saved my life as I developed moderate copd and smoking would have finished me off.
It is something really worth doing and my only regret is that I ever started in the first place
Good luck and be persistent
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Thanks Malc - we just need to keep taking the pillsmalcolmg said:
Evening G, Best wishes for A happy New Year to you and your family, hope it is a great one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He wont !!!Nigelb said:
Don’t lose the plot, malcolm...malcolmg said:
There is no union it is a colonial dictatorship you half witted cretinous moronic dumpling...AmpfieldAndy said:eek said:
Not quite, HYUFD is stating that the Brexit vote is likely to trigger further changes in the make up of the UK, given that 2 parts of the UK voted differently to the other 2 parts...AmpfieldAndy said:
Silly comment. You assume that Brexit is the only possible cause of either a severe recession or a break up ofthe Union. The events of 2007/8 and 2014 showed this is clearly not the case.HYUFD said:
I am sorry but No Dealers no full well the Union only stays because of the consent of all its components, if they insist on dragging Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland not only out of the EU but out of the Single Market and Customs Union too without even a transition period or trade deal with the EU, Sturgeon will inevitably call indyref2 with a good chance of winning it and if a hard border emerges in Ireland a majority would emerge for a United Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's a fantasy. The UK is plenty strong enough to disengage fully with the mechanisms of the EU and remain intact. It has withstood far worse in its time. And if it isn't, there's no point in trying to hold it together with blu tack.HYUFD said:
Well Brexit itself does not necessarily threaten the Union provided a Deal is done.
However polling in Northern Ireland shows most voters would back a United Ireland if No Deal but the Union if Remain won an EUref2 or a Deal is confirmed with the EU. Similarly some polls in Scotland see Yes get over 50% if No Deal.
No Deal could well see the UK break up leaving just England and Wales remaining, the latter having both voted Leave unlike Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland
The fact most English and Welsh polls show even voters there do not want No Deal shows how fanatical extremist No Dealers are. The Union can be broken up, the economy hit by a severe recession neither matter as long as Brexit is purer than pure
Brexit,or rather trying to thwart Brexit which the majority of the U.K. voted for, has unhinged your judgement.
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Hello G, yes but have been very moderate over Christmas / new Year period. All ythe best to you and your familyBig_G_NorthWales said:
The happiest of new years to you Malc. I trust you had a dram or two of the water of lifemalcolmg said:
You really have lost the plot with brexit. It is just a case of two sets of absolute donkeys talking out of their rear ends.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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Everything in moderation is a good maximmalcolmg said:
Hello G, yes but have been very moderate over Christmas / new Year period. All ythe best to you and your familyBig_G_NorthWales said:
The happiest of new years to you Malc. I trust you had a dram or two of the water of lifemalcolmg said:
You really have lost the plot with brexit. It is just a case of two sets of absolute donkeys talking out of their rear ends.AlastairMeeks said:
The same people who believe Britain would stoically endure major disruption to secure a no-deal Brexit are in meltdown about a few sparklers. It’s glorious.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1080042774060138496?s=21AlastairMeeks said:Happy New Year all. I must congratulate the Mayor of London on getting so much bang for his buck last night. His New Year message is getting talked about more than Theresa May’s.
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So your daughter kind of did make it illegal (for you) in a sense, didn't she.Big_G_NorthWales said:When my eldest granddaughter was born 15 years ago my daughter told me that if I wanted to be near her I had to stop smoking. It was the kindest advice she ever gave me as I stopped in that moment, went through 3 months of purgatory, but emerged a non smoker and have not touched one since.
Futhermore my practice nurse recently told me that it may just have saved my life as I developed moderate copd and smoking would have finished me off.
It is something really worth doing and my only regret is that I ever started in the first place
Good luck and be persistent.
Anyway, thank you and here's hoping.0 -
There are more than 30 stars on mayor Khan's EU flag on the Eye.
Wishful thinking.0 -
I smoked for 7 years from the time I started university until I met my wife. The last 4 years of that I was offshore and by the time I decided to quit I was on 80 a day - offshore I was smoking a packet between getting up at 4am and starting shift at 6am.kinabalu said:
That's interesting. My set-up precludes weed, but yes I can imagine how that could possibly work.TheJezziah said:Better to just go clean cut or maybe patches or something but if you really can't quit and it will significantly shorten the time you have left alive then smoking weed may actually help with this, not only did I always smoke less when I did smoke weed but weed helped me cut right down to the point where I no longer smoke cigarettes but just put a tiny amount of one in with some weed and smoke barely any tobacco. This still involved an effort to do so and I slowly weaned off the tobacco by putting less and less tobacco in a roll up.
Although I only now that from personal experience and then anecdotal evidence about stoners saying they smoke less when stoned nothing proven medically that I know of. Just maybe worth a shot if a quickly approaching death is the only alternative you see.
I'm just going to have to go cold turkey. Got to kick the actual drug, which is nicotine.
I think if I kind of glamorize the struggle to myself, if I imagine that I'm a famous but tortured musician who has to 'clean up' in order to go back on tour, then that might help.
Yes, I think it might.
The only way I could stop was simply to regard it as an act of pure willpower and stop. About 8pm on December 26th 1990 in the Queen's Head in Newark. I had said I would stop at New Year and then realised how daft that was so stopped then and there. Threw my half a packet of fags in the bin and never smoked another one. I just made a virtue of 'choice'. At all times it was my choice not to smoke. On a number of occasions I had one in my mouth but never lit it. To this day I don't regard myself as an ex-smoker, rather a smoker who chooses not to smoke.
Framed in those terms it was actually easier than I expected not to smoke. Made a right mess of my diet though.
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In a sense yes but of course I have 3 more grandchildren since and the thought of smoking near them appals mekinabalu said:
So your daughter kind of did make it illegal (for you) in a sense, didn't she.Big_G_NorthWales said:When my eldest granddaughter was born 15 years ago my daughter told me that if I wanted to be near her I had to stop smoking. It was the kindest advice she ever gave me as I stopped in that moment, went through 3 months of purgatory, but emerged a non smoker and have not touched one since.
Futhermore my practice nurse recently told me that it may just have saved my life as I developed moderate copd and smoking would have finished me off.
It is something really worth doing and my only regret is that I ever started in the first place
Good luck and be persistent.
Anyway, thank you and here's hoping.
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Mr. W, perhaps Diane Abbott did the counting?0
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So very sorry to hear that BJO. Hope she makes a full recovery.bigjohnowls said:Bad start to the New Year Mrs BJO had a heart attack this Morning.
Early signs are it wasn't a massive one but will be under observation by the Hospital for at lest a further 24hrs
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