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Never used it myself, but you yourself have pointed out that some posters can be rather tedious.Anazina said:
Oh dear – that some people would go to such lengths on an anonymous internet forum is depressing!RobD said:
Mainly fat finger stndrome. As for ignore, it wasn’t a button, rather a browser extension.Anazina said:RobD said:
A betting post? Na, that’s as off topic as it gets.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mildly amused a post in which I flagged up a potential hedge for anyone who had backed under 200 MPs supporting May's deal in the vote has been considered off-topic by someone. Assume that's fat finger syndrome.
A spot of Twitter chuntering I saw earlier today suggested that Mercedes may have made an initial misstep with the 2019 engine, but might just be silly season nonsense.
Does anyone even use the off topic button? Is this the modern manifestation of the nonexistent ignore button that some PB snowflakes used to claim to use in days of yore?
I was hoping for an extension that highlighted all references to AV and pineapple pizza, since that’s mainly why I’m here.
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The whole idea is absurd. You might just as well say that only 30% of A Level passes will be allocated to middle class children, or only 30% of places in law and medical schools will go to them, regardless of their academic scores.Richard_Tyndall said:
No I believe the standard of teaching is generally (although obviously not always) better and things like smaller class sizes and better paid teachers make a huge difference.Benpointer said:
Do you believe pupils in private schools are inherently more able?
If not, then forcing Oxbridge and others to accept only 7% of their intake from the private sector would be fair.
The point is that you are trying to deal with the issue by getting universities to pick less academically suitable students rather than dealing with the issue of lack of mobility in the general education system. It is one reason why I prefer the grammar school system.
By the time Oxbridge are looking at which students to pick it is already too late. You need to address this problem much earlier.0 -
You think it’ll pass on the first attempt?williamglenn said:
You’re going to win both.Morris_Dancer said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1071058178367021056
At the moment, my bet on the 11 December vote passing is looking heroically optimistic. The bet on a second referendum before the end of 2019 is looking a bit more promising.0 -
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
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I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:0 -
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.0 -
Mr. Glenn, not sure I see how that would work. If the deal gets passed, why would there be a second referendum?
Mr. Punter, I had equal stakes, so overall may still end up green. If there's under 200 MPs backing the deal I'll make a little there too.0 -
https://twitter.com/ManusBlessing/status/1070945448540758017David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:0 -
I can remember when we were both in Hertsmere Conservatives when she would criticise the rest of us for our reactionary opinions.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
Too many people treat politics as a pissing contest.0 -
That's before we get on to the question of nearby friendly nations in a no deal Brexit scenario...Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
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Will they change the law that we leave on March 29th 2019?RobD said:
You think it’ll pass on the first attempt?williamglenn said:
You’re going to win both.Morris_Dancer said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1071058178367021056
At the moment, my bet on the 11 December vote passing is looking heroically optimistic. The bet on a second referendum before the end of 2019 is looking a bit more promising.0 -
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad
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You are an intellectual then eh.RobD said:
Never used it myself, but you yourself have pointed out that some posters can be rather tedious.Anazina said:
Oh dear – that some people would go to such lengths on an anonymous internet forum is depressing!RobD said:
Mainly fat finger stndrome. As for ignore, it wasn’t a button, rather a browser extension.Anazina said:RobD said:
A betting post? Na, that’s as off topic as it gets.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mildly amused a post in which I flagged up a potential hedge for anyone who had backed under 200 MPs supporting May's deal in the vote has been considered off-topic by someone. Assume that's fat finger syndrome.
A spot of Twitter chuntering I saw earlier today suggested that Mercedes may have made an initial misstep with the 2019 engine, but might just be silly season nonsense.
Does anyone even use the off topic button? Is this the modern manifestation of the nonexistent ignore button that some PB snowflakes used to claim to use in days of yore?
I was hoping for an extension that highlighted all references to AV and pineapple pizza, since that’s mainly why I’m here.0 -
Looks like Friedrich Merz might beat AKK in Germany. Certainly v close0
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Pro-Brexit government aides have told Theresa May they are planning a series of resignations on Tuesday unless there are major changes to her deal, the Guardian has learned.
Mike Wood, the parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the trade secretary, Liam Fox, said he would quit his post and join leave-supporting backbenchers unless changes were made to the backstop.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/government-aides-tell-may-they-plan-to-quit-over-her-brexit-deal-mike-wood?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
Medicines travel both ways across the border as well. People on the Continent get ill too.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:0 -
I know someone who knew John Bercow in his younger days, says the transformation is mind blowing.Sean_F said:
I can remember when we were both in Hertsmere Conservatives when she would criticise the rest of us for our reactionary opinions.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
Too many people treat politics as a pissing contest.
Although he's still a pompous prick.0 -
USA and Ukraine?Pulpstar said:
That's before we get on to the question of nearby friendly nations in a no deal Brexit scenario...Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
Mr. Evershed, there was a segment on the BBC News at Ten a few nights ago indicating the UK imported something like £18bn of medicine and exported about £12bn to the EU.
No agreement whatsoever is in nobody's interest.0 -
Yep, both parties are affected but when you are in negotiation, you sometimes have to remind the other side what the consequences are for their side of particular outcomes.David_Evershed said:
Medicines travel both ways across the border as well. People on the Continent get ill too.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
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We're the ones who voted for this.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
Like thick as mince Dominic Raab who doesn't know how close Dover is to France.
The EU have said they'll do their best to ensure a supply of meds and food to the UK but the hold up will be on the UK end.0 -
RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
There’s a distinction between using something as leverage, as she is cited as suggesting, and stating consequences in order to prepare for them. The former suggests a threat to make the problem as bad as possible if we don’t get what we want, the latter simply reflects the fact that reality tends to have an anti-Brexit bias.TGOHF said:
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad0 -
Well, yes in a modern economy people like to eat stuff that isn't necessarily grown locally to them. Ireland is a net food exporter though, is it not? The UK isn't.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
They'll export plenty too though.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
If it really came to a battle of food autarky then the outcome would be different to previous centuries.0 -
Well. That should finally make her think again.TheScreamingEagles said:Pro-Brexit government aides have told Theresa May they are planning a series of resignations on Tuesday unless there are major changes to her deal, the Guardian has learned.
Mike Wood, the parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the trade secretary, Liam Fox, said he would quit his post and join leave-supporting backbenchers unless changes were made to the backstop.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/government-aides-tell-may-they-plan-to-quit-over-her-brexit-deal-mike-wood?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
So you!can’t state potential consequences if you want someone to change their mind?Polruan said:RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
There’s a distinction between using something as leverage, as she is cited as suggesting, and stating consequences in order to prepare for them. The former suggests a threat to make the problem as bad as possible if we don’t get what we want, the latter simply reflects the fact that reality tends to have an anti-Brexit bias.TGOHF said:
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad
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Some food for Ireland currently comes through Dover and then across to Holyhead or Fishguard to Ireland - so two friction borders.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/ManusBlessing/status/1070945448540758017David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:0 -
This is crazy grandstanding, the backstop can't bloody well be changed.Polruan said:
Well. That should finally make her think again.TheScreamingEagles said:Pro-Brexit government aides have told Theresa May they are planning a series of resignations on Tuesday unless there are major changes to her deal, the Guardian has learned.
Mike Wood, the parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the trade secretary, Liam Fox, said he would quit his post and join leave-supporting backbenchers unless changes were made to the backstop.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/government-aides-tell-may-they-plan-to-quit-over-her-brexit-deal-mike-wood?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
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I knew John Bercow in his younger days. And, you're right.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know someone who knew John Bercow in his younger days, says the transformation is mind blowing.Sean_F said:
I can remember when we were both in Hertsmere Conservatives when she would criticise the rest of us for our reactionary opinions.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
Too many people treat politics as a pissing contest.
Although he's still a pompous prick.0 -
Imported stuff tends to be higher value per kg/calories - so eg avocados and mangos are more expensive than spuds and turnips.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
There's a difference between sayingRobD said:
So you!can’t state potential consequences if you want someone to change their mind?Polruan said:RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
There’s a distinction between using something as leverage, as she is cited as suggesting, and stating consequences in order to prepare for them. The former suggests a threat to make the problem as bad as possible if we don’t get what we want, the latter simply reflects the fact that reality tends to have an anti-Brexit bias.TGOHF said:
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad
'You're getting too close to the ledge, you might fall off'
and
'I'm going to push you off'0 -
I wouldn’t immediately read ‘use x as leverage in negotiations’ as being the same as ‘state that x is one of the potential consequences of one’s negotiating partner’s position’ - do you think they are the same thing in this particular case?RobD said:
So you!can’t state potential consequences if you want someone to change their mind?Polruan said:RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
There’s a distinction between using something as leverage, as she is cited as suggesting, and stating consequences in order to prepare for them. The former suggests a threat to make the problem as bad as possible if we don’t get what we want, the latter simply reflects the fact that reality tends to have an anti-Brexit bias.TGOHF said:
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad0 -
But it’s the EU which insisted on a deal that is unpalatable, and those are the consequences of that deal not passing.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're the ones who voted for this.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
Like thick as mince Dominic Raab who doesn't know how close Dover is to France.
The EU have said they'll do their best to ensure a supply of meds and food to the UK but the hold up will be on the UK end.
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Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Evershed, also, higher intelligence has a high comorbidity with psychological conditions.
As shown by PB posters?0 -
For the time being, the differing visions of Leave are a lot more different from each other than different version of Remain.David_Evershed said:
We can't have a full undrstanding of what Remain means either looking 5 or 10 years ahead, unless you believe Clegg that there would be no change.TheWhiteRabbit said:People's Vote = Remain/Leave? With no more understanding than in 2016 of what Leave means?
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Okay this is just weird (and completely off topic).rpjs said:
Well, yes in a modern economy people like to eat stuff that isn't necessarily grown locally to them. Ireland is a net food exporter though, is it not? The UK isn't.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
I went looking for the import/export numbers for Irish foodstuffs and found this:
http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-10-exports/
Apparently Ireland's most valuable export product in 2017 was.... blood fractions. Worth $19.9 billion0 -
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between sayingRobD said:
So you!can’t state potential consequences if you want someone to change their mind?Polruan said:RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
There’s a distinction between using something as leverage, as she is cited as suggesting, and stating consequences in order to prepare for them. The former suggests a threat to make the problem as bad as possible if we don’t get what we want, the latter simply reflects the fact that reality tends to have an anti-Brexit bias.TGOHF said:
So in summary.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll say it again, some Leavers are mentally ill.williamglenn said:
This cancer of British Euroscepticism needs to be removed.
Using food as a deliberate weapon to starve people is a war crime.
Lock her up. LOCK HER UP.
EU threats to UK = good
Uk threats to EU = bad
'You're getting too close to the ledge, you might fall off'
and
'I'm going to push you off'0 -
Very little of this since the calling of the referendum has actually been in anyone's interest. Let alone since the referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Evershed, there was a segment on the BBC News at Ten a few nights ago indicating the UK imported something like £18bn of medicine and exported about £12bn to the EU.
No agreement whatsoever is in nobody's interest.
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Even at the cost of losing LIAM FOX’S PPS? Nothing is sacrosanct, it seems.Pulpstar said:
This is crazy grandstanding, the backstop can't bloody well be changed.Polruan said:
Well. That should finally make her think again.TheScreamingEagles said:Pro-Brexit government aides have told Theresa May they are planning a series of resignations on Tuesday unless there are major changes to her deal, the Guardian has learned.
Mike Wood, the parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the trade secretary, Liam Fox, said he would quit his post and join leave-supporting backbenchers unless changes were made to the backstop.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/government-aides-tell-may-they-plan-to-quit-over-her-brexit-deal-mike-wood?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Oh I agree. Like I say I am not condoning Patel.Pulpstar said:
They'll export plenty too though.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
If it really came to a battle of food autarky then the outcome would be different to previous centuries.0 -
The thought that trying to use it as an 'incentive' is anything but imbecilic is indeed exclusive. To Patel.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/ManusBlessing/status/1070945448540758017David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:0 -
My point is in a no deal Brexit scenario, Ireland is going to be waaaaaaaaaay more food secure than us.El_Sid said:
Imported stuff tends to be higher value per kg/calories - so eg avocados and mangos are more expensive than spuds and turnips.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
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We voted to Leave knowing No Deal is a consequence.RobD said:
But it’s the EU which insisted on a deal that is unpalatable, and those are the consequences of that deal not passing.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're the ones who voted for this.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
Like thick as mince Dominic Raab who doesn't know how close Dover is to France.
The EU have said they'll do their best to ensure a supply of meds and food to the UK but the hold up will be on the UK end.
The EU came up with a deal that avoids all of this, a deal that acceptable to our Prime Minister and leading Leavers like Michael Gove.
If we reject then this is on your head not mine.0 -
I’m totally behind the current deal!TheScreamingEagles said:
We voted to Leave knowing No Deal is a consequence.RobD said:
But it’s the EU which insisted on a deal that is unpalatable, and those are the consequences of that deal not passing.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're the ones who voted for this.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
Like thick as mince Dominic Raab who doesn't know how close Dover is to France.
The EU have said they'll do their best to ensure a supply of meds and food to the UK but the hold up will be on the UK end.
The EU came up with a deal that avoids all of this, a deal that acceptable to our Prime Minister and leading Leavers like Michael Gove.
If we reject then this is on your head not mine.
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I would rather watch BBC Parliament of an empty chamber than thatScott_P said:0 -
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.0 -
It's fine for the EU to make these threats, encouraged even, all because we deserve it for voting to leave. But if we try and do anything similar then it's absolutely outrageous.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
That's the mindset of the EU supporters unfortunately.0 -
Well done Priti Patel, I didn't think you'd ever be able to top your idiotic support for the death penalty, but you've managed it.0
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A No Deal Brexit would be very damaging for Ireland, but as I've pointed out before, it's cold comfort to damage others if you're being damaged in turn.
We have a route forward which avoids such damage.0 -
I read it as reminding them of what will happen if this thing doesn’t pass.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.0 -
To be fair to Ms Patel, her actual words as quoted by the newspaper which ran this story were:
“This paper [a UK government report] appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”
That's not a threat, it's a statement of the obvious point that No Deal is unthinkable for both sides.0 -
I’m not sure that the refusal of the Eu to change the rules of the EU to mitigate the consequences of us ceasing to be members of the EU counts as a threat, but perhaps I’m missing something.Xenon said:
It's fine for the EU to make these threats, encouraged even, all because we deserve it for voting to leave. But if we try and do anything similar then it's absolutely outrageous.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
That's the mindset of the EU supporters unfortunately.0 -
Aren't biologic drugs - a subsection of pharmaceuticals - included in that? (I could be wrong, but Ireland is a centre of pharmaceutical manufacture, so it makes sense.)Richard_Tyndall said:
Okay this is just weird (and completely off topic).rpjs said:
Well, yes in a modern economy people like to eat stuff that isn't necessarily grown locally to them. Ireland is a net food exporter though, is it not? The UK isn't.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
I went looking for the import/export numbers for Irish foodstuffs and found this:
http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-10-exports/
Apparently Ireland's most valuable export product in 2017 was.... blood fractions. Worth $19.9 billion
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Perhaps the more intelligent posters on PB can explain the following to us:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Evershed, also, higher intelligence has a high comorbidity with psychological conditions.
High intelligence: A risk factor for psychological and physiological overexcitabilities
Ruth I.KarpinskiaAudrey M.Kinase KolbabNicole A.TetreaultcThomas B.Borowski
Highlights
A potential association between a hyperbrain (high IQ) and a hyperbody was examined.
Those with high IQ had higher risk for psychological disorders (RR 1.20 - 223.08).
High IQ was associated with higher risk for physiological diseases (RR 1.84 - 4.33).
Findings lend substantial support to a hyper brain/hyper body theory.
Abstract
High intelligence is touted as being predictive of positive outcomes including educational success and income level. However, little is known about the difficulties experienced among this population. Specifically, those with a high intellectual capacity (hyper brain) possess overexcitabilities in various domains that may predispose them to certain psychological disorders as well as physiological conditions involving elevated sensory, and altered immune and inflammatory responses (hyper body). The present study surveyed members of American Mensa, Ltd. (n = 3715) in order to explore psychoneuroimmunological (PNI) processes among those at or above the 98th percentile of intelligence. Participants were asked to self-report prevalence of both diagnosed and/or suspected mood and anxiety disorders, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and physiological diseases that include environmental and food allergies, asthma, and autoimmune disease. High statistical significance and a remarkably high relative risk ratio of diagnoses for all examined conditions were confirmed among the Mensa group 2015 data when compared to the national average statistics. This implicates high IQ as being a potential risk factor for affective disorders, ADHD, ASD, and for increased incidence of disease related to immune dysregulation. Preliminary findings strongly support a hyper brain/hyper body association which may have substantial individual and societal implications and warrants further investigation to best identify and serve this at-risk population.
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Indeed, I await an extension that filters out posts that fail to include a reference to the classic action movie Die Hard.RobD said:
Never used it myself, but you yourself have pointed out that some posters can be rather tedious.Anazina said:
Oh dear – that some people would go to such lengths on an anonymous internet forum is depressing!RobD said:
Mainly fat finger stndrome. As for ignore, it wasn’t a button, rather a browser extension.Anazina said:RobD said:
A betting post? Na, that’s as off topic as it gets.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mildly amused a post in which I flagged up a potential hedge for anyone who had backed under 200 MPs supporting May's deal in the vote has been considered off-topic by someone. Assume that's fat finger syndrome.
A spot of Twitter chuntering I saw earlier today suggested that Mercedes may have made an initial misstep with the 2019 engine, but might just be silly season nonsense.
Does anyone even use the off topic button? Is this the modern manifestation of the nonexistent ignore button that some PB snowflakes used to claim to use in days of yore?
I was hoping for an extension that highlighted all references to AV and pineapple pizza, since that’s mainly why I’m here.
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Just as well you’re in America, in the event of food and med shortages it’s going to be grim for people who voted Leave.RobD said:
I read it as reminding them of what will happen if this thing doesn’t pass.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.
Everyday will become punch a leaver day.0 -
I’m shocked people haven’t actually read the quote.Richard_Nabavi said:To be fair to Ms Patel, her actual words as quoted by the newspaper which ran this story were:
“This paper [a UK government report] appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”
That's not a threat, it's a statement of the obvious point that No Deal is unthinkable for both sides.0 -
We're part of a wider community of European nations than simply 'the EU'. NATO, the UN and so on. If they want to treat us as if we've just popped up in the channel like some fecking Icelandic volcano, that's fine by me, but let's not drool with admiration at their rigidity; it'll do for 'em in the end.Polruan said:
I’m not sure that the refusal of the Eu to change the rules of the EU to mitigate the consequences of us ceasing to be members of the EU counts as a threat, but perhaps I’m missing something.Xenon said:
It's fine for the EU to make these threats, encouraged even, all because we deserve it for voting to leave. But if we try and do anything similar then it's absolutely outrageous.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
That's the mindset of the EU supporters unfortunately.0 -
Mr. Evershed, interesting, I hadn't heard of a high correlation between high intelligence and physiological problems before. That said, I'd class hyperactivity/autism as psychological, so it seems to be reinforcing my original point to an extent.
A sci-fi I sketched out but never wrote featured a society that had stopped trying to clone, and amp up the intellect of, geniuses because they kept being either totally insane or psychopaths. One plan was for a Tesla clone to be an ineffable genius who invented incredible weapons but was scared of Tuesdays.0 -
Using MENSA as an indicator of high IQ people is very misleading. They are a strange subset of that group.David_Evershed said:
Perhaps the more intelligent posters on PB can explain the following to us:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Evershed, also, higher intelligence has a high comorbidity with psychological conditions.
High intelligence: A risk factor for psychological and physiological overexcitabilities
Ruth I.KarpinskiaAudrey M.Kinase KolbabNicole A.TetreaultcThomas B.Borowski
Highlights
A potential association between a hyperbrain (high IQ) and a hyperbody was examined.
Those with high IQ had higher risk for psychological disorders (RR 1.20 - 223.08).
High IQ was associated with higher risk for physiological diseases (RR 1.84 - 4.33).
Findings lend substantial support to a hyper brain/hyper body theory.
Abstract
High intelligence is touted as being predictive of positive outcomes including educational success and income level. However, little is known about the difficulties experienced among this population. Specifically, those with a high intellectual capacity (hyper brain) possess overexcitabilities in various domains that may predispose them to certain psychological disorders as well as physiological conditions involving elevated sensory, and altered immune and inflammatory responses (hyper body). The present study surveyed members of American Mensa, Ltd. (n = 3715) in order to explore psychoneuroimmunological (PNI) processes among those at or above the 98th percentile of intelligence. Participants were asked to self-report prevalence of both diagnosed and/or suspected mood and anxiety disorders, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and physiological diseases that include environmental and food allergies, asthma, and autoimmune disease. High statistical significance and a remarkably high relative risk ratio of diagnoses for all examined conditions were confirmed among the Mensa group 2015 data when compared to the national average statistics. This implicates high IQ as being a potential risk factor for affective disorders, ADHD, ASD, and for increased incidence of disease related to immune dysregulation. Preliminary findings strongly support a hyper brain/hyper body association which may have substantial individual and societal implications and warrants further investigation to best identify and serve this at-risk population.0 -
And they're just pointing out the deal is unacceptable and the consequences of that on one of their members.Polruan said:
I’m not sure that the refusal of the Eu to change the rules of the EU to mitigate the consequences of us ceasing to be members of the EU counts as a threat, but perhaps I’m missing something.Xenon said:
It's fine for the EU to make these threats, encouraged even, all because we deserve it for voting to leave. But if we try and do anything similar then it's absolutely outrageous.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
That's the mindset of the EU supporters unfortunately.
Not that the backstop is one of their rules anyway.0 -
Then why is she not only thinking it , but openly advocating it?Richard_Nabavi said:To be fair to Ms Patel, her actual words as quoted by the newspaper which ran this story were:
“This paper [a UK government report] appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”
That's not a threat, it's a statement of the obvious point that No Deal is unthinkable for both sides.0 -
Ho ho ho.Anazina said:
Indeed, I await an extension that filters out posts that fail to include a reference to the classic action movie Die Hard.RobD said:
Never used it myself, but you yourself have pointed out that some posters can be rather tedious.Anazina said:
Oh dear – that some people would go to such lengths on an anonymous internet forum is depressing!RobD said:
Mainly fat finger stndrome. As for ignore, it wasn’t a button, rather a browser extension.Anazina said:RobD said:
A betting post? Na, that’s as off topic as it gets.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mildly amused a post in which I flagged up a potential hedge for anyone who had backed under 200 MPs supporting May's deal in the vote has been considered off-topic by someone. Assume that's fat finger syndrome.
A spot of Twitter chuntering I saw earlier today suggested that Mercedes may have made an initial misstep with the 2019 engine, but might just be silly season nonsense.
Does anyone even use the off topic button? Is this the modern manifestation of the nonexistent ignore button that some PB snowflakes used to claim to use in days of yore?
I was hoping for an extension that highlighted all references to AV and pineapple pizza, since that’s mainly why I’m here.
(I was in junior high, dickhead) 0 -
I think it was Orson Scott Card's 'Xenocide' that described a society of hyper-intelligent administrators who were genetically engineered to have crippling OCD. I hasten to add that this wasn't the main thrust of the novel, but it was an interesting concept.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Evershed, interesting, I hadn't heard of a high correlation between high intelligence and physiological problems before. That said, I'd class hyperactivity/autism as psychological, so it seems to be reinforcing my original point to an extent.
A sci-fi I sketched out but never wrote featured a society that had stopped trying to clone, and amp up the intellect of, geniuses because they kept being either totally insane or psychopaths. One plan was for a Tesla clone to be an ineffable genius who invented incredible weapons but was scared of Tuesdays.0 -
Neither of those are communities of European nations though, and all of the forms of leaving on offer involve us being treated like other members of those communities are treated by members of the EU.John_M said:
We're part of a wider community of European nations than simply 'the EU'. NATO, the UN and so on. If they want to treat us as if we've just popped up in the channel like some fecking Icelandic volcano, that's fine by me, but let's not drool with admiration at their rigidity; it'll do for 'em in the end.Polruan said:
I’m not sure that the refusal of the Eu to change the rules of the EU to mitigate the consequences of us ceasing to be members of the EU counts as a threat, but perhaps I’m missing something.Xenon said:
It's fine for the EU to make these threats, encouraged even, all because we deserve it for voting to leave. But if we try and do anything similar then it's absolutely outrageous.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
That's the mindset of the EU supporters unfortunately.0 -
Big Ipsos MORI info-dump contains very little joy for May.
62% of voters think May's deal will be bad for the UK.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/six-ten-think-withdrawal-deal-would-be-bad-uk-public-cant-agree-what-should-happen-next0 -
When the EU army is up and running it will be carrying out orders on behalf of people like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just as well you’re in America, in the event of food and med shortages it’s going to be grim for people who voted Leave.RobD said:
I read it as reminding them of what will happen if this thing doesn’t pass.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.
Everyday will become punch a leaver day.0 -
There is another judgment in a Brexit legal case due next week.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2018-0080.html
This is the Scottish case as to whether The UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Legal Continuity) (Scotland) Bill is within the powers of the Scottish Parliament.
Judgment is due on Thursday 13 December.0 -
Oh come on, they'll all have died from old age before that happens.Xenon said:
When the EU army is up and running it will be carrying out orders on behalf of people like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just as well you’re in America, in the event of food and med shortages it’s going to be grim for people who voted Leave.RobD said:
I read it as reminding them of what will happen if this thing doesn’t pass.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.
Everyday will become punch a leaver day.
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Mr. M, it is interesting that psychological conditions correlate with high intelligence.
A while ago I read a theory this was actually an evolutionary advantage for a species. Psychopath leaders, bipolar creative people advancing culture, that sort of thing.
Of course, that also means you get serial killers and people who suffer tremendously with phobias, OCD, and so on.0 -
New thread, I refrained from nabbing the 1st.0
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She's advocating that we point it out to the EU, in the hope of getting the EU to modify or drop the backstop which threatens the deal. All perfectly logical as far as it goes, and certainly not reprehensible (it would be reprehensible to drop into No Deal without pointing it out), but unfortunately it won't work because the EU won't budge. And they won't budge because they realise we will, as a look at the parliamentary numbers will confirm.dixiedean said:
Then why is she not only thinking it , but openly advocating it?Richard_Nabavi said:To be fair to Ms Patel, her actual words as quoted by the newspaper which ran this story were:
“This paper [a UK government report] appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”
That's not a threat, it's a statement of the obvious point that No Deal is unthinkable for both sides.0 -
May's personal ratings are up, so voters clearly distinguish May from the grisly project she's being forced to deliver.grabcocque said:Big Ipsos MORI info-dump contains very little joy for May.
62% of voters think May's deal will be bad for the UK.0 -
I assume Leavers will be forced to wear some form of identifying mark so they can be appropriately punished?TheScreamingEagles said:
Just as well you’re in America, in the event of food and med shortages it’s going to be grim for people who voted Leave.RobD said:
I read it as reminding them of what will happen if this thing doesn’t pass.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is Patel's inference that she wants to push Ireland off.RobD said:
Doesn’t the latter imply you want them to fall off? I don’t think that’s the case here.
Everyday will become punch a leaver day.0 -
AKK is the new leader of the CDU.0
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More childishness. Specific punishments of is are still a choice for others to decide upon, 'you started it' is not a moral defence even on the playgroundTheScreamingEagles said:
We're the ones who voted for this.RobD said:
Funny that there is no outrage at the use of potential medicines shortages to push the UK government in a particular direction.David_Evershed said:
I think Patel is just pointing out that a friction border could cause problems both sides of the border - so there is also an incentive for the EU to compromise on the Backstop.malcolmg said:
How low can the Tories get , they are beyond the gutter and now about to be lower than the sewerswilliamglenn said:
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It wasn't my fault says Esther
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/06/esther-mcvey-knew-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-terrible-cabinet/
Slightly transparent Esther!
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Can't see this upthread, but Highland Council reports that
'Following the resignation of Councillor Kate Stephen in Ward 5 (Wester Ross, Strathpeffer and Lochalsh), a by-election was held on Thursday 6 December 2018Voting was by the single transferable vote and Alexander MacInnes - Scottish National Party (SNP) emerged as the winner at the 8th stage of the count.
The turnout was 40.65%'
SNP gain from LD. but look at the turnout!0 -
I suspect that until circa 1950 that was true of many of the entrants who obtained 'places' rather than Scholarships or Exhibitions.Very few Grammar School applicants were able to afford the fees associated with a mere 'place' , and as a result Oxbridge was widely seen as a Finishing School for the public schools. Many of those from feepaying schools who obtained a place in that period would be unlikely to have gained entry from circa 1960 onwards.David_Evershed said:
Any evidence that 'not very bright' students get into Oxbridge?Benpointer said:
As I said: 'not very bright but well-educated numpties stroll into well-paid influential jobs'.SandyRentool said:
I knew a department manager who only wanted to recruit from his old university. FCGIBenpointer said:
Are there any? I'd be surprised.DecrepitJohnL said:
Prosecute employers who only consider Oxbridge graduates.Benpointer said:
Well, if you have a better way to change our education system so that 'not very bright but well-educated numpties' stroll into well-paid influential jobs, I'd like to hear it.Sean_F said:Benpointer said:
Which do you think it the greater achievement: getting an 'A*' A-level at Eton or a 'B' at an inner-city comprehensive?Sean_F said:
That would be unjust. People who perform well at A Level would be penalised because of their social background. People who perform badly would get in regardless.Benpointer said:
etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is, is why I'm an egalitarian, is why I'm favour of abolishing the monarchy.Benpointer said:
Equal opportunities not really high on your list is it TSE?TheScreamingEagles said:
You're making a very compelling case for abolitioning the Department for Education & LEAs and privatising the school system.Benpointer said:O/T Here's one for all you privately educated PBers who are so committed to equal opportunities to explain:
Oxbridge 'over-recruits from eight schools'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46470838
"The report shows the imbalance in admissions:
7% of all UK pupils attend private schools
18% of those taking A-levels are at private school
34% of Oxbridge applications are from private school
42% of Oxbridge places go to private school pupils"
Instead of spending so much money on schools and wages we give the parents of every child school vouchers and they can choose where they send their kids.0 -
5.7m hectares in Scotland, more than I would have thought.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
CSL Behring the world leader in blood fractionation is a $100bn business. Not sure who has a site in Ireland but there are huge economies of scaleRichard_Tyndall said:
Okay this is just weird (and completely off topic).rpjs said:
Well, yes in a modern economy people like to eat stuff that isn't necessarily grown locally to them. Ireland is a net food exporter though, is it not? The UK isn't.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not in any way condoning Patel's comments but according to the Irish Independent Ireland imports 50% of its food. Although they put it in a strange way of 50% of Irish food spend is on imported goods. Not sure if that is quite the same thing.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.
I went looking for the import/export numbers for Irish foodstuffs and found this:
http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-10-exports/
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Miliband's B grades from the early 1980s would equate to a good A grade today.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not very bright students get into Oxford.David_Evershed said:
Any evidence that 'not very bright' students get into Oxbridge?
For example David Miliband got in with a D and 3 Bs.
Cambridge let in Prince Charles with a B & C.
Charles took his A levels in mid-1960s - his results would easily be worth 2 A grades nowadays.0 -
Many of us voted on the assumption that there was a plan in place for the implementation of that option. If you want to complain about an abuse of democracy, the decision not to prepare for one of the outcomes is the one you should be gunning for.Benpointer said:
"Secondly, it'd never pass the electoral commission's clarity tests, since it's not clear to anyone what No Deal actually means and what the consequences are."grabcocque said:
I don't see how No Deal could ever be on a ballot paper. For one thing, Parliament will never agree to implement it, so could not risk it being an option.CarlottaVance said:
Only “deal” and “no deal” are within the gift of the British electorate.
And since Parliament seems to plan to ignore them on the former, why should we expect any different on the latter?
Secondly, it'd never pass the electoral commission's clarity tests, since it's not clear to anyone what No Deal actually means and what the consequences are.
The referendum will be Remain vs May Deal, Brexiteers will boycott it by their millions, Remain will win by a landslide, UK will remain but on a referendum with zero legitimacy.
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And if we hadn't mishandled the food supply situation on the island of Ireland in the past, the population of Ireland today could be 20 million plus and the UK could be the biggest economy in the EU. I don't think we'd hear much about Brexit if things had panned out that way.Pulpstar said:
This threat is not only in terrible taste it is also ridiculous, Ireland is more food secure than the UK; it's not an Irish lumper pototato monoculture any more.logical_song said:
Yes, wasn't she talked about as a future leader at one point?David_Evershed said:
What an idiot.
Agricultural land:
Ireland: 4.4 million hectares, 4.8 million people
UK: 17.2 million hectares, 66 million people.0 -
That's is surely mistake? 40 percent for a local government by election in December?OldKingCole said:Can't see this upthread, but Highland Council reports that
'Following the resignation of Councillor Kate Stephen in Ward 5 (Wester Ross, Strathpeffer and Lochalsh), a by-election was held on Thursday 6 December 2018Voting was by the single transferable vote and Alexander MacInnes - Scottish National Party (SNP) emerged as the winner at the 8th stage of the count.
The turnout was 40.65%'
SNP gain from LD. but look at the turnout!0 -
Whether withdrawal of article is possible and whether it is politically possible are two different things. 84% of votes at the 2017 general election were for parties that said they would respect the 2016 referendum result including all Conservative and Labour MP's. It is now clear they had no intention of doing so and that they lied to achieve election. Parliament is in contempt of the people. We have a parliament with no moral authority to make any decision at all on leaving the EU or anything else for that matter. Time for a wager on the next general election having the lowest turn out in history as million of voters disengage from a political class that has shown them total disregard.0
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Get yourself over to the other thread; it's where all the action is.dellertronic said:Whether withdrawal of article is possible and whether it is politically possible are two different things. 84% of votes at the 2017 general election were for parties that said they would respect the 2016 referendum result including all Conservative and Labour MP's. It is now clear they had no intention of doing so and that they lied to achieve election. Parliament is in contempt of the people. We have a parliament with no moral authority to make any decision at all on leaving the EU or anything else for that matter. Time for a wager on the next general election having the lowest turn out in history as million of voters disengage from a political class that has shown them total disregard.
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