With exquisite timing the European Court of Justice will give its verdict in the article 50 case at 8am on Monday morning just a day before the big vote in House of Commons on the deal that would seal Britain’s exit from the EU. The court will rule whether or not the UK can revoke its decision in March 2017 to give notice of its plan to leave.
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The proposed amendment to the meaningful vote would allow parliament to decide whether to trigger the backstop or extend the transitional period at the end of 2020, yes?
So, if the UK can unilaterally extend the transitional arrangements indefinitely, why do we even need a backstop?
Can't the WA simply state "Transitional arrangements will apply until such time that a final agreement comes into effect"?
I am confused!?!?
This is Bush v Gore all over again.
Assuming we do have that right then the concerns I have expressed previously about conditions being imposed by the EU27 such as paying for the process or abandoning the rebate fall away but I think that they would be furious and life would get very difficult inside the EU. It may also make an extension easier to get because with a unilateral right we would hold the whip hand in that discussion.
From the UK perspective we would need to pass legislation to overturn the existing statutory approval for both issuing the notice and repealing the European Communities Act. Its difficult to see how that would be possible in the current Parliament. It might be possible after an election.
Seeing Scalia and Thomas voting for an Equal Protection violation was one of those things I thought I’d never see.
Parliament, or the executive backed by a Parliamentary vote ?
In either case, leaving it until the very last moment would leave room for things to go awry. Though you are right that the ruling would give some time to sort out a course of action.
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Which would risk more fulminations from Mr Tyndall.
As a concession to Leavers it's a bit weird. "You don't like the backstop? Here, we'll let you choose between the backstop and something you like even less. Happy now?"
Maybe it's an attempt to show Brexiteers the reality of the situation. Oh dear.
- Most importantly, as the Guardian piece with Richard T was slamming on the previous thread shows, it's not clear that it would actually be available, and at the very least it would require extensive negotiations with the EFTA countries and the EU. So even on the most optimistic assumptions it's not something which can be sorted out in the few remaining weeks.
- As Jon Cunliffe pointed out in evidence to the Treasury Committee a few days ago, it would leave the City - our most important industry - in the impossible position of being entirely governed by detailed regulation set by the EU, in which we'd have zero say - and with zero protection against Eurozone hegemony.
- It would leave us stuck with Freedom of Movement exactly the same as being in the EU, which really would be a betrayal of the referendum result (unless I suppose it was approved in some further referendum)
- It would still leave us stuck with the Irish backstop, because it couldn't all be agreed in advance. Since the backstop is probably the singest biggest obstacle to accepting the current deal, how does a Norway pivot help?
Edit. I think the WA is a done deal, possibly even if we remain. If you don't like the backstop you have to permanently commit to an arrangement that makes it moot. But it will always be there. The EU would see it as their insurance policy.
The cherry on the cake would be Farage not getting elected to the European Parliament.
Which is a pretty odd thing for a SC to do.
1. Con Brexiteers voting againstt the Deal: they are part of the governing block, voted for A50 on Mansion House, yet are blowing up a substantially similar deal because complications that were always going to be present in some form have been added.
2. Con Remainers. Also voted for A50 almost to a person, are part of the government, and likewise on an A50 and an election that was based on Mansion House
(If no deal is the ultimate result, I'd consider swapping 1 and 2)
3. Con 2017 new entrants supportive of the approach in their election literature. Which is probably all of them.
4. Labour leavers who voted for A50. They may not be in the governing block, but that A50 vote predated the election and was clearly on Mansion House terms.
5. Labour Remainers who voted for A50 on Mansion House terms, not knowing that they would fight an election on different terms.
(swap 4 and 5 if No Deal)
6. The DUP, who supported A50, whose responsibilities don't go much beyond C&S, but for whom the differences between Mansion House and the deal are much closer to home.
7. Conservatives who opposed A50. A special category just for if Ken Clarke votes against the deal (I think he has said he is supporting?). Whatever he has voted against and said in elections over the years he takes a little responsibility as part of the Tory whip.
8. Labour, LD and SNP who opposed A50 or are 2017 entrants (I think over half of Labour MPs sit here) bear no responsibility for ensuring the deal passes.
To see who defeated the government next Tuesday, flip each category until there is a Deal majority ..
Is the only time they’ve ever done that in the history of the court.
A project to race a car at more than 1,000mph has been axed after it failed to secure a £25m cash injection.
The Bloodhound supersonic vehicle - built with a Rolls-Royce Eurofighter jet engine bolted to a rocket - is all but finished.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-46480342
"What the f+ck did you think you were doing?"
https://news.sky.com/story/ex-ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-quits-party-over-tommy-robinson-role-11573773
Have you forgotten the UKIP MEPs behaviour?
I guess the kicker for the brextremists is they don't get to water down product standards and make A trump trade deal.
If UKIP run against him the vote might be split and I think you only get one X with our system... (D'Hondt)
Under STV he'd be a shoo in.
Parliament dislikes it but has to go through the motions (I'm generalising now, some MPs disliked it so much they tell just the voters to stick it up their arses. How dare the great unwashed dictate to superior beings. Liberal "'democrats' among them).
Cunning plan one … the CS has been stopped from arranging options by Cameron D (a faithful Remainer). He immediately jumps ship.
Years wasted on negotiating with EU, who, encouraged by mood-music from the 'great and the good' in UK, see no need for urgency. Cunning plan two … prevaricate as long as possible. Agree potential deal when time is running out which binds UK to EU as long as possible. Wait for boredom and a renewal of operation Fear to wear down populace. Sit back and wait for UK to grovel. Time is on their side, they believe, and they may be right.
Lesson taught. No more referendums after the next one (as long as it gives right answer).
I've always been cynical about politicians and the media, so no surprises to me so far. But it's the transparency I find insulting.
Points 2 and 3 remain. I would add another. Governance is really tricky.
Ken Clarke had it right. If a political party proposed leaving the EU they should've stood on a manifesto which proclaimed so at a general election.
Having said all this, given it was a terrible referendum that got us into this mess, it may have to be another referendum that gets us out of it.
https://hillreporter.com/mueller-probe-is-now-eyeing-pro-brexit-ukip-member-nigel-farage-3209
A second referendum or general election could be the final straw.
Ahhhhh! I'm only stockpiling food for 2 month's of chaos...
I am more than happy to listen to advocates of "just leave" and "respect the vote" to solve the intractable issues around the physical operation of no deal borders that so far the politicians negotiators and experts who know what they are talking about have so far failed to manage.
Nice summary. I would have Con remainers as marginally more dishonourable than the brexiteers. Reason being that a soft brexit is indicated and they are effectively saying that is no good because remain is better. Makes a mockery of the ref that does if you think about it. Really should not have triggered art 50 if nothing less than remain was acceptable.
And I would introduce a new category right at the very top for Boris Johnson. Opposing the deal purely in order to maximize chances of tory leadership. That's not good.
And anyone advocating Remain now certainly cannot be said to be respecting the referendum.
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1070642952572166146
Reading further it is Roll of Dishonour.
Fair enough, carry on.
So, can the Government please explain what steps they have put in place to mitigate any delays ?
Can they also explain why they appear to have made next to no preparations for anything other than their proposed deal?
The only explanation appears to be they are criminally incompetent or its deliberate to force a bad choice and therefore remain looks like a good option.
Which, I remind you all is not what the peoples vote delivered as a choice.
Interestingly my non political wife just started paying attention to the shenanigans today - her comment after I explained where we are at "they will destroy trust in democracy"
https://dvparty.uk/
There's nothing the least bit troubling about the undertone of that website.
It seems everybody is taking for granted what the result of this case will be. What are the chances of the Court finding differently, or is the decision pretty much nailed on now?
So go on then. What specific information do you have about the workings of no trade agreement international trade that the people doing international trade don't have?
Hence the almost complete lack of preparation.