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Not sure about that.Richard_Nabavi said:
If Sir Keir were leader you'd be 25 points ahead. And that's not even a particularly strong endorsement of Sir Keir, any sensible figure would do.NickPalmer said:
Yes, he does. If we're ever in the mood to elect a leader with no very clear ideological profile who is simply competent and serious, he's in pole position.SandyRentool said:
And Sir Keir boosts his leadership chances with every passing day.Jonathan said:
It has been a first-class performance from Labour from start to finish. They are serious.
Starmer might pick up a few middle class LD and Tory Remainers but he would also lose some working class Labour Leave voters to UKIP or even the Tories
In any case as long as Corbyn wants to stay leader the membership will likely still back him, short of outright Labour defeat at the next general election0 -
Good point well madeRochdalePioneers said:
And the ever repeatable question - if the DUP could go into government with Martin McGuinness, why would Corbyn be a step too far as keeps being claimed?bigjohnowls said:
You mean the only deal with a Parliamentary majority that also meets the DUP Red Linesnico67 said:We live in strange times .
What price the DUP supporting Labours Customs Union plan ?0 -
It would all depend what they were offered.RochdalePioneers said:
And the ever repeatable question - if the DUP could go into government with Martin McGuinness, why would Corbyn be a step too far as keeps being claimed?bigjohnowls said:
You mean the only deal with a Parliamentary majority that also meets the DUP Red Linesnico67 said:We live in strange times .
What price the DUP supporting Labours Customs Union plan ?0 -
Free owls, obviously.Sean_F said:
It would all depend what they were offered.RochdalePioneers said:
And the ever repeatable question - if the DUP could go into government with Martin McGuinness, why would Corbyn be a step too far as keeps being claimed?bigjohnowls said:
You mean the only deal with a Parliamentary majority that also meets the DUP Red Linesnico67 said:We live in strange times .
What price the DUP supporting Labours Customs Union plan ?0 -
General Election NOW #MayMustGo0
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Except to Jews. Or other groups they don't like.Dadge said:
Point taken. Labour cocked up royally by allowing Corbyn's trojan horse to come in and take over. Starmer or Cooper would be excellent leaders. But I'm still going to vote for Corbyn's Labour because I want a government that believes in compassion and opportunity.Richard_Nabavi said:
That may be, but at least she has never invited terrorists into parliament to rub the noses of victims in the horrors of a recent bombing and attempt to destroy an elected government.bigjohnowls said:
Idiotic talk like that is why your party is in this mess.Richard_Nabavi said:
There is a mechanism - they can show the advice to the opposition leaders under Privy Council terms, and agree any redaction necessary.grabcocque said:The government's argument that current legal advice should be withheld because future legal advice might contain commercial or national security sensibilities is cretinous.
Why not withhold the advice only when it *does*, rather than when it *doesn't*.
Better still, why not provide a mechanism for partially redacting such advice so this stupid goddamn situation never happens again.
Of course, that does rather assume that the leader of the opposition isn't a terrorist-supporting extremist who sides with our enemies.
Your leader couldn't debate a 5 year old child
McDonnell's recent comments come to mind.0 -
Southern Irelandgrabcocque said:
Free owls, obviously.Sean_F said:
It would all depend what they were offered.RochdalePioneers said:
And the ever repeatable question - if the DUP could go into government with Martin McGuinness, why would Corbyn be a step too far as keeps being claimed?bigjohnowls said:
You mean the only deal with a Parliamentary majority that also meets the DUP Red Linesnico67 said:We live in strange times .
What price the DUP supporting Labours Customs Union plan ?0 -
I am sure Macron would be delighted to do what even Napoleon failed to and add leadership of the UK to leadership of FranceGallowgate said:
What about Macron? France has a very different political culture compared to the UK.bigjohnowls said:
MacronRichard_Nabavi said:
If Sir Keir were leader you'd be 25 points ahead. And that's not even a particularly strong endorsement of Sir Keir, any sensible figure would do.NickPalmer said:
Yes, he does. If we're ever in the mood to elect a leader with no very clear ideological profile who is simply competent and serious, he's in pole position.SandyRentool said:
And Sir Keir boosts his leadership chances with every passing day.Jonathan said:
It has been a first-class performance from Labour from start to finish. They are serious.0 -
Government loses again.0
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Grieve amendment - to allow Parliament, not Govt, to 'take back control' of Brexit plans - WINS by 321 votes to 2990
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Big moment - large number of conservative mps vote for
Brexit is floating away for ERG0 -
Corbyn plans to solve the problem via the repeal of The Government of Ireland Act 1914.Sean_F said:
It would all depend what they were offered.RochdalePioneers said:
And the ever repeatable question - if the DUP could go into government with Martin McGuinness, why would Corbyn be a step too far as keeps being claimed?bigjohnowls said:
You mean the only deal with a Parliamentary majority that also meets the DUP Red Linesnico67 said:We live in strange times .
What price the DUP supporting Labours Customs Union plan ?0 -
Brexit is tragic, Remain is magic.0
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So, if and when the government loses the meaningful vote, what is there left for Theresa May to do?0
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If, of course, she gets that far.0
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The odds of EUref2 and Remain or Single Market and Customs Union if the Deal falls go up a further notch thenTissue_Price said:0 -
So, did the DUP vote with the government? If so, that's a big Tory rebellion.0
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How's THE GRID working out for you, Mrs May?
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Does anyone know which way Nick Herbert is voting on these issues?0
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Apparently the ERG were supporting the amendment to prove it was "meaningless".Richard_Nabavi said:So, did the DUP vote with the government? If so, that's a big Tory rebellion.
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16 Con MPs signed amendment.
Notional Maj with DUP = 13
IF 16 rebels, Govt loses by 13 - 32 = lose by 19
Actual loss = 22
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Strangely subdued response to the reading out of that result though. I would have thought a massive victory for Opposition forces (of all sides).HYUFD said:
The odds of EUref2 and Remain or Single Market and Customs Union if the Deal falls go up a further notch thenTissue_Price said:0 -
Another good call on their partgrabcocque said:
Apparently the ERG were supporting the amendment to prove it was "meaningless".Richard_Nabavi said:So, did the DUP vote with the government? If so, that's a big Tory rebellion.
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The wheels on the bus have fallen off.0
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Grieve's vote proposes that the house can amend further withdrawal legislation. What happens if the Gov't simply doesn't bother to bring any ?0
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It has to.Pulpstar said:Grieve's vote proposes that the house can amend further withdrawal legislation. What happens if the Gov't simply doesn't bother to bring any ?
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Laugh at the ERG when the Commons votes for SM+CU BINO, at which point she can say 'don't blame me guv'AlastairMeeks said:So, if and when the government loses the meaningful vote, what is there left for Theresa May to do?
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Quite:Sean_F said:
Another good call on their partgrabcocque said:
Apparently the ERG were supporting the amendment to prove it was "meaningless".Richard_Nabavi said:So, did the DUP vote with the government? If so, that's a big Tory rebellion.
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Finally we are seeing the moderate conservative mps pushing back on ERG0
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I'm looking forward to the analysis of today in terms of Parliamentary sovereignty where people earnestly explain that the executive is sovereign on governmental matters.0
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Theresa May has lost as many votes in two hours as the last two Labour PMs lost in 13 years.0
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Now DG's amendment has been accepted it's between the Norway option and a second referendum.
Rejoice!0 -
It may seem like an obvious point, but the Govt serves at the whim of Parliament. If Parliament doesn’t like the Govt they have the power to change the Govt. Isn’t what Grieve’s amendment is doing in effect abandoning the concept of Executive Govt?0
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May quoting tractor production stats and badgering people tetchily.
This is how the world ends.0 -
I don't know why the Government doesn't just censure itself for severe ineptitude and save Parliament the bother.0
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And if there is a 2nd Referendum it's looking as if No Deal will struggle to get on the ballot paper.0
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Seriously every member of the ERG deserves a gong for helping stop (no deal) Brexit.0
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No, it's simply returning to Parliament power it stupidly denuded itself of last year. Parliament will have no more powers now than before Brexit, but at least now it won't have fewer.alex. said:It may seem like an obvious point, but the Govt serves at the whim of Parliament. If Parliament doesn’t like the Govt they have the power to change the Govt. Isn’t what Grieve’s amendment is doing in effect abandoning the concept of Executive Govt?
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Assuming that May's plan is defeated, this means:
(1) May does have to bring proposals as otherwise we have a superhard Brexit (planes grounded and everything)
(2) Parliament has to decide what it actually wants. Options on the table seem to be New Referendum or Go Away and Renegotiate, the latter possibly with some steer like "accepting a customs union" or "analogous with Norway". Some hard thinking all round needed.
(3) The ERG and May loyalists might vote against all proposals, in the hope that May can say that Parliament has failed to agree any alternative so May's plan needs to be reconsidered. Or the ERG could roll the dice on a Remain vs hard Brexit referendum.0 -
It does seem finally the moderate conservative mps are making play and ERG have problemsRoger said:Now DG's amendment has been accepted it's between the Norway option and a second referendum.
Rejoice!
Norway my first choice as it avoids a nasty referendum, but in the end I have no problem with remain now0 -
OK, so the Tories voted for the amendment were all the Remainer-types, looks like the ERG supported the Government:
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Absolute patriots.Tissue_Price said:OK, so the Tories voted for the amendment were all the Remainer-types, looks like the ERG supported the Government:
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Betting: Ladbrokes have the deal approved on 11 December lengthening from 5 to 5.5, second referendum odds unchanged (2.25 for, 1.57 against, both before end 2019).0
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I am not sure your source is very reliablebigjohnowls said:0 -
You had no problem with Remain in 2016 and you lost. Ignoring that fact is the Big problem.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does seem finally the moderate conservative mps are making play and ERG have problemsRoger said:Now DG's amendment has been accepted it's between the Norway option and a second referendum.
Rejoice!
Norway my first choice as it avoids a nasty referendum, but in the end I have no problem with remain now0 -
May has no authority so what is the point of all this?0
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So being found in contempt of parliament is a good thing? I've been trying to work it out.grabcocque said:
A contempt motion is neither a confidence nor a supply motion, so it's moot.rottenborough said:DUP: “We haven’t broken the confidence & supply deal - Theresa May broke it”
Never cross an Ulster Unionist.0 -
Right time to make their moveTheScreamingEagles said:
Absolute patriots.Tissue_Price said:OK, so the Tories voted for the amendment were all the Remainer-types, looks like the ERG supported the Government:
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Good to see itTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
What the hell does “accepting a customs union” and “analogous with Norway mean”? (assuming you meant them to be contradictory? ) Permanent payments to the EU? No voting rights in perpetuity? Complete freedom of movement?NickPalmer said:Assuming that May's plan is defeated, this means:
(1) May does have to bring proposals as otherwise we have a superhard Brexit (planes grounded and everything)
(2) Parliament has to decide what it actually wants. Options on the table seem to be New Referendum or Go Away and Renegotiate, the latter possibly with some steer like "accepting a customs union" or "analogous with Norway". Some hard thinking all round needed.
(3) The ERG and May loyalists might vote against all proposals, in the hope that May can say that Parliament has failed to agree any alternative so May's plan needs to be reconsidered. Or the ERG could roll the dice on a Remain vs hard Brexit referendum.
I’m not sure enough MPs even understand the various issues to come to a consensus view on them.
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Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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I think 3 would only work if May's deal is not massively defeated and thus has a reasonable chance when reconsidered and this incentive for blockers to prevent other options. Since it is going to be smashed out of the park, I think it stops at 2. Tories need to move toward a position Labour can accept, or enough in Labour can accept. Only chance of getting something through without conceding a referendum or a GE.NickPalmer said:Assuming that May's plan is defeated, this means:
(1) May does have to bring proposals as otherwise we have a superhard Brexit (planes grounded and everything)
(2) Parliament has to decide what it actually wants. Options on the table seem to be New Referendum or Go Away and Renegotiate, the latter possibly with some steer like "accepting a customs union" or "analogous with Norway". Some hard thinking all round needed.
(3) The ERG and May loyalists might vote against all proposals, in the hope that May can say that Parliament has failed to agree any alternative so May's plan needs to be reconsidered. Or the ERG could roll the dice on a Remain vs hard Brexit referendum.0 -
While you are safely hiding in Ireland away from the chaos.Beverley_C said:
Or alternatively, with the crisis approaching and the new EU ruling, if May's Deal fails, just rescind Brexit. It is the fastest option. No need for all the months of prep that would be needed for a referendum.kinabalu said:I just don't see a flaw in that. Plus it could be done very quickly because there would be no need to have a campaign period. Just ask the people. Ask them.
There may well be fall-out, but that will be for later.0 -
Quite. 'Norway' is a considerably harder (Save for freedom of movement) Brexit than that proposed by May.alex. said:
What the hell does “accepting a customs union” and “analogous with Norway mean”? (assuming you meant them to be contradictory? ) Permanent payments to the EU? No voting rights in perpetuity? Complete freedom of movement?NickPalmer said:Assuming that May's plan is defeated, this means:
(1) May does have to bring proposals as otherwise we have a superhard Brexit (planes grounded and everything)
(2) Parliament has to decide what it actually wants. Options on the table seem to be New Referendum or Go Away and Renegotiate, the latter possibly with some steer like "accepting a customs union" or "analogous with Norway". Some hard thinking all round needed.
(3) The ERG and May loyalists might vote against all proposals, in the hope that May can say that Parliament has failed to agree any alternative so May's plan needs to be reconsidered. Or the ERG could roll the dice on a Remain vs hard Brexit referendum.
I’m not sure enough MPs even understand the various issues to come to a consensus view on them.0 -
Absent the worry of no deal, we will get remain as there's no reason for remainers to not push for it, so it is still a big defeat for the government.Tissue_Price said:
Quite:Sean_F said:
Another good call on their partgrabcocque said:
Apparently the ERG were supporting the amendment to prove it was "meaningless".Richard_Nabavi said:So, did the DUP vote with the government? If so, that's a big Tory rebellion.
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Anything above infowars level of credibility?bigjohnowls said:0 -
UKIP are doing an ERG on a bigger, meaner scale - given what May has been proposing UKIP should have been tempting for so many Tories, but they've, well, gone in a different direction.Tissue_Price said:Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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Is Her Majesty going to march into the Commons and demand recalcitrant members be pointed out to her? It should be easier than when Charles I did it, he was only looking for 5, we have about 600.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Labour’s position seems to be to replace the backstop with a permanent customs union. I’m not so sure the EU actually will go for that, however assuming they did i’m sure Labour would the oppose it for being the wrong type of customs union - ie their unicorn one which allows them to go off negotiating trade deals with the rest of the world.kle4 said:
I think 3 would only work if May's deal is not massively defeated and thus has a reasonable chance when reconsidered and this incentive for blockers to prevent other options. Since it is going to be smashed out of the park, I think it stops at 2. Tories need to move toward a position Labour can accept, or enough in Labour can accept. Only chance of getting something through without conceding a referendum or a GE.NickPalmer said:Assuming that May's plan is defeated, this means:
(1) May does have to bring proposals as otherwise we have a superhard Brexit (planes grounded and everything)
(2) Parliament has to decide what it actually wants. Options on the table seem to be New Referendum or Go Away and Renegotiate, the latter possibly with some steer like "accepting a customs union" or "analogous with Norway". Some hard thinking all round needed.
(3) The ERG and May loyalists might vote against all proposals, in the hope that May can say that Parliament has failed to agree any alternative so May's plan needs to be reconsidered. Or the ERG could roll the dice on a Remain vs hard Brexit referendum.
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Outstanding intervention from Hermon. Calling out the DUP and Labour.0
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MPs will not let ERG get No Deal on the ballot paper.
If it's a 2nd Referendum, it'll be Remain vs May's Deal.
No reason for MPs to risk it.0 -
Is that list the next Tory leader's cabinet?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I cannot see Mrs May's deal being on the ballot paper if it has been defeated by 150+ votes in Parliament.MikeL said:MPs will not let ERG get No Deal on the ballot paper.
If it's a 2nd Referendum, it'll be Remain vs May's Deal.
No reason for MPs to risk it.0 -
Announce the plan is to go for Norway (or whatever) but that she is not the best person to attempt it, so she will ask the party to choose a temporary leader to negotiate that position and when that person is selected she will stand down as PM.AlastairMeeks said:So, if and when the government loses the meaningful vote, what is there left for Theresa May to do?
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Interesting. There's actually space for a pragmatic, moderate euro-sceptic party, closer to the centre than UKIP or the ERG. I wonder if Nigel is planning to fill that gap. It would certainly make the likes of Rees-Mogg, who thought prancing after him to the extremes was a good idea, look silly.Tissue_Price said:Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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I was touch and go in 2016 but Boris (FO) to Airbus turned me against ERGConcanvasser said:
You had no problem with Remain in 2016 and you lost. Ignoring that fact is the Big problem.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does seem finally the moderate conservative mps are making play and ERG have problemsRoger said:Now DG's amendment has been accepted it's between the Norway option and a second referendum.
Rejoice!
Norway my first choice as it avoids a nasty referendum, but in the end I have no problem with remain now
I have consistently supported TM deal and now Norway if it is available but remain it is if these fall0 -
its a pity England are not playing in a test match, to distract us from 650 MPs most of whom seem to be behaving idiotically/0
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Nor I. I think the plan might have been to include it but such a loss makes it impossible. But unless the Commons is willing to just switch to Remain and want a referendum as cover, it has to be up against something. Do they dare risk it be Remain vs no deal? Perhaps best to go remain vs may's deal just in case the public are so foolish as to pick no deal?TheScreamingEagles said:
I cannot see Mrs May's deal being on the ballot if it has been defeated by 150+ votes in Parliament.MikeL said:MPs will not let ERG get No Deal on the ballot paper.
If it's a 2nd Referendum, it'll be Remain vs May's Deal.
No reason for MPs to risk it.0 -
If the Remainers try to take control of the negotiations, especially if start pushing for “solutions” that retain FoM, I suspect a lot of Labour MPs will start getting jittery about the whole thing0
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He intends to become the new leader of the SDPTissue_Price said:Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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I can - because some Leave option will have to be on ballot paper.TheScreamingEagles said:
I cannot see Mrs May's deal being on the ballot if it has been defeated by 150+ votes in Parliament.MikeL said:MPs will not let ERG get No Deal on the ballot paper.
If it's a 2nd Referendum, it'll be Remain vs May's Deal.
No reason for MPs to risk it.
If No Deal is ruled out, then the only remaining credible option would be May's Deal (or May's Deal slightly revised after further negotiations with EU).0 -
Today's a lot like living through the Norway debate/vote.
Although slight difference the government won the vote that day.0 -
Luke 15:7Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does seem finally the moderate conservative mps are making play and ERG have problemsRoger said:Now DG's amendment has been accepted it's between the Norway option and a second referendum.
Rejoice!
Norway my first choice as it avoids a nasty referendum, but in the end I have no problem with remain now0 -
But “Norway” or whatever, would be a post transition period situation. It isn’t even ruled out by May’s deal, since it would be a solution for the future trading arrangements which aren’t part of the deal.kle4 said:
Announce the plan is to go for Norway (or whatever) but that she is not the best person to attempt it, so she will ask the party to choose a temporary leader to negotiate that position and when that person is selected she will stand down as PM.AlastairMeeks said:So, if and when the government loses the meaningful vote, what is there left for Theresa May to do?
Oh, and it probably wouldn’t meet the EU’s redlines on the Irish border...
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If he hangs on for a couple of days, there might be a vacancy for a Brexit leader of the Conservative Party.RochdalePioneers said:
He intends to become the new leader of the SDPTissue_Price said:Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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So gentlemanly. So gallant.Richard_Tyndall said:
While you are safely hiding in Ireland away from the chaos.Beverley_C said:
Or alternatively, with the crisis approaching and the new EU ruling, if May's Deal fails, just rescind Brexit. It is the fastest option. No need for all the months of prep that would be needed for a referendum.kinabalu said:I just don't see a flaw in that. Plus it could be done very quickly because there would be no need to have a campaign period. Just ask the people. Ask them.
There may well be fall-out, but that will be for later.
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Moderate eurosceptic was Cameron: leaving EPP, passing the referendum lock, negotiating no ever closer Union, opposing increase in EU budget, etc.Stark_Dawning said:
Interesting. There's actually space for a pragmatic, moderate euro-sceptic party, closer to the centre than UKIP or the ERG..Tissue_Price said:Curious timing given everything else happening today. Why not tomorrow?
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Like a pound shop Enoch Powell is Nigel Farage going to join a Unionist party from Northern Ireland?0
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That's why I said 'or whatever' since it's mostly just about which unicorn solution she might announce.alex. said:
But “Norway” or whatever, would be a post transition period situation. It isn’t even ruled out by May’s deal, since it would be a solution for the future trading arrangements which aren’t part of the deal.kle4 said:
Announce the plan is to go for Norway (or whatever) but that she is not the best person to attempt it, so she will ask the party to choose a temporary leader to negotiate that position and when that person is selected she will stand down as PM.AlastairMeeks said:So, if and when the government loses the meaningful vote, what is there left for Theresa May to do?
Oh, and it probably wouldn’t meet the EU’s redlines on the Irish border...0 -
Precisely - 400+ MPs will not risk No Deal.kle4 said:
Nor I. I think the plan might have been to include it but such a loss makes it impossible. But unless the Commons is willing to just switch to Remain and want a referendum as cover, it has to be up against something. Do they dare risk it be Remain vs no deal? Perhaps best to go remain vs may's deal just in case the public are so foolish as to pick no deal?TheScreamingEagles said:
I cannot see Mrs May's deal being on the ballot if it has been defeated by 150+ votes in Parliament.MikeL said:MPs will not let ERG get No Deal on the ballot paper.
If it's a 2nd Referendum, it'll be Remain vs May's Deal.
No reason for MPs to risk it.
So by default it's going to end up Remain vs May's Deal.
And despite the sense of chaos today, May's Deal still has an excellent chance of winning and thus being the final outcome.0 -
May's deal is stone dead even though we're less than an hour into a 5 day "debate"
No Deal Brexit is stone dead following the Grieve amendment
The government folding its arms and saying "shan't" to MPs is stone dead having been found in contempt
Government authority itself is dead.
Which is great. Take Back Control restores (apparently) sovereignty to Parliament. Who have binned off the deal, not doing a deal, and the notion of the government saying screw you then.
Watch and learn boys and girls. When you elect your MP, you elect someone with actual power.0 -
MPs also voted to trigger A50 yet some will not countenance any form of leave, and others seemed surprised no deal was a possibility and have been whining about it for ages, so they might have forgotten they did that.Mortimer said:0 -
Sadly discipline has broken down in the Parliamentary party.Mortimer said:
The other side of the party have seen how successful rebellions have been.
Thank you ERG.0 -
I don't entirely disagree, but I cannot say I'm much of fan of using the 'take back control' 'restore sovereignty' argument when the government is defeated in these matters, since parliament will have been exercising control if the vote had gone the other way as well.RochdalePioneers said:May's deal is stone dead even though we're less than an hour into a 5 day "debate"
No Deal Brexit is stone dead following the Grieve amendment
The government folding its arms and saying "shan't" to MPs is stone dead having been found in contempt
Government authority itself is dead.
Which is great. Take Back Control restores (apparently) sovereignty to Parliament. Who have binned off the deal, not doing a deal, and the notion of the government saying screw you then.
Watch and learn boys and girls. When you elect your MP, you elect someone with actual power.0 -
Regretfully I can see the Tory party splitting.
There's too much rancour and division over EU affairs that the gap appears unbridgeable.0 -
So where to next for youRochdalePioneers said:May's deal is stone dead even though we're less than an hour into a 5 day "debate"
No Deal Brexit is stone dead following the Grieve amendment
The government folding its arms and saying "shan't" to MPs is stone dead having been found in contempt
Government authority itself is dead.
Which is great. Take Back Control restores (apparently) sovereignty to Parliament. Who have binned off the deal, not doing a deal, and the notion of the government saying screw you then.
Watch and learn boys and girls. When you elect your MP, you elect someone with actual power.0 -
It'll be good for the public in the long run. They cannot keep pretending their share fundamental values with one another and these are just minor party faction differences. Labour should have learned the same thing, but in fairness to him Corbyn beat his opponents into submission and now they only show up to shake their heads about anti-semitism and then kowtow to him on most other things.TheScreamingEagles said:Regretfully I can see the Tory party splitting.
There's too much rancour and division over EU affairs that the gap appears unbridgeable.0 -
No, it's obviously a bad thing, but it's not a confidence issue *per se* so wouldn't be covered by the DUP's agreement.Recidivist said:
So being found in contempt of parliament is a good thing? I've been trying to work it out.grabcocque said:
A contempt motion is neither a confidence nor a supply motion, so it's moot.rottenborough said:DUP: “We haven’t broken the confidence & supply deal - Theresa May broke it”
Never cross an Ulster Unionist.0 -
Obviously worried that UKIP is now letting in raving pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:Like a pound shop Enoch Powell is Nigel Farage going to join a Unionist party from Northern Ireland?
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Even though this all makes Brexit less likely I am pleased with these two results. Any argument about negotiation by Parliament being a bad idea (which might at least have had some measure of validity) was ended once the Deal was agreed. From now on it should be Parliament not the Executive that have the final say on these things.AlastairMeeks said:I'm looking forward to the analysis of today in terms of Parliamentary sovereignty where people earnestly explain that the executive is sovereign on governmental matters.
That said they should also be prepared for the consequences if they betray the electorate.
As an aside I still don't see how they get around the deadline issue. If the Government simply chooses not to bring any further legislation forward, how in practice do Parliament force No Deal off the table?0 -
Yvette lays down the smackdown.-1
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Hurrah.TheScreamingEagles said:Regretfully I can see the Tory party splitting.
There's too much rancour and division over EU affairs that the gap appears unbridgeable.0
