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If Davis is the answer we are well and truly F*****. A pompous vainglorious useless moron.MarqueeMark said:
If you weren't dealing with the political ego here, then if you are going to replace May because she has ballsed up Brexit, it makes sense to replace her with somebody who knows what the hell has gone wrong - and what might just be possible to fix it. Which puts Davis and Raab way out in front.IanB2 said:
And people may drop out more quickly than one at a timephiliph said:
The ballot of MPs to reduce to two candidates is, or can be, done quickly. They will ballot daily or twice daily.YellowSubmarine said:The other issue is the timing. Each extra candidate means an extra round of voting. If the contest is before Brexit Day there will be huge pressure to select a new PM quickly. I can't see the Party, the Markets or the Public allowing 7 odd names to drag things out. If the contest is after Brexit Day and there is ample time then there will be more folk running. So when you think the contest will come is a factor here.
Davis has been offered to the members before - and the way things have panned out, I suspect a significant number of members wonder how things might have been different if they had plumped for him over Cameron. If he could convince the ambitious that he does not want to lead them beyond 2020, they will have another stab (carefully chosen) at the leader once Brexit has been delivered. Davis offers an attractive short term fix, whilst longer term being no road-block to the ambitious. But if Raab gets Brexit sorted, and he could be there ten years or more.
And how many of these other runners and riders actually WANT to have to get us through a possible No Deal Brexit? PM of the Sunlit-Uplands Beyond is much more attractive than PM of a Bloody Great Headache.
That's why (for months) I have been saying Davis gets it in a Coronation of Chaos, once May's deal was dead. Well, May's deal is dead, as is her political tenure. We have the Chaos of a group of Cabinet Ministers having prised renegotiation of that deal from her as the price of not defenestrating the PM this past last week. But no-one beyond Sir Alan Duncan has gone in front of the cameras expressing a desire for her to continue in post.
However, we are dealing with the political ego. And the Conservative Party. I may be completely wrong.0 -
A second referendum may be needed to give credibility to whatever nest step whichever government has to take. It's a shame for the moderate Leavers but we there is a failure of leadership among the political class and this is combined with a public opinion which is divided and divorced from reality.NickPalmer said:I get the a press monitoring summary (sadly they don't believe in paragraphs), and this para is interesting in several ways:
‘People’s vote more likely than election says McDonnell as Labour stance shifts’ (Sun Ti p2) - McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election amid claims that he is warming to the idea of a second vote, Shipman/Wheeler rpt. The Shadow Chancellor conceded ystr that a general election “could prove difficult” because of the Fixed-term Parlts Act, which allows for an early election only if two-thirds of MPs vote in favour. Polling that shows growing support for a second referendum is said to have influenced the Shadow Chancellor. McDonnell has previously said remaining in the EU would not be on the ballot in any referendum under Labour. Sources claim he is now more open to the idea. Last week’s political turmoil sent shock waves through Labour. “It made everyone realise just how broken parlt is and what could happen if, and when, MPs vote down May’s deal,” another insider said. Tmrw Starmer will urge Labour MPs to hold their nerve and vote down the deal. The DUP is seeking chances to work with Labour to defeat the Govt on the finance bill.
McDonnell is, as I've said, pragmatic first and left-wing second. I think a second referendum policy is now on the cards. Also, I can see the DUP doing a deal with Labour. The argument that it's inconceivable runs into the fact that they actually formed a government with Sinn Fein. There comes a point where government is so chaotic that people seek out the alternative and make arrangements accordingly.0 -
Labour will do a deal with the DUP? Makes their words in the aftermath of the last GE look a bit hollow...NickPalmer said:I get the a press monitoring summary (sadly they don't believe in paragraphs), and this para is interesting in several ways:
‘People’s vote more likely than election says McDonnell as Labour stance shifts’ (Sun Ti p2) - McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election amid claims that he is warming to the idea of a second vote, Shipman/Wheeler rpt. The Shadow Chancellor conceded ystr that a general election “could prove difficult” because of the Fixed-term Parlts Act, which allows for an early election only if two-thirds of MPs vote in favour. Polling that shows growing support for a second referendum is said to have influenced the Shadow Chancellor. McDonnell has previously said remaining in the EU would not be on the ballot in any referendum under Labour. Sources claim he is now more open to the idea. Last week’s political turmoil sent shock waves through Labour. “It made everyone realise just how broken parlt is and what could happen if, and when, MPs vote down May’s deal,” another insider said. Tmrw Starmer will urge Labour MPs to hold their nerve and vote down the deal. The DUP is seeking chances to work with Labour to defeat the Govt on the finance bill.
McDonnell is, as I've said, pragmatic first and left-wing second. I think a second referendum policy is now on the cards. Also, I can see the DUP doing a deal with Labour. The argument that it's inconceivable runs into the fact that they actually formed a government with Sinn Fein. There comes a point where government is so chaotic that people seek out the alternative and make arrangements accordingly.
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It;s time you came off the fence and said what you really meanmalcolmg said:
If Davis is the answer we are well and truly F*****. A pompous vainglorious useless moron.MarqueeMark said:
If you weren't dealing with the political ego here, then if you are going to replace May because she has ballsed up Brexit, it makes sense to replace her with somebody who knows what the hell has gone wrong - and what might just be possible to fix it. Which puts Davis and Raab way out in front.IanB2 said:
And people may drop out more quickly than one at a timephiliph said:
The ballot of MPs to reduce to two candidates is, or can be, done quickly. They will ballot daily or twice daily.YellowSubmarine said:The other issue is the timing. Each extra candidate means an extra round of voting. If the contest is before Brexit Day there will be huge pressure to select a new PM quickly. I can't see the Party, the Markets or the Public allowing 7 odd names to drag things out. If the contest is after Brexit Day and there is ample time then there will be more folk running. So when you think the contest will come is a factor here.
Davis has been offered to the members before - and the way things have panned out, I suspect a significant number of members wonder how things might have been different if they had plumped for him over Cameron. If he could convince the ambitious that he does not want to lead them beyond 2020, they will have another stab (carefully chosen) at the leader once Brexit has been delivered. Davis offers an attractive short term fix, whilst longer term being no road-block to the ambitious. But if Raab gets Brexit sorted, and he could be there ten years or more.
And how many of these other runners and riders actually WANT to have to get us through a possible No Deal Brexit? PM of the Sunlit-Uplands Beyond is much more attractive than PM of a Bloody Great Headache.
That's why (for months) I have been saying Davis gets it in a Coronation of Chaos, once May's deal was dead. Well, May's deal is dead, as is her political tenure. We have the Chaos of a group of Cabinet Ministers having prised renegotiation of that deal from her as the price of not defenestrating the PM this past last week. But no-one beyond Sir Alan Duncan has gone in front of the cameras expressing a desire for her to continue in post.
However, we are dealing with the political ego. And the Conservative Party. I may be completely wrong.
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If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for0 -
Mr Raab was once a magic circle solicitor. On the basis of the Sunday Times reporting he hasn’t developed beyond the junior solicitor, “it’s in the LMA, ISDA and therefore I cannot change”. So used to shouting from a position of strength that he’s incapable of understanding how to behave and how people behave when the position’s reversed.
But still, BMW.0 -
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
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I think if senior government politicians pontificate on the economic and political future of 70m people they are expected to be very clued up on the basic features of how it all works. He showed himself up badly here but he did the right thing to resign as he is clearly unfit for high office.Nemtynakht said:
If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for0 -
Face facts, there is no good choice for the Tories. There are no good candidates. However, the next leader needs to be a dyed in the wool Leaver. Voters need to see the incompetence, the delusion and the mendaciousness in all its untrammelled glory. If we are going to suffer a No Deal Brexit let it, at least, do some good: the total evisceration of the moon-howling simpletons and charlatans whose laziness, stupidity and lies put us there.0
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“McDonnell is, as I've said, pragmatic first and left-wing second”
I almost fell off my chair laughing at that.0 -
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?0 -
"McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election" Can someone explain how a "People's vote" comes about if the Tories (Any Tory) is in charge ?!
It requires primary legislation. That simply isn't happening whilst there is a Conservative PM, perhaps I'm missing something here.
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Some of us (especially those who are not Tories) happen to think Nick that destroying the Tories for good and all would actually be a small price to pay for keeping Corbyn out of power so somebody sane, intelligent and competent could take over Labour.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
I agree the Tories are unfit for office, but Labour are unfortunately much less fit for it.0 -
This is hardly akin to having a complete grasp of particle physics. You don’t even need beyond basic knowledge to know that Dover-Calais is quite important to our trade. And even if we make allowances he surely can’t have failed to notice the people pointing this out for the last 3 years? Could he not have found out a bit more at an earlier stage?Nemtynakht said:
If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for
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felix said:
I think if senior government politicians pontificate on the economic and political future of 70m people they are expected to be very clued up on the basic features of how it all works. He showed himself up badly here but he did the right thing to resign as he is clearly unfit for high office.Nemtynakht said:
If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for
You could not find one person in the cabinet that you would trust to be able to run you a bath. They have assembled the biggest bunch of elite moronic donkeys ever seen on the planet. Even Corbyn would be better than these morons.SouthamObserver said:Face facts, there is no good choice for the Tories. There are no good candidates. However, the next leader needs to be a dyed in the wool Leaver. Voters need to see the incompetence, the delusion and the mendaciousness in all its untrammelled glory. If we are going to suffer a No Deal Brexit let it, at least, do some good: the total evisceration of the moon-howling simpletons and charlatans whose laziness, stupidity and lies put us there.
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Dittomatt said:“McDonnell is, as I've said, pragmatic first and left-wing second”
I almost fell off my chair laughing at that.
Pragamatic…. a new word for for insurrection?
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I take your point. If we are to drive off a cliff, it might as well be in a clown car.SouthamObserver said:Face facts, there is no good choice for the Tories. There are no good candidates. However, the next leader needs to be a dyed in the wool Leaver. Voters need to see the incompetence, the delusion and the mendaciousness in all its untrammelled glory. If we are going to suffer a No Deal Brexit let it, at least, do some good: the total evisceration of the moon-howling simpletons and charlatans whose laziness, stupidity and lies put us there.
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I am skeptical that a Labour Government would be doing much better in Brexit.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
It is much easier in this area to oppose than to construct a policy that unites.
In fact, I am not even sure what Labour’s policy is. I mean, I know what your policy is, but as far as I am aware it is not Labour’s policy.0 -
There is only one alternative worse than the current situation and of course you hit right on it.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?0 -
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
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It matches McDonnell's actions. What I have heard from him has been pretty moderate.matt said:“McDonnell is, as I've said, pragmatic first and left-wing second”
I almost fell off my chair laughing at that.0 -
Parliament is sitting on Friday so I expect you are right - I was going to say Wednesday afternoon with the vote on Thursday but there is zero news with Parliament open on FridayOchEye said:
Good point, but Monday is too soon, Tuesday and Wednesday before PMQ's not a chance, too big of an open goal to hand Corbyn. Thursday looks likely then. The longer it delays, the stronger TMay looks.swing_voter said:
I think they may be sitting on the figure, as they (no 10, whips and CCHQ) can time the announcement to minimise damage - Monday more probable having hit pitch readyAlastairMeeks said:Surely there must be 48 letters in by now. Otherwise we could safely conclude that the media has given far too much time to a group of MPs that is not just comprised of extremist ninnies but is also merely a pimple on the face of Parliament.
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Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum0 -
Agree, we have no clue what Labour's position is or what they would do if in charge. Hard to believe but they are worse than the Tories, we are well and truly F*****.YBarddCwsc said:
I am skeptical that a Labour Government would be doing much better in Brexit.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
It is much easier in this area to oppose than to construct a policy that unites.
In fact, I am not even sure what Labour’s policy is. I mean, I know what your policy is, but as far as I am aware it is not Labour’s policy.0 -
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum0 -
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.0 -
Kansas next to find the yellow brick road.alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
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Not saying it's likely, but:Pulpstar said:"McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election" Can someone explain how a "People's vote" comes about if the Tories (Any Tory) is in charge ?!
It requires primary legislation. That simply isn't happening whilst there is a Conservative PM, perhaps I'm missing something here.
1) TMay gets challenged for the leadership and wins, so she's safe for a year
2) ERG/DUP plan to vote down TMay's deal (or already did)
3) SNP+LibDems+Centrist-Dad-Lab offer to vote for it on the condition the legislation makes it subject to a referendum, the other option being Remain
4) TMay agrees, saying, "I totally didn't want to do this, but I had no option thanks to the disloyalty of the headbangers"0 -
Corbyn waffling on Sky wanting his cake and eat it
Not a clue what to do0 -
Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.0 -
Oklahoma, Felix. Oklahoma. There is no alternative worse than the Buccaneers taking over.felix said:
There is only one alternative worse than the current situation and of course you hit right on it.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
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They are unbelievably stupid and sadly in my party. Do not even see how ridiculous they lookSouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.0 -
If she survives a VONC then they cannot sack her. Not for 12 months anyway.Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
Of the various ways out of this situation, the #peoplesvote is the best. Make Britain Sane Again!0 -
Step 5 - Theresa uses step 4 to get enough headbangers and labour leavers in line, the bill passes.edmundintokyo said:
Not saying it's likely, but:Pulpstar said:"McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election" Can someone explain how a "People's vote" comes about if the Tories (Any Tory) is in charge ?!
It requires primary legislation. That simply isn't happening whilst there is a Conservative PM, perhaps I'm missing something here.
1) TMay gets challenged for the leadership and wins, so she's safe for a year
2) ERG/DUP plan to vote down TMay's deal (or already did)
3) SNP+LibDems+Centrist-Dad-Lab offer to vote for it on the condition the legislation makes it subject to a referendum, the other option being Remain
4) TMay agrees, saying, "I totally didn't want to do this, but I had no option thanks to the disloyalty of the headbangers"0 -
Corbyn there has been a transitional agreement made already.
What - and this is the labour leader0 -
OK sure - but I'd put a General Election ahead of that sequence of events though; not that I think either is likely.edmundintokyo said:
Not saying it's likely, but:Pulpstar said:"McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election" Can someone explain how a "People's vote" comes about if the Tories (Any Tory) is in charge ?!
It requires primary legislation. That simply isn't happening whilst there is a Conservative PM, perhaps I'm missing something here.
1) TMay gets challenged for the leadership and wins, so she's safe for a year
2) ERG/DUP plan to vote down TMay's deal (or already did)
3) SNP+LibDems+Centrist-Dad-Lab offer to vote for it on the condition the legislation makes it subject to a referendum, the other option being Remain
4) TMay agrees, saying, "I totally didn't want to do this, but I had no option thanks to the disloyalty of the headbangers"0 -
So quite well suited to government then!Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn waffling on Sky wanting his cake and eat it
Not a clue what to do
Give the man a chance, he cannot do worse than the current government.0 -
So, your opinion?Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) We crash out.
A new referendum on the options which are NOW before us makes sense. Ask the people.0 -
I would caveat that by saying cabinet could force her outFoxy said:
If she survives a VONC then they cannot sack her. Not for 12 months anyway.Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
Of the various ways out of this situation, the #peoplesvote is the best. Make Britain Sane Again!0 -
Was he genuinely surprised that goods hauliers chose the shortest and fastest Channel crossing? Are you?Nemtynakht said:
If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for0 -
No, step 4 will probably happen but it's a precursor to forcing the headbangers back in line.Pulpstar said:
OK sure - but I'd put a General Election ahead of that sequence of events though; not that I think either is likely.edmundintokyo said:
Not saying it's likely, but:Pulpstar said:"McDonnell has admitted that a second referendum is more likely than a general election" Can someone explain how a "People's vote" comes about if the Tories (Any Tory) is in charge ?!
It requires primary legislation. That simply isn't happening whilst there is a Conservative PM, perhaps I'm missing something here.
1) TMay gets challenged for the leadership and wins, so she's safe for a year
2) ERG/DUP plan to vote down TMay's deal (or already did)
3) SNP+LibDems+Centrist-Dad-Lab offer to vote for it on the condition the legislation makes it subject to a referendum, the other option being Remain
4) TMay agrees, saying, "I totally didn't want to do this, but I had no option thanks to the disloyalty of the headbangers"0 -
Yes he can. Much much worseFoxy said:
So quite well suited to government then!Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn waffling on Sky wanting his cake and eat it
Not a clue what to do
Give the man a chance, he cannot do worse than the current government.0 -
If we crash out without a deal then I can see seven Tories (Grieve, Soubry, Clarke) VONCing their own Gov't and a GE taking place.logical_song said:
So, your opinion?Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) We crash out.
A new referendum on the options which are NOW before us makes sense. Ask the people.0 -
In fairness, in the spirit of Oklahoma they’re looking sorry with a cringe on top.SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.0 -
Why?ydoethur said:
Some of us (especially those who are not Tories) happen to think Nick that destroying the Tories for good and all would actually be a small price to pay for keeping Corbyn out of power so somebody sane, intelligent and competent could take over Labour.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
I agree the Tories are unfit for office, but Labour are unfortunately much less fit for it.
The time is ripe for a radical change in both domestic and foreign policy. A UN expert has pointed out the extent of child poverty in the UK and acting as a Saudi poodle following the Khashoggi assassination is surely now untenable. The current Labour leadership would deliver this necessary change, with McDonnell as CoE. Corbyn has many friends overseas with whom the UK could seek cordial relations.0 -
Well done - we need lots of light reliefAlastairMeeks said:
In fairness, in the spirit of Oklahoma they’re looking sorry with a cringe on top.SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.0 -
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.
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But there is a subtle message of optimism from David Davis's campaign to be PM in the lyrics from Oklahoma, the musical:SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.
"Oh, what a beautiful mornin'
Oh, what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feelin'
Everything's goin' my way..."0 -
Unexpectedly naive from you Dr. He could and he would be much worse.Foxy said:
So quite well suited to government then!Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn waffling on Sky wanting his cake and eat it
Not a clue what to do
Give the man a chance, he cannot do worse than the current government.
It's like saying Lenin and Trotsky couldn't possibly be worse than Kerensky and Dan. But oh boy, they were.0 -
... amidst shortages and lorries queued in Kent.Pulpstar said:
If we crash out without a deal then I can see seven Tories (Grieve, Soubry, Clarke) VONCing their own Gov't and a GE taking place.logical_song said:
So, your opinion?Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) We crash out.
A new referendum on the options which are NOW before us makes sense. Ask the people.
You may be right, but it would be too late by then.0 -
Easiest deal ever, today.MarqueeMark said:
But there is a subtle message of optimism from David Davis's campaign to be PM in the lyrics from Oklahoma, the musical:SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.
"Oh, what a beautiful mornin'
Oh, what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feelin'
Everything's goin' my way..."0 -
It must have been quite shocking to find out that people tend to use the quickest route and the one with the most sailings. But not quite as shocking as discovering that David Davis is looking to do a trade deal with Oklahoma.CarlottaVance said:
Was he genuinely surprised that goods hauliers chose the shortest and fastest Channel crossing? Are you?Nemtynakht said:
If you look at his actual commentCarlottaVance said:MarqueeMark said:The news cycle being led by the former Brexit Secretary saying the PM "has not stood up to the EUs bullies" is toxic to Theresa.
The one that only just worked out we're an island?
That one?
“We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”
I don’t understand the problem with this - do we expect every politician to understand everything about everything - surely not. It is clear he understands we live on an island. He holds plenty of views you could legitimately criticise him for
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There’d be no time. If they VONCed an executive that was set on no deal, the only feasible option would be a government of national unity.Pulpstar said:
If we crash out without a deal then I can see seven Tories (Grieve, Soubry, Clarke) VONCing their own Gov't and a GE taking place.logical_song said:
So, your opinion?Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) We crash out.
A new referendum on the options which are NOW before us makes sense. Ask the people.0 -
Full details of the agricultural section of that Oklahoma trade deal:
'Barley, carrots and potatoes.
Pasta for the cattle
Spinach and tomatoes'0 -
Who is paying for Owen Paterson and David Davis to go to Oklahoma for trade talks?0
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Indeed not. One of the many unwanted outcomes of May's blundering has been to transform Corbyn from a ridiculed no hoper to a serious candidate for PM.Foxy said:
So quite well suited to government then!Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn waffling on Sky wanting his cake and eat it
Not a clue what to do
Give the man a chance, he cannot do worse than the current government.0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, two things on that:
1) If May's already won a vote of no confidence she's safe
2) The PCP would view a vote of no confidence as a proxy over the proposal. It wouldn't be May or Nay, it'd be second referendum or explicitly endorsing No Deal.0 -
He doesn’t get an awful lot of positive feedback in his twitter responses....SouthamObserver said:
Oklahoma, Felix. Oklahoma. There is no alternative worse than the Buccaneers taking over.felix said:
There is only one alternative worse than the current situation and of course you hit right on it.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
It strange how some ERGers twitter comments are full of sycophants (see eg. Nadine dorries) who cheer on their every pronouncement and in others full of critics. This man was a cabinet minister! His colleague is currently being promoted as the next Prime Minister!
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When you have five members of Cabinet refusing to resign, but instead re-writing the deal she has negotiated, her inability to sack them shows her power as PM has all but gone.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would caveat that by saying cabinet could force her outFoxy said:
If she survives a VONC then they cannot sack her. Not for 12 months anyway.Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
Of the various ways out of this situation, the #peoplesvote is the best. Make Britain Sane Again!0 -
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.
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And just how are they going to re-write the deal. Tweeks maybe but nothing elseMarqueeMark said:
When you have five members of Cabinet refusing to resign, but instead re-writing the deal she has negotiated, her inability to sack them shows her power as PM has all but gone.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would caveat that by saying cabinet could force her outFoxy said:
If she survives a VONC then they cannot sack her. Not for 12 months anyway.Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
Of the various ways out of this situation, the #peoplesvote is the best. Make Britain Sane Again!0 -
I think in worst case scenarios there would have to be a government of national unity staffed by whoever is willing to serve. Might put a cheeky fiver on Ken Clarke being next PM.logical_song said:
... amidst shortages and lorries queued in Kent.Pulpstar said:
If we crash out without a deal then I can see seven Tories (Grieve, Soubry, Clarke) VONCing their own Gov't and a GE taking place.logical_song said:
So, your opinion?Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) We crash out.
A new referendum on the options which are NOW before us makes sense. Ask the people.
You may be right, but it would be too late by then.
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He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.0 -
Hopefully the Mail will put that tweet on their front page. Could be the change of dynamic we need.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.
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May might be a very poor politician with a tin ear, no ability to convince people or unable to think on her feet - but, she is not actively dangerous like Davis who is mind bogglingly incompetant.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.0 -
May suggesting she is still negotiating. Have I heard that right?0
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Next stop - the Yellow brick road?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=210 -
Why? DD is now a mere back-bencher, currently pfaffing about in the flyover belt.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.0 -
She's lost the plot.0
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Maybe tin ear against ERG is exactly what is neededJonathan said:
May might be a very poor politician with a tin ear, no ability to convince people or unable to think on her feet - but, she is not actively dangerous like Davis who is mind bogglingly incompetant.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.0 -
Yes but they are not the people in government remember..at least not yet.SouthamObserver said:
Oklahoma, Felix. Oklahoma. There is no alternative worse than the Buccaneers taking over.felix said:
There is only one alternative worse than the current situation and of course you hit right on it.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?0 -
Who, can in all conscience, one vote for at the GE. Labour impossible ... the loony fringes impossible (inc the LD's as nonentities), the Tories right are crackpots. If voters abstain, that lets in Labour.. Yikes!0
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The political declaration and she has always said that, but not the WDAtlg86 said:May suggesting she is still negotiating. Have I heard that right?
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Lol - they've been on the carousel too long.AlastairMeeks said:
In fairness, in the spirit of Oklahoma they’re looking sorry with a cringe on top.SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.0 -
Don’t worry Jeremy, the rest of us do know how you’d vote....
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And DD in Oklahoma is evidence of someone out in space. Utter madnesstlg86 said:She's lost the plot.
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No, she keeps saying "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed."Big_G_NorthWales said:
The political declaration and she has always said that, but not the WDAtlg86 said:May suggesting she is still negotiating. Have I heard that right?
That is, she's suggesting that the £39bn isn't a done deal, for example.0 -
Maduro, Putin, Assad to name nut three.daodao said:
Why?ydoethur said:
Some of us (especially those who are not Tories) happen to think Nick that destroying the Tories for good and all would actually be a small price to pay for keeping Corbyn out of power so somebody sane, intelligent and competent could take over Labour.NickPalmer said:
...with Oklahoma, apparently. You couldn't make it up. Though the idea floated in the Telegraph of JRM being the next Chancellor has good entertainment value too.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
My sympathies are not a secret. But does anyone feel that the Conservative Party is capable under ANY leader of offering coherent government for the country at the moment? If ever a party needed a period in opposition to sort itself out, isn't this a prime example? And if a Corbyn government (dependent on SNP and LibDem votes) would be as awful as they think - a coalition of chaos and all that - wouldn't that be an opportunity for the Tories to prepare a credible alternative?
I agree the Tories are unfit for office, but Labour are unfortunately much less fit for it.
The time is ripe for a radical change in both domestic and foreign policy. A UN expert has pointed out the extent of child poverty in the UK and acting as a Saudi poodle following the Khashoggi assassination is surely now untenable. The current Labour leadership would deliver this necessary change, with McDonnell as CoE. Corbyn has many friends overseas with whom the UK could seek cordial relations. 0 -
Her tin ear is her downfall. You cannot adapt or convince if you do not listen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe tin ear against ERG is exactly what is neededJonathan said:
May might be a very poor politician with a tin ear, no ability to convince people or unable to think on her feet - but, she is not actively dangerous like Davis who is mind bogglingly incompetant.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.
She has one argument and one technique stating ‘I am right’ over and over again in the hope people will just get bored. She used this on technical mattered in the home office, but on this others disagree and she is doing nothing to convince them.
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And that is a distinct possibility...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum0 -
LOL! What a bunch of tools!williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
How is Owen "full of sh*t" Patterson still an MP? The man is mad and stupid!0 -
Especially given the five losers doing it, could only be worse if Mundell joined them.MarqueeMark said:
When you have five members of Cabinet refusing to resign, but instead re-writing the deal she has negotiated, her inability to sack them shows her power as PM has all but gone.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would caveat that by saying cabinet could force her outFoxy said:
If she survives a VONC then they cannot sack her. Not for 12 months anyway.Pulpstar said:
I know we all joke about the incompetent fools trying to depose her, but she really will get the sack if she proposes a second ref.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the only way I can see it is if:
1) the deal reaches the Commons
2) it's defeated
3) May proposes that no deal is not what people voted for and proposes a no deal/Remain referendum
Of the various ways out of this situation, the #peoplesvote is the best. Make Britain Sane Again!0 -
OMG - do you truly believe the bilge you're putting out on here. Have you caught up with the CR polling i posted for you yet?MarqueeMark said:
But there is a subtle message of optimism from David Davis's campaign to be PM in the lyrics from Oklahoma, the musical:SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.
"Oh, what a beautiful mornin'
Oh, what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feelin'
Everything's goin' my way..." 0 -
That is relating to the political declaration. The WDA is not a problemtlg86 said:
No, she keeps saying "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed."Big_G_NorthWales said:
The political declaration and she has always said that, but not the WDAtlg86 said:May suggesting she is still negotiating. Have I heard that right?
That is, she's suggesting that the £39bn isn't a done deal, for example.0 -
Twas Dorothy of course who is still waiting for them in KansasSouthamObserver said:Who is paying for Owen Paterson and David Davis to go to Oklahoma for trade talks?
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williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Oklahoma City, to strike a deal0 -
Buccaneering Brexiteer latest ...
* Dominic Raab has discovered Britain is an island off the coast of France.
* Nadine Dorries has learned leaving the EU means having no MEPs
* David Davis and Owen Paterson have tried to negotiate a trade deal with Oklahoma.0 -
Lets hope noone is paying for them to come back.felix said:
Twas Dorothy of course who is still waiting for them in KansasSouthamObserver said:Who is paying for Owen Paterson and David Davis to go to Oklahoma for trade talks?
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I think her real downfall is worse than than a tin ear - she goes behind peoples' backs and actively undermines them. It's the story of Brexit. People have a post, then discover she has agreed to something that comes out of the blue. Which might be fine, if everybody else in her party wasn't going "WTF???" at the stuff she concedes.Jonathan said:
Her tin ear is her downfall. You cannot adapt or convince if you do not listen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe tin ear against ERG is exactly what is neededJonathan said:
May might be a very poor politician with a tin ear, no ability to convince people or unable to think on her feet - but, she is not actively dangerous like Davis who is mind bogglingly incompetant.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He worse than that. He is a danger to our whole economyJonathan said:
Someone needs to end this nonsense. It’s pathetic. David Davis is a fool.SouthamObserver said:
It is unbelievable. Genuinely unbelievable. There they stand beneath the flag of Oklahoma seeking to be thought of as serious statesmen rather than the complete cretins they are.Foxy said:
Presumably the Okies want to flog us hormone beef?alex. said:
Jesus wept.williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
Perhaps they are a good market for our innovative jams.
She has one argument and one technique stating ‘I am right’ over and over again in the hope people will just get bored. She used this on technical mattered in the home office, but on this others disagree and she is doing nothing to convince them.0 -
I think if there is. VonC and May wins then all options are on the table. At that point she can only be removed by the House of Commons, and it gives her free reign to work outside of party boundaries to gain a majority do whatever is needed to avert national disaster.0
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I don’t agree with the lot that we should leave. Cleaerly on the current options we should remain. However the Brexit bunch were accused of not having a plan earlier in the week - now they do some work on one and they are all morons. I don’t agree with them but it’s a bit disingenuous.murali_s said:
LOL! What a bunch of tools!williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
How is Owen "full of sh*t" Patterson still an MP? The man is mad and stupid!0 -
Your irony chip seems to need a reboot.....felix said:
OMG - do you truly believe the bilge you're putting out on here. Have you caught up with the CR polling i posted for you yet?MarqueeMark said:
But there is a subtle message of optimism from David Davis's campaign to be PM in the lyrics from Oklahoma, the musical:SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.
"Oh, what a beautiful mornin'
Oh, what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feelin'
Everything's goin' my way..."0 -
It would be funny if it was not so seriousDura_Ace said:williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Oklahoma City, to strike a deal0 -
Hahahaha - just when you think it can't get any worse - that should be on posters all over the country.CarlottaVance said:Don’t worry Jeremy, the rest of us do know how you’d vote....
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1064084069099683840?s=200 -
She can still be removed by mass cabinet resignationsalex. said:I think if there is. VonC and May wins then all options are on the table. At that point she can only be removed by the House of Commons, and it gives her free reign to work outside of party boundaries to gain a majority do whatever is needed to avert national disaster.
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https://tinyurl.com/ybtf3xo9felix said:
She said as much last week - the headbangers weren't listening.tlg86 said:May suggesting she is still negotiating. Have I heard that right?
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Try reading the twitter responses. I don’t think “negotiating a trade agreement” with a US state that has no power to negotiate trade agreements (you might have heard of this inconvenient Federation called the United States of America) constitutes a plan, even a bad one.Nemtynakht said:
I don’t agree with the lot that we should leave. Cleaerly on the current options we should remain. However the Brexit bunch were accused of not having a plan earlier in the week - now they do some work on one and they are all morons. I don’t agree with them but it’s a bit disingenuous.murali_s said:
LOL! What a bunch of tools!williamglenn said:
After his plan of negotiating a trade deal with Germany failed, he now wants to negotiate one with Oklahoma.Dura_Ace said:Apparently DD is the USA freelancing a trade deal. He's gone full George Costanza.
https://twitter.com/owenpaterson/status/1063860778242109441?s=21
How is Owen "full of sh*t" Patterson still an MP? The man is mad and stupid!0 -
That's right close your ears.MarqueeMark said:
Your irony chip seems to need a reboot.....felix said:
OMG - do you truly believe the bilge you're putting out on here. Have you caught up with the CR polling i posted for you yet?MarqueeMark said:
But there is a subtle message of optimism from David Davis's campaign to be PM in the lyrics from Oklahoma, the musical:SouthamObserver said:Okla-fucking-homa!!!!!??????
Are you serious?
How on earth did these people get anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, let alone the Cabinet?
The sheer, barking insanity of it is quite literally beyond comprehension.
"Oh, what a beautiful mornin'
Oh, what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feelin'
Everything's goin' my way..."0
