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2pm update: here are the MPs who have admitted sending letters to Graham Brady pic.twitter.com/go6jDLvB3s
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First. Or 67th if the ERG are counting.0
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Can this really be the same party that eviscerated Thatch and IDS?0
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Turd.0
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I see Zeffman has helpfully added a running braincell tally along the left hand side of his table.0
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"A Labour MP’s former head of communications felt “morally and legally” obliged to come forward after reading that the politician had tried to avoid a speeding offence on the night she visited him, a court heard.
Dr Christian DeFeo, who also managed campaigns for Onasanya, said he was compelled to contact police this week to tell them she had driven alone to his home near Thornley on the evening her car was recorded travelling at 41mph in a 30mph zone."0 -
Bravo on using the utterly tiresome first meme for comic effectprh47bridge said:First. Or 67th if the ERG are counting.
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48th!!!0
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Only 21?
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No. It is a pale shadow of that party and filled with spineless narcissists with over-active imaginations and being led by a woman with a tin ear...GIN1138 said:Can this really be the same party that eviscerated Thatch and IDS?
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Bravo to himTheWhiteRabbit said:"A Labour MP’s former head of communications felt “morally and legally” obliged to come forward after reading that the politician had tried to avoid a speeding offence on the night she visited him, a court heard.
Dr Christian DeFeo, who also managed campaigns for Onasanya, said he was compelled to contact police this week to tell them she had driven alone to his home near Thornley on the evening her car was recorded travelling at 41mph in a 30mph zone."0 -
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I had wondered why she would have been driving along that road.Floater said:
Bravo to himTheWhiteRabbit said:"A Labour MP’s former head of communications felt “morally and legally” obliged to come forward after reading that the politician had tried to avoid a speeding offence on the night she visited him, a court heard.
Dr Christian DeFeo, who also managed campaigns for Onasanya, said he was compelled to contact police this week to tell them she had driven alone to his home near Thornley on the evening her car was recorded travelling at 41mph in a 30mph zone."0 -
Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy. Dan Hodges
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Going about as well as that coup against Erdogan did..0
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Just think we could be mere days away from Mad Nad becoming Prime Minister!Slackbladder said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
Verified account @DPJHodges
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Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy.
What the actual f**king f**k ????
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Yes, I agree with your point on timing.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand that. Why not wait until after the vote and bung in the letters if she then goes down a route they don't like? By striking now, they risk making her stronger in the short term and more able to withstand pressure for a whole year.OblitusSumMe said:
I think it's because they are worried about what May might offer (referendum) to win support from Labour (on a second vote if necessary).Richard_Nabavi said:The ERGers do sound quite remarkably rattled. Why the panic, if The Deal is certain to be voted down anyway, as they claim?
They don't think she will simply say, "no deal it is then," in the event that she loses the first vote.
The only rational explanation for their behaviour is that they think the deal might pass in the Commons. (Well, I say 'rational', which might be putting it a bit strongly, but you know what I mean.)
It could simply be a mistake! Or they might fear support for the deal attaining an unstoppable momentum - the disruption of a leadership challenge drowns out all discussion of the deal. Perhaps that is why it is taking them time to put the letters in, to string out the drama and stop the deal from being considered calmly and on its merits.
Also, May dislikes losing votes more than the average PM (and none like it) so perhaps if she didn't have this to worry about she would be able to make offers to Labour to build a coalition of support for the deal. It's not like the deal is all that far from Labour policy.0 -
Not so much coup as coup-coup.0
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Please tell me this is true. Please ...
I have read that Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling, Liam Fox and Penny Mordaunt are going to form a group inside Cabinet to rewrite the Brexit agreement.
Has anyone else seen this?
What more is there to say?
That is genuinely hilarious.0 -
Might Peterborough be an abstention for the big vote ?TheWhiteRabbit said:"A Labour MP’s former head of communications felt “morally and legally” obliged to come forward after reading that the politician had tried to avoid a speeding offence on the night she visited him, a court heard.
Dr Christian DeFeo, who also managed campaigns for Onasanya, said he was compelled to contact police this week to tell them she had driven alone to his home near Thornley on the evening her car was recorded travelling at 41mph in a 30mph zone."0 -
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The French are looking really good compared to this shower. Maybe the ERG should order up cheese and surrender ....Alanbrooke said:
theyre french ?Beverley_C said:
If it gets voted down without them in control then who needs the ERG? They need to look like they are in charge. The problem is, as Mike has pointed out, that if they fail, then they comprehensively prove that they are nothing more than a bunch of fantasists with delusions of grandeur.Richard_Nabavi said:The ERGers do sound quite remarkably rattled. Why the panic, if The Deal is certain to be voted down anyway, as they claim?
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Its going to be deselection time after March.0 -
Just run my eye down the 21. That is one motley crew. It surely boosts TM no end if she has this bunch of bananas wanting rid of her.0
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May (And Barnier) should indulge their little game if this is true - just send Mr Werrity off to Brussels with his "rewritten" document so Barnier can say 'Non' in person to him. Then they might realise !SouthamObserver said:Please tell me this is true. Please ...
I have read that Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling, Liam Fox and Penny Mordaunt are going to form a group inside Cabinet to rewrite the Brexit agreement.
Has anyone else seen this?
What more is there to say?
That is genuinely hilarious.0 -
It's not a coup. It's using the Conservative party official procedures as JRM has said.AlastairMeeks said:Not so much coup as coup-coup.
Coup - a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.0 -
Well this not-a-coup is shambolic.David_Evershed said:
It's not a coup. It's using the Conservative party official procedures as JRM has said.AlastairMeeks said:Not so much coup as coup-coup.
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I don't know why you are not taking this more seriously. They have prepared thoroughly for this: https://www.partyrama.co.uk/crayons-in-a-box-pack-of-4/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PLA All&utm_term=1101602799545&utm_content=Ad group #1&gclid=CJH14dGQ2d4CFUtXGwodAEcEXA&gclsrc=ds#fo_c=488&fo_k=e2a943dbee1fed502f6653f2211515e8&fo_s=binggbSouthamObserver said:Please tell me this is true. Please ...
I have read that Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling, Liam Fox and Penny Mordaunt are going to form a group inside Cabinet to rewrite the Brexit agreement.
Has anyone else seen this?
What more is there to say?
That is genuinely hilarious.0 -
Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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Baker said there needs to be a single Brexit candidate to challenge for leadership. So they should go into a room and decide who it should be - by whatever method.felix said:Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy. Dan Hodges
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I expect Corbyn quite likes the deal actually. Just he prefers being PM more.OblitusSumMe said:
Yes, I agree with your point on timing.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand that. Why not wait until after the vote and bung in the letters if she then goes down a route they don't like? By striking now, they risk making her stronger in the short term and more able to withstand pressure for a whole year.OblitusSumMe said:
I think it's because they are worried about what May might offer (referendum) to win support from Labour (on a second vote if necessary).Richard_Nabavi said:The ERGers do sound quite remarkably rattled. Why the panic, if The Deal is certain to be voted down anyway, as they claim?
They don't think she will simply say, "no deal it is then," in the event that she loses the first vote.
The only rational explanation for their behaviour is that they think the deal might pass in the Commons. (Well, I say 'rational', which might be putting it a bit strongly, but you know what I mean.)
It could simply be a mistake! Or they might fear support for the deal attaining an unstoppable momentum - the disruption of a leadership challenge drowns out all discussion of the deal. Perhaps that is why it is taking them time to put the letters in, to string out the drama and stop the deal from being considered calmly and on its merits.
Also, May dislikes losing votes more than the average PM (and none like it) so perhaps if she didn't have this to worry about she would be able to make offers to Labour to build a coalition of support for the deal. It's not like the deal is all that far from Labour policy.0 -
FPTstodge said:
I have no evidence for this but my assumption is their assumption is they haven't got enough votes to defeat May but enough to wound.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand that. Why not wait until after the vote and bung in the letters if she then goes down a route they don't like? By striking now, they risk making her stronger in the short term and more able to withstand pressure for a whole year.
The only rational explanation for their behaviour is that they think the deal might pass in the Commons. (Well, I say 'rational', which might be putting it a bit strongly, but you know what I mean.)
Nick P asked the question earlier and now I'll ask it - how much of a win does May need? I'd argue that if at least 120 MPs don't vote for her she has to go. I know the rules say 160 supporting is enough but this is politics not a rule book.
Major got 218 votes in 1995 and apparently would have quit had he got less than 214. Thatcher failed the first ballot on the Berkeley rules in 1990 but had it been a straight fight who could have taken her seriously with 170 MPs not supporting her?
Perhaps, as HYUFD has opined and like Corbyn she will play absolutely to the rule book and she has the hide of a rhinoceros (I doubt the latter incidentally) and f she wins 160-158 she will claim victory and carry on but no one will be fooled.0 -
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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Nadine was very kind to me, and offered to look after my two year old son while my five year daughter used the bathroom. So, I will always have a soft spot for her.GIN1138 said:
Just think we could be mere days away from Mad Nad becoming Prime Minister!Slackbladder said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
Verified account @DPJHodges
2m2 minutes ago
Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy.
What the actual f**king f**k ????0 -
Not so much a coup as a hiccoup.0
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SouthamObserver said:
Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
https://twitter.com/timross_1/status/1063436108703432704?s=21
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Are you not entertained, are you not entertained? As Jon Stewart once asked after the magnificent Dope Diamond sequence.SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.0
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Good job it wasn't David Cameron you asked.rcs1000 said:
Nadine was very kind to me, and offered to look after my two year old son while my five year daughter used the bathroom. So, I will always have a soft spot for her.GIN1138 said:
Just think we could be mere days away from Mad Nad becoming Prime Minister!Slackbladder said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
Verified account @DPJHodges
2m2 minutes ago
Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy.
What the actual f**king f**k ????0 -
What would the other option in the referendum be?rcs1000 said:Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.
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I honestly think they thought she was a gonner yesterday and wanted to claim the credit. But she is tougher than they thought.OblitusSumMe said:
Yes, I agree with your point on timing.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand that. Why not wait until after the vote and bung in the letters if she then goes down a route they don't like? By striking now, they risk making her stronger in the short term and more able to withstand pressure for a whole year.OblitusSumMe said:
I think it's because they are worried about what May might offer (referendum) to win support from Labour (on a second vote if necessary).Richard_Nabavi said:The ERGers do sound quite remarkably rattled. Why the panic, if The Deal is certain to be voted down anyway, as they claim?
They don't think she will simply say, "no deal it is then," in the event that she loses the first vote.
The only rational explanation for their behaviour is that they think the deal might pass in the Commons. (Well, I say 'rational', which might be putting it a bit strongly, but you know what I mean.)
It could simply be a mistake! Or they might fear support for the deal attaining an unstoppable momentum - the disruption of a leadership challenge drowns out all discussion of the deal. Perhaps that is why it is taking them time to put the letters in, to string out the drama and stop the deal from being considered calmly and on its merits.
Also, May dislikes losing votes more than the average PM (and none like it) so perhaps if she didn't have this to worry about she would be able to make offers to Labour to build a coalition of support for the deal. It's not like the deal is all that far from Labour policy.0 -
The meeting is "next week", because we're not under any time pressures here.SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
https://twitter.com/timross_1/status/1063436108703432704?s=210 -
Davis did it two years ago but was undermined and ignored by May.RobD said:
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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May: in Downing Street, but not in power....SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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I'd guess that May suggested this as something to keep them busy.SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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We forget but it took a year between stalking horse challenge and ultimately toppling Thatcher. If it takes a couple of weeks here that will still be expedited compared to that.GIN1138 said:Can this really be the same party that eviscerated Thatch and IDS?
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And it reflects poorly on him that he did not resign earlier. If you are the Brexit secretary, and you are being cut out of the loop, you resign to fight your case.David_Evershed said:
Davis did it two years ago but was undermined and ignored by May.RobD said:
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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Would having a "soft spot" extend to wanting her to become Prime Minister though?rcs1000 said:
Nadine was very kind to me, and offered to look after my two year old son while my five year daughter used the bathroom. So, I will always have a soft spot for her.GIN1138 said:
Just think we could be mere days away from Mad Nad becoming Prime Minister!Slackbladder said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
Verified account @DPJHodges
2m2 minutes ago
Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy.
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Research of any sort doesn’t seem to be the ERGs strong point.0
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No deal.williamglenn said:
What would the other option in the referendum be?rcs1000 said:Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.
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We are the Whips and we know where you live. Kind regards.Beverley_C said:48th!!!
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Unification of Ireland is the neatest method to solving a future relationship. It'd certainly let the DUP know they've overplayed their hand.rcs1000 said:Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Good job it wasn't David Cameron you asked.rcs1000 said:
Nadine was very kind to me, and offered to look after my two year old son while my five year daughter used the bathroom. So, I will always have a soft spot for her.GIN1138 said:
Just think we could be mere days away from Mad Nad becoming Prime Minister!Slackbladder said:
(((Dan Hodges)))
Verified account @DPJHodges
2m2 minutes ago
Unless I misheard, Steve Baker just said on Sky the Brexiteers would "draw lots" to decide who their leadership candidate is. Draw lots. To determine the Prime Minister. This is lunacy.
What the actual f**king f**k ????
She'd had a few glasses of wine, so I didn't take her up on the offer.0 -
You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.0
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Mr. D, quite agree.0
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Yes. Which is why you'd expect May to lose the first vote on the deal, which brings us back to Richard's question on timing for the ERG coup.Pulpstar said:
I expect Corbyn quite likes the deal actually. Just he prefers being PM more.OblitusSumMe said:
Yes, I agree with your point on timing.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't understand that. Why not wait until after the vote and bung in the letters if she then goes down a route they don't like? By striking now, they risk making her stronger in the short term and more able to withstand pressure for a whole year.OblitusSumMe said:
I think it's because they are worried about what May might offer (referendum) to win support from Labour (on a second vote if necessary).Richard_Nabavi said:The ERGers do sound quite remarkably rattled. Why the panic, if The Deal is certain to be voted down anyway, as they claim?
They don't think she will simply say, "no deal it is then," in the event that she loses the first vote.
The only rational explanation for their behaviour is that they think the deal might pass in the Commons. (Well, I say 'rational', which might be putting it a bit strongly, but you know what I mean.)
It could simply be a mistake! Or they might fear support for the deal attaining an unstoppable momentum - the disruption of a leadership challenge drowns out all discussion of the deal. Perhaps that is why it is taking them time to put the letters in, to string out the drama and stop the deal from being considered calmly and on its merits.
Also, May dislikes losing votes more than the average PM (and none like it) so perhaps if she didn't have this to worry about she would be able to make offers to Labour to build a coalition of support for the deal. It's not like the deal is all that far from Labour policy.
If we go back to expectations before the deal was announced, Richard outlined the scenario where positive momentum for the deal made it politically difficult for Labour to vote against. The actions of the ERG have prevented any such positive momentum from being created, making it easy for Labour to vote against.
So Richard is right. The ERG.fear that if they don't strike now the deal could pass the Commons. Their objective appears to be to prevent it going to a vote.
Re-opening negotiations is a red herring to waste time and take us closer to no deal.0 -
Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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hear hear....SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
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I thought Olly Robbins already had the Brexit Sec job?David_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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To be fair, although there is virtually no wriggle room on the Withdrawal Agreement, there's plenty to discuss on the future relationship, where the document is currently only the broadest of broad outlines. Plus it's actually more important that the Withdrawal Agreement, which relates only to the fairly short-term.RobD said:
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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I don't see what's particularly problematic about that for her. It's not good, clearly, but her problem is she doesn't have the votes for her deal, and if that bunch cannot satisfy themselves, or the EU won't accept their changes, she still doesn't have votes for her deal.SouthamObserver said:0 -
If you are a member of the ERG you should not be permitted to operate heavy machinery, be in any position involving the supervision of children or animals, or be allowed to drive.0
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OR them to look it into it, and then come back and say TINA. If they produce that, then that also stengthens her hand.felix said:
I'd guess that May suggested this as something to keep them busy.SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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And he didn't notice until 1.5 years had elapsed?David_Evershed said:
Davis did it two years ago but was undermined and ignored by May.RobD said:
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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Lidders? Well, he was Europe Minster for the entire 2010-15 Parliament.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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Something like this.williamglenn said:
What would the other option in the referendum be?rcs1000 said:Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.
Will you:
a. Accept Mrs May's deal.
b. Be fired into the Sun using Mr Dancer's revolutionary space trebuchet.
It's a win-win.0 -
Always a fine balance between staying to fight for the cause and resigning - as Gove is finding.rcs1000 said:
And it reflects poorly on him that he did not resign earlier. If you are the Brexit secretary, and you are being cut out of the loop, you resign to fight your case.David_Evershed said:
Davis did it two years ago but was undermined and ignored by May.RobD said:
Good lord. What on earth do they hope to achieve in 1 week? And why didn't they do this say two years ago?SouthamObserver said:Magnificent, it is true. Michael Gove plus the collective brain power of Grayling, Fox, Leadsom and Mordaunt. So, Michael Gove then. Just wonderful :-D
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I honestly think all she is trying to do right now is ensure MPs do not shirk their responsibility and ensure that they vote on her deal, rather than it never gets to parliament because she is ousted. Whether her deal passes or fails I think it will be the last thing she does as PM (possibly she lasts a couple of months if the deal passes, to see if there is any chance a minority gov would work, which I don't think it would).stodge said:
I have no evidence for this but my assumption is their assumption is they haven't got enough votes to defeat May but enough to wound.
Nick P asked the question earlier and now I'll ask it - how much of a win does May need? I'd argue that if at least 120 MPs don't vote for her she has to go. I know the rules say 160 supporting is enough but this is politics not a rule book.
Major got 218 votes in 1995 and apparently would have quit had he got less than 214. Thatcher failed the first ballot on the Berkeley rules in 1990 but had it been a straight fight who could have taken her seriously with 170 MPs not supporting her?
Perhaps, as HYUFD has opined and like Corbyn she will play absolutely to the rule book and she has the hide of a rhinoceros (I doubt the latter incidentally) and f she wins 160-158 she will claim victory and carry on but no one will be fooled.0 -
They don't need the former anyway. The PM makes the calls on Brexit, clearly.David_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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Which nonentity is that thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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Lidington?malcolmg said:
Which nonentity is that thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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No, he's Minister for the Cabinet Office.JohnO said:
Lidders? Well, he was Europe Minster for the entire 2010-15 Parliament.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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They horrify me. They and momentum are one and the same. Extreme to the core and hopefully will be filleted when TM wins her deal or we remainSouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
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I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.0 -
Darn it, I was tricked by the question. That'll be the PM thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
No, he's Minister for the Cabinet Office.JohnO said:
Lidders? Well, he was Europe Minster for the entire 2010-15 Parliament.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
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I know according to the Guardian, Superheros are now verboten, but Gove's super power is the ability to start an argument in an empty lift.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, of course...so one T May.TheWhiteRabbit said:
No, he's Minister for the Cabinet Office.JohnO said:
Lidders? Well, he was Europe Minster for the entire 2010-15 Parliament.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I would say the favourite to be Brexit Sec is currently Minister for the Civil ServiceDavid_Evershed said:Will anyone want to be Brexit Sec or Work and Pensions Sec under May?
Minister for the Civil Service is an ex oficio position0 -
Shesus! Just skimmed through the thread header!
The Tories are an utter shambles!0 -
The Tories will not have or win any majority without their strand of opinion.RoyalBlue said:I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
But the division has become too deep. Clearly the two sides cannot reconcile over a very critical issue, it is no minor disagreement, and should not be in the same party any longer.
Have the fight, see which side wins, then split.0 -
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.0 -
I really hope that the opportunity is taken to drive these loons out of the party. But first things first. How does Mrs May get her deal? The current threat of talking at people until they agree is very potent but can she drive enough people to tears to carry the House?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They horrify me. They and momentum are one and the same. Extreme to the core and hopefully will be filleted when TM wins her deal or we remainSouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
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https://order-order.com/2018/11/16/baker-confronts-brexit-protestor/
I think if I was Baker I would have then said, "now f##k off and get a job, cos nobody likes you you massive bell-end".
You can hear in the tone of the media just how pissed off with him.0 -
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"Most ordinary people oppose May's deal"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Two questions:
1. Is there any evidence for your claim?
2. Should ordinary people get more votes than extraordinary people?
2a. And how do we distinguish between the ordinary and the extraordinary?0 -
Besides various adamantine Brexiteers, that ,list omits Grant Shapps, who led the last charge to get 48 names, and has enough aliases to muster half a dozen on his own.0
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And that would be the death of the Conservative Party - though that's likely to happen anyway.RoyalBlue said:I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.0 -
We won’t win a majority today. I care about the long-term, and association with no deal will be utterly terminal for my party.kle4 said:
The Tories will not have or win any majority without their strand of opinion.RoyalBlue said:I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
But the division has become too deep. Clearly the two sides cannot reconcile over a very critical issue, it is no minor disagreement, and should not be in the same party any longer.
Have the fight, see which side wins, then split.
Your last sentence doesn’t make sense. There is no need for a fight; the division is already here. They have 40MPs at best. They need to be flushed out and destroyed at an election.
Labour will be in power. So be it.0 -
"...nd the ERG are representing their views"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Urrm, if you hadn't noticed, many people reject the deal from a pro-remain standpoint. The ERG are not representing their views.0 -
If you're going to critique Rees Mogg et all for wanting a proper Brexit then how ridiculous do the likes of Jo Johnson and Sarah Wollaston look with their constant people's vote whining? And I come as that as someone who largely supports May's deal.JosiasJessop said:
"...nd the ERG are representing their views"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Urrm, if you hadn't noticed, many people reject the deal from a pro-remain standpoint. The ERG are not representing their views.0 -
I am tempted to say that membership of a political party is a good start.rcs1000 said:
"Most ordinary people oppose May's deal"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Two questions:
1. Is there any evidence for your claim?
2. Should ordinary people get more votes than extraordinary people?
2a. And how do we distinguish between the ordinary and the extraordinary?0 -
What I mean by have the fight is have this vote of no confidence, which is being used as a proxy for brexit, and then split after than demonstrates how many are on each side.RoyalBlue said:
We won’t win a majority today. I care about the long-term, and association with no deal will be utterly terminal for my party.kle4 said:
The Tories will not have or win any majority without their strand of opinion.RoyalBlue said:I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
But the division has become too deep. Clearly the two sides cannot reconcile over a very critical issue, it is no minor disagreement, and should not be in the same party any longer.
Have the fight, see which side wins, then split.
Your last sentence doesn’t make sense. There is no need for a fight; the division is already here. They have 40MPs at best. They need to be flushed out and destroyed at an election.
Labour will be in power. So be it.
I absolutely agree that Labour in power is something they will all have to contend with, some things are more important than which party is in power. If their party is trying to approve something truly terrible they should not be in it.0 -
Thinking about the ERG's 'maybe next week' - presumably the thinking (assuming there is some) is that MP's will go back to Constituencies over the weekend and take the pulse of the Tory faithful, the local Branch Chairman etc.
In which case - what are those people thinking? I imagine more pro-deal and anti-ERG taking the pulse on here but is that representative?0 -
Look at the polls about the deal floating about yesterday.rcs1000 said:
"Most ordinary people oppose May's deal"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Two questions:
1. Is there any evidence for your claim?
2. Should ordinary people get more votes than extraordinary people?
2a. And how do we distinguish between the ordinary and the extraordinary?0 -
Such polling as there has been appears to suggest most people do not like the deal, although that includes plenty of remainers hoping to remain of course, and in any case while the public's views are not to be simply dismissed, an opinion poll is not firm evidence of anything, certainly as a fixed opinion as a 20pt lead can remind us all.rcs1000 said:
"Most ordinary people oppose May's deal"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Two questions:
1. Is there any evidence for your claim?
2. Should ordinary people get more votes than extraordinary people?
2a. And how do we distinguish between the ordinary and the extraordinary?0 -
And I suppose they are moon-howling buccaneeers as well.JosiasJessop said:
"...nd the ERG are representing their views"Xenon said:
Moon-howling buccaneeers?SouthamObserver said:You know, this is actually a huge opportunity for the Conservative party to see off the moon-howling Buccaneers. I know many good Tories and I cannot believe that any of these ERG cretins, charlatans, liars and simpletons speak for them. Get these loons out, get them gone. Learn from labour before it is too late. This could well be your last chance.
Most ordinary people oppose May's deal and the ERG are representing their views. I realise most people on here want a political class stitch-up to get out of delivering on Brexit, but not everyone shares that view.
Urrm, if you hadn't noticed, many people reject the deal from a pro-remain standpoint. The ERG are not representing their views.
Along with anyone else who doesn't want this deal.0
