*) They block the current deal in parliament. *) They re-write it to make it more Brexity. *) They pass this to the EU. *) The EU say 'Non!" - as they've said they would, and they are far less likely to agree a more Brexity deal. *) Since the current deal has already been rejected in parliament, we crash out. Hard Brexit.
I cannot see any realistic way this chain will be broken: it will require the EU to massively capitulate, and there's no reason for them to do so.
Hence anyone arguing for a rewritten deal is really wanting a no-deal Brexit. And that probably includes Corbyn.
They should just be honest about it and stop all these pathetic 'we can get a better deal!' vainglorious lies.
You've left out the remainery types voting against, it isn't just the ERG and Corbyn. You may not think it realistic, but, staggeringly, the thinking appears to be 'somehow we will prevent no deal, and then it will all work out with a brand new deal or remain'.
The ERG get huge amounts of stick for have no or very unrealistic and risky plans. But that lot are no less unrealistic. Simply asserting 'no deal won't be allowed, I am sure of it, then one of the contradictory plans we have for remain or a better deal will happen' is not a plan a competent legislator should be backing. People assert things cannot happen all the time, then they do.
At least the ERG are clear, for the most part, that they accept the risk of voting this down, or don't believe there are negatives to no deal.
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of MPs to decide whether they want
a. No Deal - and I would assume that most wouldn't b. May's deal - looking dodgy, but maybe c. Remain - better than the other two, but might make us look a bit silly. d. Put b. and c. to the people to give the outcome legitimacy.
We don't have to settle for a bad deal.
It seems beyond them at present.
People know what they don't want, but they don't know what they want.
The scientific constant is always in balance so, under this adjusted gravity, the number of letters wedged in Graham Brady Old Lady's backside is now 46.9999999999999999.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Mrs May should announce a referendum in Northern Ireland on that part of her plan. I suspect that it would pass by a large margin.
Is that possible? It would be a good ploy if it was... but it unlocks the argument for Scotland too. And Sadiq would want his say. As would South West Central Norfolk.
I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
I have a feeling if she did that the Tories would win the subsequent election.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
The transition period was supposed to be about giving people time to adjust to the changes not to negotiate the changes themselves.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
I have a friend whose brothers do the emergency forest fire stuff. It is a crazy crazy job and one which doesn't pay that well or give very good benefits / much down time.
During "fire season" most of these guys drive themselves around the country to fight the fires and rescue people, with little rest during or between assignments.
The really chilling thing for me was when they showed me the fire shelters bags, which they are issued with in which if they get caught out they get into in a last ditch attempt to survive. However, they can only take so much, and so not uncommon to find them dead inside.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
Which of course is what will happen...
Or they will let us go but we'll have to let them have Northern Ireland in the process, as outlined by Selmayr.
F1: anyone thinking of backing my Gasly each way (fifth the odds top three) suggestion at 26 might want to look again as he's lengthened to 34 for reasons that I can only assume relate to nobody backing him.
Imagine this year's Red Bull with half the power deficit and more reliability. He's got a decent shot next year of being top three. 34, longer with boost, is just too long, I think. Not putting down a lot (Bottas this year proved the folly of getting carried away) but worth backing, I think.
Maybe canny punters lay your tips as soon as they appear?
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
It'll be mildly amusing if all this concludes in Corbyn getting ousted. In any normal circumstances the opposition would have been able to kill off a government so wracked with conflict. Of course a Labour party who's bottoms are so firmly glued to the fence haven't been able to do that. So far the fence-sitting has been an inspired choice, but its hardly preparing them for government.
I also wonder if the heavy barrage of EU 'that's it' comments might be reflective of their enthusiasm to have another round of talks with Corbyn.
In a way, I doubt Trump is that unhappy, as he can play it as the deep state as usual. Like his travel ban.
Having read more about Acosta, I actually think he should have got the boot. He has form for being a ranty arsehole shouting out stuff at really inopportune moments when he has been asked not to. Apparently he did so during signing agreement with Rocket Man, demanding he answered him about political prisoners in North Korea.
If everybody took his approach to dealing with a elected officials, it would be a total shit show.
Why claim you have 48 letters when you clearly don't? Just makes you look stupid.
Possibly because of the suggested 48 hour delay between Brady getting the letters and announcing that he has? Definitively saying that you've got them would put him in a difficult position.
I have a friend whose brothers do the emergency forest fire stuff. It is a crazy crazy job and one which doesn't pay that well or give very good benefits / much down time.
During "fire season" most of these guys drive themselves around the country to fight the fires and rescue people, with little rest during or between assignments.
The really chilling thing for me was when they showed me the fire shelters bags, which they are issued with in which if they get caught out they get into in a last ditch attempt to survive. However, they can only take so much, and so not uncommon to find them dead inside.
What a horrible choice. Putting the certainty of being roasted alive, but swiftly, against the risk of being slowly cooked inside a bag.
In a way, I doubt Trump is that unhappy, as he can play it as the deep state as usual. Like his travel ban.
Having read more about Acosta, I actually think he should have got the boot. He has form for being a ranty arsehole shouting out stuff at really inopportune moments when he has been asked not to. Apparently he did so during signing agreement with Rocket Man, demanding he answered him about political prisoners in North Korea.
If everybody took his approach to dealing with a elected officials, it would be a total shit show.
Trump can use reporters like this for his own ends.
I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
And that would be the death of the Conservative Party - though that's likely to happen anyway.
You know, I really don't think it will. On the other hand, even if they scrape the numbers for a VNOC they will lose and Gervase Brook-Hamster is revealed as weak as well as stupid. If they don't get the numbers by Tuesday, then its all over for the nutters and the Crash-out.
Meanwhile Cruella de Leadsom and Liam "Iran" Fox, may have the capacity to cause a lot of trouble from inside the tent, while professing loyalty...but they hold very few cards against the PM, who has never trusted them anyway. I also think that the bulk of the Tory Party will get a lot closer to nurse, for fear of something worse. I think I'm backing the BDW to stay now. Still 50/50 on a second vote, but think that May is tantalisingly close to getting her deal... Its a crappy deal, but it will be accepted by the voters because it wont lead to total f**king chaos, and will make T May look like the saviour of the day (albeit the saviour against her own nutters).
The deal even gives the Remain side the chimeric hope of re-entry "one day"...
I have a friend whose brothers do the emergency forest fire stuff. It is a crazy crazy job and one which doesn't pay that well or give very good benefits / much down time.
During "fire season" most of these guys drive themselves around the country to fight the fires and rescue people, with little rest during or between assignments.
The really chilling thing for me was when they showed me the fire shelters bags, which they are issued with in which if they get caught out they get into in a last ditch attempt to survive. However, they can only take so much, and so not uncommon to find them dead inside.
What a horrible choice. Putting the certainty of being roasted alive, but swiftly, against the risk of being slowly cooked inside a bag.
Absolutely. I admire the bravery of my friends brothers, but at the same time scratch my head somewhat, as they have family and during a normal year when it comes to the winter they often have to find themselves other jobs to support themselves.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
And that would be the death of the Conservative Party - though that's likely to happen anyway.
You know, I really don't think it will. On the other hand, even if they scrape the numbers for a VNOC they will lose and Gervase Brook-Hamster is revealed as weak as well as stupid. If they don't get the numbers by Tuesday, then its all over for the nutters and the Crash-out.
Meanwhile Cruella de Leadsom and Liam "Iran" Fox, may have the capacity to cause a lot of trouble from inside the tent, while professing loyalty...but they hold very few cards against the PM, who has never trusted them anyway. I also think that the bulk of the Tory Party will get a lot closer to nurse, for fear of something worse. I think I'm backing the BDW to stay now. Still 50/50 on a second vote, but think that May is tantalisingly close to getting her deal... Its a crappy deal, but it will be accepted by the voters because it wont lead to total f**king chaos, and will make T May look like the saviour of the day (albeit the saviour against her own nutters).
The deal even gives the Remain side the chimeric hope of re-entry "one day"...
Suspect the 'realities' of the deal will be that people's lives will continue as normal, and all this talk about vassalage will evaporate like the morning mist. The government will make a big show about restricting unskilled immigration, and the ongoing and increasingly-pathetic screams of the remaining hard brexiteers will be ignored by all and sundry.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
It's me. I just can't sign into Hotmail right now.
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Yup 60% of average household earnings. The ramping up of the tax free allowance and the NLW increases have actually made quite a bit of difference (if you think its important that is). With the medium term intention to make the NLW and 60% of income the same thing and pegged. So no one working full time should be below the poverty line.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
It's me. I just can't sign into Hotmail right now.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
It's me. I just can't sign into Hotmail right now.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
It's me. I just can't sign into Hotmail right now.
IMPOSTER I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
It is exactly what an imposter would say... get him!
I think it’s getting to the point that May should tell the ERG that if they can’t get the votes by the end of next week for a VONC, and they continue to oppose the government on Brexit, the whip will be withdrawn. If that means a general election that gives Corbyn a majority, thanks to a Tory split, so be it. The ERG, and everyone associated with it, will be finished.
These people are a cancer in the Conservative Party. They must concede or be cut out.
And that would be the death of the Conservative Party - though that's likely to happen anyway.
You know, I really don't think it will. On the other hand, even if they scrape the numbers for a VNOC they will lose and Gervase Brook-Hamster is revealed as weak as well as stupid. If they don't get the numbers by Tuesday, then its all over for the nutters and the Crash-out.
Meanwhile Cruella de Leadsom and Liam "Iran" Fox, may have the capacity to cause a lot of trouble from inside the tent, while professing loyalty...but they hold very few cards against the PM, who has never trusted them anyway. I also think that the bulk of the Tory Party will get a lot closer to nurse, for fear of something worse. I think I'm backing the BDW to stay now. Still 50/50 on a second vote, but think that May is tantalisingly close to getting her deal... Its a crappy deal, but it will be accepted by the voters because it wont lead to total f**king chaos, and will make T May look like the saviour of the day (albeit the saviour against her own nutters).
The deal even gives the Remain side the chimeric hope of re-entry "one day"...
Suspect the 'realities' of the deal will be that people's lives will continue as normal, and all this talk about vassalage will evaporate like the morning mist. The government will make a big show about restricting unskilled immigration, and the ongoing and increasingly-pathetic screams of the remaining hard brexiteers will be ignored by all and sundry.
If we get the deal, of course.
Yes, the battle is now deal versus second vote and therefore remain...
What a horrible choice. Putting the certainty of being roasted alive, but swiftly, against the risk of being slowly cooked inside a bag.
Paradise is or was the size of Haverhill or Melton Mowbray so not insignificant and it has been destroyed - the drone coverage shows appalling and complete devastation. It was also inhabited by many elderly people for whom time to and means of escape were often limited.
The notion of hundreds having perished is awful - I hope those "missing" are simply out of contact with relatives and friends and have found shelter elsewhere.
I love California - it's a beautiful place and the people are very friendly. I'm a particular fan of Palm Springs and hope to spend part of a few winters there in the future.
The Tories seem intent on gifting Corbyn the next election. Those sending in no confidence letters are a completely disorganised rabble with no idea what they want instead. Those supporting May are supporting an atrociously bad deal with no merits and to deliver which the Tories have abdicated their entire domestic policy agenda. It’s shameful.
It may be a bad deal, but it does have merits. To take the most obvious one for Brexiters, it ensures Brexit actually happens. That is still probable even without it, but not as certain is it was.
With immigration undecided, trade unresolved, the common rule book over which we have no say foisted on us, NI left in limbo, the transition period length unresolved, how is that Brexit ?
It's Britain leaving the European Union. Which was the only thing on the referendum ballot paper and the only thing that there is an actual mandate for.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
Is there any way to get from phase 1 to phase 2? I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
They don't want the backstop (if it comes into effect) to be indefinite because it would breach their Four Freedoms. That is why they will want to negotiate an FTA with us.
@Sean_F are you back to posting under Sean_Fear now, or is this an impostor?!
It's me. I just can't sign into Hotmail right now.
IMPOSTER I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
Only Thing We Have to say it's Fear, is Fear Himself.
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Half of all workers earn below the median wage. This is unacceptable. There should be rioting and strikes until this ridiculous unfairness is remedied.
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Half of all workers earn below the median wage. This is unacceptable. There should be rioting and strikes until this ridiculous unfairness is remedied.
*) They block the current deal in parliament. *) They re-write it to make it more Brexity. *) They pass this to the EU. *) The EU say 'Non!" - as they've said they would, and they are far less likely to agree a more Brexity deal. *) Since the current deal has already been rejected in parliament, we crash out. Hard Brexit.
I cannot see any realistic way this chain will be broken: it will require the EU to massively capitulate, and there's no reason for them to do so.
Hence anyone arguing for a rewritten deal is really wanting a no-deal Brexit. And that probably includes Corbyn.
They should just be honest about it and stop all these pathetic 'we can get a better deal!' vainglorious lies.
And so, instead of the EU capitulating, we should?
(Snip)
No. They should be honest. Instead of going through the charade of rewriting it, say: "we should and will crash out."
And on their heads be it.
Forget the UK. Look at what Brussels has got.
At the moment, they are looking at 2 years of red-line posturing resulting in a package that a mortally wounded PM cannot pass through the House. A crash-out Brexit is all they have to show for their "Non!".
Fucking A1 job, boys.
Luckily the EU economies are looking so strong they can take a loss of GDP in their stride.
Oh.
And a UK that is going to HAVE to come after them with a package of investment breaks and ultra-low corporate taxes that will make their eyes bleed.
Yep. A1 job. Prats.
Of course the EU will be hurt by us exiting in a No Deal scenario. But we'll be worse hit. In all likelihood much worse hit.
One point on the coup - don't forget Brady will give May 48 hours notice before he triggers the VONC. I assume that doesn't include weekends, we're potentially on a bit of a delayed schedule here. Whether Steve Baker himself realises this, I'm not sure...
Oh. I didn't know that. I thought he was obligated to organise a vote on the next day that Parliament was sitting.
The 1922 Committee rules don't say anything about Brady having to give notice to May, but nor do they say anything that would prevent him from doing so. As for the date of the vote, the rules say that Brady must consult May then hold the vote "as soon as possible in the circumstances prevailing".
"He highlighted predictions that child poverty could rise by 7% between 2015 and 2022, possibly up to a rate of 40%."
That will be the IFS, who have repeatedly predicted massive child poverty increases as a result of welfare reform, right back from the early 2010s. Child poverty has four measures, at worst it has stayed the same on one measure, but on the other measures it has dropped.
*) They block the current deal in parliament. *) They re-write it to make it more Brexity. *) They pass this to the EU. *) The EU say 'Non!" - as they've said they would, and they are far less likely to agree a more Brexity deal. *) Since the current deal has already been rejected in parliament, we crash out. Hard Brexit.
I cannot see any realistic way this chain will be broken: it will require the EU to massively capitulate, and there's no reason for them to do so.
Hence anyone arguing for a rewritten deal is really wanting a no-deal Brexit. And that probably includes Corbyn.
They should just be honest about it and stop all these pathetic 'we can get a better deal!' vainglorious lies.
And so, instead of the EU capitulating, we should?
(Snip)
No. They should be honest. Instead of going through the charade of rewriting it, say: "we should and will crash out."
And on their heads be it.
Forget the UK. Look at what Brussels has got.
At the moment, they are looking at 2 years of red-line posturing resulting in a package that a mortally wounded PM cannot pass through the House. A crash-out Brexit is all they have to show for their "Non!".
Fucking A1 job, boys.
Luckily the EU economies are looking so strong they can take a loss of GDP in their stride.
Oh.
And a UK that is going to HAVE to come after them with a package of investment breaks and ultra-low corporate taxes that will make their eyes bleed.
Yep. A1 job. Prats.
Of course the EU will be hurt by us exiting in a No Deal scenario. But we'll be worse hit. In all likelihood much worse hit.
But we as a Nation have a reputation for enjoying self flagellation, This can only be in the National interest
And my old BBC colleague Damian Green is worthy of a return
If Hague does the DExEU job, May will have rallied the troops, and the ERGers will be toast... I sense a Tory rally round in the offing, rather than any early defenestration.
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Half of all workers earn below the median wage. This is unacceptable. There should be rioting and strikes until this ridiculous unfairness is remedied.
Which is why the Comrade Corbyn will insist on equal pay for all*. Nobody will earn less than the median wage!
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Half of all workers earn below the median wage. This is unacceptable. There should be rioting and strikes until this ridiculous unfairness is remedied.
Worse still the modal wage is ZERO!
Much like future Guardian readership numbers I guess.
guess it wont make much difference to the absolutist DUP though
Well they know their seats are always pretty much safe, so they can afford to never bend from what they perceive as their principles unless they well jolly well choose to themselves.
If I was May, no more balance. Just put in Dealers or Remainers into the Cabinet.
+1 I agree the time for balance is over.
Yeah she's already sold Brexiteers (that's like 70% of her members and voters but we won't worry about that) down the river...
Why bother keeping up the pretense now?
I voted Tory in 2017 and I don't feel she has sold me out or any of the other Tory voters I know.
A negotiation means a compromise.
I would rather Remain and if MPs with your views don't stop messing about I hope you get something you really don't like which is Remain or another referendum. If it means people like you leave the Tory party I will be glad as I cannot understand this obsession with Europe and wanting no deal otherwise known as economic suicide!
Total horseshit. If 25% of the population were living in real poverty there would be widespread riots on a daily basis.
They keep using this relative poverty term, despite even those who came up with the metric rejecting how it is now used.
Half of all workers earn below the median wage. This is unacceptable. There should be rioting and strikes until this ridiculous unfairness is remedied.
Which is why the Comrade Corbyn will insist on equal pay for all*. Nobody will earn less than the median wage!
* senior party members excepted.
That won't be a salary, they'll get some compensatory reward for good service like a grace and favour home, just that they get to keep.
I kid, I kid, if there is one thing we can be sure of is Corbyn will be personally frugal as ever.
If I was May, no more balance. Just put in Dealers or Remainers into the Cabinet.
+1 I agree the time for balance is over.
Yeah she's already sold Brexiteers (that's like 70% of her members and voters but we won't worry about that) down the river...
Why bother keeping up the pretense now?
I voted Tory in 2017 and I don't feel she has sold me out or any of the other Tory voters I know.
A negotiation means a compromise.
I would rather Remain and if MPs with your views don't stop messing about I hope you get something you really don't like which is Remain or another referendum. If it means people like you leave the Tory party I will be glad as I cannot understand this obsession with Europe and wanting no deal otherwise known as economic suicide!
guess it wont make much difference to the absolutist DUP though
Well they know their seats are always pretty much safe, so they can afford to never bend from what they perceive as their principles unless they well jolly well choose to themselves.
No Deal would hurt quite a few of their rural voters.
*) They block the current deal in parliament. *) They re-write it to make it more Brexity. *) They pass this to the EU. *) The EU say 'Non!" - as they've said they would, and they are far less likely to agree a more Brexity deal. *) Since the current deal has already been rejected in parliament, we crash out. Hard Brexit.
I cannot see any realistic way this chain will be broken: it will require the EU to massively capitulate, and there's no reason for them to do so.
Hence anyone arguing for a rewritten deal is really wanting a no-deal Brexit. And that probably includes Corbyn.
They should just be honest about it and stop all these pathetic 'we can get a better deal!' vainglorious lies.
And so, instead of the EU capitulating, we should?
(Snip)
No. They should be honest. Instead of going through the charade of rewriting it, say: "we should and will crash out."
And on their heads be it.
Forget the UK. Look at what Brussels has got.
At the moment, they are looking at 2 years of red-line posturing resulting in a package that a mortally wounded PM cannot pass through the House. A crash-out Brexit is all they have to show for their "Non!".
Fucking A1 job, boys.
Luckily the EU economies are looking so strong they can take a loss of GDP in their stride.
Oh.
And a UK that is going to HAVE to come after them with a package of investment breaks and ultra-low corporate taxes that will make their eyes bleed.
Yep. A1 job. Prats.
Of course the EU will be hurt by us exiting in a No Deal scenario. But we'll be worse hit. In all likelihood much worse hit.
guess it wont make much difference to the absolutist DUP though
Well they know their seats are always pretty much safe, so they can afford to never bend from what they perceive as their principles unless they well jolly well choose to themselves.
If I was May, no more balance. Just put in Dealers or Remainers into the Cabinet.
+1 I agree the time for balance is over.
Yeah she's already sold Brexiteers (that's like 70% of her members and voters but we won't worry about that) down the river...
Why bother keeping up the pretense now?
I voted Tory in 2017 and I don't feel she has sold me out or any of the other Tory voters I know.
A negotiation means a compromise.
I would rather Remain and if MPs with your views don't stop messing about I hope you get something you really don't like which is Remain or another referendum. If it means people like you leave the Tory party I will be glad as I cannot understand this obsession with Europe and wanting no deal otherwise known as economic suicide!
I'm on the other side of the EU argument to you. I dislike Theresa May's nanny statism and think she has a political tin ear, but I don't consider that she's sold me out on the EU.
Our absurd voting system with so many MPs effectively sheltered from electoral pressure in their safe seats is a significant contributory factor to the current fiasco.
I would rather Remain and if MPs with your views don't stop messing about I hope you get something you really don't like which is Remain or another referendum. If it means people like you leave the Tory party I will be glad as I cannot understand this obsession with Europe and wanting no deal otherwise known as economic suicide!
I've given up. On Brexit. And on the Tories.
I'm not in the Tory Party (thank god) and I'm waiting to vote for Jezza at the next available opportunity.
*) They block the current deal in parliament. *) They re-write it to make it more Brexity. *) They pass this to the EU. *) The EU say 'Non!" - as they've said they would, and they are far less likely to agree a more Brexity deal. *) Since the current deal has already been rejected in parliament, we crash out. Hard Brexit.
I cannot see any realistic way this chain will be broken: it will require the EU to massively capitulate, and there's no reason for them to do so.
Hence anyone arguing for a rewritten deal is really wanting a no-deal Brexit. And that probably includes Corbyn.
They should just be honest about it and stop all these pathetic 'we can get a better deal!' vainglorious lies.
And so, instead of the EU capitulating, we should?
(Snip)
No. They should be honest. Instead of going through the charade of rewriting it, say: "we should and will crash out."
And on their heads be it.
Forget the UK. Look at what Brussels has got.
At the moment, they are looking at 2 years of red-line posturing resulting in a package that a mortally wounded PM cannot pass through the House. A crash-out Brexit is all they have to show for their "Non!".
Fucking A1 job, boys.
Luckily the EU economies are looking so strong they can take a loss of GDP in their stride.
Oh.
And a UK that is going to HAVE to come after them with a package of investment breaks and ultra-low corporate taxes that will make their eyes bleed.
Yep. A1 job. Prats.
Of course the EU will be hurt by us exiting in a No Deal scenario. But we'll be worse hit. In all likelihood much worse hit.
It still represents an epic failure.
They have drastically underestimated the chances of a crash out. Probably because they listened to the sort of people on this side who think conceding something to us in negotiation would be doing us a favour.
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The scientific constant is always in balance so, under this adjusted gravity, the number of letters wedged in Graham Brady Old Lady's backside is now 46.9999999999999999.
The Withdrawal Agreement was always intended to be phase I of the disengagement, that's what "transition period" means. You can't disentangle forty years of economic integration overnight. Well you can, but your economy will crash and burn if you do.
A judge appointed by Trump has so ordered.
Given that he appears to have s**t-for-brains, I haven't actually ruled that possibility out.
I can imagine the EU can just tell us to get stuffed if we try to negotiate anything else.
During "fire season" most of these guys drive themselves around the country to fight the fires and rescue people, with little rest during or between assignments.
The really chilling thing for me was when they showed me the fire shelters bags, which they are issued with in which if they get caught out they get into in a last ditch attempt to survive. However, they can only take so much, and so not uncommon to find them dead inside.
Or they will let us go but we'll have to let them have Northern Ireland in the process, as outlined by Selmayr.
I also wonder if the heavy barrage of EU 'that's it' comments might be reflective of their enthusiasm to have another round of talks with Corbyn.
Having read more about Acosta, I actually think he should have got the boot. He has form for being a ranty arsehole shouting out stuff at really inopportune moments when he has been asked not to. Apparently he did so during signing agreement with Rocket Man, demanding he answered him about political prisoners in North Korea.
If everybody took his approach to dealing with a elected officials, it would be a total shit show.
https://twitter.com/sckhko/status/1063440296229445633
Meanwhile Cruella de Leadsom and Liam "Iran" Fox, may have the capacity to cause a lot of trouble from inside the tent, while professing loyalty...but they hold very few cards against the PM, who has never trusted them anyway. I also think that the bulk of the Tory Party will get a lot closer to nurse, for fear of something worse. I think I'm backing the BDW to stay now. Still 50/50 on a second vote, but think that May is tantalisingly close to getting her deal... Its a crappy deal, but it will be accepted by the voters because it wont lead to total f**king chaos, and will make T May look like the saviour of the day (albeit the saviour against her own nutters).
The deal even gives the Remain side the chimeric hope of re-entry "one day"...
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1063393918719541249
Poverty envoy says callous policies driven by political desire for social re-engineering"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/uk-austerity-has-inflicted-great-misery-on-citizens-un-says
If we get the deal, of course.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/uk-austerity-has-inflicted-great-misery-on-citizens-un-says
The notion of hundreds having perished is awful - I hope those "missing" are simply out of contact with relatives and friends and have found shelter elsewhere.
I love California - it's a beautiful place and the people are very friendly. I'm a particular fan of Palm Springs and hope to spend part of a few winters there in the future.
I agree the time for balance is over.
That will be the IFS, who have repeatedly predicted massive child poverty increases as a result of welfare reform, right back from the early 2010s. Child poverty has four measures, at worst it has stayed the same on one measure, but on the other measures it has dropped.
Why bother keeping up the pretense now?
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/alliance-news/detail/1542382993157357000.html
guess it wont make much difference to the absolutist DUP though
* senior party members excepted.
Much like future Guardian readership numbers I guess.
bit of a blunder there BBC
@EuropeElects
1h1 hour ago
UK, Survation poll:
EU membership ref
Remain: 53% (+3)
Leave: 47% (-3)
Field work: 15/11/18
Sample size: 828"
A negotiation means a compromise.
I would rather Remain and if MPs with your views don't stop messing about I hope you get something you really don't like which is Remain or another referendum. If it means people like you leave the Tory party I will be glad as I cannot understand this obsession with Europe and wanting no deal otherwise known as economic suicide!
I kid, I kid, if there is one thing we can be sure of is Corbyn will be personally frugal as ever.
I'm not in the Tory Party (thank god) and I'm waiting to vote for Jezza at the next available opportunity.