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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,684
    Some interesting EV stats here:
    http://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/

    China is the clear world leader - but it's notable that over a third of new cars in Norway are already electric.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841

    Gove would be far better at the detail on all this.
    PM - DD

    Gove - COTE

    Raab - Brexit Sec (but empowered not emasculated like Theresa May)


    Where would that leave Boris though? :D
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,080
    Dura_Ace said:

    Don't be so dismissive of DD. Perhaps a chronically lazy and malignantly stupid ideologue is what Brexit needs at this stage of the game. He was Head of European Photocopier Procurement at Tate & Lyle you know.
    LOL! Love it!
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Yorkcity said:

    Can not argue with that seems a good idea to break the May log jam.

    Another bonus is David Davis is an ex council house lad from York who made good .
    Be nice for the city to be associated with a new Prime Minster.

    Harold Wilson as a boy lived in York for while.
    His father ran the poor house.

    My grandfather on my mother's side ,always said up to his death his dread of ever having to go there.
    Which thankfully was never the case.
    If the Tories attempt to change leader now the government will implode and the Brexit process will collapse with it. So all I can say is......go for it!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    murali_s said:

    To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!

    A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
    I think Barnier just sat back spooling out the rope waiting for the inevitable to happen.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Agree - and of course NI voted to Remain. So given that the issue of the Irish border seems to be the issue here why not get the N Irish to vote on it. The DUP do not necessarily reflect the views of Northern Ireland.
    But they do reflect the views as that is who has been elected. The people of Northern Ireland have had not just one but two elections since the referendum. In both of them the DUP have been duly elected as the largest party in Northern Ireland. So its not for May's benefit to involve them in the discussions it reflects the people who have voted whether we like it or not to elect them.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    murali_s said:

    To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!

    A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
    Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    GIN1138 said:

    PM - DD

    Gove - COTE

    Raab - Brexit Sec (but empowered not emasculated like Theresa May)


    Where would that leave Boris though? :D
    Bringing down the Expedia website like the rest of us trying to escape.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    GIN1138 said:

    Where would that leave Boris though? :D

    Up himself
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Dura_Ace said:

    Arlene's bowler hat would be revolving at 10,000rpm at the mere thought of Option 1. The DUP would collapse the government immediately.
    No doubt. But if such a referendum were to find a way through and give, assuming a yes vote, the rest of the country a transition deal, might the government get the votes of another 10 MPs or more to get it through? No idea. But it seems to me a possible way through the impasse.

    And it would be hard for the DUP to argue against the principle of consent since that is the very basis of their argument against a united Ireland - only with consent.

    So why not this? With NI’s consent.
  • If the Tories attempt to change leader now the government will implode and the Brexit process will collapse with it. So all I can say is......go for it!
    The process has already collapsed!
  • Last night I tipped David Mundell at 50/1* as next out of the cabinet.

    He's now 5/1.

    *My stake was restricted to £10 but boosted to 60/1
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,080
    TOPPING said:

    Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
    Thanks TOPPING.

    I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
  • murali_s said:

    Thanks TOPPING.

    I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
    Well done sir.

    A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'

    Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.

    Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    I love the way the number of letters has always been about 40 for like a year now, always with 'a few more' going in. We should be up to about a hundred by now if those 'a few more going in' and 40 claim were actually true.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sammy-wilson-hits-out-at-vile-varadkar-over-despicable-low-and-rotten-border-violence-claim-37437173.html

    All kicking off between DUP and Leo. The problem May has is do both the DUP and Leo have political space to back down. My view is they do not.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    murali_s said:

    Thanks TOPPING.

    I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
    Agree.

    We are all so forthright on here there really is no excuse not to apply some of that heroism in real life!!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,784

    Well done sir.

    A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'

    Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.

    Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
    PM for you
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,346
    Off-topic:

    The BBC gets geographically confused:

    "The team, working on improvements to the A14 between Cambridge and Hunstanton, discovered a number of bones while digging near Fenstanton."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-45905645

    Methinks they mean Huntingdon ... ;)
  • Last night I tipped David Mundell at 50/1* as next out of the cabinet.

    He's now 5/1.

    *My stake was restricted to £10 but boosted to 60/1

    There's a bookie that lets you win £600?

    How much have you been losing???
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,784

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sammy-wilson-hits-out-at-vile-varadkar-over-despicable-low-and-rotten-border-violence-claim-37437173.html

    All kicking off between DUP and Leo. The problem May has is do both the DUP and Leo have political space to back down. My view is they do not.

    inevitable, Varadkar has just been winding up the North for the sake of it.
  • PM for you
    Cheers, replied.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2018
    It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.

    Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-governments-negotiating-objectives-for-exiting-the-eu-pm-speech
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658
    edited October 2018

    There's a bookie that lets you win £600?

    How much have you been losing???
    Shadsy is good to me, considering I took £1,200 off him in 12 hours this April.

    Is one of the perks if you write regular pieces for the country's best political betting website.

    I suspect my account will be closed if Jeremy Hunt becomes next PM.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,320
    edited October 2018

    Last night I tipped David Mundell at 50/1* as next out of the cabinet.

    He's now 5/1.

    *My stake was restricted to £10 but boosted to 60/1

    Is it based on him leaving by choice or getting booted out for his weedy hot & cold resignation act & general uselessness?
  • Is it based on him leaving by choice or getting booted out for his weedy hot & cold resignation act & general uselessness?
    The former.

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1053031457898287107
  • What's astonishing with all this talk of DD as PM is that it shows how far Boris's stock has plummeted. Why and when did this happen? Only a few weeks ago there were queues a mile long to watch Boris address a fringe event.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Is it based on him leaving by choice or getting booted out for his weedy hot & cold resignation act & general uselessness?
    Him and Roofy the pretendy McTories see a delay in exiting the CFP as fatal to their McElection chances for Holyrood.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.

    Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-governments-negotiating-objectives-for-exiting-the-eu-pm-speech

    It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
  • The former.

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1053031457898287107
    Wish he'd make his mind up.

    'He told the BBC: “I haven’t threatened to resign.

    “What I’ve said is that I regard the integrity of the United Kingdom as absolutely essential in these negotiations.

    “We’re not going to prejudice the integrity of our United Kingdom and I’m very pleased – as you would see in yesterday’s statement – that the Prime Minister is absolutely behind that.”'

    https://tinyurl.com/y6wqc4bx
  • NEW THREAD

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    I love the way the number of letters has always been about 40 for like a year now, always with 'a few more' going in. We should be up to about a hundred by now if those 'a few more going in' and 40 claim were actually true.

    25 are probably from Nadine Dorries and the rest will like be purist MPs believing - really really really hard - that they can replace May with one of their own (but is he/she and which one...) who will put the 27 other nations in their place.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    What's astonishing with all this talk of DD as PM is that it shows how far Boris's stock has plummeted. Why and when did this happen? Only a few weeks ago there were queues a mile long to watch Boris address a fringe event.

    Boris's speech at conference was awful.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,395

    1000% correct. The backstop was raised because they knew May was weak and could be pushed into locking the UK under EU control.
    Either that or the RoI lobbying operation in Brussels is quick off the mark and Varadkar thought he was being clever....
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TOPPING said:

    It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
    Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,395

    Parliament will reject May's botched omnishambles. The key is what happens afterwards.
    i) The EU says: "OK, here's a better deal"

    ii) The EU says: "Pity. Full steam ahead with No Deal Preparations. See you on March 30th. Ireland - we tried, but you're now totally f*cked"

    Which do you think?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
    Consult, not negotiate.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TOPPING said:

    Consult, not negotiate.
    You don't think that happened?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    You don't think that happened?
    Do you??
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2018
    TOPPING said:

    Do you??
    Yes, clearly May consulted with other leaders, though (publicly at least) they just told her to notify. The nature of their private advice would be interesting to know - I think it's pretty clear they saw triggering Article 50 as a trap, but, as discussed, probably an unavoidable one.
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