Raab would be like ten times better if you want the job done.
Don't be so dismissive of DD. Perhaps a chronically lazy and malignantly stupid ideologue is what Brexit needs at this stage of the game. He was Head of European Photocopier Procurement at Tate & Lyle you know.
Can not argue with that seems a good idea to break the May log jam.
Another bonus is David Davis is an ex council house lad from York who made good . Be nice for the city to be associated with a new Prime Minster.
Harold Wilson as a boy lived in York for while. His father ran the poor house.
My grandfather on my mother's side ,always said up to his death his dread of ever having to go there. Which thankfully was never the case.
If the Tories attempt to change leader now the government will implode and the Brexit process will collapse with it. So all I can say is......go for it!
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
I think Barnier just sat back spooling out the rope waiting for the inevitable to happen.
1. Ask the Northern Irish in a referendum whether they are prepared to remain within the SM/CU without the ability to vote for the rules affecting them and with a border between them and the rest of the country they belong to. If they are, then the rest of us can hardly complain and we can do the deal that is apparently 85% agreed. If they are not, then the EU’s proposal breaches the principle of consent contained in the GFA.
2. Start planning immediately for a NoDeal exit and try, if at all possible, to have some mini-deals in place for planes, medecines etc. Then face life alone without the benefit of previous economic arrangements and see what trade deals can be agreed.
3. A referendum to see whether Britain wants to go ahead with a NoDeal or to Remain. This would have to be before 29 March and if Remain were to win we withdraw Article 50.
All have risks attached. But faffing about is no longer an option. I don’t care much about May’s future. She’s not up to it and a new face may help, who knows. Nor do I care about the Tories who have got us into this mess. But we need to get real - and fast - about the options open to us.
I agree with most of what you say. However when thinking about the issue of Northern Ireland we shouldn't forget that the Good Friday Agreement was difficult enough to achieve but was made much easier by the fact that both Eire and the UK were members of the EU. Leaving the EU is a big problem for NI. The EU's suggestion is based on what would be best for Eire, the country remaining in the EU whilst the UK's suggestion is based on what is best for TMay's government which is kept afloat by the DUP. As with a lot of things to do with Brexit, 'I wouldn't start from here'.
Agree - and of course NI voted to Remain. So given that the issue of the Irish border seems to be the issue here why not get the N Irish to vote on it. The DUP do not necessarily reflect the views of Northern Ireland.
But they do reflect the views as that is who has been elected. The people of Northern Ireland have had not just one but two elections since the referendum. In both of them the DUP have been duly elected as the largest party in Northern Ireland. So its not for May's benefit to involve them in the discussions it reflects the people who have voted whether we like it or not to elect them.
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
1. Ask the Northern Irish in a referendum whether they are prepared to remain within the SM/CU without the ability to vote for the rules affecting them and with a border between them and the rest of the country they belong to. If they are, then the rest of us can hardly complain and we can do the deal that is apparently 85% agreed. If they are not, then the EU’s proposal breaches the principle of consent contained in the GFA.
2. Start planning immediately for a NoDeal exit and try, if at all possible, to have some mini-deals in place for planes, medecines etc. Then face life alone without the benefit of previous economic arrangements and see what trade deals can be agreed.
3. A referendum to see whether Britain wants to go ahead with a NoDeal or to Remain. This would have to be before 29 March and if Remain were to win we withdraw Article 50.
All have risks attached. But faffing about is no longer an option. I don’t care much about May’s future. She’s not up to it and a new face may help, who knows. Nor do I care about the Tories who have got us into this mess. But we need to get real - and fast - about the options open to us.
I agree with most of what you say. However when thinking about the issue of Northern Ireland we shouldn't forget that the Good Friday Agreement was difficult enough to achieve but was made much easier by the fact that both Eire and the UK were members of the EU. Leaving the EU is a big problem for NI. The EU's suggestion is based on what would be best for Eire, the country remaining in the EU whilst the UK's suggestion is based on what is best for TMay's government which is kept afloat by the DUP. As with a lot of things to do with Brexit, 'I wouldn't start from here'.
Agree - and of course NI voted to Remain. So given that the issue of the Irish border seems to be the issue here why not get the N Irish to vote on it. The DUP do not necessarily reflect the views of Northern Ireland.
Arlene's bowler hat would be revolving at 10,000rpm at the mere thought of Option 1. The DUP would collapse the government immediately.
No doubt. But if such a referendum were to find a way through and give, assuming a yes vote, the rest of the country a transition deal, might the government get the votes of another 10 MPs or more to get it through? No idea. But it seems to me a possible way through the impasse.
And it would be hard for the DUP to argue against the principle of consent since that is the very basis of their argument against a united Ireland - only with consent.
Can not argue with that seems a good idea to break the May log jam.
Another bonus is David Davis is an ex council house lad from York who made good . Be nice for the city to be associated with a new Prime Minster.
Harold Wilson as a boy lived in York for while. His father ran the poor house.
My grandfather on my mother's side ,always said up to his death his dread of ever having to go there. Which thankfully was never the case.
If the Tories attempt to change leader now the government will implode and the Brexit process will collapse with it. So all I can say is......go for it!
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
Thanks TOPPING.
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
Thanks TOPPING.
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
Well done sir.
A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'
Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.
Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
I love the way the number of letters has always been about 40 for like a year now, always with 'a few more' going in. We should be up to about a hundred by now if those 'a few more going in' and 40 claim were actually true.
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
Thanks TOPPING.
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
Agree.
We are all so forthright on here there really is no excuse not to apply some of that heroism in real life!!
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
Thanks TOPPING.
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
Well done sir.
A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'
Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.
Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
Isn't DD somewhat responsible for the current clusterfuck? Had he been more engaged in his last job, better prepared or just slightly more intelligent. I think it would be kinder and quicker if the Conservative party just legally dissolved itself. DD is as thick as shit with none of the utility of it...
To coin a phrase, DD is not the solution to the Brexit problem, he is the Brexit problem!
A sharp tool like Barnier made him look what he is - a clueless, lazy but jovial dullard.
Heard about your adventures yesterday. Well done you. The sad fact is that if you approach someone under those circumstances there is an expectation that it will not be taken well.
Thanks TOPPING.
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
Well done sir.
A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'
Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.
Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
What's astonishing with all this talk of DD as PM is that it shows how far Boris's stock has plummeted. Why and when did this happen? Only a few weeks ago there were queues a mile long to watch Boris address a fringe event.
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
'He told the BBC: “I haven’t threatened to resign.
“What I’ve said is that I regard the integrity of the United Kingdom as absolutely essential in these negotiations.
“We’re not going to prejudice the integrity of our United Kingdom and I’m very pleased – as you would see in yesterday’s statement – that the Prime Minister is absolutely behind that.”'
I love the way the number of letters has always been about 40 for like a year now, always with 'a few more' going in. We should be up to about a hundred by now if those 'a few more going in' and 40 claim were actually true.
25 are probably from Nadine Dorries and the rest will like be purist MPs believing - really really really hard - that they can replace May with one of their own (but is he/she and which one...) who will put the 27 other nations in their place.
What's astonishing with all this talk of DD as PM is that it shows how far Boris's stock has plummeted. Why and when did this happen? Only a few weeks ago there were queues a mile long to watch Boris address a fringe event.
Canada+ has been on offer since day one but May has rejected it. .
Because she's the Prime Minister of the UK, not just GB.
The EU offered Canada+ on day one, the proposal of the backstop only came months later after we had been messing around for months. Had we on day one said 'yes lets go for that' the backstop may have never even become an issue.
1000% correct. The backstop was raised because they knew May was weak and could be pushed into locking the UK under EU control.
Either that or the RoI lobbying operation in Brussels is quick off the mark and Varadkar thought he was being clever....
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
Paying for WTO terms is no legal requirement on any definition.
No Deal will ultimately lead to EUref2 and 55% for Remain over 45% for No Deal in the polls despite your utterly contemptible wish to wreck the economy and union. Your fanaticism will consume and destroy the very Brexit you are pushing so hard for.
If you think the 40 Tory MPs who hold the balance of power in Parliament who are ardently anti No Deal Brexit like Grieve, Rudd and Wollaston will accept your plans think again. Whatever the DUP does without their support the government could easily fall if No Deal and No EUref2. For them and indeed for most Remainers No Deal will be utterly unacceptable and they will fight and fight and fight again to reverse it.
The only Brexit now that will not lead to a near civil war is SM plus CU and aim eventually for a FTA
They don't have a choice. Remainers are in a checkmate position based on their own propaganda. The second a deal is reached and faced with a no deal alternative they have no choice but to ratify it.
"No choice"?
Heh, I have a feeling this opinion won't age well. Plus it assumes that there's a single person anywhere who has fallen for May's "there is no alternative" schtick.
Rejecting May's botched deal doesn't mean Parliament wants No Deal, it means Parliament is rejecting May's botched deal. What happens afterwards is the interesting bit.
What Parliament wants is immaterial, Parliament can want the moon on the stick or May's imaginary cake-and-eating-it being in and out of the Single Market simultaneously. It doesn't matter.
What matters is what can be agreed with the EU. If we have reached an agreement with the EU the decision for Parliament is take it or leave it.
Parliament will reject May's botched omnishambles. The key is what happens afterwards.
i) The EU says: "OK, here's a better deal"
ii) The EU says: "Pity. Full steam ahead with No Deal Preparations. See you on March 30th. Ireland - we tried, but you're now totally f*cked"
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
It seems to have become a truth universally acknowledged that Theresa May triggered Article 50 without a clear plan and without laying out her negotiation strategy.
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
It is another truth universally acknowledged, which appears actually truthful, that when it concerns the EU, any speech on anything at any time delivered anywhere without pre-consultation with the EU is tantamount to having given no speech at all.
Well, the EU wouldn't negotiate before notification. I'm not clear what people think May should have done instead. (Other than come out for Remain, which is ultimately what many of them seem to think!)
Consult, not negotiate.
You don't think that happened?
Do you??
Yes, clearly May consulted with other leaders, though (publicly at least) they just told her to notify. The nature of their private advice would be interesting to know - I think it's pretty clear they saw triggering Article 50 as a trap, but, as discussed, probably an unavoidable one.
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http://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/
China is the clear world leader - but it's notable that over a third of new cars in Norway are already electric.
Gove - COTE
Raab - Brexit Sec (but empowered not emasculated like Theresa May)
Where would that leave Boris though?
And it would be hard for the DUP to argue against the principle of consent since that is the very basis of their argument against a united Ireland - only with consent.
So why not this? With NI’s consent.
He's now 5/1.
*My stake was restricted to £10 but boosted to 60/1
I think we should call out bad behaviour whenever it arises. Always a fine line between between calling it out and turning the other cheek. But, if we don't stand up for what we believe in then what is the point!
A few months ago at St Pancras this man in a rush barged into me and didn't apologise, I muttered something like 'I hope your cock falls off'
Moments later, he slipped and fell and hurt himself rushing towards the tube station.
Instant karma is great when it isn't aimed at you.
All kicking off between DUP and Leo. The problem May has is do both the DUP and Leo have political space to back down. My view is they do not.
We are all so forthright on here there really is no excuse not to apply some of that heroism in real life!!
The BBC gets geographically confused:
"The team, working on improvements to the A14 between Cambridge and Hunstanton, discovered a number of bones while digging near Fenstanton."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-45905645
Methinks they mean Huntingdon ...
https://twitter.com/paulembery/status/1053221687976701952?s=21
How much have you been losing???
Like many such universally-acknowledged truths, it's completely false. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017. She set out her negotiating strategy and plan on the 17th January 2017:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-governments-negotiating-objectives-for-exiting-the-eu-pm-speech
Is one of the perks if you write regular pieces for the country's best political betting website.
I suspect my account will be closed if Jeremy Hunt becomes next PM.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1053031457898287107
'He told the BBC: “I haven’t threatened to resign.
“What I’ve said is that I regard the integrity of the United Kingdom as absolutely essential in these negotiations.
“We’re not going to prejudice the integrity of our United Kingdom and I’m very pleased – as you would see in yesterday’s statement – that the Prime Minister is absolutely behind that.”'
https://tinyurl.com/y6wqc4bx
NEW THREAD
ii) The EU says: "Pity. Full steam ahead with No Deal Preparations. See you on March 30th. Ireland - we tried, but you're now totally f*cked"
Which do you think?