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Depends, a majority of Tory MPs are still not in the ERGbigjohnowls said:
Lab, could easily support a Customs UnionHYUFD said:
The proposal on a Customs Union is not for a final deal but to resolve the Irish backstop issue for a withdrawal agreement and transition period.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:
A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, second referendum enthusiasts would be wise to make those the options, if they actually get another vote.
It'd depress Leave voter turnout because at least some will be unhappy with the deal (and probably the second vote itself). A straight Remain/Leave re-run would be likelier to go Leave again.
But whatever happens, this will rumble on for decades.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "
Even if the ERG and DUP oppose it I think enough Labour and LD backbenchers could support it to get the transition period
Dont think May can survive one as leader of Tories though0 -
Boris played a set of his greatest hits. Nothing new. I don't think he'll chart again.kle4 said:So, for those who haven't checked the news yet today, how was Boris's speech? Passionate but empty of detail? Surprisingly insightful? A damp squib? Glorified only by the true believers? Has he swayed the doubters?
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Oh merde.ydoethur said:
Don't be dumb Mr Eagles.TheScreamingEagles said:I knew it. @ydoethur is a Russian troll.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi abuse blamed on Russian trolls and 'political agendas'.
Report finds half of negative comments aimed at Rian Johnson’s movie came from Twitter bots or trolls, indicating fan backlash was overstated.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/02/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rian-johnson-abuse-politically-motivated-russian-trolls
I can't even pronounce 'Khrushchyevka' properly.
Somebody who speaks French, now, comes under automatic suspicion of treason...0 -
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp0 -
William is fond of the EU in the same way that Tony Montana was fond of Columbian marching powder.Nigel_Foremain said:
He may not be "fond" of the EU at all. He might be like me and recognise that it is far from perfect as an institution, but that Brexit is a collective insanity that is mainly advocated by morons, nationalistic nutjobs and opportunist egotists. (I'll let you guess who falls in the last category).John_M said:
I had an inkling that William was mildly fond of the EU. But some straws are too frail to be grasped and May having any political nous is such a one.twistedfirestopper3 said:
William will believe anything if it is anti Brexit. He's been sent mad by it. I reckon he is Andrew Adonis.John_M said:
We're talking about May, Hammond et al. They have trouble walking in a straight line. The idea that May is some kind of political Moriarty with an infeasibly cunning plan for reverse-ferreting the UK back into the EU is, in my view, wishful thinking of the first water.williamglenn said:
Not if they get the timing and presentation right. It would instantly transform the political landscape.dixiedean said:
But wouldn't proposing one bring down the government anyway?williamglenn said:
All the more reason to jump straight to proposing a referendum. That would neutralise any attempt to bring down the government from any quarter.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:
A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, second referendum enthusiasts would be wise to make those the options, if they actually get another vote.
It'd depress Leave voter turnout because at least some will be unhappy with the deal (and probably the second vote itself). A straight Remain/Leave re-run would be likelier to go Leave again.
But whatever happens, this will rumble on for decades.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "0 -
Mais oui, Monsieur les Aigles qui crient!TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh merde.ydoethur said:
Don't be dumb Mr Eagles.TheScreamingEagles said:I knew it. @ydoethur is a Russian troll.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi abuse blamed on Russian trolls and 'political agendas'.
Report finds half of negative comments aimed at Rian Johnson’s movie came from Twitter bots or trolls, indicating fan backlash was overstated.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/02/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rian-johnson-abuse-politically-motivated-russian-trolls
I can't even pronounce 'Khrushchyevka' properly.
Somebody who speaks French, now, comes under automatic suspicion of treason...
Edit - at least my autocorrect is duly patriotic and refuses to accept 'oui!'0 -
William makes the EU sound like far worse an institution than it is - heartless, unstoppably acquisitive and uncaring, something that must be accepted as a crushing inevitability. Even if Brexit is what you believe, I regret to say William is very good at making a case for leave. Better, indeed, than many leave campaigners, who it is true tended to overpromise.Nigel_Foremain said:
He may not be "fond" of the EU at all. He might be like me and recognise that it is far from perfect as an institution, but that Brexit is a collective insanity that is mainly advocated by morons, nationalistic nutjobs and opportunist egotists. (I'll let you guess who falls in the last category).John_M said:
I had an inkling that William was mildly fond of the EU. But some straws are too frail to be grasped and May having any political nous is such a one.twistedfirestopper3 said:
William will believe anything if it is anti Brexit. He's been sent mad by it. I reckon he is Andrew Adonis.John_M said:
We're talking about May, Hammond et al. They have trouble walking in a straight line. The idea that May is some kind of political Moriarty with an infeasibly cunning plan for reverse-ferreting the UK back into the EU is, in my view, wishful thinking of the first water.williamglenn said:
Not if they get the timing and presentation right. It would instantly transform the political landscape.dixiedean said:
But wouldn't proposing one bring down the government anyway?williamglenn said:
All the more reason to jump straight to proposing a referendum. That would neutralise any attempt to bring down the government from any quarter.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:
A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, second referendum enthusiasts would be wise to make those the options, if they actually get another vote.
It'd depress Leave voter turnout because at least some will be unhappy with the deal (and probably the second vote itself). A straight Remain/Leave re-run would be likelier to go Leave again.
But whatever happens, this will rumble on for decades.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "0 -
I am surprised he would reveal that information, he must be getting somewhat annoyed.williamglenn said:0 -
In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is being described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/0 -
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.0 -
Mr Kle4, you may be right, though it underlines a problem that I think has dogged the whole debate, that "The EU" is referred to as though it is an amorphous mass. There is a minority view in Europe that would like it this way, but in reality it is a club made up of 28/27 sovereign states. "The EU" is no more a single thinking body than "The Jews" or "The Foreigners", but it helps people that hate such groups to encourage us all to think that way. If William helps with that thinking you may be right, but I do think you possibly deliberately misrepresent him0
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So still not quite as bad as The Last Jedi then?TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is being described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/0 -
And in the case of Brexit, it looks terrible, so what does that mean...?kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.0 -
I'm not misrepresenting him, I certainly do not think that is the picture he intends to paint of the EU, but it the interpretation I draw from how he describes it, and its ruthlessness and inevitability. It isn't because I want to believe that of the EU either - I may have voted leave, but that was not because I have an inherent dislike of the dream of what the EU could be, and I do not think it is as bad as William, unintentionally, makes it sound. But with all respect to him, as he is a good chap, he does attempt to sell that dream at all.Nigel_Foremain said:Mr Kle4, you may be right, though it underlines a problem that I think has dogged the whole debate, that "The EU" is referred to as though it is an amorphous mass. There is a minority view in Europe that would like it this way, but in reality it is a club made up of 28/27 sovereign states. "The EU" is no more a single thinking body than "The Jews" or "The Foreigners", but it helps people that hate such groups to encourage us all to think that way. If William helps with that thinking you may be right, but I do think you possibly deliberately misrepresent him
The point remains though that people did a poor job selling a positive image of the EU in the referendum, and making the EU sound bad by talk of it browbeating us, as some do, is probably not hugely persuasive either. If there is a second referendum, and I think there will be, I hope someone puts a more positive case on it.0 -
The EU is none of those things, but the underlying economic logic of why leaving willkle4 said:
William makes the EU sound like far worse an institution than it is - heartless, unstoppably acquisitive and uncaring, something that must be accepted as a crushing inevitability. Even if Brexit is what you believe, I regret to say William is very good at making a case for leave. Better, indeed, than many leave campaigners, who it is true tended to overpromise.Nigel_Foremain said:
He may not be "fond" of the EU at all. He might be like me and recognise that it is far from perfect as an institution, but that Brexit is a collective insanity that is mainly advocated by morons, nationalistic nutjobs and opportunist egotists. (I'll let you guess who falls in the last category).John_M said:
I had an inkling that William was mildly fond of the EU. But some straws are too frail to be grasped and May having any political nous is such a one.twistedfirestopper3 said:
William will believe anything if it is anti Brexit. He's been sent mad by it. I reckon he is Andrew Adonis.John_M said:
We're talking about May, Hammond et al. They have trouble walking in a straight line. The idea that May is some kind of political Moriarty with an infeasibly cunning plan for reverse-ferreting the UK back into the EU is, in my view, wishful thinking of the first water.williamglenn said:
Not if they get the timing and presentation right. It would instantly transform the political landscape.dixiedean said:
But wouldn't proposing one bring down the government anyway?williamglenn said:
All the more reason to jump straight to proposing a referendum. That would neutralise any attempt to bring down the government from any quarter.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "
be a disaster for the EU is. In science fiction terms, we’re heading into a “The Cold Equations” situation. We haven’t yet stowed away on the emergency supplies ship, but we’re plannjng to. I pray we will change our mind before it’s too late.0 -
We might well yet, but next time (and I do think there will be a second referendum somehow) I would advise against a campaign talking of how useless it is to stand up to the european imperium. Most don't, and when some do (in a supposedly positive way), it hardens leavers who might flip like me for instance.rpjs said:
The EU is none of those things, but the underlying economic logic of why leaving willkle4 said:
William makes the EU sound like far worse an institution than it is - heartless, unstoppably acquisitive and uncaring, something that must be accepted as a crushing inevitability. Even if Brexit is what you believe, I regret to say William is very good at making a case for leave. Better, indeed, than many leave campaigners, who it is true tended to overpromise.Nigel_Foremain said:
He y).John_M said:
I had an inkling that William was mildly fond of the EU. But some straws are too frail to be grasped and May having any political nous is such a one.twistedfirestopper3 said:
William will believe anything if it is anti Brexit. He's been sent mad by it. I reckon he is Andrew Adonis.John_M said:
We're talking about May, Hammond et al. They have trouble walking in a straight line. The idea that May is some kind of political Moriarty with an infeasibly cunning plan for reverse-ferreting the UK back into the EU is, in my view, wishful thinking of the first water.williamglenn said:
Not if they get the timing and presentation right. It would instantly transform the political landscape.dixiedean said:
But wouldn't proposing one bring down the government anyway?williamglenn said:
All the more reason to jump straight to proposing a referendum. That would neutralise any attempt to bring down the government from any quarter.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "
be a disaster for the EU is. In science fiction terms, we’re heading into a “The Cold Equations” situation. We haven’t yet stowed away on the emergency supplies ship, but we’re plannjng to. I pray we will change our mind before it’s too late.0 -
It'll probably be very bad.Nigel_Foremain said:
And in the case of Brexit, it looks terrible, so what does that mean...?kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.0 -
"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
Yes, because they were so cuddly before.AndyJS said:"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
Unfortunately there has rarely been anyone in the UK that has put a positive case for the EU, unlike the rest of the member states. We were reluctant members, and though I think Brexit is insane, I do see that it might have been better had we not gone in. There have been huge benefits to this country from membership, and a lot of those benefits came as a result of British influence (Thatcherite reforms, the Single Market etc.), but all our moronic press and politicians can bleat on about is the negative and the downright silly. It is a crying shame.kle4 said:
I'm not misrepresenting him, I certainly do not think that is the picture he intends to paint of the EU, but it the interpretation I draw from how he describes it, and its ruthlessness and inevitability. It isn't because I want to believe that of the EU either - I may have voted leave, but that was not because I have an inherent dislike of the dream of what the EU could be, and I do not think it is as bad as William, unintentionally, makes it sound.Nigel_Foremain said:Mr Kle4, you may be right, though it underlines a problem that I think has dogged the whole debate, that "The EU" is referred to as though it is an amorphous mass. There is a minority view in Europe that would like it this way, but in reality it is a club made up of 28/27 sovereign states. "The EU" is no more a single thinking body than "The Jews" or "The Foreigners", but it helps people that hate such groups to encourage us all to think that way. If William helps with that thinking you may be right, but I do think you possibly deliberately misrepresent him
The point remains though that people did a poor job selling a positive image of the EU in the referendum, and making the EU sound bad by talk of it browbeating us, as some do, is probably not hugely persuasive either. If there is a second referendum, and I think there will be, I hope someone puts a more positive case on it.0 -
Yet he was fine when Farage was calling Muslims Fifth Columnists or when Kippers were saying same sex marriage caused flooding.AndyJS said:"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
Talking to themselves - not the nationHYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news0 -
Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Talking to themselves - not the nationHYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news
In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?0 -
There were only 20 at the meetingHYUFD said:
Depends, a majority of Tory MPs are still not in the ERGbigjohnowls said:
Lab, could easily support a Customs UnionHYUFD said:
The proposal on a Customs Union is not for a final deal but to resolve the Irish backstop issue for a withdrawal agreement and transition period.logical_song said:
They need to have a deal first. If they go for the one recently trailed then the DUP may not like it:williamglenn said:
A straight Leave/Remain rerun boils down to those two options anyway, because unless Leave is accompanied by overthrowing the government, it will mean accepting the deal they've negotiated.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, second referendum enthusiasts would be wise to make those the options, if they actually get another vote.
It'd depress Leave voter turnout because at least some will be unhappy with the deal (and probably the second vote itself). A straight Remain/Leave re-run would be likelier to go Leave again.
But whatever happens, this will rumble on for decades.
"On Monday, ex-Brexit minister Steve Baker told Sky News that if true, the proposal would probably see the DUP "bring down the government". "
Even if the ERG and DUP oppose it I think enough Labour and LD backbenchers could support it to get the transition period
Dont think May can survive one as leader of Tories though0 -
Not that I am invested in the question, but my sense has generally been that there was clear blue water between UKIP and the likes of BNP, EDL and other nasties.DavidL said:
Yes, because they were so cuddly before.AndyJS said:"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?0 -
Boris is box office and news, and very entertaining. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp0 -
That was roughly my reaction!DavidL said:
Yes, because they were so cuddly before.AndyJS said:"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp0 -
I don't spend a lot of time on it (they are, after all, the Norwegian Blue of political parties) but it seems to me that the water was neither clear nor particularly deep. Indeed they seemed to all fish in the same cesspools.Ishmael_Z said:
Not that I am invested in the question, but my sense has generally been that there was clear blue water between UKIP and the likes of BNP, EDL and other nasties.DavidL said:
Yes, because they were so cuddly before.AndyJS said:"Former UKIP leadership candidate Bill Etheridge resigns
A former UKIP leadership candidate has left the party and branded it a "vehicle of hate towards Muslims and the gay community".
In a resignation letter, West Midlands MEP Bill Etheridge said changes made since current leader Gerard Batten took over have "changed the party beyond all recognition"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-457234900 -
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp0 -
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?0 -
I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentrationkle4 said:
Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Talking to themselves - not the nationHYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news
In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?
Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same
At present the only grown up is TM0 -
Reckless of you. His educational reforms are rising to a very crescendo of scandal that could have fearsome implications for the government.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
He is very much The Last Jedi of politics.0 -
Nonetheless you can make a case for him: he's very bright, feisty, speaks very well, is unruffled in interviews, takes a strategic view, and would fight Corbynism vigorously. Of course he woudn't be my first choice by any means.ydoethur said:
Reckless of you. His educational reforms are heating up to a very crescendo of scandal that could have fearsome implications for the government.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
He is very much The Last Jedi of politics.
There is no case to be made for JRM, and you have to suspend a lot of disbelief to make a case for Boris, for all his talents.0 -
He said in 2004 he wanted to destroy Man Utd. In 2018 he hasDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
He is a disgrace to the club and should be sacked immediately0 -
Turns out it was fake newsDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/10471808604899450880 -
Valencia (C) v Valencia
Amusing.0 -
I agree. I am disappointed he is getting another game tbh.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said in 2004 he wanted to destroy Man Utd. In 2018 he hasDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
He is a disgrace to the club and should be sacked immediately0 -
Evening all
Part of me says it's a sign of a Party which is confident of remaining in power whatever which can indulge in such seemingly negative self-publicity.
Perhaps the Conservatives genuinely believe that however bad they get, as long as the alternative is Corbyn, they will always have the support of at least 40% of the electorate.
They may be right but they only have to be wrong once.0 -
Would that be the same Last Jedi that made $1.3 billion at the box office and has a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes?ydoethur said:
Reckless of you. His educational reforms are rising to a very crescendo of scandal that could have fearsome implications for the government.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
He is very much The Last Jedi of politics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi0 -
But...but some people online think parts of it make no sense!HYUFD said:
Would that be the same Last Jedi that made $1.3 billion at the box office and has a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes?ydoethur said:
Reckless of you. His educational reforms are rising to a very crescendo of scandal that could have fearsome implications for the government.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
He is very much The Last Jedi of politics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi
Just kidding, making money and even critical approval are no guarantees of quality unfortunately, there are plenty of successful, well reviewed movies I think are bad.0 -
I can only think of one MP who has publically said he was withdrawing his letter (though I've forgotten who it was) - so Brady is specifically calling him a liar.williamglenn said:0 -
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A government with a lower approval rating than Gordon Brown in 2009 (!!!!) leads in the polls. It's very hard to think that anyone other than Corbyn could achieve this.stodge said:Evening all
Part of me says it's a sign of a Party which is confident of remaining in power whatever which can indulge in such seemingly negative self-publicity.
Perhaps the Conservatives genuinely believe that however bad they get, as long as the alternative is Corbyn, they will always have the support of at least 40% of the electorate.
They may be right but they only have to be wrong once.0 -
DavidL said:
Indeed but to what extent will this Conservative self-indulgence continue to be tolerated by the electorate?stodge said:
A government with a lower approval rating than Gordon Brown in 2009 (!!!!) leads in the polls. It's very hard to think that anyone other than Corbyn could achieve this.
As long as Corbyn is Labour leader or even after that?0 -
Agreed. In all honesty, a 7 year transition would make more sense on the way out just as we had on the way in.rcs1000 said:
I disagree with you here. I think it doesn't matter so much (in terms of medium term economic growth) what kind of Brexit we have, but it does matter that we have an orderly transition to it.David_Evershed said:
Having a WTO Brexit would mean we don't want to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement (paying money to he EU) nor revoke Article 50 (which is not ours to revoke).williamglenn said:
Binary choice: Ratify the Withdrawal Agreement or Revoke Article 50. It's the right thing to do and whoever wins, it will legitimise the outcome.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So what. It does not matter who backs it you need to showchowcit would happenwilliamglenn said:David Willetts backs second referendum:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/former-tory-cabinet-minister-lord-willetts-backs-second-brexit-referendum-a3951621.html
Also it is not certain who would win
So, we need to negotiate bilateral corporate tax treaties with the EU-27 during a transition period, for example, and to ensure that (as much as possible) existing EU trading arrangements are replicated.
But, there is zero trust on either side for that and the long-term planning and politics that’d be required to build a consensus around that are totally non-existent.0 -
You’re taking geopolitical risk on the locationrcs1000 said:
They don't have to be at sea, though. Patagonia would work, for instance.Andrew said:
Galileo has stations all over the place already:JosiasJessop said:
IANAE on GPS, but it wouldn't surprise me if Williamson was correct. For instance, Russia recently opened a ground station for Glosnass in Nicaragua, and another in SA.
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/Service_interruption_for_Galileo_system_upgrade
Does look like a bit of a gap wrt the Falklands though - don't think there are any French rocks down there.
They probably assumed the UK was a stable long term partner
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The 2010-15 government regularly had approval ratings about as low as the current government though, and Miliband failed miserably against them.DavidL said:
A government with a lower approval rating than Gordon Brown in 2009 (!!!!) leads in the polls. It's very hard to think that anyone other than Corbyn could achieve this.stodge said:Evening all
Part of me says it's a sign of a Party which is confident of remaining in power whatever which can indulge in such seemingly negative self-publicity.
Perhaps the Conservatives genuinely believe that however bad they get, as long as the alternative is Corbyn, they will always have the support of at least 40% of the electorate.
They may be right but they only have to be wrong once.0 -
Subjectively you will find someone who dislikes any film, that does not change the fact success of a film is judged by box office takings and critical response in that orderkle4 said:
But...but some people online think parts of it make no sense!HYUFD said:
Would that be the same Last Jedi that made $1.3 billion at the box office and has a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes?ydoethur said:
Reckless of you. His educational reforms are rising to a very crescendo of scandal that could have fearsome implications for the government.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp
He is very much The Last Jedi of politics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi
Just kidding, making money and even critical approval are no guarantees of quality unfortunately, there are plenty of successful, well reviewed movies I think are bad.0 -
And you wonder why I despair with both of them and their groupsTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Years ago Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo had an informal rule which was (I think!) that if a film was promoted on posters on bus shelters, it was going to be bad. The one exception they could think of was Sean of the Dead.kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.
There some films I like - and even love - that the critics hated, and some that the critics loved than I hated.
An example of the former is Battleship: a fairly ridiculous premise, and some leaden dialogue, but quite good in other ways and ten times better than any of the Terminator franchise.
An example of the latter was Inception: as boring as heck, with characters who served no purpose and a plot that was meant to be confusing but was easy to follow: then again, we loved Primer ...
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Christ has gone up in my opinion ....Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said in 2004 he wanted to destroy Man Utd. In 2018 he hasDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
He is a disgrace to the club and should be sacked immediately0 -
Sean of the Dead was one of those funnier in theory than in practice deals, like spinal tap.JosiasJessop said:
Years ago Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo had an informal rule which was (I think!) that if a film was promoted on posters on bus shelters, it was going to be bad. The one exception they could think of was Sean of the Dead.kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.
There some films I like - and even love - that the critics hated, and some that the critics loved than I hated.
An example of the former is Battleship: a fairly ridiculous premise, and some leaden dialogue, but quite good in other ways and ten times better than any of the Terminator franchise.
An example of the latter was Inception: as boring as heck, with characters who served no purpose and a plot that was meant to be confusing but was easy to follow: then again, we loved Primer ...0 -
An MP is a liar? surprise.surprise...Most MP's have been at least economical with the truth. Would you count yourself amongst such company?NickPalmer said:
I can only think of one MP who has publically said he was withdrawing his letter (though I've forgotten who it was) - so Brady is specifically calling him a liar.williamglenn said:0 -
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It would be interesting to know what the base stations are used for: I assume they are needed where they are to allow constant or near-constant contact with all the satellites in the constellation, so that if any commands are required (as an example, perhaps a manoeuvre to avoid orbital debris) it can be done in a timely manner as all satellites will always be able to 'see' at least one station.Charles said:
You’re taking geopolitical risk on the locationrcs1000 said:
They don't have to be at sea, though. Patagonia would work, for instance.Andrew said:
Galileo has stations all over the place already:JosiasJessop said:
IANAE on GPS, but it wouldn't surprise me if Williamson was correct. For instance, Russia recently opened a ground station for Glosnass in Nicaragua, and another in SA.
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/Service_interruption_for_Galileo_system_upgrade
Does look like a bit of a gap wrt the Falklands though - don't think there are any French rocks down there.
They probably assumed the UK was a stable long term partner
And we would be if they didn’t decide that we were a risk for some reason
In which case, the risk of 'losing' a station isn't automatically disastrous, as they orbit twice a day, and will soon be within sight of another station.
It might be that the stations need codes for the military aspects, and they don't want to share those with us. But that could probably be got around as well.
More information needed ...0 -
Nah, at a political conference everyone wants to go to an event that looks like it will make the news. Which this one clearly was. It isn't a comment either pro or anti that it was well attended.Roger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.0 -
I loved Sean of the Dead.Ishmael_Z said:
Sean of the Dead was one of those funnier in theory than in practice deals, like spinal tap.JosiasJessop said:
Years ago Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo had an informal rule which was (I think!) that if a film was promoted on posters on bus shelters, it was going to be bad. The one exception they could think of was Sean of the Dead.kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.
There some films I like - and even love - that the critics hated, and some that the critics loved than I hated.
An example of the former is Battleship: a fairly ridiculous premise, and some leaden dialogue, but quite good in other ways and ten times better than any of the Terminator franchise.
An example of the latter was Inception: as boring as heck, with characters who served no purpose and a plot that was meant to be confusing but was easy to follow: then again, we loved Primer ...
Ii actually preferred the second film in the trilogy, Hot Fuzz. Although it perhaps didn't travel well: an American guy thought it was ridiculous, as the central premise of people wanting to win a 'best kept village' competition would never happen, and the entire concept of such a competition was silly ...0 -
Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.0
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You rate Williamson (g) above Boris?!Richard_Nabavi said:
Gove.ydoethur said:
Only second? Which one of Gove and the Moggster do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp0 -
PB Tory falls for FAKE NEWSTheScreamingEagles said:
Turns out it was fake newsDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1047180860489945088
Nothing to see here!!0 -
Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow
Good time to do a speech0 -
Apparently the Falklands/Ascension stations are purely "Sensor Stations". Presumably the more ground stations that can see a satellite at once, the more accurate its location can be pinpointed for calibration purposes (the on-board clocks will drift).JosiasJessop said:
It would be interesting to know what the base stations are used for
https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/World_of_Galileo
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We are all PB Tories now, comrade!bigjohnowls said:
PB Tory falls for FAKE NEWSTheScreamingEagles said:
Turns out it was fake newsDavidL said:
Christ, if he has fallen out with DeGea now he really is looking for the payoff.TheScreamingEagles said:A lot of journos saying David De Gea has been left out of the squad for tonight's match against Valencia.
Time for boots to be filled on Valencia winning?
https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1047180860489945088
Nothing to see here!!0 -
The writing’s on the wall for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow
Good time to do a speech
Which is an improvement over last year.0 -
Niche, but I like it.Jonathan said:0 -
I'll be out doing a run. I wonder if my running partner would mind me having a radio playing in one ear?Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow
Good time to do a speech 0 -
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.0 -
MUFC game delayed traffic congestion.
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The whole cornetto trilogy is stupidly brilliant (perhaps have adjective and adverb the wrong way round there) but actually I thought The World’s End was by far the best, having only got round to watching it for the first time this year. It’s worth it just for the first visual gag on chain pubs.JosiasJessop said:
I loved Sean of the Dead.Ishmael_Z said:
Sean of the Dead was one of those funnier in theory than in practice deals, like spinal tap.JosiasJessop said:
Years ago Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo had an informal rule which was (I think!) that if a film was promoted on posters on bus shelters, it was going to be bad. The one exception they could think of was Sean of the Dead.kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.
There some films I like - and even love - that the critics hated, and some that the critics loved than I hated.
An example of the former is Battleship: a fairly ridiculous premise, and some leaden dialogue, but quite good in other ways and ten times better than any of the Terminator franchise.
An example of the latter was Inception: as boring as heck, with characters who served no purpose and a plot that was meant to be confusing but was easy to follow: then again, we loved Primer ...
Ii actually preferred the second film in the trilogy, Hot Fuzz. Although it perhaps didn't travel well: an American guy thought it was ridiculous, as the central premise of people wanting to win a 'best kept village' competition would never happen, and the entire concept of such a competition was silly ...0 -
williamglenn said:
I didn’t realise the DUP had taken to capitalising ‘NO’ in writing as well as speech these days.0 -
It might just be. Have you ever seen all our political parties so screwed up at the same time? That this happens during some of the most critical decisions is a concern. Unprecedented, or at least not seen since the 1920s.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.0 -
And let’s not forget Sean of the T....Polruan said:
The whole cornetto trilogy is stupidly brilliant (perhaps have adjective and adverb the wrong way round there) but actually I thought The World’s End was by far the best, having only got round to watching it for the first time this year. It’s worth it just for the first visual gag on chain pubs.JosiasJessop said:
I loved Sean of the Dead.Ishmael_Z said:
Sean of the Dead was one of those funnier in theory than in practice deals, like spinal tap.JosiasJessop said:
Years ago Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo had an informal rule which was (I think!) that if a film was promoted on posters on bus shelters, it was going to be bad. The one exception they could think of was Sean of the Dead.kle4 said:
The trailers looked bloody awful, which is rarely a good sign - even terrible movies can usually be made to look, even poorly thought out half finished movies.TheScreamingEagles said:In disappointing geek news.
The reviews for Venom are in, and it is be described as Catwoman bad.
https://www.gamesradar.com/catwoman-level-bad-the-first-reactions-to-venom-are-in-and-ooft/
There's probably a corollary to politics there - even the bad can be made to look good, so if ti looks bad, it is probably terrible.
There some films I like - and even love - that the critics hated, and some that the critics loved than I hated.
An example of the former is Battleship: a fairly ridiculous premise, and some leaden dialogue, but quite good in other ways and ten times better than any of the Terminator franchise.
An example of the latter was Inception: as boring as heck, with characters who served no purpose and a plot that was meant to be confusing but was easy to follow: then again, we loved Primer ...
Ii actually preferred the second film in the trilogy, Hot Fuzz. Although it perhaps didn't travel well: an American guy thought it was ridiculous, as the central premise of people wanting to win a 'best kept village' competition would never happen, and the entire concept of such a competition was silly ...
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Nor, as polling shows, is No Deal acceptable to most voters in the UKwilliamglenn said:
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Badly parked bus?bigjohnowls said:MUFC game delayed traffic congestion.
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dixiedean said:
Badly parked bus?bigjohnowls said:MUFC game delayed traffic congestion.
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I think Utd will win tonightbigjohnowls said:dixiedean said:
Badly parked bus?bigjohnowls said:MUFC game delayed traffic congestion.
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Thanks. In which case I fail to see the problem from the EU's perspective - just pay us a little money for the use of the stations. It'd be far cheaper than producing new stations. I'm probably missing something - perhaps they're afraid we could spoof the satellites with inaccurate adjustments or something.Andrew said:
Apparently the Falklands/Ascension stations are purely "Sensor Stations". Presumably the more ground stations that can see a satellite at once, the more accurate its location can be pinpointed for calibration purposes (the on-board clocks will drift).JosiasJessop said:
It would be interesting to know what the base stations are used for
https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/World_of_Galileo0 -
I’ve not followed recent polling that closely - is there any single specific form of Brexit (rather than nebulous leaving with no defined destination) that beats remaining in the EU in a forced binary choice?HYUFD said:0 -
No it really is notCasino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.0 -
Jonathan said:
It might just be. Have you ever seen all our political parties so screwed up at the same time? That this happens during some of the most critical decisions is a concern. Unprecedented, or at least not seen since the 1920s.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.
Nah, it’s not.Jonathan said:
It might just be. Have you ever seen all our political parties so screwed up at the same time? That this happens during some of the most critical decisions is a concern. Unprecedented, or at least not seen since the 1920s.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.
Sometimes I come on here after a busy day at work and realise we all live on a different planet on here. Politics is politics. Britain is actually doing ok.
If politics really is that bad then it’s politics and politicians who only have themselves to blame, not the voters who have been far too frustrated for far too long, patronised and talked down to.0 -
The interesting comment is Unionists. That incudes Ruth Davidson and Paul Davies, new conservative leader in WalesPolruan said:williamglenn said:
I didn’t realise the DUP had taken to capitalising ‘NO’ in writing as well as speech these days.0 -
Give it time.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.
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I’m not sure that Arlene necessarily consulted them before making that statement on their behalf though.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting comment is Unionists. That incudes Ruth Davidson and Paul Davies, new conservative leader in WalesPolruan said:williamglenn said:
I didn’t realise the DUP had taken to capitalising ‘NO’ in writing as well as speech these days.0 -
Doesn't seem to bother the Americans with their monitoring stations for GPS. Most are on US territory or permanent foreign bases (eg Diego Garcia, Ascension, Bahrain, S Korea), but they have some abroad: Ecuador, Uruguay, Argentina, Australia and NZ.JosiasJessop said:Thanks. In which case I fail to see the problem from the EU's perspective - just pay us a little money for the use of the stations. It'd be far cheaper than producing new stations. I'm probably missing something - perhaps they're afraid we could spoof the satellites with inaccurate adjustments or something.
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I'll say this for Brexit. It is an education. I learnt today that the EU now has a ratchet clause in any trade deal to which it agrees. This means that any benefits that are offered to future partners have also to apply to the EU. So if we do leave the Customs Union and get better deals than we currently have with anywhere that has a deal with the EU, well the EU will get them too. So that's nice. In fact it will be rather like being in the Customs Union in a lot of ways.0
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Reports Brussels has no idea what will happen in a no deal case. They say it will not happen so they need a dealHYUFD said:
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We need politics to solve problems and find compromise. The country is split down the middle and the parties are polarised. It’s a problem when the government cannot even negotiate with itself.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
It might just be. Have you ever seen all our political parties so screwed up at the same time? That this happens during some of the most critical decisions is a concern. Unprecedented, or at least not seen since the 1920s.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.
Nah, it’s not.Jonathan said:
It might just be. Have you ever seen all our political parties so screwed up at the same time? That this happens during some of the most critical decisions is a concern. Unprecedented, or at least not seen since the 1920s.Casino_Royale said:
Cheer up.Jonathan said:Lib Dems Broken. Labour Broken. Tories Broken. Britain Broken.
It’s really not that bad.
Sometimes I come on here after a busy day at work and realise we all live on a different planet on here. Politics is politics. Britain is actually doing ok.
If politics really is that bad then it’s politics and politicians who only have themselves to blame, not the voters who have been far too frustrated for far too long, patronised and talked down to.
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It is bizarre to reflect that in a very short time the only Welsh party leader who will have served more than six months is Kirsty Williams, whose electoral performance is the worst of the lot.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting comment is Unionists. That incudes Ruth Davidson and Paul Davies, new conservative leader in WalesPolruan said:williamglenn said:
I didn’t realise the DUP had taken to capitalising ‘NO’ in writing as well as speech these days.0 -
Tomorrow's headline "Politician shows no understanding about dangers of inbreeding"bigjohnowls said:Sir Edward Leigh MP
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No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?williamglenn said:
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When the Praetorian Guard got into assassination it didn't tend to go well for the ruler. Is his group now ready to challenge May if they don't hear what they want to hear tomorrow morning?williamglenn said:0 -
Sometimes they cut out the middleman. Caligula and Pertinax spring to mind.Recidivist said:
No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?williamglenn said:
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OK. Which of John McConnell and Jeremy Corbyn to do you rate more highly than Boris?Richard_Nabavi said:
Boris is box office and news, and very entertaining. If I was attending the Conference, I'd have wanted to attend his speech. That doesn't alter the fact that of all the people who have been mooted as possible successors to Theresa May, he is second to bottom of the lot in my view. I expect a lot of those in that audience of 1500 feel that way.HYUFD said:
Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speechRoger said:Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?
They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.
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Paul Davies speech to conference was very impressiveydoethur said:
It is bizarre to reflect that in a very short time the only Welsh party leader who will have served more than six months is Kirsty Williams, whose electoral performance is the worst of the lot.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The interesting comment is Unionists. That incudes Ruth Davidson and Paul Davies, new conservative leader in WalesPolruan said:williamglenn said:
I didn’t realise the DUP had taken to capitalising ‘NO’ in writing as well as speech these days.0
