Unlikely to be resignation as Mrs May would have seen the Queen first....
Not sure.
She could announce she's resigning as Con leader (but staying on as PM until a new leader is elected) In that situation she wouldn't need to see the Queen (as she would still be HMQ's PM)
The PM only needs to go to the Palace when they stop becoming PM (and then the new PM is sent for)
It won't be though. If she resigned as PM, she'd make it impossible for the government to conduct negotiations until a replacement was in place, which'd take at least a month and probably into November - as no-one would in the EU be able to trust what May said as she'd have no domestic base on which to give promises, but nor would anyone else be able to negotiate until the leadership election was over. That kind of delay, combined with the almost inevitable Leaver win, would mean No Deal would become almost inevitable, and May would get most of the blame. She must be aware of that.
She's already unable to get a deal or progress with negotiations herself, last couple of years have shown that. A month more won't make much difference and a new PM could get a short extension taking us up until the point the European Parliament gets dissolved thus negating the time lost in November.
The way Mr Brexit Doom And Gloom was just talking on Sky News, it sounds like May is simply going to talk about how she is going to continue to try and square the circle to get a deal.
Still listening to the podcast but my immediate thought is that Labour need to get on the news talking about something that doesn't involve Jews, and it seems like spending a while airing both sides of the argument about a re-referendum would do the job.
Labour are too busy being eaten alive by Momentum.
See this, from retiring NEC member Ann Black:
"The Times We Live In
But underlying the whole open/mandatory reselection argument is the fact that a significant number of members hate Labour MPs, individually and collectively , especially for trying to get rid of Jeremy in 2016, and would be happy to purge the lot of them. Just one of the Momentum mails, sadly not untypical, from member Sue Hyett (she is happy to be named) is headed Back Stabbing Fat Cats and says:
“There is no home in Labour for these incumbents we need reselection not jobs that allow you to stick your nose in the trough for the rest of your working career.”
The party constitution says, in Clause I, that :
“its purpose is to organise and maintain in Parliament and in the country a political Labour Party”
and it is increasingly difficult to do both.
And finally a comment in support of an applicant for membership:
“Saying that your MP is a wanker and being generally critical of him in front of other party members may be disrespectful, but if everyone who insulted each other thus were to be asked to leave the party, there would be no-one left.”
This is not the kinder, gentler politics which Jeremy promised in 2015. The next report, after conference, will be my last as a member of the NEC, and it is now for others to find a way back from the edge."
When a new company takes over an existing one, then there will be disquiet from employees at all levels, some may leave, some may stay, some may be promoted, some may be fired and some may be made redundant. The shock to the PLP that their comfy club has under gone a change of management, especially that the top managers team are now those that they ignored or despised has been tremendous But, they had a choice, to stay and work with the new team, or go. But, the open "secret" that they were were some still planning another coup attempt with a mass walk out of PLP at the Labour Party Conference was too well known to (and annoyed) the membership, and the media. To be honest, many CLP's around the country were prepared and waiting for the walkout to happen so that they could put in new candidates in play without needing a deselection process. But there are motions in place at Conference for mandatory reselection before any General Elections or local elections which will cause much disquiet with the PLP nu-labourers.
Unlikely to be resignation as Mrs May would have seen the Queen first....
Not sure.
She could announce she's resigning as Con leader (but staying on as PM until a new leader is elected) In that situation she wouldn't need to see the Queen (as she would still be HMQ's PM)
The PM only needs to go to the Palace when they stop becoming PM (and then the new PM is sent for)
People need to send in their letters. She is wasting what little time we have left chasing this mirage.
You complain that she's wasting time and then propose the next 6 weeks on internal party infighting over various different models for Brexit, which are likely to vary between the implausiable and the absurd, with only the deeply damaging having a basis in viability. Not a great plan, IMO.
If Theresa is just going to stand there and basically say Salzburg changes nothing then it's going to look like she's in complete denial and possibly slightly mad...
The way Mr Brexit Doom And Gloom was just talking on Sky News, it sounds like May is simply going to talk about how she is going to continue to try and square the circle to get a deal.
The way Mr Brexit Doom And Gloom was just talking on Sky News, it sounds like May is simply going to talk about how she is going to continue to try and square the circle to get a deal.
If Theresa is just going to stand there and basically say Salzburg changes nothing then it's going to look like she's in complete denial and possibly slightly mad...
Mind you she does have form. I remember her speech in Downing St after screwing up the general election was totally in denial about what had just happened to her and her party.
Totally misjudged and made her sound like she thought she'd been returned with a landslide or something...
People need to send in their letters. She is wasting what little time we have left chasing this mirage.
You complain that she's wasting time and then propose the next 6 weeks on internal party infighting over various different models for Brexit, which are likely to vary between the implausiable and the absurd, with only the deeply damaging having a basis in viability. Not a great plan, IMO.
No I complain that she is incapable of making progress. This "but it will take a month to replace her" line has been used ever since the General Election, but ultimately time is still ticking and she's still incapable.
If the deeply damaging one is the only viable one then we need to adopt that and adapt it and take whatever actions we can to minimise any damage. Chasing not viable ones until the clock runs out is a worse plan.
People need to send in their letters. She is wasting what little time we have left chasing this mirage.
You complain that she's wasting time and then propose the next 6 weeks on internal party infighting over various different models for Brexit, which are likely to vary between the implausiable and the absurd, with only the deeply damaging having a basis in viability. Not a great plan, IMO.
No I complain that she is incapable of making progress. This "but it will take a month to replace her" line has been used ever since the General Election, but ultimately time is still ticking and she's still incapable.
If the deeply damaging one is the only viable one then we need to adopt that and adapt it and take whatever actions we can to minimise any damage. Chasing not viable ones until the clock runs out is a worse plan.
The least damaging option would be a cross party commission to a) take over the negotiation, b) to explore the possibility of EEA and then put the alternative of EEA v WTO back to the electorate. Even though I was in favour of Remain I would suggest that should not be one of the alternatives as it has already been discounted. There is no mandate for the suicide option of hard Brexit, but it is possible that people might still vote for it if they are dumb enough, and if they are that dumb they will have at least been warned. I have changed my mind, there has to be another f***ing referendum!
People need to send in their letters. She is wasting what little time we have left chasing this mirage.
You complain that she's wasting time and then propose the next 6 weeks on internal party infighting over various different models for Brexit, which are likely to vary between the implausiable and the absurd, with only the deeply damaging having a basis in viability. Not a great plan, IMO.
No I complain that she is incapable of making progress. This "but it will take a month to replace her" line has been used ever since the General Election, but ultimately time is still ticking and she's still incapable.
If the deeply damaging one is the only viable one then we need to adopt that and adapt it and take whatever actions we can to minimise any damage. Chasing not viable ones until the clock runs out is a worse plan.
I think there are other viable solutions; it's just that none of them could also survive a Conservative leadership campaign.
Well it is official. They don't need us more than we need them and all those CEOs of German car manufacturers have had little impact on Mrs Merkle. The lies that have been told to get us to this point!
She was pissed. Obviously I don't support Chequers and think she needs to ditch it but that was a much more impressive performance than I expected. Overall, telling the EU to come back to us with a proposal is a good idea. Should have done so a while back.
The least damaging option would be a cross party commission to a) take over the negotiation, b) to explore the possibility of EEA and then put the alternative of EEA v WTO back to the electorate.
Or take it a step further: Currently because the front benches are both ideology-addled shitshows, the competent people in parliament are all waiting it out in select committees. So there's a kind of shadow government-in-waiting where all the select committee chair-people would take over their ministries, forming a cross-party emergency government of non-crazy people.
"You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." Judging by the snap pb reaction, Theresa May has absorbed George W Bush's wise words.
Leavers are like Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football. No matter how many times they suffer a pratfall, they still keep being fooled by the same trick.
It isn't a EU cabal, it is 27 democratic countries who think, quite correctly, that the UK government is being an arse. We are the ones being difficult here. It is a national embarrassment that is descending to humiliation that makes Suez look like our finest hour
Quite an interesting interview for those of us following German affairs, with the co-chair of the Aufstehen movement, an overtly populist left-wing campaign which started in the Left Party but is viewed by them with some dubiety - they have 140,000 members so far:
She was pissed. Obviously I don't support Chequers and think she needs to ditch it but that was a much more impressive performance than I expected. Overall, telling the EU to come back to us with a proposal is a good idea. Should have done so a while back.
It isn't a EU cabal, it is 27 democratic countries who think, quite correctly, that the UK government is being an arse. We are the ones being difficult here. It is a national embarrassment that is descending to humiliation that makes Suez look like our finest hour
She’s asking for the impossible. She’s standing up to reality like a latter-day King Canute.
No she is not. Being reasonable and friendly independent neighbouring nations is entirely possible, people do it all over the world.
Without borders? Where do you have in mind?
No with borders.
We already have a border. Across Northern Ireland the border exists. There is already different VAT, Currency, Government, Rates and more. Customs is just one more issue on top of a plethora of others.
Still planning to keep making those posts about how May is going to surprise everyone and crush Labour and all her Tory enemies by coming out for Remain/People'sVote? Or is it ever just slightly possible that you might maybe perhaps have somewhat to a small degree misread those coded signals she was apparently sending out.
Fair to say she is pissed off and the lady says she isn't for turning
Translated to English..."You can stick your cake with no cherry stunt up your arse Mr Tusk, stop f##king about and tell we want you want".
Now that was a pathetic spectacle. And absolutely bloody childish, particularly for a "statesman". Genuine question follows.
Was this an accidental photo-op that just so happened to spark the "genius" idea for a burn of an instagram photo? In which case it was spontaneous childishness.
Or was that photo-op cunningly stage-managed with his instagram timeline in mind? In which case it was an act of monumental prattery at a delicate time, especially from someone who claims to care so deeply about the fate of millions of Europeans - many his compatriots - living in Britain.
So it is no deal unless one side caves. No deal then. Orderly managed no deal or chaotic now becomes an urgent question. Tone and language need to be dialled down on both sides.
Still planning to keep making those posts about how May is going to surprise everyone and crush Labour and all her Tory enemies by coming out for Remain/People'sVote?
Fair to say she is pissed off and the lady says she isn't for turning
Translated to English..."You can stick your cake with no cherry stunt up your arse Mr Tusk, stop f##king about and tell we want you want".
Now that was a pathetic spectacle. And absolutely bloody childish, particularly for a "statesman". Genuine question follows.
Was this an accidental photo-op that just so happened to spark the "genius" idea for a burn of an instagram photo? In which case it was spontaneous childishness.
Or was that photo-op cunningly stage-managed with his instagram timeline in mind? In which case it was an act of monumental prattery at a delicate time, especially from someone who claims to care so deeply about the fate of millions of Europeans - many his compatriots - living in Britain.
I think it is up there with the "back of the queue" or Clinton's "deplorables".
The least damaging option would be a cross party commission to a) take over the negotiation, b) to explore the possibility of EEA and then put the alternative of EEA v WTO back to the electorate.
Or take it a step further: Currently because the front benches are both ideology-addled shitshows, the competent people in parliament are all waiting it out in select committees. So there's a kind of shadow government-in-waiting where all the select committee chair-people would take over their ministries, forming a cross-party emergency government of non-crazy people.
I wish it would happen, but the extremists would claim it was a coup. There would have to be a centrist party formed by the non-headbangers of both parties, but it isn't going to happen
So it is no deal unless one side caves. No deal then. Orderly managed no deal or chaotic now becomes an urgent question. Tone and language need to be dialled down on both sides.
Less piss taking posts from EU heavy weights might be a start do you think?
Mr. Foremain, we're being difficult by not wanting to surrender part of our territory to the EU's customs regulation?
If they want the Isle of Wight too is that ok? Scotland? London? Just how much of the UK do you think the EU should be allowed to demand for its customs union?
She’s asking for the impossible. She’s standing up to reality like a latter-day King Canute.
She is taking the EU on and showing leadership. The best speech she has made in a while and will go down well in the UK
I am going to agree.
But, hopefully she won't try and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by coming up with a load on nonsense on NI. Faisal Islam was wittering on about having a 'regulatory' border instead of a customs border in the Irish Sea. I have no objection to checks in the Irish Sea IF we are all following the same regulations (eg the border is the land border but for convenience we do some of the checks at the ports).
The problem here is that May is assuming that we will all be following EU regulations (as per Chequers) but the EU have rejected that and if we are talking CETA the regulations won't be the same and so the plan won't work.
I was more surprised that the serious party of women's rights sat on an allegation and pulled it out at a theatrical and politically motivated moment, rather than helping the woman seek justice as soon as possible.
Talking of uni, what I want to know is why does the guy write them. He says £350 is a bumper bonus day, sounds like a terrible deal to me. Nobody likes writing essays and if you are smart enough to write top quality essays in a day, you surely can get a decent job and earn steady money.
I always presumed that like a lot of freelancer websites that those doing the work were based in developing countries where the paid rate is actually good money.
Degrees For Sale: Inside The Essay Writing Industry
Standard pre-planned EU Panto. Play up a fight to make it easier for May to sell the eventual sell out at home.
I've pondered that this is all being stage managed... But I think Theresa May is genuinely angry and she's not that good an actress to be faking it...
This is real, IMO.
Yes, I agree. I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man but to assume this is all an elaborate setup gives the Governments of all concerned the assumption of a level of incredible competence that is just not supported by reality.
Still planning to keep making those posts about how May is going to surprise everyone and crush Labour and all her Tory enemies by coming out for Remain/People'sVote?
Fair to say she is pissed off and the lady says she isn't for turning
Translated to English..."You can stick your cake with no cherry stunt up your arse Mr Tusk, stop f##king about and tell we want you want".
Now that was a pathetic spectacle. And absolutely bloody childish, particularly for a "statesman". Genuine question follows.
Was this an accidental photo-op that just so happened to spark the "genius" idea for a burn of an instagram photo? In which case it was spontaneous childishness.
Or was that photo-op cunningly stage-managed with his instagram timeline in mind? In which case it was an act of monumental prattery at a delicate time, especially from someone who claims to care so deeply about the fate of millions of Europeans - many his compatriots - living in Britain.
I think it is up there with the "back of the queue" or Clinton's "deplorables".
It was a big failure of judgment. At least it seemed to be more aimed at May personally (who is not widely popular) rather than the UK or perhaps even Leavers as a whole, so it might not have the popular reception of the "deplorables" or Romney's "47%"... but since he has to deal with Mrs May personally, then insulting her is still a cack-awful idea.
It does seem embarrassing today of all days, and he still persists with the dishonesty of a peoples vote, rather than calling it a second referendum which it is
Standard pre-planned EU Panto. Play up a fight to make it easier for May to sell the eventual sell out at home.
I've pondered that this is all being stage managed... But I think Theresa May is genuinely angry and she's not that good an actress to be faking it...
This is real, IMO.
Given Maybot is a terrible actor, her anger was definitely real. She is no Tony Blair being able to pretend to be feeling various emotions at the drop of a hat.
No comparison. Mrs T was too good a politician, too good a negotiator and too much of a patriot to have ever allowed us to get into this sorry and embarrassing state
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But, the open "secret" that they were were some still planning another coup attempt with a mass walk out of PLP at the Labour Party Conference was too well known to (and annoyed) the membership, and the media.
To be honest, many CLP's around the country were prepared and waiting for the walkout to happen so that they could put in new candidates in play without needing a deselection process.
But there are motions in place at Conference for mandatory reselection before any General Elections or local elections which will cause much disquiet with the PLP nu-labourers.
This is surrreal
If Theresa is just going to stand there and basically say Salzburg changes nothing then it's going to look like she's in complete denial and possibly slightly mad...
Returned from yet another wet and windy perambulation. Has anything noteworthy happened in the last hour or two?
Totally misjudged and made her sound like she thought she'd been returned with a landslide or something...
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1043122588644519936
If the deeply damaging one is the only viable one then we need to adopt that and adapt it and take whatever actions we can to minimise any damage. Chasing not viable ones until the clock runs out is a worse plan.
Called Tusk a knave.
May says that both options would be “a bad deal... I have always said no deal is better than a bad deal.”
She says she has treated the EU “with nothing but respect” and says that she expects the same.
“We now need to hear from the EU what the real alternative is and we can discuss them.”
Would have been better if she had said there is no deal unless the EU comes up with a real alternative but sounds like progress.
She didn't mention paying £39Bn.
Not least because Canute's point was that he was only an earthly king, and the divine power of God, symbolised by the tides, was far greater.
Leavers are like Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football. No matter how many times they suffer a pratfall, they still keep being fooled by the same trick.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/interview/aufstehen-we-dont-want-a-german-europe-we-want-a-european-germany/?utm_source=EURACTIV&utm_campaign=d630c7abb4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_31_09_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c59e2fd7a9-d630c7abb4-114478043
We already have a border. Across Northern Ireland the border exists. There is already different VAT, Currency, Government, Rates and more. Customs is just one more issue on top of a plethora of others.
This is real, IMO.
Was this an accidental photo-op that just so happened to spark the "genius" idea for a burn of an instagram photo? In which case it was spontaneous childishness.
Or was that photo-op cunningly stage-managed with his instagram timeline in mind? In which case it was an act of monumental prattery at a delicate time, especially from someone who claims to care so deeply about the fate of millions of Europeans - many his compatriots - living in Britain.
No deal then.
Orderly managed no deal or chaotic now becomes an urgent question.
Tone and language need to be dialled down on both sides.
or not if you have more than half a brain cell
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1043126336473055235
If they want the Isle of Wight too is that ok? Scotland? London? Just how much of the UK do you think the EU should be allowed to demand for its customs union?
But, hopefully she won't try and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by coming up with a load on nonsense on NI. Faisal Islam was wittering on about having a 'regulatory' border instead of a customs border in the Irish Sea. I have no objection to checks in the Irish Sea IF we are all following the same regulations (eg the border is the land border but for convenience we do some of the checks at the ports).
The problem here is that May is assuming that we will all be following EU regulations (as per Chequers) but the EU have rejected that and if we are talking CETA the regulations won't be the same and so the plan won't work.
It aint gonna happen
I was more surprised that the serious party of women's rights sat on an allegation and pulled it out at a theatrical and politically motivated moment, rather than helping the woman seek justice as soon as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_84HM1e7RY
https://youtu.be/8-37rYml-7A
I always presumed that like a lot of freelancer websites that those doing the work were based in developing countries where the paid rate is actually good money.
Degrees For Sale: Inside The Essay Writing Industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSVW8rGZTk
And she looked really, really angry.
https://youtu.be/Tetk_ayO1x4
The Brexiteers capacity for incompetence continues to be underestimated.