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Under the US constitution, an American president has a virtually untrammelled power to pardon, or commute the sentence of, anyone convicted of a Federal offence (but not offences under State law). It is a power completely personal to the president, who can exercise it for any reason, or for no good reason, and it has been used surprisingly often: 1,927 times by Barack Obama, for example. Although there is a government department, the Office of the Pardon Attorney, through which applications for presidential clemency are usually routed, there is no obligation on the president to follow that process.
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Challenge accepted Richard, challenge accepted.0
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Oh was that a primus inter pares?
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That was an Ace pun, Richard.
Edit - but there was no need to club us over the head with it. Have a heart.0 -
Four king hell, David, am I not allowed a break from timetabling when I see the opportunity for an awesome pun?DavidL said:
So our diamond geezer is no longer spending time with his timetables and back to call a spade a spade.ydoethur said:That was an Ace pun, Richard.
Edit - but there was no need to club us over the head with it. Have a heart.0 -
Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.0
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I recall in the 60s it became common practice in the South to charge people in the Federal Courts for racially motivated crimes because there was an apprehension that juries in the State Courts would acquit. Might we just see the reverse coming into play for members of Trump's administration?0
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England are once again making a right mess of bowling at this tail. Once again a significant potential lead is being whittled away. Will India get the lead this time? Surely not.-1
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Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
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I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that, whatever else they need, the first priority for England is a new captain. It sounds as though Anderson is having to set the field otherwise it would be spread wider than a prostitute's legs.DavidL said:England are once again making a right mess of bowling at this tail. Once again a significant potential lead is being whittled away. Will India get the lead this time? Surely not.
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I have no desire to queen on how you jack about @ydoethur, but I fear this is only a temporary bridge to sanity and it will not be long before you are whist away for some solo once more.ydoethur said:
Four king hell, David, am I not allowed a break from timetabling when I see the opportunity for an awesome pun?DavidL said:
So our diamond geezer is no longer spending time with his timetables and back to call a spade a spade.ydoethur said:That was an Ace pun, Richard.
Edit - but there was no need to club us over the head with it. Have a heart.0 -
Those were knavish puns, David, and they have left my efforts at sixes and sevens. Any more puns would just seem rummy.DavidL said:
I have no desire to queen on how you jack about @ydoethur, but I fear this is only a temporary bridge to sanity and it will not be long before you are whist away for some solo once more.ydoethur said:
Four king hell, David, am I not allowed a break from timetabling when I see the opportunity for an awesome pun?DavidL said:
So our diamond geezer is no longer spending time with his timetables and back to call a spade a spade.ydoethur said:That was an Ace pun, Richard.
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I'm pretty sure one of the Trump-related charges has already been brought in New York State as a State charge for this reason, but I forget the details.DavidL said:I recall in the 60s it became common practice in the South to charge people in the Federal Courts for racially motivated crimes because there was an apprehension that juries in the State Courts would acquit. Might we just see the reverse coming into play for members of Trump's administration?
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I think in fairness both parties and indeed the factions within them have their fair share of tits.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I would never have thought it of Cara Delevinge. What attracted her to him?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
"* Beat that pun, TSE!"
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And at the moment almost all politicians are assailed by knockers.DavidL said:
I think in fairness both parties and indeed the factions within them have their fair share of tits.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Blast! We might have avoided an outbreak of paronomasia with the distraction of cricket, but no. Eheu.0
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Indeed Teddy is the only third party candidate to ever finish in the top 2.ydoethur said:
Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
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40 run first innings lead. Would have taken that at the start of yesterday's play.0
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Manafort.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm pretty sure one of the Trump-related charges has already been brought in New York State as a State charge for this reason, but I forget the details.DavidL said:I recall in the 60s it became common practice in the South to charge people in the Federal Courts for racially motivated crimes because there was an apprehension that juries in the State Courts would acquit. Might we just see the reverse coming into play for members of Trump's administration?
Who actually has pending criminal charges in at least four states (it would be three, but his jury obligingly failed to convict on a few of the Federal charges).
A presidential pardon will do him no good at all - particularly as his prior conviction can still be brought up in evidence in any state proceedings irrespective of any pardon.
I’m pretty sure NY State (at the very least) has a parallel investigation into Trump’s misdeeds ongoing.
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Better than being bled dry by outrageous ground rents that ultimately make your property unsellable.HYUFD said:
In which case everybody is responsible not just for paying for but carrying out maintenance for the whole apartment blockAlistair said:
In Scotland flats are (for all intents and purposes) sold with a shared freehold.HYUFD said:
For houses yes, not for flats as the vast majority of flats sold are leasehold and the freehold is held by the owner of the apartment buildingAlistair said:
The leasehold system should, of course, be done away with. Its existence is a scandal.viewcode said:
There are practical problems to this. Many properties that are rented out are leasehold flats. The lease will have a restriction to the length of time it can be continually rented: mine is two years. An AST of six months with an option to renew fits this nicely and enables me to rent out my flat if I get a job elsewhere in the country. But three-year-tenancies would kill that idea stone dead.Alistair said:The move to making tenancies 3 year minimums is, in my view, a great idea.
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Do you think Rashid was underbowled against the tail ?ydoethur said:
He is pretty good at mopping up 9/10/11.
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And sets up the match quite nicely. Competitive, but not too competitive.Philip_Thompson said:40 run first innings lead. Would have taken that at the start of yesterday's play.
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England's bowlers are all very strong cricketers. Amazing how well we're doing with a poor top order at the momentydoethur said:0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Just under four hours until the exit poll from Sweden.0 -
I think its safe to say the runs scored by our tail have been the difference between the two sides this series. Had our tail collapsed like it did in the 90s we would have been heavily defeated.Pulpstar said:
England's bowlers are all very strong cricketers. Amazing how well we're doing with a poor top order at the momentydoethur said:0 -
The interaction between federal and state law as regards presidential power of pardon is a bit of an unknown. If state law were used in an attempt to circumvent a presidential pardon, I imagine that would be challenged as unconstitutional.Nigelb said:
Manafort.
Who actually has pending criminal charges in at least four states (it would be three, but his jury obligingly failed to convict on a few of the Federal charges).
A presidential pardon will do him no good at all - particularly as his prior conviction can still be brought up in evidence in any state proceedings irrespective of any pardon.
I’m pretty sure NY State (at the very least) has a parallel investigation into Trump’s misdeeds ongoing.0 -
If Trump wanted to "Lock her up", he should have just brought her into his cabinet.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I suppose the difference between the Roger Clinton and Susan McDougal pardons is that they were granted with hours left of the Clinton Presidency.
Trump will have to live with his pardons for potentially several years of his Presidency.0 -
I guess Richard thinks Trump won’t be mullered by the current investigation?TheScreamingEagles said:Challenge accepted Richard, challenge accepted.
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I apologise for linking to Guido but thought these were interesting quotes from Barnier I have seen discussed on here
https://order-order.com/2018/09/07/barnier-open-discussing-backstops/0 -
I seriously doubt it, especially in the context of a president attempting to pardon himself and/or his associates in crime....Richard_Nabavi said:
The interaction between federal and state law as regards presidential power of pardon is a bit of an unknown. If state law were used in an attempt to circumvent a presidential pardon, I imagine that would be challenged as unconstitutional.Nigelb said:
Manafort.
Who actually has pending criminal charges in at least four states (it would be three, but his jury obligingly failed to convict on a few of the Federal charges).
A presidential pardon will do him no good at all - particularly as his prior conviction can still be brought up in evidence in any state proceedings irrespective of any pardon.
I’m pretty sure NY State (at the very least) has a parallel investigation into Trump’s misdeeds ongoing.
Of course a SC with Kavanaugh on the bench might be a different matter, but that raises a whole other set of questions.
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Has anyone tried a Tangerine Muller Corner?Charles said:
I guess Richard thinks Trump won’t be mullered by the current investigation?TheScreamingEagles said:Challenge accepted Richard, challenge accepted.
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I think a SC with Kavanagh QC would work betterNigelb said:
I seriously doubt it, especially in the context of a president attempting to pardon himself and/or his associates in crime....Richard_Nabavi said:
The interaction between federal and state law as regards presidential power of pardon is a bit of an unknown. If state law were used in an attempt to circumvent a presidential pardon, I imagine that would be challenged as unconstitutional.Nigelb said:
Manafort.
Who actually has pending criminal charges in at least four states (it would be three, but his jury obligingly failed to convict on a few of the Federal charges).
A presidential pardon will do him no good at all - particularly as his prior conviction can still be brought up in evidence in any state proceedings irrespective of any pardon.
I’m pretty sure NY State (at the very least) has a parallel investigation into Trump’s misdeeds ongoing.
Of course a SC with Kavanaugh on the bench might be a different matter, but that raises a whole other set of questions.0 -
In what respect ?Pulpstar said:
I think a SC with Kavanagh QC would work betterNigelb said:
I seriously doubt it, especially in the context of a president attempting to pardon himself and/or his associates in crime....Richard_Nabavi said:
The interaction between federal and state law as regards presidential power of pardon is a bit of an unknown. If state law were used in an attempt to circumvent a presidential pardon, I imagine that would be challenged as unconstitutional.Nigelb said:
Manafort.
Who actually has pending criminal charges in at least four states (it would be three, but his jury obligingly failed to convict on a few of the Federal charges).
A presidential pardon will do him no good at all - particularly as his prior conviction can still be brought up in evidence in any state proceedings irrespective of any pardon.
I’m pretty sure NY State (at the very least) has a parallel investigation into Trump’s misdeeds ongoing.
Of course a SC with Kavanaugh on the bench might be a different matter, but that raises a whole other set of questions.
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Tangerine Trump cornered by Muller?williamglenn said:
Has anyone tried a Tangerine Muller Corner?Charles said:
I guess Richard thinks Trump won’t be mullered by the current investigation?TheScreamingEagles said:Challenge accepted Richard, challenge accepted.
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Off topic, the lack of support for Vamos on twitter is disappointing but sadly not unexpected. Sue Barker calling for him to be sanctioned for doing his job is a particular low point for the bbc0
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Mr. Pulpstar, I found the sexism argument a little odd, given the beneficiary of his decision was also a woman.
The clip I saw was of Serena at her press conference, admitting she called him a thief, then being surprised she was penalised.
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Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.0 -
That doesn't sound like a fair voting system to me.MaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.0 -
Mr. Max, cheers for that snippet of info. I agree with Mr. JS.0
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Indeed, he didn't think so either when he was picking up his preferred ballot papers while all the staff inside the polling station (local people who he has met previously) watched him. Mental way of voting IMO.AndyJS said:
That doesn't sound like a fair voting system to me.MaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.0 -
Keaton Jennings fouls up again.0
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http://pure.au.dk/portal/files/128529565/Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdfMaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
I'm quite surprised, as it makes it more difficult to have a truly secret ballot. They also mention printing 685 million ballot cards... which seems excessive.0 -
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
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It’s very sexist of her. She’s never called a female umpire a liar and a thiefMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, I found the sexism argument a little odd, given the beneficiary of his decision was also a woman.
The clip I saw was of Serena at her press conference, admitting she called him a thief, then being surprised she was penalised.
Maybe directly insulting the umpire is not a smart thing.0 -
The defences, from what I’ve heard are:Pulpstar said:Off topic, the lack of support for Vamos on twitter is disappointing but sadly not unexpected. Sue Barker calling for him to be sanctioned for doing his job is a particular low point for the bbc
A. Although her coach was coaching, there was no way she could see it; and/or
B. It’s a triumph for womens’ liberation.
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Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.0 -
When India have just stupidly used up all their reviews, to play no shot and fail to get your pads in the way is a bit silly because there's always a chance you might get away with it if the umpire makes a howler.0
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We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
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Well from what my cousin was saying it's intended purpose is to pressure people into not voting for anti-consensus parties like SD and the communists etc...RobD said:
http://pure.au.dk/portal/files/128529565/Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdfMaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
I'm quite surprised, as it makes it more difficult to have a truly secret ballot. They also mention printing 685 million ballot cards... which seems excessive.
It is a system designed to make people's votes less secret!0 -
For aficionados of pineapple pizzas:
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Mr. Eagles, Mr. Glenn's post just reminded me.
Did you have your pineapple pizza yet?0 -
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
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I did, well a slice and a bit.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, Mr. Glenn's post just reminded me.
Did you have your pineapple pizza yet?0 -
Hmm. A Labour MP whose main purpose was achieving Conservative victory? That's thre sort of behaviour that those of us opposed to mandatory reselection like to dismiss as wild fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
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Umpire Dharmasena seems pretty clued up in this match, too.TheScreamingEagles said:Saucer of milk for Ali Martin
https://twitter.com/Cricket_Ali/status/1038809245150576646
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See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
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Mr. 86, I'd forgotten about that.
Does seem to have a temper.0 -
I was just wondering whom you might suggest for the other one.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
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Surely the same applied in 2014 when the Swedish Democrats pretty much matched or slightly outperformed most of the final polls?MaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
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Rory BurnsNigelb said:
I was just wondering whom you might suggest for the other one.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.0 -
How can the GOP resolve not to nominate him? As long as he gets enough GOP primary voters voting for him he will be nominee againNickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
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There were not mass primaries in 1912, the nomination was decided by party bosses at the Convention behind closed doorsydoethur said:
Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
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Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
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Banana on pizza? Nearly as bad as pineapple on pizza.williamglenn said:For aficionados of pineapple pizzas:
https://twitter.com/birdyword/status/1038807797184352256?s=21
I won't say a bad thing about the Swedes as they gave the world ABBA.
Plus my first car was a Volvo.0 -
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.0 -
I think you'll find they did have primaries in 1912, and that Roosevelt won them. The problem he had was that they were not universal. In states where the delegates were picked by the local party, Taft had a huge advantage and he used it.HYUFD said:
There were not mass primaries in 1912, the nomination was decided by party bosses at the Convention behind closed doorsydoethur said:
Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
However, his campaign built the head of steam that nearly carried Roosevelt back to the White House.0 -
If Cook is out for 20, he will have scored 12345 test runs.0
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Again, Buttler opens in IPL, his success in Tests has come in the lower middle order.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
I don't see that as a valid comparison.0 -
But he needs over 50 to push his average above 45 (which would still be by far the lowest of any player with ten thousand runs, incidentally).Nigelb said:If Cook is out for 20, he will have scored 12345 test runs.
Edit - to be exact he needs 50 or more.0 -
Joe Clarke worth a punt, IMO.ydoethur said:
Again, Buttler opens in IPL, his success in Tests has come in the lower middle order.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
I don't see that as a valid comparison.
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I said not mass primaries, not no primaries at all. In 1912 only 13 states out of 48 held primaries. The vast majority of states had delegates picked by the local party and as you say they went for Taftydoethur said:
I think you'll find they did have primaries in 1912, and that Roosevelt won them. The problem he had was that they were not universal. In states where the delegates were picked by the local party, Taft had a huge advantage and he used it.HYUFD said:
There were not mass primaries in 1912, the nomination was decided by party bosses at the Convention behind closed doorsydoethur said:
Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
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Looking on the internet it appears you have an option to chose a blank ballot paper and write down the preferred party/candidate. Presumably that would be the choice for those shy supporters of the far righ..er..rejectors of cradle to grave socialism.MaxPB said:
Well from what my cousin was saying it's intended purpose is to pressure people into not voting for anti-consensus parties like SD and the communists etc...RobD said:
http://pure.au.dk/portal/files/128529565/Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdfMaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
I'm quite surprised, as it makes it more difficult to have a truly secret ballot. They also mention printing 685 million ballot cards... which seems excessive.
It is a system designed to make people's votes less secret!
'There are also different kinds of ballot papers, allowing you to vote either for a particular party (without identifying a specific candidate), to choose from a list of candidates as well as parties, or to vote using a blank ballot paper. On blank ballot papers, you can write down any party and candidate. In theory, it's possible to write anyone's name, and if that person got a large enough proportion of votes, they would be elected.'
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We need to do something bold.ydoethur said:
Again, Buttler opens in IPL, his success in Tests has come in the lower middle order.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
I don't see that as a valid comparison.
It has been six years since Strauss retired and we've not yet found his successor.
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A primary is, by definition, a 'mass' event. What you meant I think is that they did not have many primaries, which is not the same thing.HYUFD said:
I said not mass primaries, not no primaries at all. In 1912 only 13 states out of 48 held primaries. The vast majority of states had delegates picked by the local party and as you say they went for Taftydoethur said:
I think you'll find they did have primaries in 1912, and that Roosevelt won them. The problem he had was that they were not universal. In states where the delegates were picked by the local party, Taft had a huge advantage and he used it.HYUFD said:
There were not mass primaries in 1912, the nomination was decided by party bosses at the Convention behind closed doorsydoethur said:
Happened in 1912. But then the candidate was Theodore Roosevelt, an unstable egomaniac with a thin skin and a penchant for messing up foreign aff...ah.NickPalmer said:Pretty convincing article, thanks Richard. A caveat might be that sufficiently shameless use of pardons before 2020 might reinforce GOP resolve not to renominate him. In that situation, I could well see him running as an independent - not a possibility I've seen discussed before, but entirely in keeping with his personality. I think he'd lose, but the official GOP candidate might be pushed into third place.
However, his campaign built the head of steam that nearly carried Roosevelt back to the White House.0 -
12468 would also be acceptable.ydoethur said:
But he needs over 50 to push his average above 45 (which would still be by far the lowest of any player with ten thousand runs, incidentally).Nigelb said:If Cook is out for 20, he will have scored 12345 test runs.
Edit - to be exact he needs 50 or more.
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Most of them didn't open the batting though.ydoethur said:
But he needs over 50 to push his average above 45 (which would still be by far the lowest of any player with ten thousand runs, incidentally).Nigelb said:If Cook is out for 20, he will have scored 12345 test runs.
Edit - to be exact he needs 50 or more.
EDIT: And Cook had to do it in England half the time.0 -
Just find three random country batsmen, literally anyone is better than what we’ve seen from Cook, Jennings and Root this series. Even our own bowlers have come close to outscoring them.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.0 -
Certainly a possibility. Other than Burns and Jennings he's had the best season of any opener in the Championship.Nigelb said:
Joe Clarke worth a punt, IMO.ydoethur said:
Again, Buttler opens in IPL, his success in Tests has come in the lower middle order.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
I don't see that as a valid comparison.
The only other one who might just possibly come into the reckoning is Miles Hammond. His two centuries have come against international bowlers in Jordan, Archer and Briggs plus Finn and Harris. However, I think he's still a bit young.0 -
It's still not 100% secret, why not just have an X in a box?Theuniondivvie said:
Looking on the internet it appears you have an option to chose a blank ballot paper and write down the preferred party/candidate. Presumably that would be the choice for those shy supporters of the far righ..er..rejectors of cradle to grave socialism.MaxPB said:
Well from what my cousin was saying it's intended purpose is to pressure people into not voting for anti-consensus parties like SD and the communists etc...RobD said:
http://pure.au.dk/portal/files/128529565/Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdfMaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
I'm quite surprised, as it makes it more difficult to have a truly secret ballot. They also mention printing 685 million ballot cards... which seems excessive.
It is a system designed to make people's votes less secret!
'There are also different kinds of ballot papers, allowing you to vote either for a particular party (without identifying a specific candidate), to choose from a list of candidates as well as parties, or to vote using a blank ballot paper. On blank ballot papers, you can write down any party and candidate. In theory, it's possible to write anyone's name, and if that person got a large enough proportion of votes, they would be elected.'
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You'll all be delighted to know that in the next few days I'll be publishing a thread comparing current political events to The Second Punic War.0
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Burns and Clarke, then.ydoethur said:
Certainly a possibility. Other than Burns and Jennings he's had the best season of any opener in the Championship.Nigelb said:
Joe Clarke worth a punt, IMO.ydoethur said:
Again, Buttler opens in IPL, his success in Tests has come in the lower middle order.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do, I was thinking it might work in the same way plucking Jos Buttler out of the IPL into the test team has worked.ydoethur said:
Hmmmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
See if it works, we know Jennings doesn't.Nigelb said:
And... ?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need two openers for this winter.Nigelb said:
Doesn’t seem to be able to catch, either.TheScreamingEagles said:
That Keaton Jennings dismissal reminded me of Michael Clarke at Old Trafford in 2005.AndyJS said:Keaton Jennings fouls up again.
That one off Rashid should have been taken.
Might as well give Jason Roy a chance.
You do know that Roy doesn't open for Surrey in first class cricket? They prefer England reject Mark Stoneman.
I don't see that as a valid comparison.
The only other one who might just possibly come into the reckoning is Miles Hammond. His two centuries have come against international bowlers in Jordan, Archer and Briggs plus Finn and Harris. However, I think he's still a bit young.
With the world cup next year, it’s not as though the selectors are particularly bothered anyway...
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The ECB, in their infinite wisdom, have scheduled the Ashes next summer as well.Nigelb said:
Burns and Clarke, then.
With the world cup next year, it’s not as though the selectors are particularly bothered anyway...0 -
How is it not secret? D'ye think there are massed ranks of disapproving social democrats standing around the polling station, tutting and tapping their noses every time some one picks up a blank sheet of paper?MaxPB said:
It's still not 100% secret, why not just have an X in a box?Theuniondivvie said:
Looking on the internet it appears you have an option to chose a blank ballot paper and write down the preferred party/candidate. Presumably that would be the choice for those shy supporters of the far righ..er..rejectors of cradle to grave socialism.MaxPB said:
Well from what my cousin was saying it's intended purpose is to pressure people into not voting for anti-consensus parties like SD and the communists etc...RobD said:
http://pure.au.dk/portal/files/128529565/Brisbane_paper_on_secret_voting_26062018.pdfMaxPB said:Something of a wildcard for the Sweden results tonight. My cousin who lives there explained to me how the voting system works and its intended purpose of shaming people into only voting for "acceptable" parties. The way voting happens there is that people take voting sheets from a common tray and them post them into a ballot box, each party running has it's own sheet in a separate container which one must pick the ballot paper up from. He said the system has been designed to put pressure onto people thinking of voting against the consensus and expects that SD will underperform the online polling because of it.
He was very surprised that it wasn't just an X in a box which is truly secret.
I'm quite surprised, as it makes it more difficult to have a truly secret ballot. They also mention printing 685 million ballot cards... which seems excessive.
It is a system designed to make people's votes less secret!
'There are also different kinds of ballot papers, allowing you to vote either for a particular party (without identifying a specific candidate), to choose from a list of candidates as well as parties, or to vote using a blank ballot paper. On blank ballot papers, you can write down any party and candidate. In theory, it's possible to write anyone's name, and if that person got a large enough proportion of votes, they would be elected.'
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Given the ongoing mess and division entailed by Brexit, the Thirty Years War might be more appropriate.TheScreamingEagles said:You'll all be delighted to know that in the next few days I'll be publishing a thread comparing current political events to The Second Punic War.
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The only other opener on that list is Gavaskar, who played in the 70s and 80s when pitches were worse and bowlers were better.tlg86 said:
Most of them didn't open the batting though.ydoethur said:
But he needs over 50 to push his average above 45 (which would still be by far the lowest of any player with ten thousand runs, incidentally).Nigelb said:If Cook is out for 20, he will have scored 12345 test runs.
Edit - to be exact he needs 50 or more.
EDIT: And Cook had to do it in England half the time.
Admittedly, he was also a phenomenal batsman who would have shone in any era.
But even Boycott managed 47 despite playing on well past his best and missing 30 Tests while at his peak in a fit of pique.0