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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,252

    Who does the fabrication for AMD chips?
    AIUI Global Foundries do the current-gen CPU and GPU chips. However today AMD announced they were going with TSMC, which appears to have forced GF to stop development (probably because they didn't think they'd have enough customers to justify the cost). But that essentially means they're dropping out of the business in the long term.

    GF spun out of AMD a few years back.

    They were looking at at >$10 billion cost to create just one production line at 7nm. And I don't think that included a move to EUV lithography - which has been the next big thing for a decade now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,418
    Cyclefree said:

    Agreed.

    (If I were to tease you, I’d say he’s very like Corbyn...
    I think him considerably more driven by narcissism than Corbyn.

    Being excluded from a national event like this will be excruciating for him.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Yorkcity said:

    Why should he ?

    Because you say so .
    Because it is batshit crazy. The only sense I can make of the concept of "cheapening the term Jew Hater" is that Corbyn is just a harmless little ol' Jew Disliker and Despiser, and that that is somehow OK in a potential UK Prime Minister.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,418

    It is possible to think that both Pence and Corbyn are beyond the pale.

    Agreed. I have contempt for both.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    RoyalBlue said:

    Ah, Ireland.

    This whole conundrum is an example of the consequences of the British government’s reluctance to treat former colonies as independent countries. If we go back to 1922, was it really sensible to permit freedom of movement with a state with irredentist aspirations? Was it sensible to give all inhabitants of the empire freedom of movement? Is it really sensible today to grant voting rights to non-citizens who happen to be born in former colonies?

    We have never thought about nation-building in the same way as the French. That insouciance has consequences.

    Then again, if the Unionists had settled for 4 rather than 6 counties we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.

    In 1922 Dominions, which was the status accorded to the Free State, were not independent states. The Crown was not divided and the Dominions did not get separate citizenships and their Governors-General did not take the advice of the Dominion governments until after the Statute of Westminster in 1931. Before that the Governors-General took the advice of the British government and were in part the British "ambassador" to their Dominion. High Commissioners didn't start being appointed between Commonwealth countries until after the Statute.

    The reason why we didn't bring in immigration controls with Ireland after it finally declared in 1949 that, yes it actually is a republic and has been in practice since 1937, and consequently left the Commonwealth under the rules then in place, was for sheer practicality. AIUI in 1949 something like 10% of the population of the UK was either (southern) Irish born or had parents born there. No-one in the government at the time wanted the administrative headache of dealing with them suddenly becoming "aliens" and the British people would not have regarded it as a good policy. Hence the Ireland Act 1949.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,506
    Yorkcity said:

    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,073
    Hemmelig said:

    I might add that, given the content of the posts, my impersonator may well be a Russian bot.
    Or the bots are moving to the next level of deception? ;)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    Perhaps, he likes them?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited August 2018

    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    Because bacon is tasty and not all Jewish people follow the religion's dietary laws or indeed are religious at all.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Because it is batshit crazy. The only sense I can make of the concept of "cheapening the term Jew Hater" is that Corbyn is just a harmless little ol' Jew Disliker and Despiser, and that that is somehow OK in a potential UK Prime Minister.
    I think it is more his dislike of the Israeli State and his support for the Palenstians .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,418

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Agreed - though the Chinese are likely to provide an alternate source reasonably soon.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    AIUI Global Foundries do the current-gen CPU and GPU chips. However today AMD announced they were going with TSMC, which appears to have forced GF to stop development (probably because they didn't think they'd have enough customers to justify the cost). But that essentially means they're dropping out of the business in the long term.

    GF spun out of AMD a few years back.

    They were looking at at >$10 billion cost to create just one production line at 7nm. And I don't think that included a move to EUV lithography - which has been the next big thing for a decade now.
    Moore’s Law eventually has to concede that they can’t make the atoms any smaller!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    A good friend of mine is a Muslim vegetarian, but he can still be tempted by the occasional bacon sandwich - especially when he’s hung over.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453
    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,129

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited August 2018

    He is but too much credence is given to him
    It's a bizarre issue to raise at all. After all, isn't one of the main complaints of Brexiteers that the necessity or otherwise of passport controls is being conflated with wider Border issues in relation to movement of goods and Freedom of Movement in its proper meaning of being able to live and work throughout the EU? The Common travel area preceded the EU, and there is no particular reason why it should be affected by the UK leaving it.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,384
    Foxy said:

    I note that Jezza made some remarks about Israel Lobby in Parliament in 2010.

    At the time this was quite a commonly held view, as seen in the 2009 Dispatches programme below:

    https://youtu.be/0E70BwA7xgU

    Interestingly it is narrated by Peter Oborne who wrote a very effective critique on Israel a couple of months ago in the Spectator on a very similar theme. It could be when researching this programme he learn't a few things

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/the-tories-never-condemn-the-naked-racism-of-benjamin-netanyahu-they-should/
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    His advisors , I suspect .
    I was listening to R4 one morning .John Humphries asked Ed Milliband if he was too ugly to be PM.

    Over rated twat , that Humphries .
  • I think Rabbi Sacks will end up solidifying Corbyn's position.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,252
    Nigelb said:

    Agreed - though the Chinese are likely to provide an alternate source reasonably soon.
    Not necessarily: China tend to be at least two gens behind, even with new fab plants:
    https://semiengineering.com/china-fab-boom-or-bust/

    In some ways this makes sense; the bleeding edge is mahoosively expensive (see above), whereas the mass-market is at the trailing-edge.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,384
    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,252
    Sandpit said:

    Moore’s Law eventually has to concede that they can’t make the atoms any smaller!
    I remember reading stories from 25 years ago (when I was 20) saying that we'd reach a limit soon wrt transistor sizes. However, a massively increased market for processors and an insatiable demand for more power / performance has made overcoming those problems worthwhile.

    But things like finfets, multi-patterning and the long-promised EUV are massively increasing complexity of fabrication. And problems with multi-patterning is allegedly destroying Intel at 10nm.

    As an example, one foundry had 10% yield at 10nm for the first six months; that means that only 1 in 10 chips made could be sold. They'd normally be looking at 40-50 minimum for a new process AIUI. That massively increases cost.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,210

    I think Rabbi Sacks will end up solidifying Corbyn's position.

    Hugo Rifkind tends to agree.

    https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/1034427830283759616
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,384

    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,099
    FF43 said:

    The UK would be going back on what it agreed in principle December last year in that case.
    Yes but that is kind of inevitable and to be fair the EU have gone back on their position too at the instance of the Irish. It was a very stupid thing to agree.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,506
    rpjs said:

    Because bacon is tasty and not all Jewish people follow the religion's dietary laws or indeed are religious at all.
    Not easy to eat, though, as was pointed out, IIRC, earlier. I seem to recall suggesting a black pudding one would have been easier to control.
  • Omnium said:

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
    We invade and annex the republic and then the border is no longer an issue. What could possibly go wrong?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Roger said:

    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
    He tolerated his wife's little necklacing habit with no problem and no protest at all. Did you know it takes an average 20 minutes to die of necklacing? Many people would have had a sternish word with the memsahib, but not Nelson. He was a small time posho careerist made good; the African George Osborne.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,622
    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453
    Sandpit said:

    A good friend of mine is a Muslim vegetarian, but he can still be tempted by the occasional bacon sandwich - especially when he’s hung over.
    If there is a god then bacon sandwiches are part of his thing. If you imagine bacon-sandwiches are somehow not part of the great plan, and yet you think there is a great plan, then you need to do some work on your thinking.

    I'm an atheist, but sometimes, around breakfast-time I have doubts. Eggs - they sing to me at breakfast. Very lightly cooked.. a simple elegance. If you spin this out into Kedgeree, then I'm even more staring to the heavens.

    If I had to guess, and if there is a god, then he'd have something to do with tea, and something to do with breakfast, and something to do with sunsets. Such a god though would have to agree though with the charm of the written word. If he didn't then tea, breakfasts, and sunsets notwithstanding I'd chase him out of my house.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Cyclefree said:

    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?

    Well, he does support Labour and a few front benchers have been filmed at segregated meetings.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,418

    Not necessarily: China tend to be at least two gens behind, even with new fab plants:
    https://semiengineering.com/china-fab-boom-or-bust/

    In some ways this makes sense; the bleeding edge is mahoosively expensive (see above), whereas the mass-market is at the trailing-edge.
    But they have the determination and resources to get there, and will in due course.

    As far as Moore’s law is concerned, there are other approaches:
    https://semiengineering.com/big-changes-for-mainstream-chip-architectures/

    And that’s not to mention any exotic new technologies in the physics labs, which will juice things up over the next decade or so.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,622
    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
  • Bacon is Cancer.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    You repeat...you repeat...you repeat.....

    You convince no-one here.

    Big John was one of those who claimed to see no anti semitism - lol

    The Arsene Wenger of Jezza fanboys.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Yes but in Roger's worldview the BBC is respectable and Jews are not. Archbishop of Canterbury equivalent or not be damned, only the BBC is giving a "veneer" of respectability.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,284

    Bacon is Cancer.

    Roger, Francis or the one you eat?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,252
    Nigelb said:

    But they have the determination and resources to get there, and will in due course.

    As far as Moore’s law is concerned, there are other approaches:
    https://semiengineering.com/big-changes-for-mainstream-chip-architectures/

    And that’s not to mention any exotic new technologies in the physics labs, which will juice things up over the next decade or so.

    These new architectures increase complexity and increase risk of architecture-related issues such as Spectre, Meltdown and the others that have come to light.

    And 'exotic new technologies' are routinely more expensive, at least to replace the current leading edge.

    However, my stated view is that China is looking towards the exotic; a game-changing technology that will level the playing field. The only problem is that I'm unsure there is one, at least at the right cost/complexity.
  • VinnyVinny Posts: 48
    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg
  • Vinny said:

    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg

    I disagree with him completely
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited August 2018
    oh look Jezza lets talk about ethnic cleansing and the right to return

    http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/28/the-jewish-exodus-which-corbyn-ignores/

    Oh, these people don't count?

  • Bacon is Cancer.

    Trust me: cancer is not nearly as nice as bacon.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,210
    Cyclefree said:

    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Not sure citing the AoC as a benchmark butters many parsnips on PB.
  • Vinny said:

    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg

    I’m fairly certain a lot of married ones did too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,284

    Not sure citing the AoC as a benchmark butters many parsnips on PB.
    But as a cleric he's not really analogous to the Moderator of the General Assembly.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    HHemling’s revelation that PB has been compromised by Russian bots explains a lot. Some of the PB Leaver accounts fooled nobody!
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Omnium said:

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
    It essentially amounts to assertion of British power in Northern Ireland. This would reinvigorate Irish republicanism, with unknown consequences.


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  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    alex. said:

    It's a bizarre issue to raise at all. After all, isn't one of the main complaints of Brexiteers that the necessity or otherwise of passport controls is being conflated with wider Border issues in relation to movement of goods and Freedom of Movement in its proper meaning of being able to live and work throughout the EU? The Common travel area preceded the EU, and there is no particular reason why it should be affected by the UK leaving it.

    It suggests that he either doesn't understand the issues, or he considers that the pursuit of Brexit and secure borders should be pursued irrespective of the political consequences for Ireland.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Yes but in Roger's worldview the BBC is respectable and Jews are not. Archbishop of Canterbury equivalent or not be damned, only the BBC is giving a "veneer" of respectability.
    You are aware that Roger is Jewish?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,252
    Anazina said:

    HHemling’s revelation that PB has been compromised by Russian bots explains a lot. Some of the PB Leaver accounts fooled nobody!

    Yes, comrade!
  • Anazina said:

    You are aware that Roger is Jewish?
    No. I don't keep tabs on who is or isn't. Doesn't alter what I wrote at all.

  • I would never have known you were Jewish. Till you told us.

    Why is that worthy of comment?

    Can you sometimes tell who's Jewish on here before they reveal it? What are the signs?
  • NEW THREAD

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,384
    Cyclefree said:

    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?

    Every gathering of the ultra orthodox would be segregated. Though it would be unlikely that women would attend political meetings where men are present
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,085
    Ishmael_Z said:

    He tolerated his wife's little necklacing habit with no problem and no protest at all. Did you know it takes an average 20 minutes to die of necklacing? Many people would have had a sternish word with the memsahib, but not Nelson. He was a small time posho careerist made good; the African George Osborne.
    He was actually in isolation in prison at the time!

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Foxy said:

    He was actually in isolation in prison at the time!

    Its like the Americans re-writing history in film..
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