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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Who does the fabrication for AMD chips?
    AIUI Global Foundries do the current-gen CPU and GPU chips. However today AMD announced they were going with TSMC, which appears to have forced GF to stop development (probably because they didn't think they'd have enough customers to justify the cost). But that essentially means they're dropping out of the business in the long term.

    GF spun out of AMD a few years back.

    They were looking at at >$10 billion cost to create just one production line at 7nm. And I don't think that included a move to EUV lithography - which has been the next big thing for a decade now.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anazina said:

    Even with Trump's very high shame threshold, I cannot see his failure to receive an invitation to the late Sen John McCain's memorial as anything other than deeply embarrassing, possibly damagingly so. That two of McCain's most high profile opponents – Bush Jr and Obama – have both been asked to deliver eulogies doubles down the pain on Trumpton. His absence will be conspicuous.
    It’s embarrassing but it’s the price he has paid for a lack of basic decency towards a political opponent. In this case, revenge really has been a dish eaten very cold indeed.
    I'd like to believe it will hurt him but to be honest I think Trump will brush this off quite easily. Best hope of seeing Trump suffer, at least within the realms of decency, is him losing badly come the next election, although obviously that might not happen.
    Agreed.

    (If I were to tease you, I’d say he’s very like Corbyn...
    I think him considerably more driven by narcissism than Corbyn.

    Being excluded from a national event like this will be excruciating for him.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Yorkcity said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    .

    Jezza is not a bigot

    I repeat you cheapen the terms Anti Semite and Jew Hater and should be ashamed
    That claim is batshit crazy. You should stop making it.
    Why should he ?

    Because you say so .
    Because it is batshit crazy. The only sense I can make of the concept of "cheapening the term Jew Hater" is that Corbyn is just a harmless little ol' Jew Disliker and Despiser, and that that is somehow OK in a potential UK Prime Minister.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822

    It is possible to think that both Pence and Corbyn are beyond the pale.

    Agreed. I have contempt for both.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    RoyalBlue said:

    Ah, Ireland.

    This whole conundrum is an example of the consequences of the British government’s reluctance to treat former colonies as independent countries. If we go back to 1922, was it really sensible to permit freedom of movement with a state with irredentist aspirations? Was it sensible to give all inhabitants of the empire freedom of movement? Is it really sensible today to grant voting rights to non-citizens who happen to be born in former colonies?

    We have never thought about nation-building in the same way as the French. That insouciance has consequences.

    Then again, if the Unionists had settled for 4 rather than 6 counties we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.

    In 1922 Dominions, which was the status accorded to the Free State, were not independent states. The Crown was not divided and the Dominions did not get separate citizenships and their Governors-General did not take the advice of the Dominion governments until after the Statute of Westminster in 1931. Before that the Governors-General took the advice of the British government and were in part the British "ambassador" to their Dominion. High Commissioners didn't start being appointed between Commonwealth countries until after the Statute.

    The reason why we didn't bring in immigration controls with Ireland after it finally declared in 1949 that, yes it actually is a republic and has been in practice since 1937, and consequently left the Commonwealth under the rules then in place, was for sheer practicality. AIUI in 1949 something like 10% of the population of the UK was either (southern) Irish born or had parents born there. No-one in the government at the time wanted the administrative headache of dealing with them suddenly becoming "aliens" and the British people would not have regarded it as a good policy. Hence the Ireland Act 1949.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,453
    Hemmelig said:

    Hemmelig said:

    Dear All

    I used to post under the name HHemmelig until I was banned a few months ago.

    Then someone activated this account, which is only one letter different, and have made some offensive posts on here with the obvious intention of making it seem like I made them.

    For reasons unknown they used my email address so bizarrely I was able to seize control of the account.

    Please disregard the 12 or so trolling posts which have been made by this account over the past few weeks.

    Thanks

    HHemmelig

    I might add that, given the content of the posts, my impersonator may well be a Russian bot.
    Or the bots are moving to the next level of deception? ;)
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    Perhaps, he likes them?
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited August 2018

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    Because bacon is tasty and not all Jewish people follow the religion's dietary laws or indeed are religious at all.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    .

    Jezza is not a bigot

    I repeat you cheapen the terms Anti Semite and Jew Hater and should be ashamed
    That claim is batshit crazy. You should stop making it.
    Why should he ?

    Because you say so .
    Because it is batshit crazy. The only sense I can make of the concept of "cheapening the term Jew Hater" is that Corbyn is just a harmless little ol' Jew Disliker and Despiser, and that that is somehow OK in a potential UK Prime Minister.
    I think it is more his dislike of the Israeli State and his support for the Palenstians .
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Agreed - though the Chinese are likely to provide an alternate source reasonably soon.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Who does the fabrication for AMD chips?
    AIUI Global Foundries do the current-gen CPU and GPU chips. However today AMD announced they were going with TSMC, which appears to have forced GF to stop development (probably because they didn't think they'd have enough customers to justify the cost). But that essentially means they're dropping out of the business in the long term.

    GF spun out of AMD a few years back.

    They were looking at at >$10 billion cost to create just one production line at 7nm. And I don't think that included a move to EUV lithography - which has been the next big thing for a decade now.
    Moore’s Law eventually has to concede that they can’t make the atoms any smaller!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    A good friend of mine is a Muslim vegetarian, but he can still be tempted by the occasional bacon sandwich - especially when he’s hung over.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659

    Roger said:

    Excellent interview with TM by Michael Crick. 'Aren't you going to feel ashamed when you go to Robbin Island that the lady you supported was intent on him staying there?'

    Embarrassed shrug move on.......

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited August 2018

    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    He is but too much credence is given to him
    It's a bizarre issue to raise at all. After all, isn't one of the main complaints of Brexiteers that the necessity or otherwise of passport controls is being conflated with wider Border issues in relation to movement of goods and Freedom of Movement in its proper meaning of being able to live and work throughout the EU? The Common travel area preceded the EU, and there is no particular reason why it should be affected by the UK leaving it.

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    Foxy said:

    I note that Jezza made some remarks about Israel Lobby in Parliament in 2010.

    At the time this was quite a commonly held view, as seen in the 2009 Dispatches programme below:

    https://youtu.be/0E70BwA7xgU

    Interestingly it is narrated by Peter Oborne who wrote a very effective critique on Israel a couple of months ago in the Spectator on a very similar theme. It could be when researching this programme he learn't a few things

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/the-tories-never-condemn-the-naked-racism-of-benjamin-netanyahu-they-should/
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    His advisors , I suspect .
    I was listening to R4 one morning .John Humphries asked Ed Milliband if he was too ugly to be PM.

    Over rated twat , that Humphries .
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    I think Rabbi Sacks will end up solidifying Corbyn's position.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    Nigelb said:

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Agreed - though the Chinese are likely to provide an alternate source reasonably soon.
    Not necessarily: China tend to be at least two gens behind, even with new fab plants:
    https://semiengineering.com/china-fab-boom-or-bust/

    In some ways this makes sense; the bleeding edge is mahoosively expensive (see above), whereas the mass-market is at the trailing-edge.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    Sandpit said:

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Who does the fabrication for AMD chips?
    AIUI Global Foundries do the current-gen CPU and GPU chips. However today AMD announced they were going with TSMC, which appears to have forced GF to stop development (probably because they didn't think they'd have enough customers to justify the cost). But that essentially means they're dropping out of the business in the long term.

    GF spun out of AMD a few years back.

    They were looking at at >$10 billion cost to create just one production line at 7nm. And I don't think that included a move to EUV lithography - which has been the next big thing for a decade now.
    Moore’s Law eventually has to concede that they can’t make the atoms any smaller!
    I remember reading stories from 25 years ago (when I was 20) saying that we'd reach a limit soon wrt transistor sizes. However, a massively increased market for processors and an insatiable demand for more power / performance has made overcoming those problems worthwhile.

    But things like finfets, multi-patterning and the long-promised EUV are massively increasing complexity of fabrication. And problems with multi-patterning is allegedly destroying Intel at 10nm.

    As an example, one foundry had 10% yield at 10nm for the first six months; that means that only 1 in 10 chips made could be sold. They'd normally be looking at 40-50 minimum for a new process AIUI. That massively increases cost.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,268

    I think Rabbi Sacks will end up solidifying Corbyn's position.

    Hugo Rifkind tends to agree.

    https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/1034427830283759616
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900

    Roger said:

    Excellent interview with TM by Michael Crick. 'Aren't you going to feel ashamed when you go to Robbin Island that the lady you supported was intent on him staying there?'

    Embarrassed shrug move on.......

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,392
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    T

    The real problem is that these solutions are not really compatible with what our government has already signed up for. That was a mistake.

    That is the nub - we can do all sorts of things, as you say registration being however a pre-requisite for most of them. We don't seem to have started this. Plus the scope for c**k-up has got to be monumental in as you say such a frighteningly large job.
    I can't see FOM stopping before any transition period now. If we wanted it to work from March next year we would have had to start work a year ago at least.
    Didn't we agree last December that FOM would continue during any transition period anyway? The whole point of the transition is that all rules (including FOM and payment) continue as is even though we've left.
    Well yes, but we only have a transition period if we have a deal. No deal, no transition, no freedom of movement.
    Well agreed yes but your comment was "FOM stopping before any transition period" ... we've already agreed that won't happen. If there's no transition then there's an almighty long list of things we need to resolve but that simply won't happen. May will fold like a pack of cards and sign whatever Barnier gives her. And enough in Parliament will fold too.
    This could be clearer but the position as I understand it from Chequers is that any FOM during the transition period will be restricted. The suggestion is that you will need proof of a job or an education place before you are allowed to come rather than having a period to look for one when you get here. What I think we can infer from the announcement today is that those who come during that period may not qualify for the 5 year right of residency either but it is not entirely clear because there is also reference to "working up" to the 5 years and it may be that this could happen after any transition period is finished.
    The UK would be going back on what it agreed in principle December last year in that case.
    Yes but that is kind of inevitable and to be fair the EU have gone back on their position too at the instance of the Irish. It was a very stupid thing to agree.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    rpjs said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    Because bacon is tasty and not all Jewish people follow the religion's dietary laws or indeed are religious at all.
    Not easy to eat, though, as was pointed out, IIRC, earlier. I seem to recall suggesting a black pudding one would have been easier to control.
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    Omnium said:

    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
    We invade and annex the republic and then the border is no longer an issue. What could possibly go wrong?
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Excellent interview with TM by Michael Crick. 'Aren't you going to feel ashamed when you go to Robbin Island that the lady you supported was intent on him staying there?'

    Embarrassed shrug move on.......

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
    He tolerated his wife's little necklacing habit with no problem and no protest at all. Did you know it takes an average 20 minutes to die of necklacing? Many people would have had a sternish word with the memsahib, but not Nelson. He was a small time posho careerist made good; the African George Osborne.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    Sandpit said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    It appears Corbyn's labour is in open warfare against the British Jewish Community.

    I just find the whole thing horrific, especially being a very young impressionable child when the pictures from Auschwitz and other camps were dominating the news media

    Labour should be ashamed and those mps staying in the party are complicit, whether they like it or not.

    It seem to many the reverse is true.

    Exaggeration and hyperbole , seem to overtaken this site.
    Mainly due to their hatred of Corbyn.
    I don't hate Corbyn. I just wish he wasn't a prat.

    After al, if he wasn't he wouldn't be in this mess and Labour would be in with a decent shout of wrecking the Tories for a generation.
    He is not a favourite of mine.
    However I do not agree with that assessment.
    The last Labour leader was ridiculed ,and left the party further away from power, with a slightly left agenda.
    There was no shame in those days attacking for looking funny, been a back stabber etc All underhand Jewish tropes.
    The last Labour leader was ethnically Jewish. Why he ate a bacon sarni I'll never understand.
    A good friend of mine is a Muslim vegetarian, but he can still be tempted by the occasional bacon sandwich - especially when he’s hung over.
    If there is a god then bacon sandwiches are part of his thing. If you imagine bacon-sandwiches are somehow not part of the great plan, and yet you think there is a great plan, then you need to do some work on your thinking.

    I'm an atheist, but sometimes, around breakfast-time I have doubts. Eggs - they sing to me at breakfast. Very lightly cooked.. a simple elegance. If you spin this out into Kedgeree, then I'm even more staring to the heavens.

    If I had to guess, and if there is a god, then he'd have something to do with tea, and something to do with breakfast, and something to do with sunsets. Such a god though would have to agree though with the charm of the written word. If he didn't then tea, breakfasts, and sunsets notwithstanding I'd chase him out of my house.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Cyclefree said:

    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?

    Well, he does support Labour and a few front benchers have been filmed at segregated meetings.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822

    Nigelb said:

    Off-topic:

    Today, chip fabrication company Global Foundries announced that it is stopping all development of its next-generation 7 nanometre process. This leaves only three companies developing this claass of technology: Intel, Samsung and TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

    Back in the 1980s, there were many (from memory, over 30) companies who could fab latest-gen chips. Now there are just three.

    This is an indications that Moore's Law is finally coming to an end: it has been kept going by architecture and process improvements, and the latter is coming shuddering to a halt as the new processes are just too expensive to develop.

    It also means that all the fabless chip design companies (in which the UK excel) will have even less choice if they want to use the latest tech - and this will have knock-on effects in the future. Also expect next-gen chips to be more expensive, as competition and capacity has been reduced. Non-Intel manufacturers essentially have only two to choose from.

    This is not a good thing (tm).

    Agreed - though the Chinese are likely to provide an alternate source reasonably soon.
    Not necessarily: China tend to be at least two gens behind, even with new fab plants:
    https://semiengineering.com/china-fab-boom-or-bust/

    In some ways this makes sense; the bleeding edge is mahoosively expensive (see above), whereas the mass-market is at the trailing-edge.
    But they have the determination and resources to get there, and will in due course.

    As far as Moore’s law is concerned, there are other approaches:
    https://semiengineering.com/big-changes-for-mainstream-chip-architectures/

    And that’s not to mention any exotic new technologies in the physics labs, which will juice things up over the next decade or so.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
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    Bacon is Cancer.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    RoyalBlue said:

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    Jezza is not a bigot

    I repeat you cheapen the terms Anti Semite and Jew Hater and should be ashamed
    You repeat...you repeat...you repeat.....

    You convince no-one here.

    Big John was one of those who claimed to see no anti semitism - lol

    The Arsene Wenger of Jezza fanboys.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Yes but in Roger's worldview the BBC is respectable and Jews are not. Archbishop of Canterbury equivalent or not be damned, only the BBC is giving a "veneer" of respectability.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    Bacon is Cancer.

    Roger, Francis or the one you eat?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    Nigelb said:

    But they have the determination and resources to get there, and will in due course.

    As far as Moore’s law is concerned, there are other approaches:
    https://semiengineering.com/big-changes-for-mainstream-chip-architectures/

    And that’s not to mention any exotic new technologies in the physics labs, which will juice things up over the next decade or so.

    These new architectures increase complexity and increase risk of architecture-related issues such as Spectre, Meltdown and the others that have come to light.

    And 'exotic new technologies' are routinely more expensive, at least to replace the current leading edge.

    However, my stated view is that China is looking towards the exotic; a game-changing technology that will level the playing field. The only problem is that I'm unsure there is one, at least at the right cost/complexity.
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    VinnyVinny Posts: 48
    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg
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    Vinny said:

    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg

    I disagree with him completely
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    edited August 2018
    oh look Jezza lets talk about ethnic cleansing and the right to return

    http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/28/the-jewish-exodus-which-corbyn-ignores/

    Oh, these people don't count?

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    Bacon is Cancer.

    Trust me: cancer is not nearly as nice as bacon.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,268
    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Not sure citing the AoC as a benchmark butters many parsnips on PB.
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    Vinny said:

    Wow. A single person disagrees with Rees-Mogg

    I’m fairly certain a lot of married ones did too.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Not sure citing the AoC as a benchmark butters many parsnips on PB.
    But as a cleric he's not really analogous to the Moderator of the General Assembly.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    HHemling’s revelation that PB has been compromised by Russian bots explains a lot. Some of the PB Leaver accounts fooled nobody!
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Omnium said:

    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    "war between Ireland and the UK"

    Please spin out the scenario.
    It essentially amounts to assertion of British power in Northern Ireland. This would reinvigorate Irish republicanism, with unknown consequences.


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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    alex. said:

    nielh said:

    Moggs position could quite quickly escalate to war between Ireland and the UK. He is a fool.

    He is but too much credence is given to him
    It's a bizarre issue to raise at all. After all, isn't one of the main complaints of Brexiteers that the necessity or otherwise of passport controls is being conflated with wider Border issues in relation to movement of goods and Freedom of Movement in its proper meaning of being able to live and work throughout the EU? The Common travel area preceded the EU, and there is no particular reason why it should be affected by the UK leaving it.

    It suggests that he either doesn't understand the issues, or he considers that the pursuit of Brexit and secure borders should be pursued irrespective of the political consequences for Ireland.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Yes but in Roger's worldview the BBC is respectable and Jews are not. Archbishop of Canterbury equivalent or not be damned, only the BBC is giving a "veneer" of respectability.
    You are aware that Roger is Jewish?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    Anazina said:

    HHemling’s revelation that PB has been compromised by Russian bots explains a lot. Some of the PB Leaver accounts fooled nobody!

    Yes, comrade!
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    Anazina said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to use Jonathan Sacks in their campaign against Corbyn they should think again. Having said that Radio 4 has given him a veneer of respectability
    Why do you think he’s being used? Maybe he’s just saying what he thinks, however ill-advised it might be.

    It’s not Radio 4 which has given him a veneer of respectability. He was the Chief Rabbi for 12 years, the Jewish equivalent of being Archbishop of Canterbury.
    Yes but in Roger's worldview the BBC is respectable and Jews are not. Archbishop of Canterbury equivalent or not be damned, only the BBC is giving a "veneer" of respectability.
    You are aware that Roger is Jewish?
    No. I don't keep tabs on who is or isn't. Doesn't alter what I wrote at all.
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    I would never have known you were Jewish. Till you told us.

    Why is that worthy of comment?

    Can you sometimes tell who's Jewish on here before they reveal it? What are the signs?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    Cyclefree said:

    @Roger: weddings and funerals are private matters.

    Political meetings are, generally, not. Do you have much experience of segregated political meetings in Britain?

    Every gathering of the ultra orthodox would be segregated. Though it would be unlikely that women would attend political meetings where men are present
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,826
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Excellent interview with TM by Michael Crick. 'Aren't you going to feel ashamed when you go to Robbin Island that the lady you supported was intent on him staying there?'

    Embarrassed shrug move on.......

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
    He tolerated his wife's little necklacing habit with no problem and no protest at all. Did you know it takes an average 20 minutes to die of necklacing? Many people would have had a sternish word with the memsahib, but not Nelson. He was a small time posho careerist made good; the African George Osborne.
    He was actually in isolation in prison at the time!

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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Excellent interview with TM by Michael Crick. 'Aren't you going to feel ashamed when you go to Robbin Island that the lady you supported was intent on him staying there?'

    Embarrassed shrug move on.......

    Michael Crick is full of crap.

    When I arrived, P W Botha was the state president. Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    And

    Afterwards, Mandela told me that the prime minister was a “woman he could do business with”. At his press conference that afternoon, choosing his words with heavy emphasis, Mandela declared that Thatcher “is an enemy of apartheid”.

    But what do Nelson Mandela and the then British Ambassador to South Africa know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
    I thought Crick was extremely rude, as well as wrong.
    Rude but accurate. Mandela in his praise/forgiveness of her just proved what everyone now knows. He's was a saint
    He tolerated his wife's little necklacing habit with no problem and no protest at all. Did you know it takes an average 20 minutes to die of necklacing? Many people would have had a sternish word with the memsahib, but not Nelson. He was a small time posho careerist made good; the African George Osborne.
    He was actually in isolation in prison at the time!

    Its like the Americans re-writing history in film..
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