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Why the latest on Corbyn and Jewish people is different – good from @Dannythefink https://t.co/3LY6vpDWNg
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-zionists-2013-speech
Now we have a "Brexiter type" Prime Minister in Australia.
Labour’s press officers are getting every opportunity to make a real difference for their client.
Where the big impact might come is among Labour MPs. Mike is right about press officers but they're there to do what they're there to do. MPs, on the other hand, don't have the same obligation to defend Corbyn. Much more like this and we'll again see either open revolt where many MPs simply disown Corbyn as their leader, as in 2016, or even an outright split.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/06/30/the-weight-of-brexit-leave-vote-is-higher-in-areas-of-higher-obesity/
But the remarks about irony are the ones that will cause real difficulty. The remark that despite “having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either”, carries with it the implication that most British Jews are not properly British despite having lived in – and in most cases been born in – the UK. Even if just applied to the specific group of people targeted in the speech, it still involves describing those specific people in a way that implies they are not properly English or British despite having lived here for all or most of their lives, which will obviously upset anyone who feels they have a commonality with the people described in that matter.
It’s hard to see where Labour goes from here.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-remarks-british-zionists-offensive
Labour must be so proud.
Next Corbyn’s team will be using the line that the absolute boy cannot be a racist because Judaism/Zionism isn’t a race.
It’s the same line the far right make when they say Islam isn’t a race.
No matter how angry you get,we are still leaving the EU.
I am the type of person Labour need to convince in the marginals. This antisemitism issue makes me believe that the heart of Labour has been corrupted by a real force for evil.
With Corbyn et al in charge, I would never ever vote Labour, no matter how bad the Conservatives get. I know others who feel the same.
They don’t seem to realise if Brexit turns into a pooh show there’s a chance we’ll Rejoin.
Then the anger from Leavers will be fun.
ScoMo is hugely progressive compared to PDutty
* The sheer cosmic incompetence of those implementing Brexit. It does not inspire confidence. Brexiteers do not take responsibility.
* The fact that the hard Brexiters said something before the vote and something different after. The idea that we must be outside the CU and SM came after the vote. There has been no effort to accommodate views of the 48%. It's all thin end of the wedge. There is no trust.
* All the barbs about being traitors, Remoaners, citizens of nowhere and much worse.
However the Leave vote was also a protest vote against the rich, thinner, wealthy, graduate elite based mainly in London and the Corbyn vote was too to a lesser degree.
The thinnest people tend to be the AB upper middle class on average and they were the only class to vote for Remain and to vote Tory as they are largely content with their lot. People often overeat as comfort food to compensate for lack of contentment elsewhere in life
It is scapegoating of unpopular minorities. But according to @NickPalmer we should not be worried because Labour represents the cultural zeitgeist and not the nasty racism of previous decades. He was talking garbage, of course.
Good luck with that.
This might have changed because it's a while ago I learnt it, but Sikhs and Jews are considered both an ethnic and religious description in law, presumably because of the inherited status (this applies to orthodox Jews, I think other denominations permit conversion to the religion). It's also why Disraeli and Ed Miliband are described as Jewish political leaders despite the former converting to the Anglican Church and the latter being an atheist.
If someone's discriminating against another on the basis of their religious position (Muslim, in this instance) that's unacceptable. If someone's taking the piss out of a religion (in this case Islam) that's absolutely fine. Blasphemy laws cannot and must not be imposed upon non-believers.
What you have estimated is the median age for the whole electorate - which I have already given you.
The median age for the leave voting segment will clearly be higher.
Judaism I'd argue is a bit different, Ed Miliband say is almost always described as Jewish rather than atheist. It's probably the most ethnically homogenous (By virtue of being numerically tiny compared to the other big two, Christianity and Islam) of the Abrahamic religions.
"One mans freedom fighter is another's terrorist..."
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/801841527857278977?s=19
Fatties with skid marks for Global Britain?
I think leaving the customs union is an absolute red line, but was very relaxed about almost any other arrangement, perhaps even including membership of the single market.
However, had Remain won there would be sod all effort to try and accommodate a theoretical 48% who voted Leave, so I think that's a somewhat unfair point. As for barbs, there is plenty of nastiness flung both ways by noisy fringes. I think most people, being rather quieter, just want a reasonable negotiated deal.
Mr. F, sad to hear that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk
Really bad news. Trump will be happy.
As many others have pointed out, young folk are pro-Europe. If that continues, rejoining is but a matter of time.
You are right, this is PB.
Thanks for posting the link to the study, Alastair.
Had Dutton won you would have been right, though Morrison is a more traditional conservative and will be closer to Trump and more pro Brexit than the globalist liberal Turnbull was
'But only one MP has ever formally crossed the floor from red to blue (excluding National Labour in 1931)'
Reg Prentice comes to my mind from 1977. I believe that the MP for Tottenham switched to the Tories during the 1959 Parliament.
What's changed I think is that people are now prepared to realise what Corbyn really is and challenge him for it. There's no real chance of reconciliation short of Corbyn admitting he's an anti-Semite and apologising. Will it sway the membership? Unlikely but a split is now probably inevitable and a vicious one too - as any new grouping will in effect be calling Corbyn and the party he leads racist to the core.
https://twitter.com/KoltovskoyYakov/status/1033013043540709377
I wonder what this means. Is immunity given before the beans are spilled or do the prosecutors have a pretty good idea what they will be officially told ?
...as a Catholic father-of-six he has consistently opposed gay marriage. In 2013, he said that on same sex partnerships, “I take my whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the [Conservative] Whip’s Office.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-moggmentum-run-for-tory-leader-leadership-election-contest-conservative-party-a7891196.html
It really is quite something that Labour has come to this. Harold Wilson said: “The Labour party is a moral crusade or it is nothing.” That it could become worse than nothing, a scar on our body politic, must have been beyond his wildest imagining.
John McCain a great man .I hoped he would have been voted in as president back in 2008.
Of course 2016 Leavers in 1975 voted by a majority to join the Common Market if they were alive and eligible to vote then
At some time in the next three months I can see TM, Junckers and Tusk, holding a press conference announcing agreement with lots of nice words banishing both extremes to the margins
While there is some fun to be had teasing Leavers, I think it does demonstrate how different Britains two tribes are.
It wasn’t this one (mine was contemporaneous) but it covers the same ground
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Killing-Fairfax-Murdoch-Ultimate-Revenge-ebook/dp/B00C4M25P0/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1535125088&sr=1-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=fairfax+australia&dpPl=1&dpID=51vWJrYsbTL&ref=plSrch
But then again, 50 years ago he was being tortured in the Hanoi Hilton. If someone could have convinced him then that he'd die in his mid 80s in his bed with his family around him, he'd have wept for joy.
Which might be some consolation.
Dawkins is an anti-theist rather than an atheist. It as much a belief based faith as any religion. My point though is that he seems comfortable attacking Christianity, but less so attacking a religion that might throw a fatwa at him
Chuka Umunna slams talk of breakaway party as 'false news'
Labour or the Lib Dems can campaign at the next GE to rejoin - and if they win the subsequent referendum fair enough - but thats our process and the great & the good campaigning from on high for a so called 'people's vote' - so they can ignore the result of a people's vote sticks in my craw.
A UK with a 4% smaller economy than it might have been (or not, we'll never know) in 15 years time would still be the UK.
A UK where the result of the largest popular vote in history had been ignored could be a very different country,