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Above is from some new polling just issued by YouGov in which those surveyed were asked to rate TMay against the three preceding PMs.
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First!0
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Unlike Theresa May0
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Bring back Dave.
Dave is the best.
I miss Dave.0 -
Longing for simpler times when all we had to worry about was what farm animals the PM had sexually violated.0
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"YouGov polled 1627 Screaming Eagles"0
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That story was fake news from Isabel Oakeshott.grabcocque said:Longing for simpler times when all we had to worry about was what farm animals the PM had sexually violated.
Those were the days.0 -
"Met Office
Verified account @metoffice
UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"0 -
‘Neither of these’ did really well in that poll
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Gordon Brown ahead with Labour voters. May doing better with Leave voters.0
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All of the others are viewed through the retrospectoscope (even Cameron).
May's long term rating is entirely dependent upon the outcome over the next 9 months. If she pulls it off she may well improve her rating. If she fumbles it she will be down there with Brown but still ahead of the new PM Corbyn.0 -
Mr. Wiggs, maybe we could call that red shift, with potential future leaders seen with blue shift (as per the Doppler Effect)?0
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Oldies for Mrs May!
May lead vs Blair: 65+: +40
Youngsters for war criminals Blair:
May lead vs Blair: 18-24: -20
This group also breaks heavily for Cameron (May vs Cameron; -25) while their elders: +24
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/y44hee0b42/Internal_Results_180724_OldPM_w.pdf
As for Balir:
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interrèd with their bones.0 -
Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?0
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Pretty pointless to put her up against Maggie.The_Apocalypse said:‘Neither of these’ did really well in that poll
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It seems like these results in large part reflect Labour voters choosing "neither". If you didn't allow a neither option the results would probably be quite different.0
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No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.Stark_Dawning said:Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.
Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.0 -
The Tories were very tired by '97. It's probably not much more complicated than that. I won't vote for them at the next GE for much the same reason. We'll have had twelve years; that's plenty. Seventeen would be unhealthy, Corbyn notwithstanding.Stark_Dawning said:Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
*edit* Johnny can't count. Bad Johnny.0 -
Blair is not just about Iraq, although that was the straw that broke the camels back.
It’s because he’s now recognised to be a universal weasel.0 -
Mr. M, better a tired, lacklustre government than one led by Corbyn.0
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The difficulty is that different Prime Ministers are suited to different times. I thought Gordon Brown was a dismal Prime Minister, but the current requirements of government are ideally suited to his talents.
In the abstract with nothing much going on I'd probably give the order:
Cameron
Blair
Major
Brown
May
But as of today's date I'd probably give the order:
Brown
May
Major
Blair
Cameron0 -
You are, of course, entitled to believe that Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. M, better a tired, lacklustre government than one led by Corbyn.
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Those Labour splits for "Neither" when compared to Blair and Brown are extraordinary. An utterly changed party.
(Quite what "neither" is doing as an option here, I'm not sure, but that's another question.)0 -
Mr. M, it's not just my belief. So sayeth the octo-lemur who, we ought not forget, accurately predicted the percentages of the EU referendum.0
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You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.0
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What are people praying for?Tissue_Price said:
For the Lord to intervene in the UK judicial system to pervert the course of justice?0 -
Is it really that ‘changed’? New Labour was to the right of Labour members and was likely to the right of Labour voters as well. Blair started becoming an unpopular figure from 2003, Brown from 2008. I mean when you have Blair doing things like this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11346397/How-Tony-Blair-became-a-darling-of-the-Republicans.html it’s no wonder he’s not exactly massively beloved by Labour supporters. Brown is the more curious one in some respects: he’s tried to play up to being more to the left than he probably is as of late, and it’s not really working.Tissue_Price said:Those Labour splits for "Neither" when compared to Blair and Brown are extraordinary. An utterly changed party.
(Quite what "neither" is doing as an option here, I'm not sure, but that's another question.)0 -
12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.grabcocque said:You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.
With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.
However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.
Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
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Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?Tissue_Price said:0 -
John Major got his Maastrict policy through parliament and the EU.
Will May get Chequers minus through parliament and the EU?0 -
Perhaps they will be influenced in the way @grabcocque suggests.Sandpit said:
Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?Tissue_Price said:0 -
He's big on speeding finesgrabcocque said:
What are people praying for?Tissue_Price said:
For the Lord to intervene in the UK judicial system to pervert the course of justice?0 -
No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.Sandpit said:
Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?Tissue_Price said:
She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.
More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.0 -
She'll surely be recalled if sent to prison at all. [So she'll probably resign first.]David_Evershed said:
No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.Sandpit said:
Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?Tissue_Price said:
She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.
More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.0 -
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?RobinWiggs said:
12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.grabcocque said:You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.
With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.
However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.
Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
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Bring back national service, concerted push to keep China British.Benpointer said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?0 -
Indeed. Huhne resigned on the day he plead guilty, realising correctly that it was untenable for someone convicted of interfering with the law to sit in Parliament.Tissue_Price said:
She'll surely be recalled if sent to prison at all. [So she'll probably resign first.]David_Evershed said:
No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.Sandpit said:
Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?Tissue_Price said:
She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.
More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.
This sort of case is exactly why the recall law was introduced, even though it got somewhat watered down from the original proposal.0 -
Interestingly the lower orders (C2DE- ed.) prefer May to the alternatives with the exception of Cameron, where its a tie. On the other hand their betters (ABC1 - ed.) prefer Major & Cameron to May. They're also less agin Blair (-4 vs -8).0
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Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:Benpointer said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?RobinWiggs said:
12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.grabcocque said:You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.
With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.
However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.
Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
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Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:The_Apocalypse said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.
It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.0 -
One of my friends would have voted Tory, but for this issue.grabcocque said:
Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.The_Apocalypse said:
Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:BenPointer said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.0 -
She should keep away from all social media until the trial is over.Tissue_Price said:
This is just inappropriate.0 -
@grabcocque Yep, it conjures up the ‘nasty party’ image of the Tories for many people. The dementia tax probably didn’t help on that score as well.0
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The blockquotes melted in the heat.
Monmouthshire hunt was mostly plebs. I suppose it might be different in Lloegr.0 -
Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.grabcocque said:
Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:The_Apocalypse said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.
The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.0 -
Sounds like the EU Parliament might finally have an opposition worthy of the name.CarlottaVance said:0 -
May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.0 -
Sort the Blockquotes people.dixiedean said:
The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.grabcocque said:
Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.The_Apocalypse said:
Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:BenPointer said:
Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe?
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.0 -
Unlikely. The federalist EPP and S&D blocs are still projected to end up with around 2/3rds of the seats.Sandpit said:
Sounds like the EU Parliament might finally have an opposition worthy of the name.CarlottaVance said:0 -
https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.0 -
Coupled with the poorly spun manifesto pledge for the ivory ban being dropped.grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
There were more than one or two candidates and MPs who were delighted when Victoria Borwick lost her seat.0 -
Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.RobinWiggs said:
No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.Stark_Dawning said:Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.
Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.0 -
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?0 -
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.0 -
*weasels scurry off to consult libel lawyer....*Casino_Royale said:Blair is not just about Iraq, although that was the straw that broke the camels back.
It’s because he’s now recognised to be a universal weasel.0 -
A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.Tykejohnno said:
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.0 -
I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.0 -
If you have someone who is good at campaigning,I heard lots on how good Theresa was a good campaigner,didn't see much of it at the last GE.grabcocque said:
A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.Tykejohnno said:
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.0 -
There wasn't anything wrong with Labour's manifesto, politically speaking - it delivered the left en bloc.grabcocque said:
A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.Tykejohnno said:
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.0 -
I thought it was the dementia tax proposal.grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.0 -
I disagree re the Labour manifesto - it was much better than I expected and very nearly led me to vote for them.grabcocque said:
A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.Tykejohnno said:
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.0 -
And the Tory manifesto on the day of the reveal was tested on radio 5 with callers,it went down like a bucket of sick.Tykejohnno said:
If you have someone who is good at campaigning,I heard lots on how good Theresa was a good campaigner,didn't see much of it at the last GE.grabcocque said:
A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.Tykejohnno said:
Was that before the Tory manifesto ?grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
I know it was a small sample but that made me take notice something was wrong.0 -
So you don’t know.ralphmalph said:
I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.0 -
https://www.getlinkgroup.com/uploadedFiles/assets-uk/the-channel-tunnel/180604-EY-Channel-Tunnel-Footprint-Report.pdfralphmalph said:
I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
"The total value of exports from the EU to the UK transported through the Channel Tunnel in 2016 was €69.0bn
This represents 21% of the total value of EU exports to the UK."0 -
Correct, but I have never said I did.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you don’t know.ralphmalph said:
I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.0 -
Your original post inferred you did re the food shortages.ralphmalph said:
Correct, but I have never said I did.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you don’t know.ralphmalph said:
I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?ralphmalph said:https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/
Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.
Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.
Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
By my rough calculations around 8% of food and drink imports come via the Chunnel.
https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Economic_footprint_of_the_Channel_Tunnel_fixed_link/$File/Channel Tunnel EN light.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply0 -
The only time I had a death threat was from a hunt supporter. Rather endearingly, he provided his name and address, saving tiresome investigative time. The fuzz reasoned with him gently and I heard nothing further. But it did make me feel brave and virtuous, defying the mighty assassins to do my bit for foxhood.dixiedean said:
The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.
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"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!0 -
Liam must have been relievedgrabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong. 0 -
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.0 -
You missed the caveat before that?Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!
In electoral terms he is also the most successful leader in his party’s history0 -
BRINO. That’s something the Tory party can rally around.Sandpit said:
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
Oh wait...0 -
Customs union it is.Sandpit said:
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.0 -
The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?0
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Corrected it for youTheScreamingEagles said:
You missed the caveat before that?Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!
In electoral terms he is also the most successful Snake-oil Merchant in his party’s history
But Maggie's achievement still stands.0 -
Barnier seems to have just pulled the plug on Theresa May?0
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Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!0 -
Barnier or Barmier?GIN1138 said:Barnier seems to have just pulled the plug on Theresa May?
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PB making too much of polling?bondegezou said:The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?
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AndyJS said:
"Met Office
Verified account @metoffice
UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"
And despite all that preparation, look at how little of real substance was actually attempted let alone achieved.rottenborough said:
Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.RobinWiggs said:
No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.Stark_Dawning said:Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.
Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.0 -
Norway plus.williamglenn said:
Customs union it is.Sandpit said:
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.0 -
The last time that any party won a working majority was Blair in 2005. The last time the Tories did it was Thatcher in 1987 - 31 years ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!0 -
You "could of" wrote:MikeSmithson said:
Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!
In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.0 -
The problem was over caution.Cyclefree said:AndyJS said:"Met Office
Verified account @metoffice
UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"
And despite all that preparation, look at how little of real substance was actually attempted let alone achieved.rottenborough said:
Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.RobinWiggs said:
No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.Stark_Dawning said:Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.
Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.
I doubt that will be an issue with the Corbyn-fest.0 -
Of course, of course, but there hasn't been a Labour PM since 2010. Correct?MikeSmithson said:
The last time that any party won a working majority was Blair in 2005. The last time the Tories did it was Thatcher in 1987 - 31 years ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!0 -
English isn’t your first language is it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You "could of" wrote:MikeSmithson said:
Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!
In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.
Could of????
For those of whose first language is English it is ‘could have’0 -
If only the Brexiteers had reckoned with Paddy Power before they started, things may have been different.rottenborough said: 0 -
I do. Mmm, brunost. There used to be a cheese shop down Twickenham way that sold it.Bromptonaut said:
Norway plus.williamglenn said:
Customs union it is.Sandpit said:
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.0 -
Didn't you notice the quotation marks? It was a joke, which Mr Spock reassures us is "a story with a humorous climax".TheScreamingEagles said:
English isn’t your first language is it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You "could of" wrote:MikeSmithson said:
Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.Sunil_Prasannan said:"there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."
Maggie won three on the trot!
In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.
Could of????
For those of whose first language is English it is ‘could have’0 -
Double whammy. Foxhunting killed any lingering chances of the youth voting Tory (they like animals) and the dementia tax killed the middle aged from voting tory (we want/need granny's house thanks).AndyJS said:
I thought it was the dementia tax proposal.grabcocque said:May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.
It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0rpjs said:
I do. Mmm, brunost. There used to be a cheese shop down Twickenham way that sold it.Bromptonaut said:
Norway plus.williamglenn said:
Customs union it is.Sandpit said:
Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.Bromptonaut said:
At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.0 -
Those LibDem and Labour voters preferring Cameron are probably preferring the pre-referendum environment rather than making a judgement on his and her characters. It's far too early and wrapped up with ongoing politics to be asking people to judge these leaders for posterity.0
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You have to love the front-page headline in the print version of Cambridge Evening News, which describes Fiona Onasanya as 'Ex-councillor' ...
The fact she's a current Cambridgeshire MP is seemingly irrelevant.0 -
It would be of far more interest if the list of candidates had been compiled by someone with an imagination. I for one would be fascinated to know whom the public would choose when offered, for example, a selection of either Theresa May or...bondegezou said:The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?
Danny Dyer
Gary Lineker
Princess Meghan
Susie Dent off Countdown
The winners of Love Island, to rule jointly for a year in the manner of Roman consuls
A military coup, with Parliament to be bombed to rubble by the RAF
No sense of fun these YouGov people.0
