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edited July 2018 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » YouGov finds TMay rated about the same as Major, ahead of Blair and Brown but behind Cameron

Above is from some new polling just issued by YouGov in which those surveyed were asked to rate TMay against the three preceding PMs.

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    First!
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,532
    Unlike Theresa May
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Bring back Dave.

    Dave is the best.

    I miss Dave.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Longing for simpler times when all we had to worry about was what farm animals the PM had sexually violated.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    "YouGov polled 1627 Screaming Eagles"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    grabcocque said:

    Longing for simpler times when all we had to worry about was what farm animals the PM had sexually violated.

    That story was fake news from Isabel Oakeshott.

    Those were the days.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2018
    "Met Office
    ‏Verified account @metoffice

    UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
    3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    ‘Neither of these’ did really well in that poll :lol:
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    Gordon Brown ahead with Labour voters. May doing better with Leave voters.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    All of the others are viewed through the retrospectoscope (even Cameron).

    May's long term rating is entirely dependent upon the outcome over the next 9 months. If she pulls it off she may well improve her rating. If she fumbles it she will be down there with Brown but still ahead of the new PM Corbyn.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,068
    Mr. Wiggs, maybe we could call that red shift, with potential future leaders seen with blue shift (as per the Doppler Effect)?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Oldies for Mrs May!

    May lead vs Blair: 65+: +40

    Youngsters for war criminals Blair:

    May lead vs Blair: 18-24: -20

    This group also breaks heavily for Cameron (May vs Cameron; -25) while their elders: +24

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/y44hee0b42/Internal_Results_180724_OldPM_w.pdf

    As for Balir:

    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interrèd with their bones.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    The_Apocalypse said:

    ‘Neither of these’ did really well in that poll :lol:

    Pretty pointless to put her up against Maggie.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    It seems like these results in large part reflect Labour voters choosing "neither". If you didn't allow a neither option the results would probably be quite different.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited July 2018
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?

    No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.

    Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.

    Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2018
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?

    The Tories were very tired by '97. It's probably not much more complicated than that. I won't vote for them at the next GE for much the same reason. We'll have had twelve years; that's plenty. Seventeen would be unhealthy, Corbyn notwithstanding.

    *edit* Johnny can't count. Bad Johnny.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    edited July 2018
    Blair is not just about Iraq, although that was the straw that broke the camels back.

    It’s because he’s now recognised to be a universal weasel.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,068
    Mr. M, better a tired, lacklustre government than one led by Corbyn.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The difficulty is that different Prime Ministers are suited to different times. I thought Gordon Brown was a dismal Prime Minister, but the current requirements of government are ideally suited to his talents.

    In the abstract with nothing much going on I'd probably give the order:

    Cameron
    Blair
    Major
    Brown
    May

    But as of today's date I'd probably give the order:

    Brown
    May
    Major
    Blair
    Cameron
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. M, better a tired, lacklustre government than one led by Corbyn.

    You are, of course, entitled to believe that Mr Dancer.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Those Labour splits for "Neither" when compared to Blair and Brown are extraordinary. An utterly changed party.

    (Quite what "neither" is doing as an option here, I'm not sure, but that's another question.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,068
    Mr. M, it's not just my belief. So sayeth the octo-lemur who, we ought not forget, accurately predicted the percentages of the EU referendum.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    What are people praying for?

    For the Lord to intervene in the UK judicial system to pervert the course of justice?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Tissue_Price said:

    Those Labour splits for "Neither" when compared to Blair and Brown are extraordinary. An utterly changed party.

    (Quite what "neither" is doing as an option here, I'm not sure, but that's another question.)

    Is it really that ‘changed’? New Labour was to the right of Labour members and was likely to the right of Labour voters as well. Blair started becoming an unpopular figure from 2003, Brown from 2008. I mean when you have Blair doing things like this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11346397/How-Tony-Blair-became-a-darling-of-the-Republicans.html it’s no wonder he’s not exactly massively beloved by Labour supporters. Brown is the more curious one in some respects: he’s tried to play up to being more to the left than he probably is as of late, and it’s not really working.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited July 2018
    grabcocque said:

    You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.

    12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.

    With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.

    However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.

    Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,501
    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    John Major got his Maastrict policy through parliament and the EU.

    Will May get Chequers minus through parliament and the EU?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1022497606143041536?s=21
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Sandpit said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?
    Perhaps they will be influenced in the way @grabcocque suggests.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,023
    grabcocque said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    What are people praying for?

    For the Lord to intervene in the UK judicial system to pervert the course of justice?
    He's big on speeding fines
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Sandpit said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?
    No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.

    She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.

    More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited July 2018
    David_Evershed said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?
    No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.

    She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.

    More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.
    She'll surely be recalled if sent to prison at all. [So she'll probably resign first.]
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    RobinWiggs said:

    grabcocque said:

    You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.

    12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.

    With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.

    However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.

    Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Benpointer said:


    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:

    Bring back national service, concerted push to keep China British.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,501
    Tissue_Price said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    Surely it will be for the jury to decide if she can continue to represent her constituents?
    No - it will be a sentencing decision of the judge.

    She can continue in parliament if her sentence (assuming she is found guilty) is one year or less.

    More than a year and she cannot sit in parliament.
    She'll surely be recalled if sent to prison at all. [So she'll probably resign first.]
    Indeed. Huhne resigned on the day he plead guilty, realising correctly that it was untenable for someone convicted of interfering with the law to sit in Parliament.

    This sort of case is exactly why the recall law was introduced, even though it got somewhat watered down from the original proposal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Ms Onasanya has a right to a trial so let's all wait for the verdict before requesting the market from @Shadsy ^_~
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interestingly the lower orders (C2DE- ed.) prefer May to the alternatives with the exception of Cameron, where its a tie. On the other hand their betters (ABC1 - ed.) prefer Major & Cameron to May. They're also less agin Blair (-4 vs -8).
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Benpointer said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    grabcocque said:

    You think the Tories were exhausted in 1997, just imagine how exhausted they'll be if they manage to scrape and crawl all the way to 2022.

    12 years is nothing compared to the intellectual paucity that was presented in 1997. This government is distracted by Brexit, but not yet tired of governing.

    With Brexit cleared in 2019, there is a possibility that there may be a renewed vigour as they turn their attention and thinking to more domestic issues. With that possibility I can see them constructing a programme for government that resonates against the extremes of a socialist alternative from Labour.

    However, that requires them to successfully clear Brexit and also for a new central grouping not to emerge.

    Almost any outcome is possible over the next 4 years.
    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:
    Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    The_Apocalypse said:


    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:

    Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20

    Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.

    It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1022502009906319360
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited July 2018
    grabcocque said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    BenPointer said:


    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:

    Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
    Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.

    It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.
    One of my friends would have voted Tory, but for this issue.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Tissue_Price said:

    Odd:
    https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022468649683177478

    She should keep away from all social media until the trial is over.

    This is just inappropriate.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    @grabcocque Yep, it conjures up the ‘nasty party’ image of the Tories for many people. The dementia tax probably didn’t help on that score as well.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2018
    The blockquotes melted in the heat.

    Monmouthshire hunt was mostly plebs. I suppose it might be different in Lloegr.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    grabcocque said:

    The_Apocalypse said:


    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:

    Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
    Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.

    It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.

    The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,501
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1022502009906319360

    Sounds like the EU Parliament might finally have an opposition worthy of the name.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    dixiedean said:

    grabcocque said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    BenPointer said:


    Foxhunting? Grammar schools maybe? :wink:

    Speaking of Fox hunting, I’ll never forget this:
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/876403565220200449?s=20
    Fox hunting is one of those totemic issues that reinforces all the very worst stereotypes of Tories in the minds of non-Tories. That of the braying horseback toff revelling in gratuitous cruelty towards a terrified creature.

    It's an enduring image. For the life of me of me I can't understand why it's an image Tories insist on reinforcing.
    The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.
    Sort the Blockquotes people.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1022502009906319360

    Sounds like the EU Parliament might finally have an opposition worthy of the name.
    Unlikely. The federalist EPP and S&D blocs are still projected to end up with around 2/3rds of the seats.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Coupled with the poorly spun manifesto pledge for the ivory ban being dropped.

    There were more than one or two candidates and MPs who were delighted when Victoria Borwick lost her seat.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    RobinWiggs said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?

    No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.

    Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.

    Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.
    Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    edited July 2018
    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,248
    Casino_Royale said:

    Blair is not just about Iraq, although that was the straw that broke the camels back.

    It’s because he’s now recognised to be a universal weasel.

    *weasels scurry off to consult libel lawyer....*
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
    A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
    I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.
    But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    grabcocque said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
    A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
    If you have someone who is good at campaigning,I heard lots on how good Theresa was a good campaigner,didn't see much of it at the last GE.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    grabcocque said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
    A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
    There wasn't anything wrong with Labour's manifesto, politically speaking - it delivered the left en bloc.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    I thought it was the dementia tax proposal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    grabcocque said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
    A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
    I disagree re the Labour manifesto - it was much better than I expected and very nearly led me to vote for them.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Was that before the Tory manifesto ?

    I agree with you,the day it came out I put my head in my hands.
    A bad manifesto can be papered over with a good campaign. See, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
    If you have someone who is good at campaigning,I heard lots on how good Theresa was a good campaigner,didn't see much of it at the last GE.
    And the Tory manifesto on the day of the reveal was tested on radio 5 with callers,it went down like a bucket of sick.

    I know it was a small sample but that made me take notice something was wrong.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    ralphmalph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
    I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.
    But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
    So you don’t know.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    ralphmalph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
    I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.
    But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
    https://www.getlinkgroup.com/uploadedFiles/assets-uk/the-channel-tunnel/180604-EY-Channel-Tunnel-Footprint-Report.pdf

    "The total value of exports from the EU to the UK transported through the Channel Tunnel in 2016 was €69.0bn

    This represents 21% of the total value of EU exports to the UK."
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
    I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.
    But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
    So you don’t know.
    Correct, but I have never said I did.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    edited July 2018
    ralphmalph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ralphmalph said:

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/latest/

    Eurotunnel is currently experiencing 4 hour delays. A 2 min delay means miles of queues. Also, Britain's JIT manufacturers will no doubt have sent the workforce home already.

    Get prepared now the supermarkets will have no food tomorrow, panic buy now.

    Or just keep chilling out and enjoy the weather.

    How much of our imports come through the Chunnel?

    Especially what percentage of our food imports come through there?
    I have not seen an official statistic but I have seen a figure of 30% of our trade with the EU. The issues are is this figure just the chunnel or is the figure Dover ferries as well.
    But it is 30% of say 45% of our trade so 13.5%. with the above caveats.
    So you don’t know.
    Correct, but I have never said I did.
    Your original post inferred you did re the food shortages.

    By my rough calculations around 8% of food and drink imports come via the Chunnel.

    https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Economic_footprint_of_the_Channel_Tunnel_fixed_link/$File/Channel Tunnel EN light.pdf

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    dixiedean said:



    The funding and activists to deliver leaflets that the pro hunt lobby provide may play a part.

    The only time I had a death threat was from a hunt supporter. Rather endearingly, he provided his name and address, saving tiresome investigative time. The fuzz reasoned with him gently and I heard nothing further. But it did make me feel brave and virtuous, defying the mighty assassins to do my bit for foxhood. :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    edited July 2018
    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    Liam must have been relieved :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,501
    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    You missed the caveat before that?

    In electoral terms he is also the most successful leader in his party’s history
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Sandpit said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
    BRINO. That’s something the Tory party can rally around.

    Oh wait...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,812
    Sandpit said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
    Customs union it is.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,940
    The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    You missed the caveat before that?

    In electoral terms he is also the most successful Snake-oil Merchant in his party’s history
    Corrected it for you :)

    But Maggie's achievement still stands.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,428
    edited July 2018
    Barnier seems to have just pulled the plug on Theresa May?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    GIN1138 said:

    Barnier seems to have just pulled the plug on Theresa May?

    Barnier or Barmier? :lol:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,428
    edited July 2018
    bondegezou said:

    The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?

    PB making too much of polling? :D
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,483
    AndyJS said:

    "Met Office
    ‏Verified account @metoffice

    UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
    3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"

    rottenborough said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?

    No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.

    Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.

    Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.
    Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.
    And despite all that preparation, look at how little of real substance was actually attempted let alone achieved.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1022512497511813120
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
    Customs union it is.
    Norway plus.

    I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    The last time that any party won a working majority was Blair in 2005. The last time the Tories did it was Thatcher in 1987 - 31 years ago.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.
    You "could of" wrote:

    In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    Cyclefree said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Met Office
    ‏Verified account @metoffice

    UPDATE: Heathrow has just hit 35 °C. Will this be the top temperature of the day, or is there more to come?
    3:19 PM - 26 Jul 2018"

    rottenborough said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Yes, Gentleman John probably deserved to lose in 1997, but did he really deserve the absolute political annihilation that was meted out to him? Was it the British public having one of its mad moments?

    No, sadly the Tories deserved to lose heavily. They were intellectually exhausted after 18 years continuous government. At the time (although I disagreed with it) the Labour party seemed to have the ideas.

    Perhaps it was because they had the time and space to develop them, whilst opposing a government tying itself up in internecine squabbles over Europe.

    Thank goodness no governing party would be foolish enough to repeat the same mistake.
    Mostly forgotten now, but at the time, Blair, Brown and Labour absolutely looked and sounded like a government in waiting. Years of preparation had gone into bomb-proofing policy, honing messages, laying the ground for the first months in office. The public had accepted the argument that the public realm had been left to rot and needed urgent attention. Compared to the tired, corrupted, split, Tories opposite, it was a no brainer.
    And despite all that preparation, look at how little of real substance was actually attempted let alone achieved.
    The problem was over caution.

    I doubt that will be an issue with the Corbyn-fest.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    The last time that any party won a working majority was Blair in 2005. The last time the Tories did it was Thatcher in 1987 - 31 years ago.
    Of course, of course, but there hasn't been a Labour PM since 2010. Correct?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.
    You "could of" wrote:

    In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.
    English isn’t your first language is it?

    Could of????

    For those of whose first language is English it is ‘could have’
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,812
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1022512497511813120

    If only the Brexiteers had reckoned with Paddy Power before they started, things may have been different. ;)
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Bromptonaut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
    Customs union it is.
    Norway plus.

    I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.
    I do. Mmm, brunost. There used to be a cheese shop down Twickenham way that sold it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "there are no matches in modern time for his three successive general election victories."

    Maggie won three on the trot!

    Please read what I wrote before attacking it. You've taken half a sentence with the qualification.
    You "could of" wrote:

    In electoral terms he is also the most successful Labour leader in history, and there are no matches in modern time for the three successive general election victories for his Party.
    English isn’t your first language is it?

    Could of????

    For those of whose first language is English it is ‘could have’
    Didn't you notice the quotation marks? It was a joke, which Mr Spock reassures us is "a story with a humorous climax".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    AndyJS said:

    grabcocque said:

    May’s proposal to reintroduce fox hunting with a free vote was the single most viral topic of the 2017 election.

    It's the moment everything started to go horribly wrong.

    I thought it was the dementia tax proposal.
    Double whammy. Foxhunting killed any lingering chances of the youth voting Tory (they like animals) and the dementia tax killed the middle aged from voting tory (we want/need granny's house thanks).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1022518891799609345
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,346
    rpjs said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1022510738106146816?s=21

    Good news, that was the silliest and most unworkable bit of the Chequers proposal.

    At least Barnier is talking rather than clock-watching, let’s work out what the deal looks like and get on with it.
    Customs union it is.
    Norway plus.

    I don’t recommend the brown cheese though.
    I do. Mmm, brunost. There used to be a cheese shop down Twickenham way that sold it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,286
    Those LibDem and Labour voters preferring Cameron are probably preferring the pre-referendum environment rather than making a judgement on his and her characters. It's far too early and wrapped up with ongoing politics to be asking people to judge these leaders for posterity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,902
    You have to love the front-page headline in the print version of Cambridge Evening News, which describes Fiona Onasanya as 'Ex-councillor' ...

    The fact she's a current Cambridgeshire MP is seemingly irrelevant.
  • Acorn_AntiquesAcorn_Antiques Posts: 196
    bondegezou said:

    The differences between Major, Brown and Blair, and maybe Cameron too, are all margin of error stuff. Are we making too much of this?

    It would be of far more interest if the list of candidates had been compiled by someone with an imagination. I for one would be fascinated to know whom the public would choose when offered, for example, a selection of either Theresa May or...

    Danny Dyer
    Gary Lineker
    Princess Meghan
    Susie Dent off Countdown
    The winners of Love Island, to rule jointly for a year in the manner of Roman consuls
    A military coup, with Parliament to be bombed to rubble by the RAF

    No sense of fun these YouGov people.
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