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If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
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At least she is still prime minister.AndyJS said:
Reminds me of the London woman who bet £100k on Remain winning the EU referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:Dad-of-two is so confident England will win the World Cup he's had THIS tattoo...
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One might reasonably observe, after endless stuff from the Brexiteers about having been 'beaten by a bus', that they appear to have been seen off by one of the weakest Prime Ministers in living memory...Tykejohnno said:
Love it how most of the remain camp who have slaughtered May for months now think she's wonderful.Scott_P said:
Yup.Stark_Dawning said:The malcontents are melting away. Theresa reigns supreme!
Without cabinet cover and the intellectual heavyweights of (checks notes) Davis and Johnson, the Ultras are a busted flush.
It's a delicious watch.0 -
She's just made more enemies on the backbenches, this is where she will be seen off.Nigelb said:
One might reasonably observe, after endless stuff from the Brexiteers about having been 'beaten by a bus', that they appear to have been seen off by one of the weakest Prime Ministers in living memory...Tykejohnno said:
Love it how most of the remain camp who have slaughtered May for months now think she's wonderful.Scott_P said:
Yup.Stark_Dawning said:The malcontents are melting away. Theresa reigns supreme!
Without cabinet cover and the intellectual heavyweights of (checks notes) Davis and Johnson, the Ultras are a busted flush.
It's a delicious watch.0 -
In jail in Iran for allegedly breaching Iranian law in Iran. We may have serious reservations about the fairness of the process, the quality of the evidence against her and the savagery of the sentences for things that most countries would not even regard as a crime but other than making representations it is not clear what we can do about it.Sandpit said:
This is the Iranian woman in jail in Iran. Short of some kind words from our ambassador in Tehran we really can’t do much else.Scott_P said:ttps://twitter.com/elashton/status/1016695573590704128
We have split with our closest ally over Iran, resisted further sanctions and sought to uphold the Nuclear agreement that Trump wants to walk away from. If none of that is moving what seems to be a politically driven process I fear that we are out of moves.0 -
You might have noticed I've said May's been doing a brilliant job of testing Brexit to destruction and giving the Brexiteers enough rope to hand themselves from the beginning. It seems to have been largely correct.Tykejohnno said:
Love it how most of the remain camp who have slaughtered May for months now think she's wonderful.Scott_P said:
Yup.Stark_Dawning said:The malcontents are melting away. Theresa reigns supreme!
Without cabinet cover and the intellectual heavyweights of (checks notes) Davis and Johnson, the Ultras are a busted flush.
It's a delicious watch.0 -
That bloody useless remain May government ;-)glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
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Quite likely.Tykejohnno said:
She's just made more enemies on the backbenches, this is where she will be seen off.Nigelb said:
One might reasonably observe, after endless stuff from the Brexiteers about having been 'beaten by a bus', that they appear to have been seen off by one of the weakest Prime Ministers in living memory...Tykejohnno said:
Love it how most of the remain camp who have slaughtered May for months now think she's wonderful.Scott_P said:
Yup.Stark_Dawning said:The malcontents are melting away. Theresa reigns supreme!
Without cabinet cover and the intellectual heavyweights of (checks notes) Davis and Johnson, the Ultras are a busted flush.
It's a delicious watch.
But before she signs a deal with Barnier ?0 -
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.0 -
Yes, that's why Corbyn is presently PM, isn't it? Oh, wait....midwinter said:
More pertinently he won 30 more than Ed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Also lucky that Corbyn won only 4 more seats than Gordon did in 2010, isn't it?midwinter said:
Dave 2017 330 seats.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Dave 2015 36.9%midwinter said:
She lost seats to Corbyn. And the idea that she was responsible for the success in Scotland is risible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Dave 2015 votes 11,334,226TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave won a majority when UKIP polled nearly 13%.GIN1138 said:
Even after 2017 there seems to be so much complacency about Corbyn.currystar said:
That will not happen with Corbyn as Labour Leader and Cable as Lib Dem leader. A Blair type figure needs to emerge for that to happenGIN1138 said:
The next election is probably now lost for the Tories whoever is leading them. The only question is how bad the defeat will be.TGOHF said:
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She'll win a VONC but this idea she could carry on with a majority of 1 is for the birds.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So how will she be replaced before March 2019 when she will win any VNOC and then that keeps her in place for at least a further yearGIN1138 said:AlastairMeeks said:So, brains trust - as of today, is the consensus that Theresa May will be replaced in office before or after Brexit?
Before.
The Brexiteers do not have the numbers which has been generally agreed within the media today
If her majority comes in under 100 her position will be untenable, IMO.
Suffice to say is they are stupid enough to allow Theresa May to face the electorate a second time they will deserve the oblivion that will surely face them.
All the Corbyn scares were barely enough in 2017 but the Tories will be vastly more unpopular with their voters than they were in 2017 whenever they dare front up to face the electorate.
And that's without the probable added complication of a Farage comeback. Things are going to get very, very serious for the Conservatives.
Mrs May didn't win a majority when UKIP polled less than 2%.
A good Tory leader knows how to win a majority with UKIP polling highly.
May 2017 votes 13,636,684
Dave 2015 Scottish seats 1
May 2017 Scottish seats 13
May 2017 42.4%
May 2017 317
Lucky Ruth won those extra seats in Scotland wasn't it0 -
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TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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It's quite simple, May's MO has been to refuse to make a decision and hence in order to force her to do so, each side had to try to shout the loudest. Intra-cabinet that worked and hence the indulgence of the Leavers as they are of course all loudmouthed gobshites.Tykejohnno said:
That bloody useless remain May government ;-)glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Thing is, the looming deadline, together with the realisation that the structure and harmony of the United Kingdom was at stake ended up being the loudest voice of all.0 -
If you think this is good leadership you know nothing about how to lead. It's not a 'good move' because this will all come back to bite her so hard on the arse she won't be able to sit for a year.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1016696576977391616
A good move would have been having the balls successfully to steer the country to that for which it voted, not fidgeting and dithering and then acting as a Maybot.0 -
probably - FOM, Goods and Services Common Rule Book, Preferential rights to EU citizens, Continuing payments to EU, BINONigelb said:
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.0 -
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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Indeed.Tykejohnno said:
She's just made more enemies on the backbenches, this is where she will be seen off.Nigelb said:
One might reasonably observe, after endless stuff from the Brexiteers about having been 'beaten by a bus', that they appear to have been seen off by one of the weakest Prime Ministers in living memory...Tykejohnno said:
Love it how most of the remain camp who have slaughtered May for months now think she's wonderful.Scott_P said:
Yup.Stark_Dawning said:The malcontents are melting away. Theresa reigns supreme!
Without cabinet cover and the intellectual heavyweights of (checks notes) Davis and Johnson, the Ultras are a busted flush.
It's a delicious watch.
Hilarious that remainers are in a mood to crow when May's stock has slumped. It's not a question of whether she is toppled, but when.0 -
She has blocked them at every turn, and probably cocked up GE 2017 on purpose as wellrpjs said:
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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That depends. When it breaks, she will own it. Personally. She also gives the leavers a way out - she will be seen to have forced them out and stopped them from adopting their harder position - so they will be able to say that it's not THEIR Brexit. I suspect most Leave voters will accept that view.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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And did it vote for a hard border in Ireland or friction in goods trade? If not, anything beyond the basic parameters of May’s deal is not what people voted for.Handymandy1980 said:
If you think this is good leadership you know nothing about how to lead. It's not a 'good move' because this will all come back to bite her so hard on the arse she won't be able to sit for a year.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1016696576977391616
A good move would have been having the balls successfully to steer the country to that for which it voted, not fidgeting and dithering and then acting as a Maybot.0 -
She should never have agreed to NI backstop, or offered 39 billion without conditions, and what happened to no deal is better than a bad deal, she is the saboteurkjohnw said:
She has blocked them at every turn, and probably cocked up GE 2017 on purpose as wellrpjs said:
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1016696576977391616
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She gives in on freedom of movement to the EU then she and the remain Tory government can fcuk right off.Nigelb said:
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.
The message will hit home in Midlands/north parts of the country where this matters that your vote has been betrayed.0 -
Remain now own the chequers plan, they have kicked out leave, the blame will fall rightly on TMExiledInScotland said:
That depends. When it breaks, she will own it. Personally. She also gives the leavers a way out - she will be seen to have forced them out and stopped them from adopting their harder position - so they will be able to say that it's not THEIR Brexit. I suspect most Leave voters will accept that view.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1016696576977391616
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Absolutely. If she had won a large majority last year we would be heading towards a hard Brexit.rpjs said:
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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LOL.kjohnw said:
She should never have agreed to NI backstop, or offered 39 billion without conditions, and what happened to no deal is better than a bad deal, she is the saboteurkjohnw said:
She has blocked them at every turn, and probably cocked up GE 2017 on purpose as wellrpjs said:
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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I am reminded of the quote...be nice to people on the way up, as you will meet them on the way down.
The stuff like the taxi comments, they have a nasty habit of biting one on the arse.0 -
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I doubt it would have changed her fundamental calculations much. She'd still have manoeuvred the hard Brexiteers into a game of chicken where they would have got run over by the EU and by reality.TOPPING said:
Absolutely. If she had won a large majority last year we would be heading towards a hard Brexit.rpjs said:
Or having given the Brexiteers two years to get their act together, has had enough of their incompetence and is putting some grown-ups in charge at last.kjohnw said:
TM has proved to be a remainer in leave clothing. I'm beginning to think her plan was to sabotage brexit all along, it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron had asked her to remain neutral and out of site during the referendum campaign, just incase leave won, as a back up plan to prevent us ever truly leaving the EU. Brexit never stood a chance with a remainer at the helm.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!0
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Has she not said that she won't do so ?Tykejohnno said:
She gives in on freedom of movement to the EU then she and the remain Tory government can fcuk right off....Nigelb said:
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.0 -
SHHHHHHHHHHHH.Nigelb said:
Has she not said that she won't do so ?Tykejohnno said:
She gives in on freedom of movement to the EU then she and the remain Tory government can fcuk right off....Nigelb said:
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.
Don't tell the Leavers. They think she has.0 -
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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As they've now gone, wouldn't the 99p Store be more apt for Davis and Boris?FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Poundworld just went bust.Carolus_Rex said:
As they've now gone, wouldn't the 99p Store be more apt for Davis and Boris?FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Gordon Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century, by a country mile. That is how much shit we are in.FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Huh?FrancisUrquhart said:
Poundworld just went bust.Carolus_Rex said:
As they've now gone, wouldn't the 99p Store be more apt for Davis and Boris?FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
May = Poundland
Davis & boris = PoundWorld
*Googles*
Crikey.0 -
To listen to our more deluded Leaver posters, you would have thought that Theresa May had indulged in a night of the long knives, rather than been the recent subject of a concerted set of resignations.0
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The only one to lose an election?Ishmael_Z said:
Gordon Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century, by a country mile. That is how much shit we are in.FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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A man who thinks the President can't be convicted of any crimes.AndyJS said:"Brett Kavanaugh Is Trump’s Pick for Supreme Court"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court.html0 -
I’m not sure WilliamGlenn is a “PB Brexiteer” myself...rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Very silly response to ally themselves with a group of 50 or so MPs who have no ability at all to deliver any kind of Brexit. I'd have hoped Bradley might have learnt from his JC 'libel' experience to be more measured.Scott_P said:0 -
She has said lots of things she won't do - and then done them! Her red lines aren't every fixed.Nigelb said:
Has she not said that she won't do so ?Tykejohnno said:
She gives in on freedom of movement to the EU then she and the remain Tory government can fcuk right off....Nigelb said:
'80% agreed', according to Barnier, about an hour ago.glw said:
If the commission says no, which given what they have said to date seems probable, what is May's plan? I can't see how she can survive her "agreement" being rejected.Tykejohnno said:So we can officially blame remain from now on for things going wrong ,thanks scott for that.
Though there is the question of what the 20% might mean.0 -
You have bought in toTSE's fallacy of thinking that how you get the gig is what matters, not what you actually do once you've got it.CarlottaVance said:
The only one to lose an election?Ishmael_Z said:
Gordon Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century, by a country mile. That is how much shit we are in.FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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I'm guessing this is part of the 'regular resignations' of 'top' Tory MPs in the government to wear May down. Good to see they are continuing with the big guns
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it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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I suppose the Brexiteers on TwatsApp think that a steady drip drip of resignations for the last two weeks of the summer session will make May change her mind.
They need to recall Ken's view of May.0 -
Without putting too fine a point on it, Theresa May is 62 in October and suffers from Type 1 diabetes. I dare say there won't be a "way down" for her as this will be her last job in politics before retirement. This is pure speculation on my part although I suspect the odds are with my forecast being proved right.FrancisUrquhart said:I am reminded of the quote...be nice to people on the way up, as you will meet them on the way down.
The stuff like the taxi comments, they have a nasty habit of biting one on the arse.0 -
FWIW, Kantar have Con 40%, Lab 38%, Lib Dem 9%, polling from 5th to 9th July.0 -
I think she has the strategy laid out perfectly. She's not just aiming to survive, but to expunge the hard Brexit wing from the party altogether.rottenborough said:I suppose the Brexiteers on TwatsApp think that a steady drip drip of resignations for the last two weeks of the summer session will make May change her mind.
They need to recall Ken's view of May.0 -
She is the most incompetent PM in history who has failed in everything she set out to achieve while allowing the real Machiavellians (the EU Commission/Barnier and UK Civil Service/Sir Humphrey/Robbins) to achieve what they want.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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Lewes is LibDem target #10 and a reasonably likely gain. Caulfield pinning her flag to a hard Brexit seems... brave?0
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I don't think the Manx missile has it anymore.0
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According to Max Hastings, his advice to Boris Johnson was "hold on to your willy." He didn't follow it.SouthamObserver said:
Whoever would believe that Boris Johnson is great friends with a sexual predator who hangs out with white supremacists?TheScreamingEagles said:This should help Mrs May.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
And he said it would be up to the British people whether or not Mrs May remains in power.
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This always strikes me as an odd meme.Alanbrooke said:
it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.0 -
A pair of complete nonentities, of whom no-one has ever heard, quietly depart.Scott_P said:0 -
have to differ with you on this one, it's a re-run of China though admittedly at a slower pace. Any forward projection I have seen says any European country will be lucky to be in the worlds top 10 economies by 2050.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
Europe is increasingly irrelevant
And with size and growth comes the will to do things their own way. You could argue the Asian summits will soon speak for more people and more wealth than the G70 -
What's the oops?Scott_P said:
May at Chequers flip flopped on control so why should she still be supported?0 -
As Nick Berry forecast way back in 1986, it seems that Every Loser Wins in the postmodern political era.CarlottaVance said:
The only one to lose an election?Ishmael_Z said:
Gordon Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century, by a country mile. That is how much shit we are in.FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Not the only one to fail to win an election though.CarlottaVance said:
The only one to lose an election?Ishmael_Z said:
Gordon Brown is so far the best PM of the 21st century, by a country mile. That is how much shit we are in.FrancisUrquhart said:
TSE called her a poundshop gordon brown.rpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
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Hard to do unless Mogg, Cash, Wiggin, Davies, Chope, Paterson, Fox et al can all be deselected!williamglenn said:
I think she has the strategy laid out perfectly. She's not just aiming to survive, but to expunge the hard Brexit wing from the party altogether.rottenborough said:I suppose the Brexiteers on TwatsApp think that a steady drip drip of resignations for the last two weeks of the summer session will make May change her mind.
They need to recall Ken's view of May.0 -
You can smell the desperation from here. I thought Brexit was meant to be great? Everyone seems to be running from it.kjohnw said:
Remain now own the chequers plan, they have kicked out leave, the blame will fall rightly on TMExiledInScotland said:
That depends. When it breaks, she will own it. Personally. She also gives the leavers a way out - she will be seen to have forced them out and stopped them from adopting their harder position - so they will be able to say that it's not THEIR Brexit. I suspect most Leave voters will accept that view.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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In which case, apologies for my lack of original thought. I'm glad, though, that others have recognised what a dumb meme it is!Scott_P said:
This point has been made repeatedly.Anazina said:It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.
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nobody from Leave is complaining about the bus, it's remainers who despair about it most and constantly revel in their own stupidityAnazina said:
This always strikes me as an odd meme.Alanbrooke said:
it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.
I mean you were beaten by Nigel Farage and David Davis, that's at a level where some of you couldn't spell EU let alone explain it.0 -
Maria Caulfield is the Vice-Chair of the Irish in Britain Parliamentary group and she's resigned over the Irish backstop.0
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A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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https://twitter.com/DFosterEvans/status/1016715048075563008williamglenn said:Maria Caulfield is the Vice-Chair of the Irish in Britain Parliamentary group and she's resigned over the Irish backstop.
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Oh dear - thick as a plank.Scott_P said:0 -
She's of Irish parentage.williamglenn said:Maria Caulfield is the Vice-Chair of the Irish in Britain Parliamentary group and she's resigned over the Irish backstop.
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If she goes for a second referendum which is won in a landslide by Remain, the hardcore sovereignists will either have to fall in line or leave.rural_voter said:
Hard to do unless Mogg, Cash, Wiggin, Davies, Chope, Paterson, Fox et al can all be deselected!williamglenn said:
I think she has the strategy laid out perfectly. She's not just aiming to survive, but to expunge the hard Brexit wing from the party altogether.rottenborough said:I suppose the Brexiteers on TwatsApp think that a steady drip drip of resignations for the last two weeks of the summer session will make May change her mind.
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I didn't bring up the bus – you did. I merely pointed out that it was Leavers who were foolish enough to believe it, not Remainers. It really is quite simple to understand.Alanbrooke said:
nobody from Leave is complaining about the bus, it's remainers who despair about it most and constantly revel in their own stupidityAnazina said:
This always strikes me as an odd meme.Alanbrooke said:
it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.
I mean you were beaten by Nigel Farage and David Davis, that's at a level where some of you couldn't spell EU let alone explain it.-1 -
Who has kicked out whom? Leavers cried off, nobody kicked them out. They resigned. The clue is in the fact that they tabled resignation letters of their own volition. Nobody sacked them.kjohnw said:
Remain now own the chequers plan, they have kicked out leave, the blame will fall rightly on TMExiledInScotland said:
That depends. When it breaks, she will own it. Personally. She also gives the leavers a way out - she will be seen to have forced them out and stopped them from adopting their harder position - so they will be able to say that it's not THEIR Brexit. I suspect most Leave voters will accept that view.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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One assumes that Stewart Jackson was not allowed to stay in position because he was unable to offer the necessary assurances of loyalty.0
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Yes it seems a bit unwise to remove a Brexiter from a Brexit-related dept. Let them shovel the Brex-shit ... but do take care not to get it on the Remainers.Freggles said:
You can smell the desperation from here. I thought Brexit was meant to be great? Everyone seems to be running from it.kjohnw said:
Remain now own the chequers plan, they have kicked out leave, the blame will fall rightly on TMExiledInScotland said:
That depends. When it breaks, she will own it. Personally. She also gives the leavers a way out - she will be seen to have forced them out and stopped them from adopting their harder position - so they will be able to say that it's not THEIR Brexit. I suspect most Leave voters will accept that view.Scott_P said:Another good move by May
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If country A has 60m people and a GDP $2.4 trn, and country B has a population of 1.2 bn, and a GDP of $2.5 trn, which do you think is the more successful?Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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Absolutely, Boris will do whatever he needs to get the job he was. To be Tory candidate for Mayor and win the London Mayoralty that obviously meant appealing to a lot of wealthy liberals.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm wondering if Boris will attempt to reinvent himself as the British Trump. His appeal to the metropolitan liberal constituency has gone for ever. To salvage his career maybe becoming a hard-right easy-sell populist is an option.Anorak said:
I think being slagged off by Trump should be embraced as an honour, not a humiliation. This helps Tessie more than the Blond Blagger.TheScreamingEagles said:This should help Mrs May.
Donald Trump today heaped praise on Cabinet quitter Boris Johnson as he said the UK was in political “turmoil”.
In a humiliating intervention for Theresa May, the US President said the former Foreign Secretary - who quit the Government with a blast at her Brexit plans - was “a great friend of mine”.
And he said it would be up to the British people whether or not Mrs May remains in power.https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/96726/watch-donald-trump-heaps
To become Tory leader and UK PM though it is Brexit backing lower middle and skilled working class voters in the provinces he needs to appeal to, a process he started by joining the Leave campaign in the EU referendum.
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Or any contribution of any measurable value?AlastairMeeks said:One assumes that Stewart Jackson was not allowed to stay in position because he was unable to offer the necessary assurances of loyalty.
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Anazina said:
A pair of complete nonentities, of whom no-one has ever heard, quietly depart.Scott_P said:Anazina said:
A pair of complete nonentities, of whom no-one has ever heard, quietly depart.Scott_P said:
Ben Bradley gained Labour Mansfield on a poor night for the Tories in 2017. Caulfield ousted Norman Baker in Lewes and is a grounded former nurse quite popular in her constituency. I trust you are a non Tory otherwise your factionalism doesn't make good readingAnazina said:
A pair of complete nonentities, of whom no-one has ever heard, quietly depart.Scott_P said:0 -
I would be delighted if the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK so long as it is because of the Congo developing to our standards rather than the other way around.Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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I have no desire to wish perpetual poverty on the rest of the world to artificially inflate us up the rankings. Do you?0 -
No it was correct. Most people would rather live in Luxembourg, Switzerland or Singapore than India or China or Brazil even though the latter has a larger gdp as the former has far higher GDP per capita and a higher standard of living.Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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The fact India is increasing the GDP for its vast population of over a billion is to be welcomed as it reduces the poverty there not bemoaned. The oddity us why France with a population of 60 million was ever ahead of India with a population almost 20 times larger0 -
Yes I know, but this is not a league of GDP per capita (which is an entirely separate scale). The fact that India has surpassed France remains important and interesting despite the large differential in their population.Sean_F said:
If country A has 60m people and a GDP $2.4 trn, and country B has a population of 1.2 bn, and a GDP of $2.5 trn, which do you think is the more successful?Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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Even if the Congo developed to the level of say, Nigeria, that would be a huge blessing for its population.Philip_Thompson said:
I would be delighted if the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK so long as it is because of the Congo developing to our standards rather than the other way around.Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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I have no desire to wish perpetual poverty on the rest of the world to artificially inflate us up the rankings. Do you?0 -
Oh crikey. The fact that France has been surpassed by India is still important. But you know what, have it. I can't be bothered to argue with you after the fiasco of the west London Tories. Life is just way, way, way too short.HYUFD said:
No it was correct. Most people would rather live in Luxembourg, Switzerland or Singapore than India or China or Brazil even though the latter has a larger gdp as the former has far higher GDP per capita and a higher standard of livingAnazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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Absolutely.Sean_F said:
Even if the Congo developed to the level of say, Nigeria, that would be a huge blessing for its population.Philip_Thompson said:
I would be delighted if the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK so long as it is because of the Congo developing to our standards rather than the other way around.Anazina said:
A bizarre post. By such token, sliding down the global GDP league is just fine, provided those who have surpassed you have greater populations. I look forward to your sanguinity when the Democratic Republic of Congo overtakes the UK.Sean_F said:
India's population is about 20 times the size of France's so it doesn't mean very much.Alanbrooke said:
sign of the times
India supplants France as worlds 6th largest economy. We're next to drop.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2018/07/10/29006-20180710ARTFIG00210-pib-la-france-recule-a-la-7eme-place-de-l-economie-mondiale-derriere-l-inde.php
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I have no desire to wish perpetual poverty on the rest of the world to artificially inflate us up the rankings. Do you?0 -
I voted Leave and didnt believe a single word of the bus. I also didn't believe Osborne's impending doom scenario.Anazina said:
I didn't bring up the bus – you did. I merely pointed out that it was Leavers who were foolish enough to believe it, not Remainers. It really is quite simple to understand.Alanbrooke said:
nobody from Leave is complaining about the bus, it's remainers who despair about it most and constantly revel in their own stupidityAnazina said:
This always strikes me as an odd meme.Alanbrooke said:
it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.
I mean you were beaten by Nigel Farage and David Davis, that's at a level where some of you couldn't spell EU let alone explain it.
The bus is simply indicative of sour grape losers who have blamed the inadequacies of their own campaign intermittently on
- everyones a racist
- Vladimir Putin
- Leave cheated
- the bus
- rain in London
they just cant accept the ran a crap campaign selling a defective product to an electorate they didn't understand.
run the campaign again and you'll still lose since you have learned nothing from the experience.
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Norm said:
Ben Bradley gained Labour Mansfield on a poor night for the Tories in 2017. Caulfield ousted Norman Baker in Lewes and is a grounded former nurse quite popular in her constituency. I trust you are a non Tory otherwise your factionalism doesn't make good readingAnazina said:
A pair of complete nonentities, of whom no-one has ever heard, quietly depart.Scott_P said:
Don't read it then. It's entirely voluntary.0 -
Unlike you, I assume that the voters have learnt something from the experience of the last two years. Despite the massive chip on your shoulder, there's an implicit contempt for ordinary people that runs through many of your posts.Alanbrooke said:
I voted Leave and didnt believe a single word of the bus. I also didn't believe Osborne's impending doom scenario.Anazina said:
I didn't bring up the bus – you did. I merely pointed out that it was Leavers who were foolish enough to believe it, not Remainers. It really is quite simple to understand.Alanbrooke said:
nobody from Leave is complaining about the bus, it's remainers who despair about it most and constantly revel in their own stupidityAnazina said:
This always strikes me as an odd meme.Alanbrooke said:
it's the mirror image of how Remainers are all super smart with whizzo degrees but were outwitted by a busrpjs said:I love how for PB Brexiteers TMay is simultaneously the most incompetent Prime Minister in history and a machiavellian operator beyond compare!
It was the Leavers who were outwitted by the bus.
They were foolish enough to believe it.
I mean you were beaten by Nigel Farage and David Davis, that's at a level where some of you couldn't spell EU let alone explain it.
The bus is simply indicative of sour grape losers who have blamed the inadequacies of their own campaign intermittently on
- everyones a racist
- Vladimir Putin
- Leave cheated
- the bus
- rain in London
they just cant accept the ran a crap campaign selling a defective product to an electorate they didn't understand.
run the campaign again and you'll still lose since you have learned nothing from the experience.0
