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Has there been any news of Charlie Faulkner?Nigelb said:
A resignation in defence of the principle of maintaining self-referential definitions.... novel.TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling's PPS has resigned
https://twitter.com/CGreenUK/status/1016388724974915584
(edit) Grayling’s PPS ... of course.0 -
I find the “got to stick with May now or it will wreck the negotiation and we will go over cliff” line from those trying to shore her up as hysterical and desperate in equal measure. Mays getting sacked in the morning not because of Brexit, but because she’s crap, and it’s her being crap for so long that has created this mess. Mays baggage is not just the fudge, it’s the cred murdering u turns. Whatever the faction or personality, can she make any promise in her office again to anyone and they believe her?Pulpstar said:
Well no wonder the 1922 went so well if 80 odd of the most likely plotters were elsewhere.MarqueeMark said:80-odd Tory MPs at an ERG meeting at the same time as the 1922 meeting - Channel 4
Whether it’s Javid or one of many others, it’s fresh face, fresh energy, fresh ideas, fresh voice different personality, honeymoon period at home and abroad, most importantly slates wiped clean, its the only way forward from this situation, and its ideal antidote to such a situation. It is that what will clearly win the confidence vote, not an individual losing it. So once it goes to a secret ballot don’t try counting this factions vote, or guess what the other faction may do, or think it’s only 48 of them, just 80 odd, whatever the faction or individual I have just told you what the vast amount of them will vote for.0 -
Mr Freggles,
"Not this again.
Most Labour voters voted Remain. What everyone else in their constituency did makes no difference."
Not this again. My constituency in NW England. Referendum 58% Leave. GE 2OI7 Labour 26,000 Cons 6,000, Ukip 6,000, Others bits and bobs. labour majority 20,000
Who voted Leave?
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It is a rather important omission from the earlier reports.Pulpstar said:
Well no wonder the 1922 went so well if 80 odd of the most likely plotters were elsewhere.MarqueeMark said:80-odd Tory MPs at an ERG meeting at the same time as the 1922 meeting - Channel 4
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To be honest if you're an MP at the 1922 and everyone starts banging on the desks and welcoming the PM as if she's the world's biggest conquering hero you're hardly going to put your neck out there and then and mention you might VoNC her.0
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Excellent thread from Mr. Meeks. First time I've ever said that! So much depends now , in my view, on the EU response to T. May's plan. They really do have the power to destroy the government. However, lord only knows how far the collateral damage could spread - Ireland for starters.0
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I imagine a number of them were whips’ narks.Pulpstar said:
Well no wonder the 1922 went so well if 80 odd of the most likely plotters were elsewhere.MarqueeMark said:80-odd Tory MPs at an ERG meeting at the same time as the 1922 meeting - Channel 4
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As I said some EU apparatchik has basically said on Sky news - we aint changing anything for you - if you want to change your mind have another vote.
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Where is that - Makerfield ?CD13 said:Mr Freggles,
"Not this again.
Most Labour voters voted Remain. What everyone else in their constituency did makes no difference."
Not this again. My constituency in NW England. Referendum 58% Leave. GE 2OI7 Labour 26,000 Cons 6,000, Ukip 6,000, Others bits and bobs. labour majority 20,000
Who voted Leave?0 -
Especially so when it appears that all those in favour of the PM went to the ‘22 and all those opposed to her went to the ERG.Pulpstar said:To be honest if you're an MP at the 1922 and everyone starts banging on the desks and welcoming the PM as if she's the world's biggest conquering hero you're hardly going to put your neck out there and then and mention you might VoNC her.
Given the ERG number around 80, the threshold of 48 for a challenge is a pretty low bar. If someone’s not co-ordinating letters to Mr Brady carefully it could be reached by accident.0 -
Sir Humphrey said Alexander Jameson was a very nice chap.AlastairMeeks said:
His goal was to stop Jameson becoming Governor of the Bank of England.
I think this comes under the same heading.0 -
They arguably face two major problems which combine to keep them from taking flight. Firstly they were wiped out so badly in 2015 that they are not in a position to claim they are on the verge of a realignment or breakthrough - Lewisham being a case in point. In too many seats they're just not close enough to put the wind up the big two parties and successfully attract moderate voters away from choosing the one they think is the best of a bad bunch. Secondly, the low hanging fruit for a third party are anti-establishment voters, because they will actually vote for you regardless. The Lib Dems used to target these on the activist left thanks to Iraq and their poses on tuition fees etc. - but Corbyn's attracting that crowd, at least until he inevitably gets found out as a fraud who can no more put glitter on the Brexit turd than Boris or Theresa.Stereotomy said:
I think I could. It would involve not having betrayed a headline commitment which was hugely important to many of their voters, not having undercut their function as a tactical vote by making it clear they'd swallow whatever the largest party wanted to feed them for a turn in government, not having a leader who seems incapable of getting any press coverage at all, and not being economic centrists in an era of increased polarisation.Chameleon said:The really remarkable thing is how little support the LDs have gained, you couldn't design a better situations for them to prosper than this.
The Lib Dems won't get anywhere though until they have a genuinely post-coalition leader who can remake the party in a new image, and capitalise on the other parties' failures. Then they can start to work to solve those problems.0 -
Theresa, you only got "cabinet agreement" on Friday by threatening them with humiliation. That's not real " agreement" - That's people keeping up appearances until they can get home without having to do the walk of shame down the Chequers drive....williamglenn said:0 -
I can honestly say I have never been more ashamed of our Country.Toms said:"My grandma kept the house immaculate, with display cabinets filled with charming if not particularly valuable china..."
I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Delft rack".
Personal comment: my terrace house escaped the ravages,especially popular in the 1960s, of ripping out fireplaces, walls, and other original fixtures: it still has its fitted Delft rack.
"Leavers have been very clear about what they don’t want and completely befuddled about what they might actually want..."
Another personal comment:
Many of the brexitiers I have known "wanted their country back".
But I can't see that they ever lost it.
Now they're b***ering it up
On the day Boris Johnson was supposed to be hosting a West Balkans Summit arranged by himself he failed to turn up at all leaving the event unhosted and creating fury among the Foreign Ministers present. He was so into himself he was holed up in his Office plotting and scheming to protect his career at the expense of our Country's reputation.
He had previously told Airbus to FO and went awol on the Heathrow vote to save his career which has ended a few days later.
I am unable to identify with him or any of the hard Brexiteers and I will fight to see our party and Country's image restored as business friendly and a Country respected on the World stage.
Tonight thanks to these zealots and the likes of the obnoxious Farage our Country is being laughed at and this at the time our wonderful football team is, wait for it, in the semi finals of the World Cup.
I hope that TM survives but if she doesn't I hope we can have a leader that holds high business and relationships around the World, including the EU, and goes someway along the road to restore our National pride and image
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Ooh, so she might well be safe this week then.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
He’ll just undermine her in every way he can, but keep his hands clean for the moment yet to come.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
NOT voting against isn't the same as voting for.AlastairMeeks said:
IF a third of the Parliamentary Party don't support May in a VoNC - what then ? She can continue but as Major found in 1995 all authority has gone.
As in 1990 it's so much easier for the "plotters" if May walks of her own volition.0 -
Does he mean a vote of no confidence in the Commons or as leader in a secret ballot?AlastairMeeks said:
He apparently said 'I will vote against the Brexit deal on a Monday and vote for confidence in the PM on Tuesday'0 -
May clearly isn't going via VoNC, but surely she needs to have a majority in parliament prepared to vote for her version of Brexit for her position to be tenable?0
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Boris Johnson signs 'Rt Hon.'
Never has the old joke, 'rarely right and never honourable,' seemed more apt.
Not even though that joke was invented by Jeffrey Archer's constituents.0 -
Mr Pulpstar,
"Where is that - Makerfield ?"
Not far away. St Helens South.0 -
Seems to be taking a while to appoint a foreign secretary?0
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Unless her plan is to negotiate a deal and then call a referendum.William_H said:May clearly isn't going via VoNC, but surely she needs to have a majority in parliament prepared to vote for her version of Brexit for her position to be tenable?
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William Hague is playing hard to get perhaps?GIN1138 said:Seems to be taking a while to appoint a foreign secretary?
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There are behind the scenes moves to involve cross party consensus which even the SNP are party to. This has a long way to go with many twists and turns but if she gets an agreement I cannot see the HOC as a whole rejecting it as it would provoke fury among the electorate, including Brenda, who just want it doneWilliam_H said:May clearly isn't going via VoNC, but surely she needs to have a majority in parliament prepared to vote for her version of Brexit for her position to be tenable?
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Indeed. What the bloody hell is the point of him saying such a thing? I guess he really is a twerp.Jonathan said:
He’ll just undermine her in every way he can, but keep his hands clean for the moment yet to come.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Panorama have a special on the Donald, new allegations of being a sex pest.0
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If that was what kept them from resigning then and there, then I have less respect for them not more. Better to take that humiliation, which would be more on her than them, than pretend to agree only to reverse position later. Pathetic.GIN1138 said:
Theresa, you only got "cabinet agreement" on Friday by threatening them with humiliation. That's not real " agreement" - That's people keeping up appearances until they can get home without having to do the walk of shame down the Chequers drive....williamglenn said:0 -
They need to appoint Ken Clarke. Or at least spoof something for Boris to read.williamglenn said:
William Hague is playing hard to get perhaps?GIN1138 said:Seems to be taking a while to appoint a foreign secretary?
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And his core will not care. That is the way it is these daysFrancisUrquhart said:Panorama have a special on the Donald, new allegations of being a sex pest.
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About as terse an acceptance letter as you get?williamglenn said:0 -
With so many people "predicting" May will go imminently, one wonders why the 5/2 available on her going by 30th September isn't being snapped up?
Of course we all know why - it's the golden rule of PB:
When someone posts "I predict ......" what they actually mean is "I want ......"
But posting "I want ......" doesn't look very sophisticated so instead they dress it up as a prediction.0 -
I do think May should feel able to appoint anybody as FM at this point - the days are past when they she 'must appoint a brexiteer' etc0
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Gareth Southgate is busy till at least Saturday night, possibly Sunday. If he is busy on Sunday there’s a chance he’ll have an appointment at the Palace anyway on Monday.williamglenn said:
William Hague is playing hard to get perhaps?GIN1138 said:Seems to be taking a while to appoint a foreign secretary?
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Penny Mordaunt would be an inspired choicekle4 said:I do think May should feel able to appoint anybody as FM at this point - the days are past when they she 'must appoint a brexiteer' etc
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No, I don't think that's true. I think May is likely to go quite quickly, but I don't want her to - I don't see how it will help - and I doubt I am alone in that.MikeL said:With so many people "predicting" May will go imminently, one wonders why the 5/2 available on her going by 30th September isn't being snapped up?
Of course we all know why - it's the golden rule of PB:
When someone posts "I predict ......" what they actually mean is "I want ......"
But posting "I want ......" doesn't look very sophisticated so instead they dress it up as a prediction.0 -
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Would she take the job when No 10 might be available soon?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Penny Mordaunt would be an inspired choicekle4 said:I do think May should feel able to appoint anybody as FM at this point - the days are past when they she 'must appoint a brexiteer' etc
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Will prove bitterly ironic if there is a "meaningful vote" to find only the most extreme Brexiters voting nay.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are behind the scenes moves to involve cross party consensus which even the SNP are party to. This has a long way to go with many twists and turns but if she gets an agreement I cannot see the HOC as a whole rejecting it as it would provoke fury among the electorate, including Brenda, who just want it doneWilliam_H said:May clearly isn't going via VoNC, but surely she needs to have a majority in parliament prepared to vote for her version of Brexit for her position to be tenable?
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I bet Rory the Tory still doesn't get a call....0
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Why on earth not. It would propel hugely in the next PM stakesMaxPB said:
Would she take the job when No 10 might be available soon?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Penny Mordaunt would be an inspired choicekle4 said:I do think May should feel able to appoint anybody as FM at this point - the days are past when they she 'must appoint a brexiteer' etc
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Still a lot to do there. But if he has ambitions he'll need time away from Health I guess. He won't make it 6 years after all I suppose.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?0
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No. Please, do so now for us.TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
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It ties her to the May administration which won't help her in the leadership stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why on earth not. It would propel hugely in the next PM stakesMaxPB said:
Would she take the job when No 10 might be available soon?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Penny Mordaunt would be an inspired choicekle4 said:I do think May should feel able to appoint anybody as FM at this point - the days are past when they she 'must appoint a brexiteer' etc
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The other interesting feature will also be the other new Cabinet entrant (as well as the further reshuffle of existing members). Perhaps Rory the Tory will be elevated, not least to restore the Etonian quota. Plus the lower ranks at Minister of State/PUSS.
Perhaps Robert Smithson’s day will be made by Kwasi Kwateng finally getting a job?0 -
Hunts a good choice. Health?0
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If Hunt does become the new FS, he is suddenly hot favourite to succeed May.
That may be a reason for him to refuse it, of course.0 -
Charlie Falconer declares this a day of competitive resignations. It can’t be long before he joins in.
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How about Sarah Wollaston - unlikely but she is a doctor and chair of the health select committeeJonathan said:Hunts a good choice. Health?
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Tracey crouch... Time to step up!JohnO said:The other interesting feature will also be the other new Cabinet entrant (as well as the further reshuffle of existing members). Perhaps Rory the Tory will be elevated, not least to restore the Etonian quota. Plus the lower ranks at Minister of State/PUSS.
Perhaps Robert Smithson’s day will be made by Kwasi Kwateng finally getting a job?0 -
No, she’d be another Estelle Morris. Not up to it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How about Sarah Wollaston - unlikely but she is a doctor and chair of the health select committeeJonathan said:Hunts a good choice. Health?
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Hunt should have got the job in the last ultra botched reshuffle. Finally Mrs M listens to the sage counsel of TSE et moi.0
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Heaven forbid. Wasn't Johnson warning enough of the limits of 'inside pissing out?'Big_G_NorthWales said:
How about Sarah Wollaston - unlikely but she is a doctor and chair of the health select committeeJonathan said:Hunts a good choice. Health?
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I am on at various levels from 110 downwards. Glorious winnings await us!TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
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I tipped him at 100/1 in July 2017kle4 said:
No. Please, do so now for us.TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
And at 66/1 in November 2017
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/0 -
You're a good man.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can honestly say I have never been more ashamed of our Country.Toms said:"My grandma kept the house immaculate, with display cabinets filled with charming if not particularly valuable china..."
I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Delft rack".
Personal comment: my terrace house escaped the ravages,especially popular in the 1960s, of ripping out fireplaces, walls, and other original fixtures: it still has its fitted Delft rack.
"Leavers have been very clear about what they don’t want and completely befuddled about what they might actually want..."
Another personal comment:
Many of the brexitiers I have known "wanted their country back".
But I can't see that they ever lost it.
Now they're b***ering it up
On the day Boris Johnson was supposed to be hosting a West Balkans Summit arranged by himself he failed to turn up at all leaving the event unhosted and creating fury among the Foreign Ministers present. He was so into himself he was holed up in his Office plotting and scheming to protect his career at the expense of our Country's reputation.
He had previously told Airbus to FO and went awol on the Heathrow vote to save his career which has ended a few days later.
I am unable to identify with him or any of the hard Brexiteers and I will fight to see our party and Country's image restored as business friendly and a Country respected on the World stage.
Tonight thanks to these zealots and the likes of the obnoxious Farage our Country is being laughed at and this at the time our wonderful football team is, wait for it, in the semi finals of the World Cup.
I hope that TM survives but if she doesn't I hope we can have a leader that holds high business and relationships around the World, including the EU, and goes someway along the road to restore our National pride and image
Good luck.0 -
The good old days.... . Tory head bangers or game players not as much fun for me.williamglenn said:Charlie Falconer declares this a day of competitive resignations. It can’t be long before he joins in.
https://twitter.com/lordcfalconer/status/1016327509674164225?s=210 -
Seems to me the entire Cabinet could resign and he would not get the call.FrancisUrquhart said:I bet Rory the Tory still doesn't get a call....
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You are probably right but she does favour cross party involvement which is neededwilliamglenn said:
No, she’d be another Estelle Morris. Not up to it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How about Sarah Wollaston - unlikely but she is a doctor and chair of the health select committeeJonathan said:Hunts a good choice. Health?
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It really does seem that way.rottenborough said:
Seems to me the entire Cabinet could resign and he would not get the call.FrancisUrquhart said:I bet Rory the Tory still doesn't get a call....
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Really? I wouldn't have known. But then you're always so modest about your tips.TheScreamingEagles said:
I tipped him at 100/1 in July 2017kle4 said:
No. Please, do so now for us.TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
And at 66/1 in November 2017
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/0 -
Wrong night to show that one.FrancisUrquhart said:Panorama have a special on the Donald, new allegations of being a sex pest.
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Hmmm. Someone who knows something about their brief. That would breach all convention and precedent.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How about Sarah Wollaston - unlikely but she is a doctor and chair of the health select committeeJonathan said:Hunts a good choice. Health?
It is not the British way.0 -
The Brad Hodge of Tory politics?FrancisUrquhart said:
It really does seem that way.rottenborough said:
Seems to me the entire Cabinet could resign and he would not get the call.FrancisUrquhart said:I bet Rory the Tory still doesn't get a call....
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Well said that man...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can honestly say I have never been more ashamed of our Country.Toms said:"My grandma kept the house immaculate, with display cabinets filled with charming if not particularly valuable china..."
I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Delft rack".
Personal comment: my terrace house escaped the ravages,especially popular in the 1960s, of ripping out fireplaces, walls, and other original fixtures: it still has its fitted Delft rack.
"Leavers have been very clear about what they don’t want and completely befuddled about what they might actually want..."
Another personal comment:
Many of the brexitiers I have known "wanted their country back".
But I can't see that they ever lost it.
Now they're b***ering it up
On the day Boris Johnson was supposed to be hosting a West Balkans Summit arranged by himself he failed to turn up at all leaving the event unhosted and creating fury among the Foreign Ministers present. He was so into himself he was holed up in his Office plotting and scheming to protect his career at the expense of our Country's reputation.
He had previously told Airbus to FO and went awol on the Heathrow vote to save his career which has ended a few days later.
I am unable to identify with him or any of the hard Brexiteers and I will fight to see our party and Country's image restored as business friendly and a Country respected on the World stage.
Tonight thanks to these zealots and the likes of the obnoxious Farage our Country is being laughed at and this at the time our wonderful football team is, wait for it, in the semi finals of the World Cup.
I hope that TM survives but if she doesn't I hope we can have a leader that holds high business and relationships around the World, including the EU, and goes someway along the road to restore our National pride and image0 -
Thank youToms said:
You're a good man.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can honestly say I have never been more ashamed of our Country.Toms said:"My grandma kept the house immaculate, with display cabinets filled with charming if not particularly valuable china..."
I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Delft rack".
Personal comment: my terrace house escaped the ravages,especially popular in the 1960s, of ripping out fireplaces, walls, and other original fixtures: it still has its fitted Delft rack.
"Leavers have been very clear about what they don’t want and completely befuddled about what they might actually want..."
Another personal comment:
Many of the brexitiers I have known "wanted their country back".
But I can't see that they ever lost it.
Now they're b***ering it up
On the day Boris Johnson was supposed to be hosting a West Balkans Summit arranged by himself he failed to turn up at all leaving the event unhosted and creating fury among the Foreign Ministers present. He was so into himself he was holed up in his Office plotting and scheming to protect his career at the expense of our Country's reputation.
He had previously told Airbus to FO and went awol on the Heathrow vote to save his career which has ended a few days later.
I am unable to identify with him or any of the hard Brexiteers and I will fight to see our party and Country's image restored as business friendly and a Country respected on the World stage.
Tonight thanks to these zealots and the likes of the obnoxious Farage our Country is being laughed at and this at the time our wonderful football team is, wait for it, in the semi finals of the World Cup.
I hope that TM survives but if she doesn't I hope we can have a leader that holds high business and relationships around the World, including the EU, and goes someway along the road to restore our National pride and image
Good luck.0 -
Why...not like anything else is going on.rottenborough said:
Wrong night to show that one.FrancisUrquhart said:Panorama have a special on the Donald, new allegations of being a sex pest.
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These are my best tips since I tipped Diane Abbott as Corbyn's successor.ydoethur said:
Really? I wouldn't have known. But then you're always so modest about your tips.TheScreamingEagles said:
I tipped him at 100/1 in July 2017kle4 said:
No. Please, do so now for us.TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
And at 66/1 in November 2017
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/0 -
Thank youScrapheap_as_was said:
Well said that man...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can honestly say I have never been more ashamed of our Country.Toms said:"My grandma kept the house immaculate, with display cabinets filled with charming if not particularly valuable china..."
I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Delft rack".
Personal comment: my terrace house escaped the ravages,especially popular in the 1960s, of ripping out fireplaces, walls, and other original fixtures: it still has its fitted Delft rack.
"Leavers have been very clear about what they don’t want and completely befuddled about what they might actually want..."
Another personal comment:
Many of the brexitiers I have known "wanted their country back".
But I can't see that they ever lost it.
Now they're b***ering it up
On the day Boris Johnson was supposed to be hosting a West Balkans Summit arranged by himself he failed to turn up at all leaving the event unhosted and creating fury among the Foreign Ministers present. He was so into himself he was holed up in his Office plotting and scheming to protect his career at the expense of our Country's reputation.
He had previously told Airbus to FO and went awol on the Heathrow vote to save his career which has ended a few days later.
I am unable to identify with him or any of the hard Brexiteers and I will fight to see our party and Country's image restored as business friendly and a Country respected on the World stage.
Tonight thanks to these zealots and the likes of the obnoxious Farage our Country is being laughed at and this at the time our wonderful football team is, wait for it, in the semi finals of the World Cup.
I hope that TM survives but if she doesn't I hope we can have a leader that holds high business and relationships around the World, including the EU, and goes someway along the road to restore our National pride and image0 -
I understand Corbyn tipped her first though.TheScreamingEagles said:
These are my best tips since I tipped Diane Abbott as Corbyn's successor.ydoethur said:
Really? I wouldn't have known. But then you're always so modest about your tips.TheScreamingEagles said:
I tipped him at 100/1 in July 2017kle4 said:
No. Please, do so now for us.TheScreamingEagles said:Have I ever mentioned that I tipped Jeremy Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1 as next PM?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
And at 66/1 in November 2017
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/26/my-1001-tip-for-next-pm-is-setting-his-sights-on-number-10/0 -
Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....0
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She should sack Gavin Barwell and make me her Chief of Staff.JohnO said:Hunt should have got the job in the last ultra botched reshuffle. Finally Mrs M listens to the sage counsel of TSE et moi.
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It was never made clear by the Conservatives who were running both the Leave and Remain campaigns exactly what the question was. Many people though that is was about the conditions that Mr Cameron had negotiated so spectacuarly in the previous three weeks with the various head of government in the EU. Since most people hated the Conservatives -understandably - they understood that they ought to vote against the Conservative proposals, and Mr Cameron`s government while they were at it.Pulpstar said:
Where is that - Makerfield ?CD13 said:Mr Freggles,
"Not this again.
Most Labour voters voted Remain. What everyone else in their constituency did makes no difference."
Not this again. My constituency in NW England. Referendum 58% Leave. GE 2OI7 Labour 26,000 Cons 6,000, Ukip 6,000, Others bits and bobs. labour majority 20,000
Who voted Leave?
That did not mean that they actually wanted to leave the EU. Still less in the way that Mrs May`s hard-line Tories chose to interpret the result.0 -
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
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David Owen.ydoethur said:
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
He went from Minister of State at the FCO to Foreign Secretary.
Edit you could argue John Major too. He went from Chief Secretary which is effectively Minister of State at the Treasury to Foreign Secretary.0 -
New Foreign Secretary? Has to be Gavin Williamson surely0
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David Owen 1977ydoethur said:
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
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Wonder whqt anti social hour the next resignation will occur this evening?0
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I can't believe that Rees Mogg supports Boris for leader. Surely even he can see that he's soiled himselfydoethur said:Boris Johnson signs 'Rt Hon.'
Never has the old joke, 'rarely right and never honourable,' seemed more apt.
Not even though that joke was invented by Jeffrey Archer's constituents.
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No and no againRochdalePioneers said:New Foreign Secretary? Has to be Gavin Williamson surely
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Neither are exactly dazzling examples of successes.houndtang said:
David Owen 1977ydoethur said:
From Minister of State to FCS would be a very big jump. Has anyone made such a jump since Eden (with a brief interlude as Lord Privy Seal) in 1935?JohnO said:Alan Duncan (old friend of Theresa’s)? Tobias Elwood another possibility for promotion. Mel Stride or Richard Harrington? But can’t be bothered to look up the list of current Ministers of State....
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So far panorama isn't really covering any new ground.0
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I rarely agree with Alastair when it comes to Brexit but here we are. I'm a devoted Leaver and former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator yet to be persuaded that her proposal is betrayal or BINO. It would substantially remove us from the EU and allow for later divergence on industrial and agricultural goods as and when full solutions were in place. Maybe in some parallel universe more planning was done in advance of A50 and Canada+++ was pushed for from the start by a united Cabinet. We're not in that parallel universe though. The EU may (might have?) found some spurious reason to reject May's proposal but that wouldn't make trying it wrong.0
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That wouldn't be whipping, more masochism given how unpopular he is in the PCP.RochdalePioneers said:New Foreign Secretary? Has to be Gavin Williamson surely
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Paging brenda....TheScreamingEagles said:/twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1016410107440087040
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Challenge her then!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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That's really the key. If it gets accepted May likely wins, as God knows people are getting fed up with the "debate", but if the EU says no May is surely finished.Essexit said:The EU may (might have?) found some spurious reason to reject May's proposal but that wouldn't make trying it wrong.
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