JosiasJessop said:

Roger said:

My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron

When I was working, I had a policy of not sending an email immediately, even if it was urgent. I would type, save it as a draft, and move onto something else for a while. Then I would go back, proofread it, and send it.

I'd often pick up problems, some of them embarrassing. Worse were the times I'd do this and still end up sending emails with mistakes!

(It was also surprising how often I'd realise I'd written the email in the wrong tone, or even that the email wasn't really necessary.)

Alanbrooke said:

Roger said:

JosiasJessop said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

HYUFD said:

DavidL said:

HYUFD said:

The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.

However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.


https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html

Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.

Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combination

I'm starting to feel nauseous.....

It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herself

Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.

In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......

Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.

"leavers of power" ?

Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...

My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron

lay test ?

you've gone all Harvey Weinstein Roger

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Jessop, that's a good point.

When doing a final proofread of a book it's often troubling to find so many little errors, given I'll've read some sections about 8 times before.

FrancisUrquhart said:

The spoilt child that is Neymar should take note,

Japan hailed as 'an example for all teams' after leaving dressing room spotlessly clean with a note of thanks in Russian after dramatic World Cup defeat by Belgium

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5912209/Japan-example-teams-leaving-dressing-room-spotless-Belgium-loss.html

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The spoilt child that is Neymar should take note,

Japan hailed as 'an example for all teams' after leaving dressing room spotlessly clean with a note of thanks in Russian after dramatic World Cup defeat by Belgium

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5912209/Japan-example-teams-leaving-dressing-room-spotless-Belgium-loss.html

If Belgium are 3-0 down by half time or something then hopefully Fellaini can give Neymar a world cup quarter to remember. There's something very intensely dislikeable about Neymar.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

Dura_Ace said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

It was probably the right decision as coaches are ten a real in Brazil but Neymar is a once in a generation talent.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Dura_Ace said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

It was probably the right decision as coaches are ten a real in Brazil but Neymar is a once in a generation talent.

Well last world cup he didn't do it for them and this world cup Coutinho is the Brazil's best player. In fact, I wonder if the fancy dan ball hogger wasn't in the team, if Brazil might have played better overall.

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The spoilt child that is Neymar should take note,

Japan hailed as 'an example for all teams' after leaving dressing room spotlessly clean with a note of thanks in Russian after dramatic World Cup defeat by Belgium

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5912209/Japan-example-teams-leaving-dressing-room-spotless-Belgium-loss.html

If Belgium are 3-0 down by half time or something then hopefully Fellaini can give Neymar a world cup quarter to remember. There's something very intensely dislikeable about Neymar.

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

According to Phil Vickery (the bloke on the BBC who has lived in Brazil most of his adult life and know everything about South American football), his whole life, Neymar has been like that.

He doesn't come from street football (like many Brazilians) and at every turn all his outbursts have been excused / he has been sided with because of his talent.

Maybe one of his opponents will be minded to give him a taste of street football if the blatant hysterionics continue?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Dura_Ace said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

It was probably the right decision as coaches are ten a real in Brazil but Neymar is a once in a generation talent.

Well last world cup he didn't do it for them and this world cup Coutinho is the Brazil's best player. In fact, I wonder if the fancy dan ball hogger wasn't in the team, if Brazil might have played better overall.

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Dura_Ace said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I posted a story here yesterday of how when he broke into the senior club team he threw such a tantrum at not being allowed to take a penalty (after missing a number of previous ones), that the game had to be stopped for several minutes...then after the game, the coach suspended him for 2 weeks, to which he threw an even bigger wobbler threatening never to play again, and ultimately the club president sacked the coach to placate Neymar.

It was probably the right decision as coaches are ten a real in Brazil but Neymar is a once in a generation talent.

Well last world cup he didn't do it for them and this world cup Coutinho is the Brazil's best player. In fact, I wonder if the fancy dan ball hogger wasn't in the team, if Brazil might have played better overall.

The teams that are doing best in this World Cup are not the ones with a Big Name Talent. Portugal and Ronaldo have gone home. Agentina and Messi have gone home. The teams that have performed well are those that have been that - a team. It's possible that Kylian Mbappé might turn into a real pain in the arse, but for now France are in the sweet spot - they have the benefit of his undoubted excellence as a team player without the super-sized ego.

Jonathan said:

Could Lord Hague be PM?

JosiasJessop said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?

Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?

The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.

I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).

However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.

(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)

edmundintokyo said:

OT Question for our pro-Brexit posters:

Obviously you don't want this, but if it came down to a choice between either BINO or a delay, which may result in something other than BINO but there's no guarantee, which would you prefer?

edmundintokyo said:

OT Question for our pro-Brexit posters:

Obviously you don't want this, but if it came down to a choice between either BINO or a delay, which may result in something other than BINO but there's no guarantee, which would you prefer?

Mortimer said:

If it is alignment-based, some variation BINO fudge, then BINO and slow detachment, a la Ireland post 1922.

JosiasJessop said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?

Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?

The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.

I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).

However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.

(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)

Philip_Thompson said:

edmundintokyo said:

OT Question for our pro-Brexit posters:

Obviously you don't want this, but if it came down to a choice between either BINO or a delay, which may result in something other than BINO but there's no guarantee, which would you prefer?

BINO.

It's not ideal and its the worst of all scenarios (worse even than remaining) but it won't be permanent. At the moment the EU has us over a barrel because we're so entwined with them that we don't have our own seats on international bodies such as Aviation etc and our present government has wasted its 2 years doing zero prep for a no deal exit.

We need to exit, get our own house in order, regain our seats on international bodies so we can certify planes, medicines etc and then we can review the BINO status. No Parliament can bind its successor and although it will royally piss off the EU in a few years time we can and should if they force a vassal status on us now say this isn't good enough and walk away again.

edmundintokyo said:

Bromptonaut said:

archer101au said:

edmundintokyo said:

OT Question for our pro-Brexit posters:

Obviously you don't want this, but if it came down to a choice between either BINO or a delay, which may result in something other than BINO but there's no guarantee, which would you prefer?

Good question. I would take the delay because I don't believe that any political party will ever re-open the withdrawal agreement, whatever they promise. It will forever be in the too hard basket and the only direction of movement will be re-integration. The issue has to be faced now and a delay will keep the pressure on our so-called leaders to do what they were told.

Gove seems to be the supporter of later divergence (mainly so he doesn't have to resign, as he should) and his lack of clarity may well be why Tory members are looking at Javid. Of course, we have no idea what Javid thinks about anything but if he plays a very strong Brexit hand this Friday then he may well move ahead of Gove permanently. If he prats around, his star will fade along with all the other cabinet leavers who have sat on their hands.

Reality begins to dawn on the Brexit headbangers this morning I see.

Keep going lads, you’ll get there.

Let's be nice, they're answering a hypothetical in good faith.

williamglenn said:

A slight variation on Edmund's hypothetical:

What if the choice were a delay, or signing a "bridge to nowhere" withdrawal agreement that just contained the divorce bill, citizens rights, NI backstop and a fudged political declaration?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And that is so true. We all need to be ready to compromise and come together

NEW THREAD

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

And that is so true. We all need to be ready to compromise and come together

I wasn't going to go that far...

But I am interested in working out what's going on and what's going to happen, and that's easier if we can have a conversation without everyone having to worry that anything they say is going to be used for point scoring.