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Nick Timothy was the reason I took an instant dislike to Theresa May the day she became PM.Gardenwalker said:
I’m finishing Fall Out.TheScreamingEagles said:Clicked on an old link, from June 2017. God, Nick Timothy really did screw the country.
*Nobody* comes out of it well, but Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill worst of all.
He's worse than Mark Reckless.0 -
Dave's authority was shot, if he hadn't resigned then he would have been ousted, heck even if he had won the referendum some of the Leavers were planning on triggering a VONC on June 24th 2016.MarkHopkins said:
Who's to blame?
Cameron for resigning without sorting this out.
Or Gove for stabbing Boris in the back and letter May have an easy ride.
He did as much as possible given the way Leave campaigned. You've had two years to catch those unicorns.0 -
I do use Amazon occasionally but I find their site a PITA most of the time - the results you get from a search can be rather baffling - clearly driven much more by their advertisers/vendors that by the customer.another_richard said:
Its a possibility.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Personally I rarely find them as cheap as Tesco, Argos or Ebay but I guess many people look only at Amazon for convenience.0 -
Anyone who voted for this shitshowMarkHopkins said:Who's to blame?
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Scott_P said:
Anyone who voted for this shitshowMarkHopkins said:Who's to blame?
I didn't vote for TMay, NTimothy, or FHill.
Did you?
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Most eurosceptics will be pleased.williamglenn said:0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave's authority was shot, if he hadn't resigned then he would have been ousted, heck even if he had won the referendum some of the Leavers were planning on triggering a VONC on June 24th 2016.MarkHopkins said:
Who's to blame?
Cameron for resigning without sorting this out.
Or Gove for stabbing Boris in the back and letter May have an easy ride.
He did as much as possible given the way Leave campaigned. You've had two years to catch those unicorns.
So Cameron's fault then.
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NopeMarkHopkins said:I didn't vote for TMay, NTimothy, or FHill.
Did you?0 -
She can't have been that much in thrall to him or she would have backed Leave in the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nick Timothy was the reason I took an instant dislike to Theresa May the day she became PM.Gardenwalker said:
I’m finishing Fall Out.TheScreamingEagles said:Clicked on an old link, from June 2017. God, Nick Timothy really did screw the country.
*Nobody* comes out of it well, but Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill worst of all.0 -
Only if you're a moron.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave's authority was shot, if he hadn't resigned then he would have been ousted, heck even if he had won the referendum some of the Leavers were planning on triggering a VONC on June 24th 2016.MarkHopkins said:
Who's to blame?
Cameron for resigning without sorting this out.
Or Gove for stabbing Boris in the back and letter May have an easy ride.
He did as much as possible given the way Leave campaigned. You've had two years to catch those unicorns.
So Cameron's fault then.0 -
I have reached the point in “Fall Out” where Theresa May has to literally beg Juncker to save her from defenestration, while Selmayr snickers in the corner.
Juncker relays this to the 27 heads of government who then debate whether it is worth trying to keep Theresa in post.
“Take back control”.0 -
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Who thought of this stupid idea - I am tired of getting endless opt in emails and completing online forms. I just had to fill out one to remain subscribed to the AELTC so I could still get news about the Wimbledon tennis.welshowl said:
I know it’s GDPR day!Richard_Tyndall said:OT A quick public service announcement.
Don't forget to take your towel with you when you leave home tomorrow.
But if you do forget. Don't Panic!0 -
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brendan16 said:
Who thought of this stupid idea - I am tired of getting endless opt in emails and completing online forms. I just had to fill out one to remain subscribed to the AELTC so I could still get news about the Wimbledon tennis.welshowl said:
I know it’s GDPR day!Richard_Tyndall said:OT A quick public service announcement.
Don't forget to take your towel with you when you leave home tomorrow.
But if you do forget. Don't Panic!
Who thought of this stupid idea
The EU.
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https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999745337060478976?s=19
A seat of interest to TP as I recall.
Lab vote not as Leave as one may imagine.0 -
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/999684564321734656brendan16 said:Who thought of this stupid idea - I am tired of getting endless opt in emails and completing online forms. I just had to fill out one to remain subscribed to the AELTC so I could still get news about the Wimbledon tennis.
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Only four puns? You should have aimed for Severn.Charles said:
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngishydoethur said:
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
(BTW, did you mean 'worry' rather than 'work'?)
None of my criticism is intended to be Trentchant, and I may even have Mersey if you admit defeat.
Unfortunately my Tyne is up and I am off to bed.
Good night all.0 -
Hastings interesting too:RobD said:
LD vote not as remain as one may imagine...Foxy said:twitter.com/election_data/status/999745337060478976?s=19
A seat of interest to TP as I recall.
Lab vote not as Leave as one may imagine.
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I have to say that I am concerned that Granny Foxy is leaving it a bit late getting back to me. I may have to delete her from my contacts list...Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/999684564321734656brendan16 said:Who thought of this stupid idea - I am tired of getting endless opt in emails and completing online forms. I just had to fill out one to remain subscribed to the AELTC so I could still get news about the Wimbledon tennis.
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Interesting piece from fivethirtyeight.
Cancellation of talks with Kim might harm Trump's popularity and therefore affect the midterm results. This is of interest to punters on the midterms (and also those interested in the future of the US and the world).
Trump’s handling of North Korea has been popular and may account for the recent uptick in his popularity ratings (which are still abysmal)
Average percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of Trump’s handling of different issues
APPROVE DISAPPROVE DIFF
North Korea 52.0% 38.7% +13.3
Economy 48.0 46.0 +2.0
Terrorism* 47.0 48.0 -1.0
Taxes* 46.0 47.0 -1.0
Syria* 44.0 46.0 -2.0
China* 42.0 48.0 -6.0
Trade 41.0 48.7 -7.7
Iran* 37.0 46.0 -9.0
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-handling-of-north-korea-has-been-one-of-the-few-things-americans-liked-about-his-presidency/?ex_cid=politicsnewsletter
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As a Remainer I'll be pleased.Sean_F said:
Most eurosceptics will be pleased.williamglenn said:0 -
"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget0 -
I'm all in favour of parallel currencies. Greece should have done the same. Let the market determine the relative values. I'm dubious about Marxist top down control by central banks.AndyJS said:"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget0 -
Ambrose Pritchard Evans?AndyJS said:"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
Fuhgeddaboutit.0 -
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AEP. Also, I don't think the bond swap made it into the coalition agreement.AndyJS said:"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget0 -
My mistake, the predecessor seat did contain Normanton and I erred in the skim read.another_richard said:
Normanton isn't in Hemsworth constituency.Pro_Rata said:
Hemsworth up - Normanton and Featherstone definitely hit the left leave pit village button, 20% Kipper at GE15 and 3%ish Lab to Con swing in 17, very typical of the sort of northern seat of metro remainer imagination. Here Lab remain edged Lab leave here 43:42. Prediction intact.Pro_Rata said:
Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144
First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.
Its in the constituency of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford.
There's a clue in the name
Still, the substantive point is that this polling suggests to me that there are probably no more than 20-40 GE 17 seats where more leavers than remainers voted Labour,. In a large percentage of northern, E Mids and S Wales WWC seats, the Labour vote still tended towards remain to varying degrees. Go back to GE15, subtract out subsequent UKIP to Lab switching, and I would suspect no more than half a dozen seats where the Labour vote itself was Leave leaning.
Yet the myth has grown that these are the people that drove Brexit rather than shire and indeed WWC Tories. The myth has grown that Labour should triangulate to leavers in their own base. Of course Corbyn's diffidence reduced the Labour remain vote from what it could have been, but that is not the same metric.0 -
But Tesco couldn't make it pay so its not simply a shift to the internet.Casino_Royale said:
Internet shopping.another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.0 -
Good for you! Government attempting to control money has been the primary cause of economic meltdowns for well over a century.Barnesian said:
I'm all in favour of parallel currencies. Greece should have done the same. Let the market determine the relative values. I'm dubious about Marxist top down control by central banks.AndyJS said:"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget0 -
Sounds like Timothy was doing the right thing. He realised that May is convinced by the last argument that she sees and if civil servants could keep sending her papers she would never be able to make her mind up about anything. Which is exactly what happened after he left.TheScreamingEagles said:Clicked on an old link, from June 2017. God, Nick Timothy really did screw the country.
The Times has been told that at least one senior official intimately involved in the Brexit negotiations was at one stage prevented from seeing the prime minister by Mr Timothy. Sir Ivan Rogers, who was then Britain’s permanent representative to the EU, tried to alert Mrs May to what he believed were flaws in the government’s understanding of Brussels.
“He was told that he couldn’t write submissions to the prime minister and that everything had to go through the chief of staff,” one insider said.
“He tried to get one-to-one meetings with Mrs May and was rebuffed. Everything that the prime minister saw or heard was controlled by Nick.”
Senior sources said no attempt was made by Sir Jeremy to ensure Sir Ivan got access to Mrs May. Believing he had been frozen out, Sir Ivan quit. A former senior Whitehall figure said that had disastrous consequences for the initial stages of Brexit preparations.
“Losing Ivan Rogers at that point was really bad just as we were preparing our position on Article 50,” they said. “He was ex-Treasury and knew about budgets and financial services and how Brussels works. They just lost that. You’ve ended up with yes men and they’re bloody useless to everybody.”
Sir Ivan’s isolation was possible because the pair ripped up the previous practice in Downing Street that senior civil servants could directly put submissions and papers into the prime minister’s nightly and weekend red boxes.
Under the new regime material seen by the prime minister had to be vetted first either by Mr Timothy or Ms Hill. That not only dismayed Whitehall but gummed up the process of decision-making by inserting a fresh layer of bureaucracy into the No 10 operation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/how-civil-servants-lived-in-fearof-the-terrible-twins-at-no-10-8smxqj6jw?CMP=Sprkr-_-Editorial-_-thetimes-_-Politics-_-Imageandlink-_-Statement-_-Unspecified-_-TWITTER&linkId=387982430 -
Italy is a clear and present risk to us, if "pour encourager les autres" becomes again a bigger consideration in the EU's mind.Gardenwalker said:
Ambrose Pritchard Evans?AndyJS said:"World's bankers awaken to full horror of Italy's parallel currency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/24/worlds-bankers-awaken-full-horror-italys-parallel-currency/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
Fuhgeddaboutit.0 -
Lifelong cricket fan Theresa May has been elected a member of the Marylebone Cricket Club which owns Lord’s cricket ground, The Telegraph can disclose.
Normally members have to wait 26 years to join the most famous cricket club in the world. Mrs May had to wait only a few months after the club fast-tracked her application.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/24/theresa-may-jumps-26-year-waiting-list-mcc-membership-fast-tracked/0 -
Well you need to have a few benefits from being PM. Particularly as she might not be PM later this year.FrancisUrquhart said:Lifelong cricket fan Theresa May has been elected a member of the Marylebone Cricket Club which owns Lord’s cricket ground, The Telegraph can disclose.
Normally members have to wait 26 years to join the most famous cricket club in the world. Mrs May had to wait only a few months after the club fast-tracked her application.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/24/theresa-may-jumps-26-year-waiting-list-mcc-membership-fast-tracked/0 -
Masked hooligans attack Liverpool fans like a 'pack of dogs' in horrifying ambush ahead of Champions League final in Kiev
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-masked-hooligans-attack-liverpool-125927180 -
Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?0
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Even those half a dozen seats could be crucial to whether Corbyn becomes PM or not given how tight the polls are, not forgetting 20% of 2015 UKIP voters are now voting Labour too and were part of the reason Corbyn got Labour to 40%Pro_Rata said:
My mistake, the predecessor seat did contain Normanton and I erred in the skim read.another_richard said:
Normanton isn't in Hemsworth constituency.Pro_Rata said:
Hemsworth up - Normanton and Featherstone definitely hit the left leave pit village button, 20% Kipper at GE15 and 3%ish Lab to Con swing in 17, very typical of the sort of northern seat of metro remainer imagination. Here Lab remain edged Lab leave here 43:42. Prediction intact.Pro_Rata said:
Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.Tissue_Price said:Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144
First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.
Its in the constituency of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford.
There's a clue in the name
Still, the substantive point is that this polling suggests to me that there are probably no more than 20-40 GE 17 seats where more leavers than remainers voted Labour,. In a large percentage of northern, E Mids and S Wales WWC seats, the Labour vote still tended towards remain to varying degrees. Go back to GE15, subtract out subsequent UKIP to Lab switching, and I would suspect no more than half a dozen seats where the Labour vote itself was Leave leaning.
Yet the myth has grown that these are the people that drove Brexit rather than shire and indeed WWC Tories. The myth has grown that Labour should triangulate to leavers in their own base. Of course Corbyn's diffidence reduced the Labour remain vote from what it could have been, but that is not the same metric.
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I was in the audience for QT at university and asked a question, though Dimbleby quickly moved on, it is filmed about 7pm and goes out at 10 30pm on a Thursday so unless you are a diehard Emmerdale or C4 news or Newsnight fan you are not really missing muchtyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Thereby accurately reflecting the decline in British politics.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Question Time is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Your 'Avon a laugh! But I'll give you some Lea-way.ydoethur said:
Only four puns? You should have aimed for Severn.Charles said:
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngishydoethur said:
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
(BTW, did you mean 'worry' rather than 'work'?)
None of my criticism is intended to be Trentchant, and I may even have Mersey if you admit defeat.
Unfortunately my Tyne is up and I am off to bed.
Good night all.0 -
Harsh, on jigsaw puzzles that at least give you a pretty picture at the end.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Question Time is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Yes, 30 years ago we could have had a QT panel of Cyril Smith, Jeffrey Archer, Jimmy Saville, Peter Morrison, Jeremy Thorpe, David Mellor and Rolf Harris and Max Clifford. Those were the days!Jonathan said:
Thereby accurately reflecting the decline in British politics.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Apparently, most of us get surrounded by bright light and beckoning passed-on relatives. It does not sound too bad unless my Aunt Lily is in the crowd... in which case I will stick to the jigsawJonathan said:
Harsh, on jigsaw puzzles that at least give you a pretty picture at the end.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Question Time is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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Wye all Dee puns?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Your 'Avon a laugh! But I'll give you some Lea-way.ydoethur said:
Only four puns? You should have aimed for Severn.Charles said:
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngishydoethur said:
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
(BTW, did you mean 'worry' rather than 'work'?)
None of my criticism is intended to be Trentchant, and I may even have Mersey if you admit defeat.
Unfortunately my Tyne is up and I am off to bed.
Good night all.0 -
http://www.landscapejuice.com/2009/07/jeremy-clarkson-gives-our-gardening-advice-for-petrolheads.htmlJonathan said:
Harsh, on jigsaw puzzles that at least give you a pretty picture at the end.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Question Time is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
"Gardening is like doing a jigsaw. A pointless way of passing the time until you die. Pruning is like putting the completed picture back in the box so that you can start again. And the net effect is that the tree you planted to shield the neighbours’ new skyscraper is now only 2in tall and looks stupid."0 -
Test-ing times. I'm Don with 'Eden good adviceMarqueeMark said:
Wye all Dee puns?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Your 'Avon a laugh! But I'll give you some Lea-way.ydoethur said:
Only four puns? You should have aimed for Severn.Charles said:
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngishydoethur said:
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
(BTW, did you mean 'worry' rather than 'work'?)
None of my criticism is intended to be Trentchant, and I may even have Mersey if you admit defeat.
Unfortunately my Tyne is up and I am off to bed.
Good night all.0 -
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Mersey! Show some Mersey kind sir....Sunil_Prasannan said:
Test-ing times. I'm Don with 'Eden good adviceMarqueeMark said:
Wye all Dee puns?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Your 'Avon a laugh! But I'll give you some Lea-way.ydoethur said:
Only four puns? You should have aimed for Severn.Charles said:
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngishydoethur said:
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.Gardenwalker said:
Amazon?another_richard said:Surprisingly strong retail sales in April.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
(BTW, did you mean 'worry' rather than 'work'?)
None of my criticism is intended to be Trentchant, and I may even have Mersey if you admit defeat.
Unfortunately my Tyne is up and I am off to bed.
Good night all.0 -
I suppose it is.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Question Time is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.AndyJS said:
Question Time used to be one of the best programmes on TV in the 1980s and 1990s. The audience is too noisy these days, and the politicians are always interrupting each other.tyson said:Three observations...why would anyone want to sit on a QT panel? Why would anyone want to go to the trouble of going to watch it live? And why would anyone watch it on TV? Life is fucking too short isn't it?
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