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edited May 2018 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Pro-Brexit anti-Lords poll splashed by the Mail comes under fire for “loaded” questions

Leo Barasi, a regular with Keiran Pedley on the PB/Polling Matters Podcasts is no stranger to PBers and his is always worth listening to.

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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    First
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,904
    As a house husband, second.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,133
    Thanks. Yeah, I think it was noted in the comments yesterday how leading some of the questions were.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    It's a wonder that Trump didn't sign the letter Real Donald Trump.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    A massive and powerful fourth
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,133
    Pulpstar said:

    A massive and powerful fourth

    I hope to God you never have to use your first. :o
  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    Given Hemmling's comments, maybe you should change your Avatar to the Gimp from Pulp Fiction.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.

    Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.

    I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.

    Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?

    The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?

    Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    Was sorry to read that nasty comment on the other thread.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. rkrkrk, just gone back to check, and quite agree with you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,133
    edited May 2018
    tlg86 said:

    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?

    If anyone goes on topic below the line they will be banned.

    Fat chance of that happening though :D
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tlg86 said:

    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?

    Pollsters are generally pretty legit....the questions their clients get them to ask....and the order they are asked in is fair game....they usually exercise a moderating influence on the questions - and in fairness to this poll, I've seen a lot worse....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,319
    tlg86 said:

    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?

    Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?

    Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.
    Pollster sure, but I think we should be free to question the motives of whoever commissioned the poll. This poll for the Mail being a pretty good example of it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    I thought slagging off pollsters was a no no on this site?

    Criticising the methodology is fine, questioning the motive of the pollster is not.
    Surely the motive of pollsters is the same of the sex and legal industries... getting paid by their clients ;)
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.


    Trying to betray Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways

    corrected for you

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Future UK participation in Galileo is a strategic choice which will have a permanent effect on our future defence and defence industrial collaboration;

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/710790/FINAL_GALILEO.pdf
  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    rkrkrk said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    Was sorry to read that nasty comment on the other thread.
    It was indeed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,319
    I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.

    https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    CarlottaVance said:

    Future UK participation in Galileo is a strategic choice which will have a permanent effect on our future defence and defence industrial collaboration;

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/710790/FINAL_GALILEO.pdf


    "This will not be straightforward, but the UK will enter these negotiations in good faith, and we do not believe there are any insurmountable challenges"

    Does the EU acting like a-holes count as an insurmountable challenge?

    Just asking.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 2018
    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    You do know that said everything about the poster and nothing about you, don't you?

    Wear your badge with pride!

  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.

    https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21

    Did this not happen in 2007?

    I have a bad feeling about Saturday...
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    It's remarkable just how much Leavers hate Britain. There's barely any of it as it currently exists that they don't want to destroy.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/999648543903240192
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    MarkHopkins said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.


    Trying to betray Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways

    corrected for you

    What, simply trying is enough to wreck the country? Bye-bye free speech then!
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited May 2018
    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    You're OK man.
    I was trying to describe that comment. For some reason the phrase "reflexively rebarbative" entered my brain. What the heck does that say about me I wonder.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    "It would be wrong to thwart Mike Smithson's membership of the House of Lords."

    Agree - 99.98%
    Disagree - 0.02% (N. Farage)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,319
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.

    https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21

    Did this not happen in 2007?

    I have a bad feeling about Saturday...
    The biggest issue with Athens was the piss poor turnstiles.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. Meeks, generalisations are always wrong.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    A report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies warns that all but two countries in Europe, the UK and France, are outspent by BAE, Lockheed Martin and Boeing when it comes to military research and development.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/iiss-report-three-defence-companies-each-spent-more-on-defence-rd-than-all-but-two-european-countries/
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/999648543903240192

    The game is afoot. Some have cottoned onto what it means to have an old fool style socialism that Corbyn etc are looking for. They're serious. Socialism in the form of state aid has slowly been wiped out sector by sector across the EU. It would be an irony for the nation that Thatcherised the whole of a continent to turn itself back into the sick man of Europe.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,855
    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    I prefer bicameralism myself, especially as - unusually in the UK - the legislature is also the executive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,133
    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    I believe the statement yesterday did say they would replace it.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    JackW said:

    "It would be wrong to thwart Mike Smithson's membership of the House of Lords."

    Agree - 99.98%
    Disagree - 0.02% (N. Farage)


    That should be:

    Agree - 10%
    █████████████████████████

    Disagree - 90%
    ████
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,319
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/999648543903240192

    How is that taking back control?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 2018
    He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999667181083295744
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Meeks, generalisations are always wrong.

    Very good :lol:
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    Jeremy Corbyn: “It is a democratic necessity to abolish the unelected and outdated House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/23/all-future-labour-peers-must-back-abolition-of-lords-says-corbyn
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/999668634342559745
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. P, should stand her in good stead in this constituency. When UKIP was riding high it got several thousand (I think) votes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Oh shitty shit shit...stokes now out.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Surely it should be: “It would be wrong for the House of Lords to try to thwart Brexit."
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,331
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.

    Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.

    I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.

    Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?

    The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?

    Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.

    I certainly hold a grievance against folk who through ignorance or luddism refuse to use the quote system, particularly when it's a reply to a post not even on this thread.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rkrkrk said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    Jeremy Corbyn: “It is a democratic necessity to abolish the unelected and outdated House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/23/all-future-labour-peers-must-back-abolition-of-lords-says-corbyn
    The NEC is elected, perhaps that would do for Corbyn.
  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. P, should stand her in good stead in this constituency. When UKIP was riding high it got several thousand (I think) votes.

    May, when it comes to shove, is more likely to disappointment the likes of Clark, Morgan etc because, unlike the more hard-line Brexiteers, they cannot raise the numbers to challenge her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    And buttler gone....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    CarlottaVance said:

    He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999667181083295744

    "If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit..." Jeez!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Hope nobody day 4 tickets for the test, because you aren’t going to see anything.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Correction of the day:

    https://twitter.com/pressgazette/status/999641632889765888
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rcs1000 said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    I prefer bicameralism myself, especially as - unusually in the UK - the legislature is also the executive.
    I agree in principle, but we have also developed a close-to-unicameral approach which commands broad public understanding and (I would argue) acceptance.

    Replacement is a far more radical policy than abolition, though I expect vastly more column inches would be used on the abolition bit...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980
    edited May 2018
    Tissue_Price said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords.
    Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
    Who said anything about replacement?
    The 1911 Parliament Act. This, from the Introductory Text:

    "whereas it is intended to substitute for the House of Lords as it at present exists a Second Chamber constituted on a popular instead of hereditary basis, but such substitution cannot be immediately brought into operation"

    107 years and counting ...

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/13/contents
  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    Benpointer said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    He's tweeting....I'm sure mis-spelling Kim Jong Un's name will help...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999667181083295744

    "If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit..." Jeez!
    I think the real target of this might be China. One of the levers China had in their trade talks with Trump was their leverage over Kim. Pulling out unilaterally either says to China "sort your man out, or get him out" or "we have less reason to conciliate on trade"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,855
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I’m not impacted by this but this is a shambles and heartbreaking for so many Liverpool fans.

    https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/999662603789103105?s=21

    That's why I never fly commercial.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    AndyJS said:

    IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.

    Yep, and those opposed to it then are singing the praises now. It's a colossal waste of money in my view.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. Divvie, the eccentricity of the English is why those on the Autism Spectrum fare better here than in any other country. As such, I feel no need to alter my endearingly old-fashioned perspective, and shall withhold complimentary snuff from anyone who disagrees.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,855
    CarlottaVance said:

    A report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies warns that all but two countries in Europe, the UK and France, are outspent by BAE, Lockheed Martin and Boeing when it comes to military research and development.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/iiss-report-three-defence-companies-each-spent-more-on-defence-rd-than-all-but-two-european-countries/

    Given pretty much all military R&D is done by those three companies, then there is going to be a certain amount of inevitability about that. (Plus EADS.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    edited May 2018
    AndyJS said:

    IIRC the Daily Mail was singing the praises of the Lords when they were doing things like trying to block the ban on fox hunting a number of years ago. Opposing an institution just because they're not doing what you want at a particular point in time isn't very convincing.

    What was the question in the Anschluss referendum that the Mail’s one-time friends asked?

    For the sake of clarity, I’m all in favour of Lords reform, but not because of this. I suspect a properly reformed Second Chamber would do very much what the current HoL is doing now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Embarrassingly shit by England.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    England collapse.

    180 for 9
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Quite a heroic rant.....

    https://dominiccummings.com/2018/05/24/on-the-referendum-24j-collins-grandstanding-empty-threats-the-plan-for-a-rematch-against-the-public/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!


    Clutches straw in hope!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Nice to know it's just a normal summer as far as the England cricket team is concerned.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited May 2018
    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    It isnt like they are facing waqar, wasim, mushaq type attack.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    England BREXIT for 184 ....
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495
    CarlottaVance said:

    Quite a heroic rant.....

    https://dominiccummings.com/2018/05/24/on-the-referendum-24j-collins-grandstanding-empty-threats-the-plan-for-a-rematch-against-the-public/

    I see that David Davis has been added to the enemies of Brexit.

    Is Cummings an outrider for Johnson/Gove?
    I am up to the bit in Fall Out where they briefly considered putting the band back together after the disastrous 2017 election.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    OldKingCole said:

    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!


    Clutches straw in hope!
    It's the hope that kills you.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    David_Evershed said:

    OldKingCole said:

    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Wait till Anderson and Broad run through the Pakistan top order before the close!


    Clutches straw in hope!
    It's the hope that kills you.
    I’m Essex; hope worked last year!
    And no none of my female relations wore (or wear) white stilletos. We’re ‘old Essex’!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Drop Cook NOW!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,382
    edited May 2018
    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.

    First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    Stark_Dawning said:

    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Drop Cook NOW!
    Irony’s difficult to post.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited May 2018
    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,382
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
    Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps Henley ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
    Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps Henley ;)
    It'll definitely be in the home counties or outer London.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
    Do they sell such attire in Primari?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited May 2018
    Actually looking back at my GE17 spreadsheet it might be Esher and Walton. Or possibly Hunt's constituency.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
    He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.
    Not totally sure we can afford the booze!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
    Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps Henley ;)
    Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,922
    David_Evershed said:

    England collapse.

    180 for 9

    Thank heavens we played a 'specialist' number 7...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,922
    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
    Shoes are way too subdued.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    TheKitchenCabinet said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
    They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union is
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,382
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
    Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps Henley ;)
    Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.
    I see your Northamptonshire South and raise you a North East Somerset
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/999683021996371968
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    not_on_fire said:

    TheKitchenCabinet said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
    They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union is
    Since the Lords are mostly old, shouldn't they be Leave supporters?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
    He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.
    Not totally sure we can afford the booze!
    I'd heard TSE can put it away ....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    Oh ye of little faith. Pakistan 12-1
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Pro_Rata said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Some good data from Ian Warren being dumped on Twitter now:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/999675478465286144

    Richmond Park probably #1 for Tory remainers.
    Riffing off Maidenhead: Beaconsfield?, Buckingham could've been a contender if not for the Speaker?, perhaps Henley ;)
    Hampshire North East imo. Or maybe Northamptonshire South.
    I see your Northamptonshire South and raise you a North East Somerset
    Doubtful -

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19nmsiGcSCIGWDZJ-YJJYxAwracXkWi-_4jY22XsW_7k/edit#gid=743365475

    Thats my very iffy method (Sheet S3 remain).

    Doesn't scale by 2017 result or absolute vote where Leadsom possibly overtakes Hunt or something.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,018
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Just on demographics, in 1300 England had about 5 million inhabitants. That collapsed to 2.5 million by 1400. Similar declines happened elsewhere.

    Obviously the Black Death was a prime cause, but the numbers actually declined gradually but steadily before that anyway.

    I think it took a couple of centuries to bounce back to the 1300 numbers. How history would've differed is an interesting thing to consider.

    Mr. Divvie, could you let us know how far back grievances are allowed to go?

    The Normans were responsible for a 75% reduction in Yorkshire's population from 1066 to 1086. How grumpy should I be?

    Yes, kids, you've tuned into HistoricalDemography.com.

    Don't get me started on the "Rough Wooing" !
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,904
    CarlottaVance said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    As a house husband, second.

    You do know that said everything about the poster and nothing about you, don't you?

    Wear your badge with pride!

    Well, there's not a badge per se; just bags under my eyes, constant tiredness and frayed nerves ... :)

    And that's only with one child, who is mostly well-behaved and (almost) always fun to be around. I look at the parents with three, four or more kids as superheroes ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited May 2018
    One minute he is ready for a love-in, next he is ready to hit the big red button...you have to presume it was more than Donald got out of the wrong side of the bed surely? Have little rocket man been up to something naughty?

    The US president says he has spoken to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and allied countries and they are "ready" should North Korea carry out "foolish acts".

    He says he is "hopeful" that positive steps can be made but says that if not, "we are more ready than we have ever been before".

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864
    JackW said:

    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the people Blowers runs into need the shades, not blowers...

    https://twitter.com/henrymoeranBBC/status/999676482896220160

    Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
    He’s visiting our local club soon, courtesy of the Lashings tourers.
    Not totally sure we can afford the booze!
    I'd heard TSE can put it away ....
    I thought it was against his religion? But he’d be very welcome. The beer tent at this game is excellent.
  • TheKitchenCabinetTheKitchenCabinet Posts: 2,275
    not_on_fire said:

    TheKitchenCabinet said:

    rottenborough said:

    The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.

    I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.

    They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.

    Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.

    If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
    They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union is
    There are ways and means of doing so. It is as if I went to my boss to disagree about a point. I could say "what about if we think about things this way?" or "you are a f**king idiot, this will be a disaster and I know right". The Lords are acting in the second way when they should be acting in the first.
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