You're OK man. I was trying to describe that comment. For some reason the phrase "reflexively rebarbative" entered my brain. What the heck does that say about me I wonder.
The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union is
There are ways and means of doing so. It is as if I went to my boss to disagree about a point. I could say "what about if we think about things this way?" or "you are a f**king idiot, this will be a disaster and I know right". The Lords are acting in the second way when they should be acting in the first.
The HoL have passed some amendments that the people’s representatives (HoC) will consider and either accept or reject. Surely that’s entirely consistent with the first approach.
The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
If that is the case, then it will be the Lords' fault. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what the reaction would be given their motions and their comments which were blatant in proclaiming "we know best and you are wrong".
They do know far more than the average person about what the Customs Union is
There are ways and means of doing so. It is as if I went to my boss to disagree about a point. I could say "what about if we think about things this way?" or "you are a f**king idiot, this will be a disaster and I know right". The Lords are acting in the second way when they should be acting in the first.
The HoL have passed some amendments that the people’s representatives (HoC) will consider and either accept or reject. Surely that’s entirely consistent with the first approach.
Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.
First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.
Hemsworth up - Normanton and Featherstone definitely hit the left leave pit village button, 20% Kipper at GE15 and 3%ish Lab to Con swing in 17, very typical of the sort of northern seat of metro remainer imagination. Here Lab remain edged Lab leave here 43:42. Prediction intact.
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
Another rather encouraging poll for Labour after yesterday's ComRes also put both main parties neck-and-neck.
Although no real change, so status quo ante?
Most polls before yesterday were giving the Tories a small lead. The two latest ones are a bit better for Lab.
Yeah, but isn't the change more important than the difference polls from other companies? Suppose it depends on when the last MORI poll was, and what the other polls were doing at the time.
Murder is a problem in South Africa, and has been for some decades. The evidence that there is a political motive or an increasing rate of murders of specifically white farmers is not borne out by the facts. It does match the white supremacist agenda of some in the alt.right however. I suspect Ms Hopkins not to be a sufficiently objective reporter to get to the truth, more one who has a pre-formed opinion she wants to push:
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
That would be Andy Burnham apparently who has a Yougov rating of +16%, the highest of any current Labour figure with the firm. Though he is currently engaged as Mayor of Manchester after Labour members rejected him in 2015
This seems odd. She's clearly a committed Leaver; does she feel she cannot pursue that while being a junior member of the government?
If I understand it correctly, she wants to join the growing number of prominent Brexiteers whining that Brexit is shit, but only because they are doing it wrong.
If the Government falls and is replaced by a "we'll do it right" regime, then this could be a shrewd career move...
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
That would be Andy Burnham apparently who has a Yougov rating of +16%, the highest of any current Labour figure with the firm. Though he is currently engaged as Mayor of Manchester after Labour members rejected him in 2015
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
That would be Andy Burnham apparently who has a Yougov rating of +16%, the highest of any current Labour figure with the firm. Though he is currently engaged as Mayor of Manchester after Labour members rejected him in 2015
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
That would be Andy Burnham apparently who has a Yougov rating of +16%, the highest of any current Labour figure with the firm. Though he is currently engaged as Mayor of Manchester after Labour members rejected him in 2015
The Tories are in serious trouble if the best they can do versus Corbyn and McDonnell is tie in the polls.
Considering they were trailing Labour last summer I expect they will settle for that for now. After 8 years in government and 3 consecutive general elections winning most seats it is not easy for any party in power whoever is Leader of the Opposition.
Indeed only 1 party has won most seats in a 4th consecutive general election in the last 50 years, John Major's Tories and they trailed Kinnock's Labour even during much of the election campaign
That is excellent news. One of the worst pieces of legislation we ever adopted and May was a complete idiot opting back into it.
Hopefully we will also not have to abide by the truly awful link tax that the EU is pursuing which will do untold damage to the freedom of the internet.
Yeah, and not sure membership (or not) of the arrest warrant is worth losing sleep over. Sounds great in theory, but in practice there are 27 other member states with different legal systems and burdens of proof. Continuing to work with the EU on things such as intelligence sharing and research and development seem much more important.
That is excellent news. One of the worst pieces of legislation we ever adopted and May was a complete idiot opting back into it.
Hopefully we will also not have to abide by the truly awful link tax that the EU is pursuing which will do untold damage to the freedom of the internet.
It would seem Trump hasn't taken kindly to the insults directed at Pence and Bolton from Pyongyang. It was a pretty crude attempt at "divide and rule" by NK but getting Trump to cancel will be relentlessly portrayed as the warmongering Americans being unable to talk peace with the lovely cuddly friendly North Koreans.
The South Koreans have also been royally stuffed and if this has achieved anything it has probably weakened the relationship between Seoul and Washington which wouldn't be a bad outcome for Pyongyang either. It will be interesting to see if the rapprochement between the Koreas continues even as the leaders of NK and the USA trade words and/or insults.
On matters domestic, I'd very much like to meet one of the five people in the country who actually understands all the nonsense about the UK-Irish border, Customs Unions and Max Factor (who I thought made cosmetics or similar). The blizzard of conflicting, contradictory, self-opinionated commentary and tweets from a barrage of so-called experts have left even old Stodge (and I consider myself one of the brighter lights on the Christmas tree) confused.
Perhaps that's the point - an A50 agreement so full of technobabble, doubletalk and hyperbole it will mean almost anything to almost anybody and will be voted through Parliament by a grateful Conservative Party before you can say "proper scrutiny".
It seems to me the current state of the Conservatives is division between the 1% who are committed LEAVE supporters, 1% who are committed REMAIN supporters and the 98% committed to staying in Government whatever happens faction (itself a coalition between the "we want to be in Government forever" group and the "oh God, if we let Corbyn in, it'll be the end of everything" league).
Yes, there may be a very few Conservatives who would throw their party under the metaphorical bus if BINO was on the table and another tiny number if a really hard Brexit was on offer but most Conservatives seem to be a) tired of talking about Brexit b) incredibly pragmatic and c) desperate to remain in Government (delete as appropriate).
Another rather encouraging poll for Labour after yesterday's ComRes also put both main parties neck-and-neck.
Although no real change, so status quo ante?
Most polls before yesterday were giving the Tories a small lead. The two latest ones are a bit better for Lab.
Yeah, but isn't the change more important than the difference polls from other companies? Suppose it depends on when the last MORI poll was, and what the other polls were doing at the time.
None of it matters in the slightest. Settle down. You would be better off reading the runes.
Bespoke tailoring and styling by TSE of Manchester ....
Do they sell such attire in Primari?
Yes. But I’ve never bought anything in Primani.
Too classy?
Am more likely to do my purchases further down Market Street in Selfridges and in around King Street.
My man of the people credentials are brought into question because of my clothes and shoe shopping.
Apparently not everyone buys £500 plus Gucci Loafers.
King St.. yes, ok... but Market Street? It is just full of trams and doorways smelling of tramp's urine.
I must admit, I've never developed the skill of telling the fragrance of a tramp's urine apart from any other person's urine.
Actually, it is on Mosley St - see edit further down.
It is easy to tell it is Tramp's urine. They sleep in the doors because there is no traffic on Mosley St (just trams) and occasionally they just stand up and pee on the wall near the doorway. You get a really good view from the Met Stop
The HoL was warned it was playing with fire on this one.
I predict one consequence of the inevitable 'betrayal' over Brexit will be a sustained, and eventually successful campaign by the Mail, to get rid of the Lords.
They'll be pushing at an open door once Corbyn is in. As my other prediction is that Labour will surprise on day one of taking office by announcing a quick review and abolition of the Lords and the replacement with something that Momentum feels is more democratic.
Brexit will wreck this country in so many ways.
I doubt very much that there could be any quick replacement of the House of Lords. Labour don't even have a clear model in mind as far as I can tell. My guess would be some form of PR election, potentially with a different election period. They'll want Lib Dem support to get it through and if they are smart they'll try and get some Tories too for added legitimacy.
Who said anything about replacement?
The 1911 Parliament Act. This, from the Introductory Text:
"whereas it is intended to substitute for the House of Lords as it at present exists a Second Chamber constituted on a popular instead of hereditary basis, but such substitution cannot be immediately brought into operation"
“Whereas it is intended to substitute for membership of the European Union as it at present exists a Global Britain constituted on a popular basis, but such substitution cannot be immediately brought into operation”
Another rather encouraging poll for Labour after yesterday's ComRes also put both main parties neck-and-neck.
Although no real change, so status quo ante?
Most polls before yesterday were giving the Tories a small lead. The two latest ones are a bit better for Lab.
Yeah, but isn't the change more important than the difference polls from other companies? Suppose it depends on when the last MORI poll was, and what the other polls were doing at the time.
None of it matters in the slightest. Settle down. You would be better off reading the runes.
Or consulting a handful of seaweed.
This must be your first time visiting PB. Of course we care about the polls
Yeah, and not sure membership (or not) of the arrest warrant is worth losing sleep over. Sounds great in theory, but in practice there are 27 other member states with different legal systems and burdens of proof. Continuing to work with the EU on things such as intelligence sharing and research and development seem much more important.
An organisation that appointed a drug addled failure like Juncker to its top post or Martin Selmayr to anything more demanding than the post of under-janitor doesn't in all likelihood have much intelligence of any sort to share. I think we'd get screwed on that deal even more remorselessly than we're being screwed on Customs.
Prediction: there will be a very Brexitty northern constituency on this list, and Lab remain will edge Lab leave. With the way votes have moved since 2015, that will suggest a fairly large Lab remain majority existed at the previous election.
First up Maidenhead, apparently the constituency with the second largest Tory remain vote in the country. Lol.
Hemsworth up - Normanton and Featherstone definitely hit the left leave pit village button, 20% Kipper at GE15 and 3%ish Lab to Con swing in 17, very typical of the sort of northern seat of metro remainer imagination. Here Lab remain edged Lab leave here 43:42. Prediction intact.
Normanton isn't in Hemsworth constituency.
Its in the constituency of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Amazon?
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Giving the figures to such a high level of accuracy is a bit questionable IMO because they can only be estimates. But it's an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Giving the figures to such a high level of accuracy is a bit questionable IMO because they can only be estimates. But it's an interesting exercise nonetheless.
MRP models are pretty accurate it seems, a la YouGov 2017 model, but yeah, not sure why they couldn't be reported to the nearest 100 voters or whatever the confidence intervals are
@bbclaurak Ok, I m not the person who has noticed this, but potentially new customs transition time, Customs and Regulatory Alignment Period, is an unfortunate acronym
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Petrol wasn't it?
That did increase but by less than it fell in March.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Amazon?
If they're doing well now the aim will be to sell us down the river later.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Enjoy yourself while you’re youngish
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
@bbclaurak Ok, I m not the person who has noticed this, but potentially new customs transition time, Customs and Regulatory Alignment Period, is an unfortunate acronym
6:18 PM - 24 May 2018
Do you think the word "and" was introduced intentionally ?
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
Amazon?
Its a possibility.
Personally I rarely find them as cheap as Tesco, Argos or Ebay but I guess many people look only at Amazon for convenience.
Clicked on an old link, from June 2017. God, Nick Timothy really did screw the country.
The Times has been told that at least one senior official intimately involved in the Brexit negotiations was at one stage prevented from seeing the prime minister by Mr Timothy. Sir Ivan Rogers, who was then Britain’s permanent representative to the EU, tried to alert Mrs May to what he believed were flaws in the government’s understanding of Brussels.
“He was told that he couldn’t write submissions to the prime minister and that everything had to go through the chief of staff,” one insider said.
“He tried to get one-to-one meetings with Mrs May and was rebuffed. Everything that the prime minister saw or heard was controlled by Nick.”
Senior sources said no attempt was made by Sir Jeremy to ensure Sir Ivan got access to Mrs May. Believing he had been frozen out, Sir Ivan quit. A former senior Whitehall figure said that had disastrous consequences for the initial stages of Brexit preparations.
“Losing Ivan Rogers at that point was really bad just as we were preparing our position on Article 50,” they said. “He was ex-Treasury and knew about budgets and financial services and how Brussels works. They just lost that. You’ve ended up with yes men and they’re bloody useless to everybody.”
Sir Ivan’s isolation was possible because the pair ripped up the previous practice in Downing Street that senior civil servants could directly put submissions and papers into the prime minister’s nightly and weekend red boxes.
Under the new regime material seen by the prime minister had to be vetted first either by Mr Timothy or Ms Hill. That not only dismayed Whitehall but gummed up the process of decision-making by inserting a fresh layer of bureaucracy into the No 10 operation.
Clicked on an old link, from June 2017. God, Nick Timothy really did screw the country.
The Times has been told that at least one senior official intimately involved in the Brexit negotiations was at one stage prevented from seeing the prime minister by Mr Timothy. Sir Ivan Rogers, who was then Britain’s permanent representative to the EU, tried to alert Mrs May to what he believed were flaws in the government’s understanding of Brussels.
“He was told that he couldn’t write submissions to the prime minister and that everything had to go through the chief of staff,” one insider said.
“He tried to get one-to-one meetings with Mrs May and was rebuffed. Everything that the prime minister saw or heard was controlled by Nick.”
Senior sources said no attempt was made by Sir Jeremy to ensure Sir Ivan got access to Mrs May. Believing he had been frozen out, Sir Ivan quit. A former senior Whitehall figure said that had disastrous consequences for the initial stages of Brexit preparations.
“Losing Ivan Rogers at that point was really bad just as we were preparing our position on Article 50,” they said. “He was ex-Treasury and knew about budgets and financial services and how Brussels works. They just lost that. You’ve ended up with yes men and they’re bloody useless to everybody.”
Sir Ivan’s isolation was possible because the pair ripped up the previous practice in Downing Street that senior civil servants could directly put submissions and papers into the prime minister’s nightly and weekend red boxes.
Under the new regime material seen by the prime minister had to be vetted first either by Mr Timothy or Ms Hill. That not only dismayed Whitehall but gummed up the process of decision-making by inserting a fresh layer of bureaucracy into the No 10 operation.
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
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And thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_amendment
Tories 40%
Labour 40%
LDs 7%
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/999647491632128001
Since Corbyn's personal rating is (apparently) so important, think how far Labour would be ahead with someone that the great English electorate even half rated.
https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-statistics-farm-attacks-murders-sa/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-latest-prisoners-on-day-release-to-plug-workforce-gaps-after-britain-leaves-eu-a3847551.html?amp
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Andy_Burnham
If the Government falls and is replaced by a "we'll do it right" regime, then this could be a shrewd career move...
https://twitter.com/BBCJamesCook/status/999708304816324611
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Ruth_Davidson
Indeed only 1 party has won most seats in a 4th consecutive general election
in the last 50 years, John Major's Tories and they trailed Kinnock's Labour even during much of the election campaign
Don't forget to take your towel with you when you leave home tomorrow.
But if you do forget. Don't Panic!
Seems clear enough to me.
Hopefully we will also not have to abide by the truly awful link tax that the EU is pursuing which will do untold damage to the freedom of the internet.
It would seem Trump hasn't taken kindly to the insults directed at Pence and Bolton from Pyongyang. It was a pretty crude attempt at "divide and rule" by NK but getting Trump to cancel will be relentlessly portrayed as the warmongering Americans being unable to talk peace with the lovely cuddly friendly North Koreans.
The South Koreans have also been royally stuffed and if this has achieved anything it has probably weakened the relationship between Seoul and Washington which wouldn't be a bad outcome for Pyongyang either. It will be interesting to see if the rapprochement between the Koreas continues even as the leaders of NK and the USA trade words and/or insults.
On matters domestic, I'd very much like to meet one of the five people in the country who actually understands all the nonsense about the UK-Irish border, Customs Unions and Max Factor (who I thought made cosmetics or similar). The blizzard of conflicting, contradictory, self-opinionated commentary and tweets from a barrage of so-called experts have left even old Stodge (and I consider myself one of the brighter lights on the Christmas tree) confused.
Perhaps that's the point - an A50 agreement so full of technobabble, doubletalk and hyperbole it will mean almost anything to almost anybody and will be voted through Parliament by a grateful Conservative Party before you can say "proper scrutiny".
It seems to me the current state of the Conservatives is division between the 1% who are committed LEAVE supporters, 1% who are committed REMAIN supporters and the 98% committed to staying in Government whatever happens faction (itself a coalition between the "we want to be in Government forever" group and the "oh God, if we let Corbyn in, it'll be the end of everything" league).
Yes, there may be a very few Conservatives who would throw their party under the metaphorical bus if BINO was on the table and another tiny number if a really hard Brexit was on offer but most Conservatives seem to be a) tired of talking about Brexit b) incredibly pragmatic and c) desperate to remain in Government (delete as appropriate).
Thanks for the reminder
My man of the people credentials are brought into question because of my clothes and shoe shopping.
Apparently not everyone buys £500 plus Gucci Loafers.
[Edit: I have mixed Market St with Mosley St. Silly of me]
I've only been coming to Manchester for the last 15 years or so.
Or consulting a handful of seaweed.
This maybe because I'm usually the first one into work and there's a tramp sleeping in our doorway.
It is easy to tell it is Tramp's urine. They sleep in the doors because there is no traffic on Mosley St (just trams) and occasionally they just stand up and pee on the wall near the doorway. You get a really good view from the Met Stop
Byyeeee!!!!!!
Fixed it for you
I've never been keen on the European arrest warrant.
At least the police and NHS won't be able to pursue the parents of terminally ill children across Europe...
4–5 Dec 2017 62-26
25 Jan 2018 56-29
16–17 Apr 2018 47-28
14–15 May 2018 44-32
Yes as % of Yes and No:
4–5 Dec 2017 70%
25 Jan 2018 66%
16–17 Apr 2018 63%
14–15 May 2018 58%
Its in the constituency of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford.
There's a clue in the name
Given how many retail chains are struggling and how many boarded up shops there are there must be some businesses doing very well to balance these out.
I would get out more but making bad puns is much more fun.
Quote of today’s meetings “A cow is a cow whatever way you look at it”
I need Nighthawks!
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@bbclaurak
Ok, I m not the person who has noticed this, but potentially new customs transition time, Customs and Regulatory Alignment Period, is an unfortunate acronym
6:18 PM - 24 May 2018
That's true - especially if it's a Spherical Cow.
Thames waits for no man, no matter how Volga. But I guess you’re in deNile. Don’t work it’ll all come out in the Wash
Personally I rarely find them as cheap as Tesco, Argos or Ebay but I guess many people look only at Amazon for convenience.
The Times has been told that at least one senior official intimately involved in the Brexit negotiations was at one stage prevented from seeing the prime minister by Mr Timothy. Sir Ivan Rogers, who was then Britain’s permanent representative to the EU, tried to alert Mrs May to what he believed were flaws in the government’s understanding of Brussels.
“He was told that he couldn’t write submissions to the prime minister and that everything had to go through the chief of staff,” one insider said.
“He tried to get one-to-one meetings with Mrs May and was rebuffed. Everything that the prime minister saw or heard was controlled by Nick.”
Senior sources said no attempt was made by Sir Jeremy to ensure Sir Ivan got access to Mrs May. Believing he had been frozen out, Sir Ivan quit. A former senior Whitehall figure said that had disastrous consequences for the initial stages of Brexit preparations.
“Losing Ivan Rogers at that point was really bad just as we were preparing our position on Article 50,” they said. “He was ex-Treasury and knew about budgets and financial services and how Brussels works. They just lost that. You’ve ended up with yes men and they’re bloody useless to everybody.”
Sir Ivan’s isolation was possible because the pair ripped up the previous practice in Downing Street that senior civil servants could directly put submissions and papers into the prime minister’s nightly and weekend red boxes.
Under the new regime material seen by the prime minister had to be vetted first either by Mr Timothy or Ms Hill. That not only dismayed Whitehall but gummed up the process of decision-making by inserting a fresh layer of bureaucracy into the No 10 operation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/how-civil-servants-lived-in-fearof-the-terrible-twins-at-no-10-8smxqj6jw?CMP=Sprkr-_-Editorial-_-thetimes-_-Politics-_-Imageandlink-_-Statement-_-Unspecified-_-TWITTER&linkId=38798243
*Nobody* comes out of it well, but Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill worst of all.
Who's to blame?
Cameron for resigning without sorting this out.
Or Gove for stabbing Boris in the back and letter May have an easy ride.