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One more reason for May to stay in post so there is no vacancy:
https://twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/9974336934835200000 -
'whispering campaign' ?!Gardenwalker said:
So why is it the Brexiters leading the whispering campaign?Pulpstar said:
It isn't really about the position of speaker. If past speakers Weatherill, Boothroyd or future speaker Hoyle were in the chair there'd be no issue. Also I do not recall hearing anything about Brexit from the former black rod David Leakey either for or against.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
To dismiss all the alegations against Bercow as some sort of Brexiteer plot is lazy thinking, it is nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with bullying.
Andrew Sinclair, Kate Emms and David Leakey have all shouted from the rooftops that his behaviour was beyond the pale. Are they all Tory Brexiteers too ?0 -
But if the UK dismantles all import controls then the EU will insist on customs checks on all goods sent from the UK to the EU. As a result of which many manufacturing supply chains would collapse.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure how you see that. dismantling those import controls at Dover actually makes things better for our supply chains.0 -
It was utterly extraordinary that he should have had a "Bollocks to Brexit" sticker in his car, given his position.MaxPB said:
Or more likely, friends of Bercow are trying to obfuscate his bad behaviour and blame it on Brexit somehow. He's a complete nincompoop.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
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It is to do with bullying, and some of the allegations are quite serious. But it's to do with partisanship as well.Pulpstar said:
It isn't really about the position of speaker. If past speakers Weatherill, Boothroyd or future speaker Hoyle were in the chair there'd be no issue. Also I do not recall hearing anything about Brexit from the former black rod David Leakey either for or against.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
To dismiss all the alegations against Bercow as some sort of Brexiteer plot is lazy thinking, it is nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with bullying.0 -
The EU is also keen to stress that Britain will only be able to remain in the single market beyond transition – as Varadkar suggested – if it adheres to its four freedoms, including the free movement of people.williamglenn said:
Yeah....that's gonna fly.....(even if nothing else is...)0 -
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!0 -
There has always been a vein of discontent with Bercow, as TSE points out colourfully upthread. Personally, I think he’s done his time and should retire.Pulpstar said:
'whispering campaign' ?!Gardenwalker said:
So why is it the Brexiters leading the whispering campaign?Pulpstar said:
It isn't really about the position of speaker. If past speakers Weatherill, Boothroyd or future speaker Hoyle were in the chair there'd be no issue. Also I do not recall hearing anything about Brexit from the former black rod David Leakey either for or against.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
To dismiss all the alegations against Bercow as some sort of Brexiteer plot is lazy thinking, it is nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with bullying.
Andrew Sinclair, Kate Emms and David Leakey have all shouted from the rooftops that his behaviour was beyond the pale. Are they all Tory Brexiteers too ?
But the news I responded to was the claim that Brexiters were behind the latest push to dislodge him. Presumably because he doesn’t share their idees fixes.0 -
It comes to something when Tory backbenchers are called out on their lack of realism by Douglas Carswell.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/9974332340016783360 -
It isn't. Next.Gardenwalker said:
So why is it the Brexiters leading the whispering campaign?Pulpstar said:
It isn't really about the position of speaker. If past speakers Weatherill, Boothroyd or future speaker Hoyle were in the chair there'd be no issue. Also I do not recall hearing anything about Brexit from the former black rod David Leakey either for or against.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
To dismiss all the alegations against Bercow as some sort of Brexiteer plot is lazy thinking, it is nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with bullying.0 -
My original post was somewhat in jest, but the usual suspects have gone off the deep end comme d’habitude.Tissue_Price said:
It is to do with bullying, and some of the allegations are quite serious. But it's to do with partisanship as well.Pulpstar said:
It isn't really about the position of speaker. If past speakers Weatherill, Boothroyd or future speaker Hoyle were in the chair there'd be no issue. Also I do not recall hearing anything about Brexit from the former black rod David Leakey either for or against.Gardenwalker said:
The Speaker joins the Lords, the judiciary, the BBC, the Bank of England, the universities, and the Good Friday Agreement on the list of British institutions to denigrate.Scott_P said:Paul Brand - @PaulBrandITV: MP loyal to Bercow tells me it’s Brexiteers who’ve been plotting to remove Speaker and claims Leadsom has been ‘briefing against him for weeks’ and ‘lost it’ over way he dealt with East Coast Rail announcement in Commons. Rival camps are quickly forming.
To dismiss all the alegations against Bercow as some sort of Brexiteer plot is lazy thinking, it is nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with bullying.0 -
Yes well we are not going to stay in the single market beyond transition anyway regulatory alignment in relation to Ireland notwithstandingCarlottaVance said:
The EU is also keen to stress that Britain will only be able to remain in the single market beyond transition – as Varadkar suggested – if it adheres to its four freedoms, including the free movement of people.williamglenn said:
Yeah....that's gonna fly.....(even if nothing else is...)0 -
Good to hear that, Cyclefree. My youngest brother is similarly finally in paid and stimulating employment (having dropped out of a very good university a few years ago and essentially done nothing much since whilst living with my parents).Cyclefree said:My own son - who has had a very troubled time making the transition into adulthood (and is by no means completely out of the woods yet) - has started on his first proper job and is, touch wood etc, so far finding it interesting and enjoyable. It is so lovely seeing him excited and feeling hopeful.
One never stops worrying as a parent, of course, but to breathe a little sigh of relief is so precious. I imagine there must be some of that for his family in seeing Harry embark on such a momentous stage of life.
I hesitate ever to give parenting advice but to those with very young children all I would say is that the early years, hard as it may seem if you're in the middle of them, are easy. It is the teenage years and beyond which test you - and your children - in ways that you can never, in your wildest nightmares, imagine. I am grateful that all three are still speaking to me and happy to spend time in my company.
I have three young children who of course already challenge in different ways - but having had much younger siblings myself has stood me in good stead for knowing what is to come.0 -
Manufacturing components are not subject to tariffs. If we continue to voluntarily match EU regulations in any post-cliff edge period, the EU would have no basis under WTO rules to block exports or even slow them down. If they do so they will simply be hurting their own economy for no reason. Remember, supply chains do work outside the EU all the time. Industry would just need a little time to adapt.anothernick said:
But if the UK dismantles all import controls then the EU will insist on customs checks on all goods sent from the UK to the EU. As a result of which many manufacturing supply chains would collapse.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure how you see that. dismantling those import controls at Dover actually makes things better for our supply chains.0 -
Turnbull's party may have elements of corporatism but it is generally pro free market and for lower taxes and spending and more pro workfare than Labor, it is certainly not socialist.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Howard supporting family values is a conservative position in line with the Nationals element of the Coalition and certainly not a socialist one0 -
Not really. Like Dan Hannan Carswell was in favour of an EFTA type Brexit.williamglenn said:It comes to something when Tory backbenchers are called out on their lack of realism by Douglas Carswell.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/997433234001678336
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The last time the Speaker faced a whispering campaign, precisely one MP broke cover. It seems that the opposition to him has grown substantially since then, but it's unclear:
1) whether those opponents want rid of him straight away; and
2) how numerous they are anyway.
100 MPs breaking cover would be sufficient in practice to make his position untenable: he needs to command the confidence of the whole House. But who will bell the cat, and are there actually 100 MPs who oppose him?0 -
Is this the best way for Labour to spend money in a council they just re-gained in one of the poorest areas in England?
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/politics/cabinet-members-at-tower-hamlets-to-pay-themselves-double-allowances-1-55235530 -
"I actually think he's rather a good Speaker," Ms Leadsom said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26320940
"He certainly defends the backbenches very well in terms of their right to speak. He keeps us all to order."
Ms Leadsom pointed out that she had been elected in 2010 and therefore had not experienced at first hand the methods of any of his predecessors in the chair.
"But I understand he gets through the questions, so he gives loads of people the chance to have their say.
"So actually in terms of chairing he's pretty good, but I don't like him insulting colleagues.
"He's as bad as anyone when it comes to personal insults, and sometimes it's funny but other times it's just downright quite hurtful."
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It sounds awful - maybe you should emigrate, but not to the UK please. We are busy deporting people, not welcoming them in.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Try the USA. They believe in wiping socialism from the face of the Earth and everyone for him/herself.0 -
He was indoctrinated so it's hardly necessary to say that what Hannan thought, he thought.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not really. Like Dan Hannan Carswell was in favour of an EFTA type Brexit.williamglenn said:It comes to something when Tory backbenchers are called out on their lack of realism by Douglas Carswell.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/997433234001678336
Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit0 -
Perhaps Archer101au should move to Alabama, it might still be a little too left liberal for him but I expect he would cope!Beverley_C said:
It sounds awful - maybe you should emigrate, but not to the UK please. We are busy deporting people, not welcoming them in.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Try the USA. They believe in wiping socialism from the face of the Earth and everyone for him/herself.0 -
No difference to now on the way in. Goods will be blocked by the EU's MFN schedules on the way out. This is enough to kill several key UK industries. Exports matter. And, yes, the EU will affected too, but it will live with that. Its industries won't be destroyed by a hard border on the English Channel. In any case it is constrained by its own WTO schedules that require it to apply MFN treatment to UK imports, absent an FTA with that country. Bottom line, there is for us no best alternative to negotiated agreement with the EU.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure how you see that. dismantling those import controls at Dover actually makes things better for our supply chains.FF43 said:
Interesting ideas. Brexiteers are correct that unilateral dismantling of import controls makes the Irish border an EU problem. The issue though is that Dover becomes OUR problem. This plan shutters trade out of the UK into the EU. It kills industries in the UK that rely on supply chains or are highly regulated: car manufacturing, aviation manufacturing, chemicals, pharmaceuticals and farming and fishing that relies on exports. The context is a fullscale economic and political crisis.
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I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party may have elements of corporatism but it is generally pro free market and for lower taxes and spending and more pro workfare than Labor, it is certainly not socialist.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Howard supporting family values is a conservative position in line with the Nationals element of the Coalition and certainly not a socialist one0 -
Yes. Let us do it. JRM4PMrottenborough said:One more reason for May to stay in post so there is no vacancy:
https://twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/997433693483520000
I wonder if he would have the nerve or would he turn and run. He is a great talker, I wonder if he is actually capable of doing anything else because he just appears to trot out highly simplistic, rose-coloured solutions.0 -
anyone would think they really, really don't want that really, really big cheque from us.....CarlottaVance said:
The EU is also keen to stress that Britain will only be able to remain in the single market beyond transition – as Varadkar suggested – if it adheres to its four freedoms, including the free movement of people.williamglenn said:
Yeah....that's gonna fly.....(even if nothing else is...)0 -
If we voluntarily match EU regulations then we cannot remove all controls on imports as we would have to ensure imported goods met EU standards.archer101au said:
Manufacturing components are not subject to tariffs. If we continue to voluntarily match EU regulations in any post-cliff edge period, the EU would have no basis under WTO rules to block exports or even slow them down. If they do so they will simply be hurting their own economy for no reason. Remember, supply chains do work outside the EU all the time. Industry would just need a little time to adapt.anothernick said:
But if the UK dismantles all import controls then the EU will insist on customs checks on all goods sent from the UK to the EU. As a result of which many manufacturing supply chains would collapse.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure how you see that. dismantling those import controls at Dover actually makes things better for our supply chains.
And I think you would find that many industries would "adapt" to this situation by moving production to facilities inside the EU.0 -
I'd hope MPs of Brexiteer, Remainer and indifferent stripes would have the courage to ask the allegations into his behaviour (From mutliple non partisan sources) to be properly investigated.AlastairMeeks said:The last time the Speaker faced a whispering campaign, precisely one MP broke cover. It seems that the opposition to him has grown substantially since then, but it's unclear:
1) whether those opponents want rid of him straight away; and
2) how numerous they are anyway.
100 MPs breaking cover would be sufficient in practice to make his position untenable: he needs to command the confidence of the whole House. But who will bell the cat, and are there actually 100 MPs who oppose him?
I believe it will probably be only at most a handful of Tory Brexiteers that do so.
I think @Gardenwalker is looking through the partisanship lens backwards on this one. Bercow is the alleged insitgator, not the victim of bullying.
The partisanship for keeping him in place is with remain and opposition facing MPs.0 -
Cyclefree said:
Completely off topic.
My own son - who has had a very troubled time making the transition into adulthood (and is by no means completely out of the woods yet) - has started on his first proper job and is, touch wood etc, so far finding it interesting and enjoyable. It is so lovely seeing him excited and feeling hopeful.
I am glad to hear that things are working out for you both
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Good luck to Cyclefree Jr and I hope he will keep riding confidently without stabilisers!
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Only 98 can beat 2000 here!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ha!logical_song said:Only 98 can beat 2000 here!
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All of which completely negates what you just said about him in your earlier posting. Please do try for some consistency even if it is being consistently wrong.williamglenn said:
He was indoctrinated so it's hardly necessary to say that what Hannan thought, he thought.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not really. Like Dan Hannan Carswell was in favour of an EFTA type Brexit.williamglenn said:It comes to something when Tory backbenchers are called out on their lack of realism by Douglas Carswell.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/997433234001678336
Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit0 -
John Bercow should definitely stop trying to belittle people.0
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Yes, 'Attila the Pinko' I imagineFoxy said:
I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party may have elements of corporatism but it is generally pro free market and for lower taxes and spending and more pro workfare than Labor, it is certainly not socialist.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Howard supporting family values is a conservative position in line with the Nationals element of the Coalition and certainly not a socialist one0 -
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.0 -
As I said yesterday, @archer101au gets some gentle mockery on here but he’s called it right so far.HYUFD said:
Yes, 'Attila the Pinko' I imagineFoxy said:
I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party may have elements of corporatism but it is generally pro free market and for lower taxes and spending and more pro workfare than Labor, it is certainly not socialist.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting any ability to negotiate terms with their employees. They raise these wages every year across the whole economy whether or not individual sectors and industries are growing. Even Corbyn would not be brave enough to suggest that. They also support a law that makes it an offence to offend someone. They have just supported an education funding system that throws even more money at schools in poor areas (who already get more money than they know what to do with) and takes it away from successful schools. They have consistently passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Howard supporting family values is a conservative position in line with the Nationals element of the Coalition and certainly not a socialist one
The next climbdown will be on the single market, with FOM coming into play.0 -
Not really. He's still echoing Hannan in saying that Brexiteers should compromise (by which he means implement Hannan's preferred approach).Richard_Tyndall said:
All of which completely negates what you just said about him in your earlier posting. Please do try for some consistency even if it is being consistently wrong.williamglenn said:
He was indoctrinated so it's hardly necessary to say that what Hannan thought, he thought.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not really. Like Dan Hannan Carswell was in favour of an EFTA type Brexit.williamglenn said:It comes to something when Tory backbenchers are called out on their lack of realism by Douglas Carswell.
https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/997433234001678336
Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP, was convinced by Hannan that Britain should pull out, in the autumn of 1993. “When I heard Boris Johnson and all those others making those brilliant points they made,” Carswell told me recently, “I thought, ‘Compare it to making a film: these guys on the silver screen are brilliant. But the script is written by Hannan, and this is largely a Hannan production.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit0 -
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd0 -
He can't help being one of the little people.....JonnyJimmy said:John Bercow should definitely stop trying to belittle people.
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Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
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Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UKGardenwalker said:
As I said yesterday, @archer101au gets some gentle mockery on here but he’s called it right so far.HYUFD said:
Yes, 'Attila the Pinko' I imagineFoxy said:
I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party may have elements of corporatism but it is generally pro free market and for lower taxes and spending and more pro workfare than Labor, it is certainly not socialist.archer101au said:
Turnbull's party supports a system in which ex-trade union leaders, masquerading as judges, set wages and work conditions for huge parts of the economy without employers getting y passed legislation that removes the right to silence (20 times and counting).HYUFD said:
Turnbull's party is not socialist it is liberal, his coalition partners the Nationals are small c rural conservatives, Labor are more social democratic and union dominated as you suggest but the only real socialist party in Australia is the Greens. One Nation offer the populist conservative alternative. Australia does have a problem at the moment with both parties offering giveaways but John Howard I think managed to leave a balanced budget as PM.
Australia I agree does need to diversify a bit more longer term but with one of the highest GDP per capitas and net asset wealths per person in the world and one of the the lowest population densities in the world and great weather at the moment as you say it is a great place to live and with English the main language too and a similar culture to the UK it is no surprise Australia is easily the biggest destination for UK emigrants
John Howard brought in a system in which virtually every family in Australia (except the rich, of course) get handouts for having children and extra handouts if one parent doesn't choose to work to support them.
Liberal? You must be kidding!
Howard supporting family values is a conservative position in line with the Nationals element of the Coalition and certainly not a socialist one
The next climbdown will be on the single market, with FOM coming into play.0 -
Nevertheless, in a sense he's right though. In my experience Australia is one of the most culturally socialist western countries you'll ever visit...though perhaps "egalitarian" is a better word than socialist in this context, as with Scandinavia. A decade ago I worked for a multi-billionaire Russian who bought a mine in Western Australia, I'll never forget travelling with him on-site to inspect his new purchase and the, erm, earthy way the workers spoke to him. Thinks were said which would be absolutely impossible to say in a similar situation in England, let alone Russia. Your average Oz worker has no hesitation whatsoever in telling the boss to piss off if he believes he needs to, no matter who it is.Foxy said:
I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.
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Yes republicans are interested as it gives them something else to protest aboutGardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
Australia has always had a less deferential more egalitarian culture but it spends just 35% of its GDP on public services, one of the lowest levels in the West, which is far from socialism.HHemmelig said:
Nevertheless, in a sense he's right though. In my experience Australia is one of the most culturally socialist western countries you'll ever visit...though perhaps "egalitarian" is a better word than socialist in this context, as with Scandinavia. A decade ago I worked for a multi-billionaire Russian who bought a mine in Western Australia, I'll never forget travelling with him on-site to inspect his new purchase and the, erm, earthy way the workers spoke to him. Thinks were said which would be absolutely impossible to say in a similar situation in England, let alone Russia. Your average Oz worker has no hesitation whatsoever in telling the boss to piss off if he believes he needs to, no matter who it is.Foxy said:
I suspect that our Australian poster would find Atilla the Hun rather too left wing for his liking.
Indeed George Osborne was castigated by the British left for even considering setting a 35% of GDP public spending target over here0 -
Components are subject to tariffs. eg gear box on a motor vehicle is 4.5%. The vehicle itself, eg diesel with less than 2500cc is 16%. These are duties that aren't applied currently. Processing costs go on top of that. "Voluntary matching" of regulations isn't a concept. Every piece of imported machinery will need type approval for import into the EU.Components also need type approval. So a car with 3000 components will need a lot of testing. You will also need to certify your production with EU authorities. Finally you will need to document every piece that passes the border.archer101au said:
Manufacturing components are not subject to tariffs. If we continue to voluntarily match EU regulations in any post-cliff edge period, the EU would have no basis under WTO rules to block exports or even slow them down. If they do so they will simply be hurting their own economy for no reason. Remember, supply chains do work outside the EU all the time. Industry would just need a little time to adapt.anothernick said:
But if the UK dismantles all import controls then the EU will insist on customs checks on all goods sent from the UK to the EU. As a result of which many manufacturing supply chains would collapse.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure how you see that. dismantling those import controls at Dover actually makes things better for our supply chains.0 -
Those of us who have spent time living abroad realise that there’s a big, wide and fast-growing world outside the confines of the EU.Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling.0 -
Having spent the weekend protesting about constitutional monarchy, they will then get back to work preparing to protest when President Trump arrives in UK.HYUFD said:
Yes republicans are interested as it gives them something else to protest aboutGardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
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It's a silly conceit that the EU is some kind of backwater and that 'escaping' it will allow us to match the grow rates of the developing world.Sandpit said:
Those of us who have spent time living abroad realise that there’s a big, wide and fast-growing world outside the confines of the EU.Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling.0 -
A former chair of the Prime Minister’s Brexit policy board writes:
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He can't elf himself!JonnyJimmy said:John Bercow should definitely stop trying to belittle people.
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Not so sure about the bored bit. Here's Goodwin, part of a long thread on electoral changes in the west:HHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9972043994863575040 -
Yes, without ever getting the irony about wanting to replace a monarch with a president then protesting against the most famous President in the world!rottenborough said:
Having spent the weekend protesting about constitutional monarchy, they will then get back to work preparing to protest when President Trump arrives in UK.HYUFD said:
Yes republicans are interested as it gives them something else to protest aboutGardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
It's almost as if they don't realise the internet exists for other people too....Tissue_Price said:0 -
Maybe but it would still technically end FoMHHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK0 -
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
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Indeed. I suppose they will argue he's an aberration. But can they be so sure the UK wouldn't fall for the same kind of nonsense and elect, say, Farage?HYUFD said:
Yes, without ever getting the irony about wanting to replace a monarch with a president then protesting against the most famous President in the world!rottenborough said:
Having spent the weekend protesting about constitutional monarchy, they will then get back to work preparing to protest when President Trump arrives in UK.HYUFD said:
Yes republicans are interested as it gives them something else to protest aboutGardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
My hypothesis, which would need testing, is that the EU would allow some constraints on Freedom of Movement if we signed up for the full SM+CU package. Freedom of Movement isn't a first order priority for them. It would, I am sure, insist:HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
- The constraints are based on agreed rules eg The UK might be able to require a job offer before allowing residence. It would not be able to refuse residence on internal criteria so the UK was making its own immigration decisions and, as it were, is "in control of its own borders".
- Citizens of all EU countries get equal treatment.
These constraints would then be reciprocated by the EU on UK citizens.
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I'm not sure "ethnic change" is really what it's about. I think any such anxiety is likely outweighed by cultural anxieties ?rottenborough said:
Not so sure about the bored bit. Here's Goodwin, part of a long thread on electoral changes in the west:HHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9972043994863575040 -
Religious change as much as ethnic, I would suggest.rottenborough said:
Not so sure about the bored bit. Here's Goodwin, part of a long thread on electoral changes in the west:HHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9972043994863575040 -
And it might be enough to keep the majority of Leave voters acquiescent whilst not derailing the economy, especially as immigration has already started to decline in any case.HYUFD said:
Maybe but it would still technically end FoMHHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
I see this as May's most likely route to navigating a surviveable Brexit - cliff edge would be an absolute disaster.0 -
Is Ranil Jayawardena any good?
I've never heard of him but just noticed he's 25/1 for next PM with Betfair and PP0 -
I suggest the Tories pick a local councillor who held their seat in the local elections to regain KensingtonHHemmelig said:
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
Would ending free movement for Europeans really assuage people's concerns about either of them?MarqueeMark said:
Religious change as much as ethnic, I would suggest.rottenborough said:
Not so sure about the bored bit. Here's Goodwin, part of a long thread on electoral changes in the west:HHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9972043994863575040 -
Indeed, Kings William and Charles would be far more to their pro environment, pro diversity, liberal tastes than a President Faragerottenborough said:
Indeed. I suppose they will argue he's an aberration. But can they be so sure the UK wouldn't fall for the same kind of nonsense and elect, say, Farage?HYUFD said:
Yes, without ever getting the irony about wanting to replace a monarch with a president then protesting against the most famous President in the world!rottenborough said:
Having spent the weekend protesting about constitutional monarchy, they will then get back to work preparing to protest when President Trump arrives in UK.HYUFD said:
Yes republicans are interested as it gives them something else to protest aboutGardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
It’s saying how unbearably unpleasant the U.K. has become and then going to a place that is worse on the measures he complains aboutStereotomy said:
I thought hypocrisy was saying one thing and doing another. Not sure saying one thing and going on holiday to a place where people say another really countsCharles said:
No one cares about Alastair having a house in HungaryGardenwalker said:
You forgot Max who was in Switzerland, though think he’s back now.Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling.
The funny thing that many also harangue Mr Meeks for having the effrontery to keep a holiday home in Hungary.
We do find it a little hypocritical of him to complain about how unpleasant and xenophobic the U.K. while choosing to spend so much of his time in Hungary...0 -
What the EU should really do is offer the UK equivalence to the transition controls on free movement Blair refused to take in 2004, at least for 7 years as most other EU nations hadFF43 said:
My hypothesis, which would need testing, is that the EU would allow some constraints on Freedom of Movement if we signed up for the full SM+CU package. Freedom of Movement isn't a first order priority for them. It would, I am sure, insist:HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
- The constraints are based on agreed rules eg The UK might be able to require a job offer before allowing residence. It would not be able to refuse residence on internal criteria so the UK was making its own immigration decisions and, as it were, is "in control of its own borders".
- Citizens of all EU countries get equal treatment.
These constraints would then be reciprocated by the EU on UK citizens.0 -
AgreedHHemmelig said:
And it might be enough to keep the majority of Leave voters acquiescent whilst not derailing the economy, especially as immigration has already started to decline in any case.HYUFD said:
Maybe but it would still technically end FoMHHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK
I see this as May's most likely route to navigating a surviveable Brexit - cliff edge would be an absolute disaster.0 -
Or, given her age (63), she's just decided to say what she thinks for 5 years?HHemmelig said:
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
Or perhaps the local Tories will revert to their pre-Borwick habit of selecting a faded celebrity candidate cf Clark, Portillo, Rifkind (and nearly Boris). George Osborne perhaps the obvious candidate, though perhaps he wouldn't like the possible humiliation of being defeated by Labour. Had Boris been selected for Kensington in 2015 instead of Uxbridge I wonder if the Tories would still have lost the seat.HYUFD said:
I suggest the Tories pick a local councillor who held their seat in the local elections to regain KensingtonHHemmelig said:
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
Yeah, Brexit, North Korea, Royal Wedding, Bercow, Israel, Irish border blah blah.
But more importantly, we have a colleague leaving today who has brought food in for lunch. I am currently enjoying pineapple on pizza.
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It's joys like that which make life worth living. Well done, your son!Cyclefree said:Completely off topic.
Nonetheless.
Can I just say what a nice gesture it is for Prince Charles to walk his future daughter-in-law down the aisle. Both welcoming and thoughtful. I hope the day goes well for Harry and Meghan. No need to go over the top just because they're Royals but it is nice to see people happy, to see how Harry has grown up into a fine young man and to wish them both well for the future.
My own son - who has had a very troubled time making the transition into adulthood (and is by no means completely out of the woods yet) - has started on his first proper job and is, touch wood etc, so far finding it interesting and enjoyable. It is so lovely seeing him excited and feeling hopeful.
One never stops worrying as a parent, of course, but to breathe a little sigh of relief is so precious. I imagine there must be some of that for his family in seeing Harry embark on such a momentous stage of life.
I hesitate ever to give parenting advice but to those with very young children all I would say is that the early years, hard as it may seem if you're in the middle of them, are easy. It is the teenage years and beyond which test you - and your children - in ways that you can never, in your wildest nightmares, imagine. I am grateful that all three are still speaking to me and happy to spend time in my company.0 -
Doesn't look as if there was any kind of Boris boost in Uxbridge though. In fact even the UKIP vote seemed to go predominately to Labour.HHemmelig said:
Or perhaps the local Tories will revert to their pre-Borwick habit of selecting a faded celebrity candidate cf Clark, Portillo, Rifkind (and nearly Boris). George Osborne perhaps the obvious candidate, though perhaps he wouldn't like the possible humiliation of being defeated by Labour. Had Boris been selected for Kensington in 2015 instead of Uxbridge I wonder if the Tories would still have lost the seat.HYUFD said:
I suggest the Tories pick a local councillor who held their seat in the local elections to regain KensingtonHHemmelig said:
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
The probability of him becoming the next Prime Minister must be smaller than 4%, surely ?JonnyJimmy said:Is Ranil Jayawardena any good?
I've never heard of him but just noticed he's 25/1 for next PM with Betfair and PP0 -
Beverley_C said:
That is why they are called "Leavers". They have left ....Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling.
Ah! Thanks for clarifying
I was obviously being unkind in my assumption that they liked pontificating from the sidelines safe in the knowledge that their deranged project won't impact them.0 -
The best reason to maintain Bercow in post is that the government again has its dabs all over the evidence. They failed miserably with the Hague catastrophe and deserve to fail again.
The default position should invariably be if the government wants a Speaker out then the Commons should assert their authority and advise the executive to keep their "f*cking useless" hands off.0 -
They did that when the seat was Kensington and Chelsea and ultra safe, now Kensington is an ultra marginal Labour seat and Chelsea and Fulham the safe Tory seat.HHemmelig said:
Or perhaps the local Tories will revert to their pre-Borwick habit of selecting a faded celebrity candidate cf Clark, Portillo, Rifkind (and nearly Boris). George Osborne perhaps the obvious candidate, though perhaps he wouldn't like the possible humiliation of being defeated by Labour. Had Boris been selected for Kensington in 2015 instead of Uxbridge I wonder if the Tories would still have lost the seat.HYUFD said:
I suggest the Tories pick a local councillor who held their seat in the local elections to regain KensingtonHHemmelig said:
I suspect Dent Coad will find it very hard to hold Kensington in 2022, barring some kind of catastrophic Brexit leading to a Labour landslide. As the local election results show, the Tories should be able to win it comfortably if they aren't complacent and don't select a candidate as awful as Mrs Borwick. Dent Coad has certainly showed herself to be a very controversial marmite kind of figure which is foolhardy to say the least in such a marginal seat, where she needs to get at least some support from the kind of wealthy voters she is always attacking.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
Osborne or Boris might still consider Chelsea and Fulham but I am not sure if they would risk Kensington now0 -
I vaguely remember something in the Sunday papers last weekend suggesting that boredom is indeed setting in among Leavers, but could be wrong.HHemmelig said:
If freedom of movement does indeed end (and I'm far from convinced it will, in the forseeable future), it will most likely only do so in a technical sense, with so-called "work permits" being no more difficult to obtain for EU citizens than an ESTA to visit the US. That does hopefully mean being able to keep out known criminals and undesireables, but we probably won't have any more control on EU immigration beyond that, certainly no cap on numbers. Time will tell how the Leave electorate respond, I suspect many are already pretty bored with the issue.HYUFD said:
Except he hasn't, regulatory alignment over Ireland does not require full single market membership nor does it prevent FOM being replaced by work permits as both May and Corbyn have made clear and even if there ended up being FOM from the Republic to NI that would not apply from continental Europe to the UK0 -
"Republicans are increasingly fearful of voicing opposition to the royals."Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
Really?
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Speaks for lots of us (including friends who are by no means left-wing). Don't misunderstand me - we wish the couple well and hope they have a fantastic day and a wonderful life. But I'm allergic to all the hype and glad someone in public is showing that it's not universal.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
I've heard him speak and thought he came over well, and he has a very safe seat.Pulpstar said:
The probability of him becoming the next Prime Minister must be smaller than 4%, surely ?JonnyJimmy said:Is Ranil Jayawardena any good?
I've never heard of him but just noticed he's 25/1 for next PM with Betfair and PP
Having said that, I don't know any campaign he's been involved with or anything he's passionate about - a very low profile for someone aiming high.0 -
Sorry Jack you can't have a situation where the "referee" is verbally abusing one of the main "players" on one side... And that's before you get into the bullying allegations against his staff.JackW said:The best reason to maintain Bercow in post is that the government again has its dabs all over the evidence. They failed miserably with the Hague catastrophe and deserve to fail again.
The default position should invariably be if the government wants a Speaker out then the Commons should assert their authority and advise the executive to keep their "f*cking useless" hands off.
Instead of allowing an investigation into those allegations and letting the Commons authorities follow the evidence wherever it may lead Bercow seems to have chosen evasion. Instead of transparency he's chosen cover-up.
Just what has he got to hide?0 -
Or bringing perspective of those who have lived in foreign parts and remain astonished at the insularity of those who have only ever lived in Britain?Anazina said:Beverley_C said:
That is why they are called "Leavers". They have left ....Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling. Ah! Thanks for clarifying
I was obviously being unkind in my assumption that they liked pontificating from the sidelines safe in the knowledge that their deranged project won't impact them.0 -
Is that the royal "we", Nick?NickPalmer said:
Don't misunderstand me - we wish the couple well...Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.0 -
It’s a mishmash of consumer and corporate versions. Vista is also missing, not that anyone misses it of course.Benpointer said:
It's great, but where's NT? Or am I missing the point?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If anyone wants to add him as a runner to the real https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125575094 next PM market I'll be more than happy to offer odds of 25-1 on him.tpfkar said:
I've heard him speak and thought he came over well, and he has a very safe seat.Pulpstar said:
The probability of him becoming the next Prime Minister must be smaller than 4%, surely ?JonnyJimmy said:Is Ranil Jayawardena any good?
I've never heard of him but just noticed he's 25/1 for next PM with Betfair and PP
Having said that, I don't know any campaign he's been involved with or anything he's passionate about - a very low profile for someone aiming high.0 -
You'd have thought she could have sent her best wishes to two of her constituents on their big day and for the future.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
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Who can forget Windows ME?Sandpit said:
It’s a mishmash of consumer and corporate versions. Vista is also missing, not that anyone misses it of course.Benpointer said:
It's great, but where's NT? Or am I missing the point?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
One of the complainants needs to take this to the courts - that way it is out of reach of Bercow and his small band.GIN1138 said:
Sorry Jack you can't have a situation where the "referee" is verbally abusing one of the main "players" on one side... And that's before you get into the bullying allegations against his staff.JackW said:The best reason to maintain Bercow in post is that the government again has its dabs all over the evidence. They failed miserably with the Hague catastrophe and deserve to fail again.
The default position should invariably be if the government wants a Speaker out then the Commons should assert their authority and advise the executive to keep their "f*cking useless" hands off.
Instead of allowing an investigation into those allegations and letting the Commons authorities follow the evidence wherever it may lead Bercow seems to have chosen evasion. Instead of transparency he's chosen cover-up.
Just what has he got to hide?0 -
Plenty of Remain supporters have also lived abroad, myself for 6 years in two stints and two countries. Indeed, I believe not having a passport correlated with Leave voting.CarlottaVance said:
Or bringing perspective of those who have lived in foreign parts and remain astonished at the insularity of those who have only ever lived in Britain?Anazina said:Beverley_C said:
That is why they are called "Leavers". They have left ....Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling. Ah! Thanks for clarifying
I was obviously being unkind in my assumption that they liked pontificating from the sidelines safe in the knowledge that their deranged project won't impact them.0 -
As Mr Glenn (used to) say....the trend is your friend:
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/9974506267150786610 -
She is more interested in the sound of her own voice than anything else.AlastairMeeks said:
You'd have thought she could have sent her best wishes to two of her constituents on their big day and for the future.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”HYUFD said:
Not really, indeed more people support the monarchy than almost any other political issue in Britain today and backing for the monarchy is one of very few issues now that unites most Tory and Labour voters (even if Corbyn remains a republican).HHemmelig said:
That actually sounds a bit lower than I expected....on those figures if the 18-24 year olds don't become more monarchist as they get older then an eccentric and aged King Charles might conceivably hit a lot of difficulty.HYUFD said:69% of Brits support the monarchy according to a new Yougov Royal Wedding poll including 57% of 18 to 24 year olds
https://t.co/VXFY3kkV4a?amp=1
I'm sure I've seen previous polls where support for the Queen versus the alternative of a republic is around 90%.
Prince Charles is certainly less popular than his mother and his sons but as his biggest support comes from pensioners and he is of pension age himself he will only live as long as they do anyway and most 18 to 24s will be living mainly in the reigns of King William Vth and King George VIIth not King Charles IIIrd
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
Her behaviour prior to becoming an MP is going to come under more scrutiny once the Grenfell investigations kick up a gear. She might want to consider how best to present herself to the public rather than just being antagonistic.0 -
Sometimes the "referee" has to award a yellow or red card to a player and it would appear that Bercow isn't above directing a colourful verbal volley to a government minister. Excellent say I. The executive is far too powerful and if they are cut down to size then so be it. Neither have I noticed that Bercow is shy of directing his ire toward the Opposition benches as appropriate.GIN1138 said:
Sorry Jack you can't have a situation where the "referee" is verbally abusing one of the main "players" on one side... And that's before you get into the bullying allegations against his staff.JackW said:The best reason to maintain Bercow in post is that the government again has its dabs all over the evidence. They failed miserably with the Hague catastrophe and deserve to fail again.
The default position should invariably be if the government wants a Speaker out then the Commons should assert their authority and advise the executive to keep their "f*cking useless" hands off.
Instead of allowing an investigation into those allegations and letting the Commons authorities follow the evidence wherever it may lead Bercow seems to have chosen evasion. Instead of transparency he's chosen cover-up.
Just what has he got to hide?
If you think that government isn't above "bullying" or enforcing their will forcefully then you haven't seen the Whips Office in action. The Speaker is a powerful figure and isn't above flexing his muscles. If enough MP's feel so inclined then he will leave.
Notably Sky News are reporting that MP's of all parties close to the Speakers Chair did not hear his comments. Shame .... he needs to intone a little louder next time and perhaps be a little more forthright in his judgement of the government business managers !!0 -
Of course not - (and I supported Remain) - but the assumption that i) you've lived in a country for several years should mean you can live there forever is one not widely shared around the world and ii) the intrusion into privacy/data collection that goes with living in some countries may be unpopular in the UK....when I returned to my second stint in one (western, European, liberal) country on attending my compulsory registration they said 'ah yes, last time you were here you lived at...your telephone number was...and you paid your gas bill'. Fell free to sign up, if that's your thing...Foxy said:
Plenty of Remain supporters have also lived abroad, myself for 6 years in two stints and two countries. Indeed, I believe not having a passport correlated with Leave voting.CarlottaVance said:
Or bringing perspective of those who have lived in foreign parts and remain astonished at the insularity of those who have only ever lived in Britain?Anazina said:Beverley_C said:
That is why they are called "Leavers". They have left ....Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling. Ah! Thanks for clarifying
I was obviously being unkind in my assumption that they liked pontificating from the sidelines safe in the knowledge that their deranged project won't impact them.
Oh, and it was a Remainer who started this 'neo-Brexiteers are expats'. They seem curiously exercised by others' personal circumstances....0 -
A mere second order effect - of negligible importance.....Anazina said:Beverley_C said:
That is why they are called "Leavers". They have left ....Anazina said:Notable how some of this site’s leading Brexiteer and Neobrexiteers don’t live in the UK, or anywhere near it.
RCS1000, Carlotta, Sandpit and Archer to name a few.
Telling. Ah! Thanks for clarifying
I was obviously being unkind in my assumption that they liked pontificating from the sidelines safe in the knowledge that their deranged project won't impact them.0 -
I see little evidence of people being shamed or forced into silence. If anything, the comments on some newspaper sites are really quite nasty and spiteful and one wonders about people who feel the need to vent in this way about strangers. It is after all easy enough to ignore. So why the need for bile on the part of Dent-Coad? If you can’t say anything nice best say nothing at all. Attacking people who cannot answer back is the mindset of a bully. It reflects badly on her.NickPalmer said:
Speaks for lots of us (including friends who are by no means left-wing). Don't misunderstand me - we wish the couple well and hope they have a fantastic day and a wonderful life. But I'm allergic to all the hype and glad someone in public is showing that it's not universal.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
In this Corbyn has got it right with his polite congratulations while maintaining his personal indifference. Dent-Coad strikes me as the sort of person who thinks that being rude and obnoxious is making a political point. It isn’t: all it does is show how rude and empty-headed she is.0 -
That's a bit of an insular, parochial attitude from someone as so-called internationalist as yourself.NickPalmer said:
Speaks for lots of us (including friends who are by no means left-wing). Don't misunderstand me - we wish the couple well and hope they have a fantastic day and a wonderful life. But I'm allergic to all the hype and glad someone in public is showing that it's not universal.Gardenwalker said:
Emma Dent Coad has no interest in the royal wedding and “won’t be shamed into silence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/18/royal-wedding-shamed-silence-emma-dent-coad
Funny way of showing a lack of interest.
Harry and Meghan are the talk of the world for a couple of days, before the caravan moves on. It's the only bit of really positive international coverage the UK has had since the Brexit vote. We need to make the most of it.
I'd have thought the left would be pleased to see the royals embracing a more modern marriage, bringing a successful career woman into the family who happens also to be a foreigner and from an ethnic minority. It shows the monarchy's skill at adapting to reflect contemporary society and I suspect frustrates republicans who would like nothing better than the monarchy to present itself as an out of touch 1950s relic.0 -
People always persist in looking at things with excessive precision, polls especially.Jonathan said:Polls used to be reported with a MoE, when did that change?
I read those polls as "Labour around 50, Tories around 30, LDs low double figures" and the result looks close enough to that.0
