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Any immigrant? More than one? What if the first one I ask says 'No, it hasn't', is that proof? Must there be a cross section of immigrants asked, eg Black, White, english speaking and non english speaking, african, asian, latin american?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
I can certainly believe it may have become so, and we need to be ready to act on any evidence that it has, but there's more to proof than a single report (or government rebuttals), so there's not much point getting overly defensive or act like a smugly aggressive idiot child (not you, I hasten to add) so pleased at this 'confirmation', it should be carefully digested to see if it has merit, any merit at all, and if it does then it doesn't matter who it comes from.
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You know a party is desperate when it is relying on rumoured 'internal polling.'rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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Do you think those that disagree with you don't know or don't mix with any immigrants?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
I work in a highly racially, religiously and culturally diverse team every single day in London, both with my client and my parent company. I go for drinks with most of them. And my wife is an immigrant, as are most of her closest friends. I know them all.
Not a single one of them has ever said to me the UK has become a more intolerant place since Brexit. In fact, they usually make very positive contrasts between the UK and their original homes.
It isn't immigrants who think like this. It's White Britons who voted Remain who *assume* they do, because that's what they think of Leavers, and then look to find anecdotes or reports upon which they can exercise their oven-ready hair-trigger confirmation bias.0 -
One for TSE:
If you think pineapple on pizza is a crime, try ‘salumi marmalade’
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I think it's great. Mostly naff and cheesy, with some silly national stereotype send-ups (and a little bit too much politics, in all honesty) but I love it all the same.Beverley_C said:
You're welcome you eurovisionophile youCasino_Royale said:
I rest my case!Beverley_C said:
TrueCasino_Royale said:What's so funny is how many Remainers are convinced this is the best way to troll Leavers, because they don't understand them
Not raw.... finely maturedCasino_Royale said:and assume they are driven by raw xenophobia.
Enjoy your eveningCasino_Royale said:I love Eurovision.
Thank you.
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Mr. Walker, "Your name vill also go on ze list!"
Mr. Eagles, you don't look like an immigrant. A colourblind jester who gets dressed in the dark, perhaps 0 -
Always worth at least an abridged viewing to see the cheesiest, wackiest performances and songs.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's great. Mostly naff and cheesy, with some silly national stereotype send-ups (and a little bit too much politics, in all honesty) but I love it all the same.Beverley_C said:
You're welcome you eurovisionophile youCasino_Royale said:
I rest my case!Beverley_C said:
TrueCasino_Royale said:What's so funny is how many Remainers are convinced this is the best way to troll Leavers, because they don't understand them
Not raw.... finely maturedCasino_Royale said:and assume they are driven by raw xenophobia.
Enjoy your eveningCasino_Royale said:I love Eurovision.
Thank you.
A pleasant evening to all, but one.0 -
The UN envoy is a junior academic (assistant professor at UCLA). Her publication list includes a number of papers on the theme of Migration as Decolonization.Sean_F said:
Brexit is only a small part of her report. It's clear that even if we'd voted Remain, she'd still report that the UK is a racist hellhole.AlastairMeeks said:I'm astounded - truly astounded - that all the Leavers who were entirely comfortable with a referendum campaign fought on pandering to xenophobia are now highly resistant to the UN report suggesting that racism has become more normalised in Britain since the referendum.
Perusing her papers, it is clear she believes that migration is the “legitimate dismantling of economic inequality originating in the European colonial project”.
I believe, given those views, she would come to the conclusion that all European governments are racist.0 -
Oh, sorry typo. That shouldn't be there.bigjohnowls said:
Finland is Crap but you like it????Casino_Royale said:My problem with Eurovision is this: the songs from Finland and Israel are crap, and very camp. Cyprus is only marginally better, and way too short. So I don't want to back any of them. But they are also very Eurovision. So I am probably wrong.
Songs I think are actually good: Finland, Bulgaria, Norway and Australia. And the UK isn't awful.
Germany and France aren't bad either. But I don't think the German one is distinctive enough, and the French sign in French, which doesn't help them much.0 -
FFS IT WAS LAST NOVEMBER WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERTBODY!!!!!!HYUFD said:
You know a party is desperate when it is relying on rumoured 'internal polling.'rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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None of us should forget the best Eurovision performance of all time:
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In a referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest, how would you vote?
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That's the next Remain campaign sorted.Casino_Royale said:None of us should forget the best Eurovision performance of all time:
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I might be missing something, but would that not have manifested itself to some extent last week? I mean, it's not like people would think "yeah, I'm definitely voting Labour in the next GE, but I can't put them in charge of my bin collections."rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
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I am astounded, truly astounded, that a man who sees xenophobia and racism as the cause for every act he disagrees with is so welcoming of a report that suggests we have become a nation of racists and xenophobes.AlastairMeeks said:I'm astounded - truly astounded - that all the Leavers who were entirely comfortable with a referendum campaign fought on pandering to xenophobia are now highly resistant to the UN report suggesting that racism has become more normalised in Britain since the referendum.
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I can only say that your experience is quite different from my own, living and working in equally diverse circumstances.Casino_Royale said:
Do you think those that disagree with you don't know or don't mix with any immigrants?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
I work in a highly racially, religiously and culturally diverse team every single day in London, both with my client and my parent company. I go for drinks with most of them. And my wife is an immigrant, as are most of her closest friends. I know them all.
Not a single one of them has ever said to me the UK has become a more intolerant place since Brexit. In fact, they usually make very positive contrasts between the UK and their original homes.
It isn't immigrants who think like this. It's White Britons who voted Remain who *assume* they do, because that's what they think of Leavers, and then look to find anecdotes or reports upon which they can exercise their oven-ready hair-trigger confirmation bias.0 -
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).0 -
FOR THE 5TH TIMEtlg86 said:
I might be missing something, but would that not have manifested itself to some extent last week? I mean, it's not like people would think "yeah, I'm definitely voting Labour in the next GE, but I can't put them in charge of my bin collections."rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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Public polling might put Labour only 2 points ahead of Tories, but one senior Conservative MP told me this week that internal polling shows a 12 point gap. Blue panic.
9:21 AM - 19 Nov 2017
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I'm sceptical that it was 12 points in November 2017.bigjohnowls said:
FOR THE 5TH TIMEtlg86 said:
I might be missing something, but would that not have manifested itself to some extent last week? I mean, it's not like people would think "yeah, I'm definitely voting Labour in the next GE, but I can't put them in charge of my bin collections."rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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Public polling might put Labour only 2 points ahead of Tories, but one senior Conservative MP told me this week that internal polling shows a 12 point gap. Blue panic.
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I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.0 -
For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
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Let it the first of many six months extension periods. 20 such extensions would suit us fine.CarlottaVance said:0 -
My current team consists of two Venezuelans ( a married couple), a Nigerian, a Vietnamese, 2 Scots and one Englishman in addition to myself. We have lunch every Friday and yesterday I simply asked them if they thought there was a racism problem in Britain at the moment. The answer from all but one was a resounding no. The one who thought there was and it was getting worse - one of the Scots.Gardenwalker said:
I can only say that your experience is quite different from my own, living and working in equally diverse circumstances.Casino_Royale said:
Do you think those that disagree with you don't know or don't mix with any immigrants?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
I work in a highly racially, religiously and culturally diverse team every single day in London, both with my client and my parent company. I go for drinks with most of them. And my wife is an immigrant, as are most of her closest friends. I know them all.
Not a single one of them has ever said to me the UK has become a more intolerant place since Brexit. In fact, they usually make very positive contrasts between the UK and their original homes.
It isn't immigrants who think like this. It's White Britons who voted Remain who *assume* they do, because that's what they think of Leavers, and then look to find anecdotes or reports upon which they can exercise their oven-ready hair-trigger confirmation bias.
Is this 'proof' of anything (other than the fact the particular Scot in question will always take the opposite view of every single fecking subject)? No. It proves nothing.
But neither does your 'ask an immigrant' point.0 -
What;s the narrative here? That the Tories have closed the gap or it's still overestimated them?tlg86 said:
I'm sceptical that it was 12 points in November 2017.bigjohnowls said:
FOR THE 5TH TIMEtlg86 said:
I might be missing something, but would that not have manifested itself to some extent last week? I mean, it's not like people would think "yeah, I'm definitely voting Labour in the next GE, but I can't put them in charge of my bin collections."rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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Public polling might put Labour only 2 points ahead of Tories, but one senior Conservative MP told me this week that internal polling shows a 12 point gap. Blue panic.
9:21 AM - 19 Nov 2017
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The internal Tory poll was not covering the whole country. Just covering marginal seats. It is a type of poll all parties undertake.bigjohnowls said:
FOR THE 5TH TIMEtlg86 said:
I might be missing something, but would that not have manifested itself to some extent last week? I mean, it's not like people would think "yeah, I'm definitely voting Labour in the next GE, but I can't put them in charge of my bin collections."rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/0Calamity/status/995250707572944896
Anyone heard/seen anything about this polling? Or is it just wild rumour?
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Public polling might put Labour only 2 points ahead of Tories, but one senior Conservative MP told me this week that internal polling shows a 12 point gap. Blue panic.
9:21 AM - 19 Nov 2017
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Hello. I’m not putting you on the list.twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I don’t disagree with what you write, but my point is that it’s too easy to pooh-pooh the claim that Brexit has led to increased intolerance.
That other countries have problems - terrible problems - is besides the point. *We* want to go forward, not backwards.
As you say, Brexit emboldened a certain kind of knuckle-dragger.
We can’t be complacent about this. (See the report for example that Russian propaganda in US social media has been focused above all on stoking racial tension).0 -
Completely my own opinion, but Serbia does well on the pan slavic vote, as will Ukraine. Worth a top 10 or each way, but not to win.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, are those tips, or chatter?
I did read some fellow (Twitter) suggesting Serbia to win at 501.0 -
You are doing it again. What matters is whether it's true or not. "PB Tory tell" is just silly because I don't think there are many PB Tories trying to operate under cover, and because it's utterly irrelevant.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.0 -
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.0 -
They probably know you you’ve got a bee in your bonnet about this topic and are wisely keeping their counsel.Richard_Tyndall said:
My current team consists of two Venezuelans ( a married couple), a Nigerian, a Vietnamese, 2 Scots and one Englishman in addition to myself. We have lunch every Friday and yesterday I simply asked them if they thought there was a racism problem in Britain at the moment. The answer from all but one was a resounding no. The one who thought there was and it was getting worse - one of the Scots.Gardenwalker said:
I can only say that your experience is quite different from my own, living and working in equally diverse circumstances.Casino_Royale said:
Do you think those that disagree with you don't know or don't mix with any immigrants?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
I work in a highly racially, religiously and culturally diverse team every single day in London, both with my client and my parent company. I go for drinks with most of them. And my wife is an immigrant, as are most of her closest friends. I know them all.
Not a single one of them has ever said to me the UK has become a more intolerant place since Brexit. In fact, they usually make very positive contrasts between the UK and their original homes.
It isn't immigrants who think like this. It's White Britons who voted Remain who *assume* they do, because that's what they think of Leavers, and then look to find anecdotes or reports upon which they can exercise their oven-ready hair-trigger confirmation bias.
Is this 'proof' of anything (other than the fact the particular Scot in question will always take the opposite view of every single fecking subject)? No. It proves nothing.
But neither does your 'ask an immigrant' point.
Anyway, my post talks about increased intolerance post Brexit, not “a racist problem in the U.K.” which is a different thing.0 -
Dr. Foxy, hope you're right
Edited extra bit: anyway, I'm off. Let us hope it's a green night.0 -
I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.0 -
I agree totally. These expenses arguments for whatever party or election are irrelevant. The rules are complex and very few understand them. It doesn't cut through to the public and it sounds like sour grapes. I think it does more harm than good to the complainant.Essexit said:
In a parallel universe where I want to stop Brexit, I would be heartily annoyed by a Stop Brexit movement that focuses on expenses declarations and wacky conspiracy theories rather than, say, trying to work out why they lost and then formulating a positive argument for EU membership.RoyalBlue said:I do wish OGH would stop flogging this dead horse. If Brexit is stopped, it will not be because a political campaign screwed up their expenses declaration.
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You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.0 -
I’ve written several long posts about the appalling regional disparities in this country.YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
It’s a pet issue of mine, though weirdly enough it is hotly denied by certain PB Tories on here (I think because it is perceived somehow as criticism of the U.K.).
As you say, we are two countries.
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I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.0 -
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_EuropeGardenwalker said:
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.
Under heading "overall view".0 -
Why are they carrying around a giant piece of toilet paper?
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Given my known views on immigration I would suggest that is rubbish. We are good enough friends that they know what my reaction would be.Gardenwalker said:
They probably know you you’ve got a bee in your bonnet about this topic and are wisely keeping their counsel.Richard_Tyndall said:
My current team consists of two Venezuelans ( a married couple), a Nigerian, a Vietnamese, 2 Scots and one Englishman in addition to myself. We have lunch every Friday and yesterday I simply asked them if they thought there was a racism problem in Britain at the moment. The answer from all but one was a resounding no. The one who thought there was and it was getting worse - one of the Scots.Gardenwalker said:
I can only say that your experience is quite different from my own, living and working in equally diverse circumstances.Casino_Royale said:
Do you think those that disagree with you don't know or don't mix with any immigrants?Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
I work in a highly racially, religiously and culturally diverse team every single day in London, both with my client and my parent company. I go for drinks with most of them. And my wife is an immigrant, as are most of her closest friends. I know them all.
Not a single one of them has ever said to me the UK has become a more intolerant place since Brexit. In fact, they usually make very positive contrasts between the UK and their original homes.
It isn't immigrants who think like this. It's White Britons who voted Remain who *assume* they do, because that's what they think of Leavers, and then look to find anecdotes or reports upon which they can exercise their oven-ready hair-trigger confirmation bias.
Is this 'proof' of anything (other than the fact the particular Scot in question will always take the opposite view of every single fecking subject)? No. It proves nothing.
But neither does your 'ask an immigrant' point.
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Yes, but Ishmael - I am talking about the atmosphere post the 2016 campaign. Not the respective levels of racism across Europe.Ishmael_Z said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_EuropeGardenwalker said:
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.
Under heading "overall view".
You’ve fallen into the very PB Tory trap I was complaining about.
Anyway, Eurovision time.0 -
Dead wrong, your initial claim was about whether we are more tolerant than other European countries, with no time limit. And you've been given evidence on the post brexit situation and had no answer beyond as laboured ad hominem against Mr Tyndall.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, but Ishmael - I am talking about the atmosphere post the 2016 campaign. Not the respective levels of racism across Europe.Ishmael_Z said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_EuropeGardenwalker said:
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
Did you put that point in parentheses because you are embarrassed by how feeble it is? A claim is either true or false; saying "oooh, that's a typical X thing to say" is a tacit admission that you would like to call it false, but can't.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.
Under heading "overall view".
You’ve fallen into the very PB Tory trap I was complaining about.
Anyway, Eurovision time.0 -
How is any of this related to the EU?YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
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One of my regrets about Brexit is that we don't automatically get booted out of Eurovision.....0
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My only bet is £2 at 500/1 on Ukraine. It's my entrance fee. No point in watching if you don't have a bet on it.0
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Here was my original post:Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong, your initial claim was about whether we are more tolerant than other European countries, with no time limit. And you've been given evidence on the post brexit situation and had no answer beyond as laboured ad hominem against Mr Tyndall.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, but Ishmael - I am talking about the atmosphere post the 2016 campaign. Not the respective levels of racism across Europe.Ishmael_Z said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_EuropeGardenwalker said:
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
t.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.
Under heading "overall view".
You’ve fallen into the very PB Tory trap I was complaining about.
Anyway, Eurovision time.
“If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant”
So you’re wrong, and i will remember to discount your posts accordingly in the future.0 -
Have just discovered my Samsung pad can multitask so I can post and stream Eurovision simultaneously. Blown away by this.0
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Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.0 -
Hey, if it's good enough for the Aussies...twistedfirestopper3 said:One of my regrets about Brexit is that we don't automatically get booted out of Eurovision.....
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Devastated.Gardenwalker said:
Here was my original post:Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong, your initial claim was about whether we are more tolerant than other European countries, with no time limit. And you've been given evidence on the post brexit situation and had no answer beyond as laboured ad hominem against Mr Tyndall.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, but Ishmael - I am talking about the atmosphere post the 2016 campaign. Not the respective levels of racism across Europe.Ishmael_Z said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_EuropeGardenwalker said:
What multi-year Harvard study?Ishmael_Z said:
I am not remotely uptight about it, I am just in favour of judging claims and arguments on their merits. You have ranged against you a socking great multi year study by those clever chaps at Harvard and some cogent and detailed reportage from R Tyndall and the firestopper. "Yebbut PB tories" is not an answer to any of that.Gardenwalker said:
You, and Ishmael above, seem very uptight about the PB Tory label.Elliot said:
Anazina is one of the most partisan tribal people on this site. The whole mentality of "these are the litmus tests that mark you as an other and not worth listening to" is a toxic one. It's how you end up abandoning your principles as a party and elevating extremist demagogues like Corbyn. Unsurprisingly, Anazina is an arch Corbyn supporter.Gardenwalker said:
I put it in parenthesis because it was a subsidiary point. It’s true though. Smug pats on the back for how tolerant this country is supposed to be is a PB Tory tell.Ishmael_Z said:
t.Gardenwalker said:If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant.
(BTW those posts declaring smugly that we are less intolerant than other European countries is a classic PB Tory marker. Add it to the list Anazina started last night).
It deflects from the real issue: the Brexit campaign stirred up some toxic bigotry.
As I understand it, it’s a handy term to describe a complacent, unthinking and sheep-like set of posters on here. Don’t pretend to you haven’t noticed.
Under heading "overall view".
You’ve fallen into the very PB Tory trap I was complaining about.
Anyway, Eurovision time.
“If you want to know whether Britain has become a more intolerant place post Brexit, simply ask an immigrant”
So you’re wrong, and i will remember to discount your posts accordingly in the future.0 -
I dont know about TFS3, but I haven't encountered anything on those lines in famously multicultural Leicester.Tykejohnno said:
Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.0 -
Estonia should win it for the dress alone.0
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Well you might not experienced it mr foxy because like you have told us,you live in the well off area of leicester.Foxy said:
I dont know about TFS3, but I haven't encountered anything on those lines in famously multicultural Leicester.Tykejohnno said:
Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.0 -
And her voice!TheScreamingEagles said:Estonia should win it for the dress alone.
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In the Emergency dept I see all comers, and for 25 years. Not seen it.Tykejohnno said:
Well you might not experienced it mr foxy because like you have told us,you live in the well off area of leicester.Foxy said:
I dont know about TFS3, but I haven't encountered anything on those lines in famously multicultural Leicester.Tykejohnno said:
Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.0 -
I've seen shitty things done to members of every community by every other community, but mostly I see communities pulling together and living well with each other. Leicester has it's problems, but by and large I think it gets things right. I'm just trying to say that it doesn't seem any worse after Brexit than it was before. I accept that you see something different in how your colleagues in the hospitals see things- and given the Windrush scandal, I can't blame them.Foxy said:
I dont know about TFS3, but I haven't encountered anything on those lines in famously multicultural Leicester.Tykejohnno said:
Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.0 -
She can immigrate any time. The Norwegian, not so much.Sunil_Prasannan said:
And her voice!TheScreamingEagles said:Estonia should win it for the dress alone.
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Nice (dazzling) teeth too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
And her voice!TheScreamingEagles said:Estonia should win it for the dress alone.
She should get technical points for singing from the judges and also points from the voting public for memorability. So not a bad choice.0 -
Maybe they should ask again after we come last again.TheScreamingEagles said:I love my country
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We've only come last once, you know!felix said:
Maybe they should ask again after we come last again.TheScreamingEagles said:I love my country
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/995376869016039424
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Leiceter could be the best integrated city/town in the country but racial attacks/abuse comes in different ways,my family had our windows smashed in with red house bricks or on another occasion chased by a gang of asians with baseball bats of ''Kill the white bastard''Foxy said:
In the Emergency dept I see all comers, and for 25 years. Not seen it.Tykejohnno said:
Well you might not experienced it mr foxy because like you have told us,you live in the well off area of leicester.Foxy said:
I dont know about TFS3, but I haven't encountered anything on those lines in famously multicultural Leicester.Tykejohnno said:
Do we know in high immigrant area's of our country the number racial attacks on whites ?twistedfirestopper3 said:For every anecdote you can give me on Brits being horrible to foreigners, I can can give you a personal one about foreigners being mean to Brits or other foreigners, or even foreigners of the very same foreigness. I see lots of people every day, in calm situations such as community visits, knocking on doors to offer advice and smoke detectors, and in moments of crisis. I see good reactions and bad reactions. It was the same before Brexit, and it's exactly the same now.
I'm not saying Brexit hasn't emboldened a certain type of knuckle dragger- it clearly has, but to say we're a bunch of rascist xenophobic little Englanders misses the mark by a mile. I've been to eastern European countries recently, members of the EU, where black members of our party weren't allowed into clubs and bars, because the club was "full", but if a group of us went minus our black brother, we walked in no problem. That's rascist, isn't it? And happening in an EU country? Surely not?
I guess GardenWalker will put me on Anazina's list.
I have lived in a area of bradford where I am white and a minority and in all that time I haven't seen one racist attack on our immigrant brits but I can tell you plenty of racist attacks on whites.
Racism was here in strength long before brexit from all our communities.
Both of these incidents didn't need hospital treatment luckily.0 -
Elliott you can call me as many names as you like, but arch Corbyn supporter? Er, no. I oppose his leadership as I have said many times!0
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We're up !0
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Embarrassing.0
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Costume is a bit Star Trek.Sunil_Prasannan said:UK!!!
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My god!0
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SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!0
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New polling by Opinium, meanwhile, shows that Labour supporters are in favour of a people’s vote by 69% to 18%. The 18-34 age group support a people’s vote by a margin of 65% to 22%. Overall, 53% of the country supports the public having a vote on any final deal that the government agrees with the EU, compared to just 31% who oppose.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/12/one-million-students-call-vote-brexit-deal0 -
We deserve to win just for that.0
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Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
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She carried on like a trooper. Well done to her!0
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Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.0 -
Some kind of multiple casualty stabbing incident in Paris. Reports are the assailant has been shot by police.
Welcome to summer.0 -
Despite?tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
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Did we get permission from Tim Bergling's estate to perform that ?0
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SuRie coped with the interruption brilliantly.
Top 10 at 5/1??0 -
The EU distributes huge sums in science R&D funding. It concentrates it in very specific wealthy areas. It would be a better strategy is to distribute it more evenly.Benpointer said:
How is any of this related to the EU?YBarddCwsc said:I have zero sympathy with Remainers bleating about xenophobia.
Some people did very well out of being in the EU. Some places did very well. These people, these places didn’t care about the folks, the places that got left behind. Your mistake, Meeks & Co.
Let’s look at an area I know well, science & technology R&D.
Remainer-dom, Oxford and its environs, Cambridge and its environs, and (parts of) inner West & North London account for nearly 50 per cent of all R&D public spending (EU, government, HE and charity sectors).
Then we come to Leaver-stan. The long tail, with much hardly any investment in R&D, either public or private. Crap places, crap people, crap jobs-- the people Meeks referred to in his elitist hauteur as Carrot Munchers.
It includes all of Wales, Northern Ireland, the North of England, Southwest England beyond Bristol, outer east and southeast London and Kent, Lincolnshire. This is left-behind Britain.
Well, smug Remainers - you didn’t care about the left-behind. You were happy with a grossly unequal country when you were pocketing the proceeds of EU membership.
You got what you deserved in the referendum.
This is why the EU has also been so disastrous for the science base of the former Eastern Bloc countries. All their good scientists are now in the West.
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It’s that sort of defiance and stoicism that makes me proud to be British.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.
What a lady.0 -
Could help her. Worth a bet I think!bigjohnowls said:SuRie coped with the interruption brilliantly.
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My A level politics teacher was fond of reminding me that England have only ever won the Football and Rugby world cups under a Labour government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.0 -
Immediately before the Brexit vote, we came only 24th, but last year we came 15th. So the referendum result gained us 9 places!TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.0 -
"we demand freedom"0
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Wasn't Guy Verhofstadt by any chance?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Incorrect,tlg86 said:
My A level politics teacher was fond of reminding me that England have only ever won the Football and Rugby world cups under a Labour government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.
England won the rugby World Cup in 1994 and 2014 (under Tory & Coalition Governments).
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The stage invader is thought to have said something like: “For the Nazis of the UK media, we demand freedom."
It left the British performer without a mic for around 20 seconds, before it was replaced.
She gamely carried on as the crowds in the stadium and the press room stood up to encourage and cheer her on. SuRie was visibly shaken at the end of the performance.0 -
We're talking about proper rugby, not that poncey rugby with their chickenshit fifth tackle rule.YBarddCwsc said:
Incorrect,tlg86 said:
My A level politics teacher was fond of reminding me that England have only ever won the Football and Rugby world cups under a Labour government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.
England won the rugby World Cup in 1994 and 2014 (under Tory & Coalition Governments).0 -
Eh, proper football should be played with the feetTheScreamingEagles said:
We're talking about proper rugby, not that poncey rugby with their chickenshit fifth tackle rule.YBarddCwsc said:
Incorrect,tlg86 said:
My A level politics teacher was fond of reminding me that England have only ever won the Football and Rugby world cups under a Labour government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.
England won the rugby World Cup in 1994 and 2014 (under Tory & Coalition Governments). 0 -
YBarddCwsc said:
Incorrect,tlg86 said:
My A level politics teacher was fond of reminding me that England have only ever won the Football and Rugby world cups under a Labour government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it never happened before Brexit.tlg86 said:
Was that because of Brexit?Sunil_Prasannan said:SuRie interrupted there by some lowlife!!!!
Just saying.
England won the rugby World Cup in 1994 and 2014 (under Tory & Coalition Governments).
England won the Rugby world cup in Australia in Oct 2003 - remember Wilkinson's drop goal to clinch the final0 -
If SuRie was interrupted by a mad Remainer let's hope he doesn't post here. 0
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As others have said, she coped extremely well! Kudos.bigjohnowls said:The stage invader is thought to have said something like: “For the Nazis of the UK media, we demand freedom."
It left the British performer without a mic for around 20 seconds, before it was replaced.
She gamely carried on as the crowds in the stadium and the press room stood up to encourage and cheer her on. SuRie was visibly shaken at the end of the performance.0
