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FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

Simple truth is David Davis and Liam Fox are idiots who couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

Brexit should have been framed as a process not an event.

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

Simple truth is David Davis and Liam Fox are idiots who couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

Brexit should have been framed as a process not an event.

you lost to a bus, who are the idiots ?

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

Simple truth is David Davis and Liam Fox are idiots who couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

Brexit should have been framed as a process not an event.

you lost to a bus, who are the idiots ?

Dave made a mistake by not going blue on blue during the referendum.

I said he should have gone postal on Boris and Gove during the referendum.

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

Simple truth is David Davis and Liam Fox are idiots who couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

Brexit should have been framed as a process not an event.

Don't you mean the disgraced Liam Fox?

The heat is making me lose my touch.

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

We will Brexit - I can't see anything stopping that. Whether anyone will notice the difference beyond losing our MEPs and voting rights is less clear.

We may end up with a May fudge which pleases no one.

I regret Cameron's downfall. Brexit needed resolving, one way or another (still does, in fact), and if it had been tacked earlier perhaps he would have been ok. The road not taken.

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT

See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!
How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.
Who could have predicted that?

Or the elite is just using every trick in the book to make sure it never actually happens...

Don`t think you have got that quite right, Mr Gin. The elite are those in this Conservative-UKIP Cabinet and their chums and cronies. They thought they had "won", could interpret the result in whatever way they wished, and all at no inconvenience to themselves. They people are starting to see through their little tricks, and realise they have been sold out. By the Tory elite.

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Brexit is a state of mind - it's fairly clear that the Government intends the reality to be as similar as possible to the current arrangement, with the potential to be different one day. Whether you feel that's what you voted for, only you can say! But it's arguably a fair interpretation of a 52-48 vote.

bigjohnowls said:

Thank You TSE

I am now educated.

Can you do a graph of how long the Liberal Elite have been in power please

Brexit was an argument between one faction of the elite and another. One faction recruited the poor to their side and when their usefulness expires they will be discarded. If you genuinely think Brexit was a defeat of the elite, I have a bridge to sell you.

viewcode said:

bigjohnowls said:

Thank You TSE

I am now educated.

Can you do a graph of how long the Liberal Elite have been in power please

Brexit was an argument between one faction of the elite and another. One faction recruited the poor to their side and when their usefulness expires they will be discarded. If you genuinely think Brexit was a defeat of the elite, I have a bridge to sell you.

Of course it wasnt.

Only Jezza as PM will smash the Liberal elite Concencus

Then only if we have a more Non Liberal Elite PLP

TheScreamingEagles said:

God I love our Ambassador to Washington.

https://twitter.com/scribblercat/status/992422774101639169

Interesting to call it a spat - I'd have thought it was just a bit of fun between ambassadors, who I would hope can take a joke about their histories (at least when the current nations are friends).

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Very sunny. Be glad when it cools off, but the footage of the Tour de Yorkshire will do the county's tourism no harm at all.

"You, too, can enjoy this beautiful countryside if you dope or cheat to enter a cycling competition, then lie about it for years (those who 'cross the line' also accepted')"

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

The Tories over the border in Pendle have dug a big hole for the party to fall into...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44022663

They need to U-turn and do it now.

SandyRentool said:

The Tories over the border in Pendle have dug a big hole for the party to fall into...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44022663

They need to U-turn and do it now.

There may be an argument, in individual cases of suspension from any party, that a period of suspension and some other sanction might be appropriate, but this one seems pretty clear cut , and the wider effect on the party from having it thrown back in their face is also pretty clear cut. If the party do not find some way of casting her aside I will be surprised.

You've used the wrong color for the Labour (war criminal) Party bar. Shouldn't it be blue?

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Very sunny. Be glad when it cools off, but the footage of the Tour de Yorkshire will do the county's tourism no harm at all.

Good grief this country is glorious when the weather is like this. I am on holiday in Herefordshire with a group of friends and their families - went out for a bike ride along the Anglo-Welsh border this morning: the countryside here is impossibly beautiful. Got to the top of some relatively little-know hills called the Begwns, from where there is an amazing, panoramic 360 degree view. You should all go there tomorrow.

Now it's shade-seeking weather, so I am on the edge of the garden watching a badminton tournament unfold. Life at its best.

bigjohnowls said:

Thank You TSE

I am now educated.

Can you do a graph of how long the Liberal Elite have been in power please

I would say they took power in the late 1820s

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Vote Leave. Give control to the EU.

Let the EU control their own country, meanwhile we take back control and can do as we please.

Interesting week in Parliament ahead.

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/993088385391693825

And on Wednesday there's a vote in which Labour will seek to regulate the press in a way that hasn't happened since the 17th century.

https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/992819965521784832

Sandpit said:

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Vote Leave. Give control to the EU.

Let the EU control their own country, meanwhile we take back control and can do as we please.

The point I was making was that when it comes to the border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, we cannot maintain the present seamless travel arrangements without the cooperation of Ireland and the EU. As you correctly point out, we can impose any restriction we wish on those coming in, but that is a change from the status quo currently desired by the UK. Politicians and people are reacting to this dilemma by - again - "failing and blaming": witness Arlene moaning about Barnier, Hannan[1] wondering if the Good Friday Agreement is still fit for purpose, and so on.

Your remark about "them and their EU masters" was symptomatic of a characteristic I have frequently bemoaned (the word is unusually appropriate!) on PB: namely the fact that many people in the UK are constitutionally incapable of realising that Ireland is a country in its own right, and with its own government and goals which may or may not align with the UK and which may sometimes actively act against it. Is it really too difficult to realise that Ireland may be its own master and not subservient to the EU?

[1] Might have got the wrong politician here: if so, apols.

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

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The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Vote Leave. Give control to the EU.

Let the EU control their own country, meanwhile we take back control and can do as we please.

The point I was making was that when it comes to the border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, we cannot maintain the present seamless travel arrangements without the cooperation of Ireland and the EU. As you correctly point out, we can impose any restriction we wish on those coming in, but that is a change from the status quo currently desired by the UK. Politicians and people are reacting to this dilemma by - again - "failing and blaming": witness Arlene moaning about Barnier, Hannan[1] wondering if the Good Friday Agreement is still fit for purpose, and so on.

Your remark about "them and their EU masters" was symptomatic of a characteristic I have frequently bemoaned (the word is unusually appropriate!) on PB: namely the fact that many people in the UK are constitutionally incapable of realising that Ireland is a country in its own right, and with its own government and goals which may or may not align with the UK and which may sometimes actively act against it. Is it really too difficult to realise that Ireland may be its own master and not subservient to the EU?

[1] Might have got the wrong politician here: if so, apols.

It would be brilliant if we could sit down with the Irish and decide how we can maintain the current arrangement with minimal change, but sadly that’s not allowed.

The RoI, as EU members have subcontracted their trade policy to Brussels. We are not and can not negotiate with Ireland, only with the EU. The Irish have been told that they have to enforce a hard border because that is what EU law requires. I’d much prefer for the British and the Irish to be able to discuss and agree on what happens to the border, but we are not allowed to do so.

Sadly, the EU side are no longer negotiating in good faith, they are actively finding reasons to keep the clock running down, dismissing out of hand everything we propose and intending to present us with an 11th hour binary choice of either signing up to be members but without a seat at the table, or to crash out and the planes stop flying

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Take back Control of our Borders! *

*Offer excludes our only land border...

Foxy said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

FPT


See the latest ruse from the elite is to extend the "transition" period for the customs union for another two years!!!

How many people who voted for Brexit will actually be dead before it happens? I'm 40 and even starting to wonder if I'll ever actually see it...

Turns out Brexit wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Who could have predicted that?

The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Take back Control of our Borders! *

*Offer excludes our only land border...

You're forgetting Gibraltar.

I can't help but wonder if we might bodge something on Ireland where the consequences of no deal would be pretty serious for the Irish, only to stumble over Spain and the Rock, again.

Mr. Palmer, Labour, in particular Watson, have form on supporting Max Mosley's censorious and unacceptable approach to press regulation.

Given the number of Lords defeats on the EU recently, it will be interesting to see how the next vote goes.

bigjohnowls said:

viewcode said:

bigjohnowls said:

Thank You TSE

I am now educated.

Can you do a graph of how long the Liberal Elite have been in power please

Brexit was an argument between one faction of the elite and another. One faction recruited the poor to their side and when their usefulness expires they will be discarded. If you genuinely think Brexit was a defeat of the elite, I have a bridge to sell you.

Of course it wasnt.

Only Jezza as PM will smash the Liberal elite Concencus

Then only if we have a more Non Liberal Elite PLP

Jezza is possibly a liberal and after 35 years in the HoC the very epitome of the elite.

Foxy said:

View_From_Cumbria said:

bigjohnowls said:

Thank You TSE

I am now educated.

Can you do a graph of how long the Liberal Elite have been in power please

I would say they took power in the late 1820s

I blame the 1832 Reform Act.

The failed reform bills and the passing of the 1832 Act were the first consequence of the Liberal Elite taking control. They then entrenched their position with the Municipal Reform Act and the PLAA ( Poor Laws Amendment Act ). The Liberal Benthamites were sufficiently ruthless that even when the Liberals were out of power the Tories and the Conservatives worked within their legislative arrangements.

And that is what makes Brexit so incredible for them. They felt the people had betrayed them when they elected Thatcher. But, Brexit is the first time the people have overturned the rules the Liberal Elite has set for playing the game.

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Morning of 24th June 2016?

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, Labour, in particular Watson, have form on supporting Max Mosley's censorious and unacceptable approach to press regulation.

Given the number of Lords defeats on the EU recently, it will be interesting to see how the next vote goes.

Don't care for Mosley, but I do think our press is a disgrace, and its self-serving rejection of decent rebuttals with equal prominence when they turn out to have lied is a double disgrace. To portrayt it as the end of press freedom is Just Silly.

Mr. Palmer, it was the press that revealed the Rotherham child abuse, and the expenses scandal. They're far from perfect, but having the state regulate it in such a way hasn't been done since the 17th century. Free speech us under assault from the terminally offended, religious zealots, and authoritarian politicians. Free press is essential in a democracy and I have no faith increased regulation backed by the political class can be trusted to be fair or just.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, it was the press that revealed the Rotherham child abuse, and the expenses scandal. They're far from perfect, but having the state regulate it in such a way hasn't been done since the 17th century. Free speech us under assault from the terminally offended, religious zealots, and authoritarian politicians. Free press is essential in a democracy and I have no faith increased regulation backed by the political class can be trusted to be fair or just.

Agreed. Politicians will be among the first to hide their peccadilloes behind such laws while intruding into our lives. The fourth estate are a vital counterbalance.

HYUFD said:

Interesting chart.

The most successful winners of election majorities since WW2 are first Thatcher, Blair and Wilson with 3 each.

Then Attlee with 2. Then Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Heath, Major and Cameron with 1 each

So 5 One Nation Tories, 2 Old Labour leaders, 1 rightwing Thatcherite Tory, 1 New Labour leader. Churchill appealed to both One Nation and right wing Tories.

That suggests One Nation Toryism is the default ideology of most voters

So in the last 44 years that default ideolgy managed to vote in one One Nation Tory pm for 5 years of minority govenment, and 1 year of smallish majority government? Not what you'd call overwhelmingly successful for the poor old defaulter.

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

He takes pride in his label as the Farage of the Centre, and has now started to live up to it.

I see he’s deleted it now with an apology. Good.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Why does someone tweeting a cartoon suggest they're insane?

... have you seen his twitter recently??

No I haven't. Presumably he isn't a slavish advocate of ultra Hard Brexit and his lips aren't firmly stapled to Theresa's buttocks. Therefore his mental health has to be questioned.

Stark_Dawning said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Why does someone tweeting a cartoon suggest they're insane?

... have you seen his twitter recently??

No I haven't. Presumably he isn't a slavish advocate of ultra Hard Brexit and his lips aren't firmly stapled to Theresa's buttocks. Therefore his mental health has to be questioned.

He is in fairness increasingly looking like James Chapman Mark II.

Whatever happened to him, by the way?

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Interesting chart.

The most successful winners of election majorities since WW2 are first Thatcher, Blair and Wilson with 3 each.

Then Attlee with 2. Then Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Heath, Major and Cameron with 1 each

So 5 One Nation Tories, 2 Old Labour leaders, 1 rightwing Thatcherite Tory, 1 New Labour leader. Churchill appealed to both One Nation and right wing Tories.

That suggests One Nation Toryism is the default ideology of most voters

So in the last 44 years that default ideolgy managed to vote in one One Nation Tory pm for 5 years of minority govenment, and 1 year of smallish majority government? Not what you'd call overwhelmingly successful for the poor old defaulter.

May too is arguably One Nation Tory and comfortably won most seats at the last general election even if not a majority

Blair was also a One Nation Tory in many respects just with New Labour packaging

Stark_Dawning said:

ydoethur said:

Stark_Dawning said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Why does someone tweeting a cartoon suggest they're insane?

... have you seen his twitter recently??

No I haven't. Presumably he isn't a slavish advocate of ultra Hard Brexit and his lips aren't firmly stapled to Theresa's buttocks. Therefore his mental health has to be questioned.

He is in fairness increasingly looking like James Chapman Mark II.

Whatever happened to him, by the way?

James Chapman was a national treasure, who brought sweetness and optimism to gloomy Brexit Britain. I miss him. Such a shame he was bullied into silence by the Brexit elite who pronounced his as seditious.

You are Alistair Campbell and I claim my £5!

The size of the Civil Service has nearly halved since around 1975. Can any older posters advise if the quality of government (excluding party politics) has decreased in line with this?

Mr. Gate, to be fair, when Rome had a tiny civil service it was far better run than in later years. The policy of doing almost nothing but collecting (small) taxes and smashing insurrections worked incredibly well.

Gallowgate said:

The size of the Civil Service has nearly halved since around 1975. Can any older posters advise if the quality of government (excluding party politics) has decreased in line with this?

Does that include the reclassification of museum workers, librarians, transport administrators etc as charity workers or private sector employees?

ydoethur said:

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

Interesting chart.

The most successful winners of election majorities since WW2 are first Thatcher, Blair and Wilson with 3 each.

Then Attlee with 2. Then Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Heath, Major and Cameron with 1 each

So 5 One Nation Tories, 2 Old Labour leaders, 1 rightwing Thatcherite Tory, 1 New Labour leader. Churchill appealed to both One Nation and right wing Tories.

That suggests One Nation Toryism is the default ideology of most voters

So in the last 44 years that default ideolgy managed to vote in one One Nation Tory pm for 5 years of minority govenment, and 1 year of smallish majority government? Not what you'd call overwhelmingly successful for the poor old defaulter.

When was this 5 years of minority government you're talking about TUD?

Sorry, coalition government. Though to judge by the constant allusions to the whiny, recalcitrant, ungrateful Libdems on here, it might as well have been a minority government.

williamglenn said:

Sandpit said:

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

viewcode said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

Elliot said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

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The flawed assuption made was that Remain had democratic credentials and would unite behind getting a good deal after they lost.

What would the unity solution for the Irish border look like?

On the British side, exactly as it does now.

On the Irish side, that’s up to them and their EU masters.

Vote Leave. Give control to the EU.

Let the EU control their own country, meanwhile we take back control and can do as we please.

The point I was making was that when it comes to the border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, we cannot maintain the present seamless travel arrangements without the cooperation of Ireland and the EU. As you correctly point out, we can impose any restriction we wish on those coming in, but that is a change from the status quo currently desired by the UK. Politicians and people are reacting to this dilemma by - again - "failing and blaming": witness Arlene moaning about Barnier, Hannan[1] wondering if the Good Friday Agreement is still fit for purpose, and so on.

Your remark about "them and their EU masters" was symptomatic of a characteristic I have frequently bemoaned (the word is unusually appropriate!) on PB: namely the fact that many people in the UK are constitutionally incapable of realising that Ireland is a country in its own right, and with its own government and goals which may or may not align with the UK and which may sometimes actively act against it. Is it really too difficult to realise that Ireland may be its own master and not subservient to the EU?

[1] Might have got the wrong politician here: if so, apols.

It would be brilliant if we could sit down with the Irish and decide how we can maintain the current arrangement with minimal change, but sadly that’s not allowed.

Translation: It would be brilliant if we could just tell Ireland what our plan is and they would have no choice but to accept it, but sadly they are part of a union that gives them the upper hand so that isn’t the case.

Not at all, I said it would be great if we could negotiate with Ireland - but they won’t let us. We have to negotiate with the EU instead, who are not interested in negotiating a deal that’s mutually beneficial in good faith, only a deal that’s completely one-sided and presented as an eleventh hour fait accompli.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

I think we can add 'nasty' to 'barking':

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/993151218162823169

At what point did Andrew Adonis go mad?

Why does someone tweeting a cartoon suggest they're insane?

... have you seen his twitter recently??

No I haven't. Presumably he isn't a slavish advocate of ultra Hard Brexit and his lips aren't firmly stapled to Theresa's buttocks. Therefore his mental health has to be questioned.

Stark

Andrew Adonis has gone from a run-of-the-mill Blairite to a an expert in everything. Last week education policy, the week before that archaeology - but most of all Brexit. He thinks everything is easy, thinks himself a genius and everyone else idiots. A giant among pygmies. It makes a mockery of any sensible attempt to advocate an anti-Brexit policy.

He’s certainly a loose cannon. At one point he was arguing that having elected MEPs was the EU’s fatal flaw (preferring regular national MPs to be seconded to Brussels).

Truly terrible Liverpool display - every 4-5 games they go on a run where they look like they have forgotten how to play football. No energy, no ideas, no threat, even with all they have at their disposal. It's one of the signs of why Klopp is not a good manager - when they are not able to power forward, they have not a clue.

kle4 said:

Truly terrible Liverpool display - every 4-5 games they go on a run where they look like they have forgotten how to play football. No energy, no ideas, no threat, even with all they have at their disposal. It's one of the signs of why Klopp is not a good manager - when they are not able to power forward, they have not a clue.

But all will be forgiven if we come home from Kiev in three weeks’ time with Old Big Ears on the plane!

kle4 said:

Truly terrible Liverpool display - every 4-5 games they go on a run where they look like they have forgotten how to play football. No energy, no ideas, no threat, even with all they have at their disposal. It's one of the signs of why Klopp is not a good manager - when they are not able to power forward, they have not a clue.

Chelsea were ALWAYS going to win today (another winning bet for me....) as the nightmare for Spurs gets ever more likely to happen.... I'm at Wembley on Weds to see the next step in this calamity and then Sunday too...