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RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

I called that earlier on this year*

If Theresa May keeps us in the customs union I'll do regularly threads saying she's the greatest Tory of her generation, even better than Dave and George.

The logical end game will be not to offer a referendum on a customs union, but to say in a few years time, well since we're in the customs union we might as well rejoin the single market.

Rejoining the single market and its restraint on state intervention will look brilliant after 5 years of PM Corbyn.

*In this thread. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/02/25/why-i-wont-be-surprised-to-see-a-general-election-or-corbyn-become-prime-minister-this-year/

That won't be the end game. The end game will be to apply to rejoin the EU.

The ultras know that if we do leave both the single market and customs union the UK will move on, and there will never be any going back.

The revolution was doomed when the revolutionaries left the ancien regime in power, its functionaries in work, and its institutions unreformed.

I fear that Brexiteers won the war but will lose the peace, and consequently the war will have been for nothing.

Who knows?

A lot of twists and turns to come yet. But, I have been anticipating serious trouble in the Lords for months.

I don’t think the Lords matters much when there is no Commons majority for the Government’s negotiating stance.

Are you still 100% in favour of Brexit if the government concedes a customs union that means someone else decides our trade policy?

I ask because I’m no longer sure myself.

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

I called that earlier on this year*

If Theresa May keeps us in the customs union I'll do regularly threads saying she's the greatest Tory of her generation, even better than Dave and George.

The logical end game will be not to offer a referendum on a customs union, but to say in a few years time, well since we're in the customs union we might as well rejoin the single market.

Rejoining the single market and its restraint on state intervention will look brilliant after 5 years of PM Corbyn.

*In this thread. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/02/25/why-i-wont-be-surprised-to-see-a-general-election-or-corbyn-become-prime-minister-this-year/

That won't be the end game. The end game will be to apply to rejoin the EU.

The ultras know that if we do leave both the single market and customs union the UK will move on, and there will never be any going back.

The revolution was doomed when the revolutionaries left the ancien regime in power, its functionaries in work, and its institutions unreformed.

I fear that Brexiteers won the war but will lose the peace, and consequently the war will have been for nothing.

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

I called that earlier on this year*

If Theresa May keeps us in the customs union I'll do regularly threads saying she's the greatest Tory of her generation, even better than Dave and George.

The logical end game will be not to offer a referendum on a customs union, but to say in a few years time, well since we're in the customs union we might as well rejoin the single market.

Rejoining the single market and its restraint on state intervention will look brilliant after 5 years of PM Corbyn.

*In this thread. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/02/25/why-i-wont-be-surprised-to-see-a-general-election-or-corbyn-become-prime-minister-this-year/

That won't be the end game. The end game will be to apply to rejoin the EU.

The ultras know that if we do leave both the single market and customs union the UK will move on, and there will never be any going back.

The revolution was doomed when the revolutionaries left the ancien regime in power, its functionaries in work, and its institutions unreformed.

I fear that Brexiteers won the war but will lose the peace, and consequently the war will have been for nothing.

Who knows?

A lot of twists and turns to come yet. But, I have been anticipating serious trouble in the Lords for months.

I don’t think the Lords matters much when there is no Commons majority for the Government’s negotiating stance.

Are you still 100% in favour of Brexit if the government concedes a customs union that means someone else decides our trade policy?

I ask because I’m no longer sure myself.

stodge said:

Evening all

On Friday we had the booklet with the election addresses (or what passes for them) from the five runners in the 2018 renewal of the Newham Mayoral Handicap open to 3-y-o of all ages.

The long odds-on favourite is the aforementioned Councillor Rokhsana Fiaz who defeated Sir Robin Wales 861-503 in the Labour selection contest. She has eight core messages including a pledge to build 1000 new Council homes by 2022 which will be let at social rent levels. Given 45% of Newham's population lives in private rented accommodation it's a policy she thinks will resonate in an era of multi-occupancy dwellings. The rest of it is basically platitudes.

Second favourite is Rahima Khan, the Conservative candidate who has achived zero visibility since her selection last summer. She also talks about affordable social housing and apparently will curb developers marketing and selling homes to foreign investors (how?). Another policy is free breakfasts for primary school children (fair enough but presumably not from the greasy spoon in the Barking Road) and a mandatory 12 hours per week of sport for secondary school pupils (does she have the power to introduce this ?)

To the also-rans or the not-likely-to-get-off the starting blocks candidates - Chishala Kumalinga represents the Christian People's Alliance (CPA). A few years back Alan Craig and the CPA were the Opposition on Newham Council from their power base in Canning Town but that got swept away last time. Her flagship policy is to provide a night shelter and a free meal to anyone sleeping rough (sounds nice).

Daniel Oxley is standing for the Democrats & Veterans Party and for those who keep a close eye on such things, he was the UKIP candidate for East Ham at the 2017 GE. I wonder how many ex-UKIP people have joined this new grouping which seems to want to promote "British values" to achieve social cohesion (hmm). He supports PR (tick) but believes in Direct Democracy (whatever that means) where 20% of the registered electors can trigger a referendum on an issue.

Finally, Gareth Evans is the LD candidate. His main message is to set up a Violence Reduction Unit bringing together several agencies on the model of what has been adopted in Glasgow (no bad thing). He also wants to improve street cleaning (the problem isn't the cleaners, it's the residents dumping rubbish and fly-tipping).

So, there we have it. Not much to inspire if I'm being honest - nuggets of ideas which could work but in larger seas of platitudes or policies that are either beyond the Mayor's power or potentially illegal.

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

If that doesn't get delivered she carries the can - The buck stops with her - Particularly as it seems she can't control her own europhile MP's.

As for Corbyn - He might be just the kick of the arse our self-serving establishment needs - As they're in the process of betraying the voters on Brexit it looks like we'll have to get the message across through voting for Corbyn.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

YBarddCwsc said:

AnneJGP said:

Casino_Royale said:

Coal-mining, and nationalism.

As long as the majority of Welsh voters are content with the performance of the Welsh legislature, surely their position in league tables doesn't really matter? We may think it matters, but we aren't Welsh voters.

(i) A majority of voters are NOT content with the performance of the Welsh government. In 2016, Labour got 34.6 per cent of the constituency vote. and 31,5 % of the regional vote. Very far from a majority.

They sank even lower in 2007 - 32% and 29% - but still won 27 seats. That's how tough getting them out of office is. (As the rainbow alternative failed, and Plaid propped them up for four years by which time the Coalition were in government and a target for Morgan to aim at, in 2011 they regained their majority.)

It's also however why the collapse if they go below that might be cliff-edge rather than the gradual decline we've seen in Scotland.

But, you've got 15-20% voting for Plaid, whose only objection to Labour is that they are not left wing enough.

Quite. I expect the next government of Wales to be a Labour/PC coalition. PC will never back the Tories and I don't think it is possible for the Tories to outvote both of them. I therefore don't see how Labour ever get put out of government in Wales no matter how badly they perform.

'Vote Labour, Get Wood'?

You can't see the Wood for the trees

SandyRentool said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

YBarddCwsc said:

AnneJGP said:

Casino_Royale said:

Coal-mining, and nationalism.

As long as the majority of Welsh voters are content with the performance of the Welsh legislature, surely their position in league tables doesn't really matter? We may think it matters, but we aren't Welsh voters.

(i) A majority of voters are NOT content with the performance of the Welsh government. In 2016, Labour got 34.6 per cent of the constituency vote. and 31,5 % of the regional vote. Very far from a majority.

They sank even lower in 2007 - 32% and 29% - but still won 27 seats. That's how tough getting them out of office is. (As the rainbow alternative failed, and Plaid propped them up for four years by which time the Coalition were in government and a target for Morgan to aim at, in 2011 they regained their majority.)

It's also however why the collapse if they go below that might be cliff-edge rather than the gradual decline we've seen in Scotland.

But, you've got 15-20% voting for Plaid, whose only objection to Labour is that they are not left wing enough.

Quite. I expect the next government of Wales to be a Labour/PC coalition. PC will never back the Tories and I don't think it is possible for the Tories to outvote both of them. I therefore don't see how Labour ever get put out of government in Wales no matter how badly they perform.

'Vote Labour, Get Wood'?

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

If that doesn't get delivered she carries the can - The buck stops with her - Particularly as it seems she can't control her own europhile MP's.

As for Corbyn - He might be just the kick of the arse our self-serving establishment needs - As they're in the process of betraying the voters on Brexit it looks like we'll have to get the message across through voting for Corbyn instead.

stodge said:

Casino_Royale said:

The Government has, so far, got all of its main Brexit legislation past the Commons unamended.

On the second, I'm not sure. It would depend on the overall package. But, even if I wasn't, it wouldn't make me any more favourably disposed towards the EU, which I'd continue to have no confidence in and politically oppose.

I would be disappointed if we remained in the CU as it would effectively kill any notion of "Global Britain" and wreck our chances of becoming genuinely open for business.

I realise a CU would be "easier" for everyone but I hoped we had decided to leave the EU in order to set a new direction for the 2020s and beyond. Staying tied to the EU through the CU sounds a weak compromise.

Obviously, I could be wrong and the CU is off the agenda but there are some worrying signals growing.

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will

I called that earlier on this year*

If Theresa May keeps us in the customs union I'll do regularly threads saying she's the greatest Tory of her generation, even better than Dave and George.

The logical end game will be not to offer a referendum on a customs union, but to say in a few years time, well since we're in the customs union we might as well rejoin the single market.

Rejoining the single market and its restraint on state intervention will look brilliant after 5 years of PM Corbyn.

*In this thread. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/02/25/why-i-wont-be-surprised-to-see-a-general-election-or-corbyn-become-prime-minister-this-year/

That won't be the end game. The end game will be to apply to rejoin the EU.

The ultras know that if we do leave both the single market and customs union the UK will move on, and there will never be any going back.

The revolution was doomed when the revolutionaries left the ancien regime in power, its functionaries in work, and its institutions unreformed.

I fear that Brexiteers won the war but will lose the peace, and consequently the war will have been for nothing.

Who knows?

A lot of twists and turns to come yet. But, I have been anticipating serious trouble in the Lords for months.

I don’t think the Lords matters much when there is no Commons majority for the Government’s negotiating stance.

Are you still 100% in favour of Brexit if the government concedes a customs union that means someone else decides our trade policy?

I ask because I’m no longer sure myself.

The Government has, so far, got all of its main Brexit legislation past the Commons unamended.

On the second, I'm not sure. It would depend on the overall package. But, even if I wasn't, it wouldn't make me any more favourably disposed towards the EU, which I'd continue to have no confidence in and politically oppose.

I could live with the Single Market if we ended the madness of a non-contributory welfare state and health service, but it’s difficult to see a catalyst for that.

Elliot said:

BBC News reporting No 10 has re-emphasised in the last hour that we will leave the customs union. This, of course, was a pledge in the government party's manifesto so Lords should not stop it per constitutional custom. May would thus have every right to stack the upper house if unelected peers try to overrule the people.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Elliot said:

BBC News reporting No 10 has re-emphasised in the last hour that we will leave the customs union. This, of course, was a pledge in the government party's manifesto so Lords should not stop it per constitutional custom. May would thus have every right to stack the upper house if unelected peers try to overrule the people.

I think it is the HOC where the problem is but if she makes it a confidence vote it will be very interesting.

And she is stubborn

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Elliot said:

BBC News reporting No 10 has re-emphasised in the last hour that we will leave the customs union. This, of course, was a pledge in the government party's manifesto so Lords should not stop it per constitutional custom. May would thus have every right to stack the upper house if unelected peers try to overrule the people.

I think it is the HOC where the problem is but if she makes it a confidence vote it will be very interesting.

And she is stubborn

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

If that doesn't get delivered she carries the can - The buck stops with her - Particularly as it seems she can't control her own europhile MP's.

As for Corbyn - He might be just the kick of the arse our self-serving establishment needs - As they're in the process of betraying the voters on Brexit it looks like we'll have to get the message across through voting for Corbyn.

I’m not sure economic disaster is a sensible response to the betrayal of Brexit.

Sometimes you have to tear everything down in order to build something better...

I think you would greatly regret voting for Corbyn.

We can argue about it when we’re in the gulag.

another_richard said:

Does the Conservative really want to have TWELVE hours of mandatory sport for secondary school pupils per week ?

Unless the idea is to get them running around the streets where are the required sporting facilities to come from ?

Not that it matters as we all know Labour will win.

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

If the worst happens, then I'll probably withdraw from politics.

The UK remaining a bit-part player as a member state of a federal union, with the two main parties merely engaging in periodic squawks about the right tweaks to make to public spending, whilst pursuing very similar social policies, and otherwise wholly constrained by the EU, holds no interest for me.

So grandeur or nothing. Une certaine idée de l’Angleterre.

Who was the Tory in the 1950s who said that Britain would always be a great country, but that her people would need to divorce their self-esteem from great power status? It’s in Hennessy, “Having it so good: Britain in the Fifties”.

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

RoyalBlue said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

Some might think it unpatriotic to abandon one’s country when its politics aren’t going one’s way.

I’ll make an exception for Venezuela.

surby said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

Antartica ?

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

If that doesn't get delivered she carries the can - The buck stops with her - Particularly as it seems she can't control her own europhile MP's.

As for Corbyn - He might be just the kick of the arse our self-serving establishment needs - As they're in the process of betraying the voters on Brexit it looks like we'll have to get the message across through voting for Corbyn.

I’m not sure economic disaster is a sensible response to the betrayal of Brexit.

Sometimes you have to tear everything down in order to build something better...

I think you would greatly regret voting for Corbyn.

We can argue about it when we’re in the gulag.

My plan is to escape. Probably to somewhere like Calgary, which is in a soundly Conservative province of Canada (although not at the moment, as the PCs effectively split a few years ago, and have only belatedly reunited) and is consistently ranked in the top 10 cities to live in the world.

So you’d give up.

I don’t think you’d like the PCness of Canada. It makes the UK look like Texas.

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

If that doesn't get delivered she carries the can - The buck stops with her - Particularly as it seems she can't control her own europhile MP's.

As for Corbyn - He might be just the kick of the arse our self-serving establishment needs - As they're in the process of betraying the voters on Brexit it looks like we'll have to get the message across through voting for Corbyn.

I’m not sure economic disaster is a sensible response to the betrayal of Brexit.

Sometimes you have to tear everything down in order to build something better...

I think you would greatly regret voting for Corbyn.

We can argue about it when we’re in the gulag.

My plan is to escape. Probably to somewhere like Calgary, which is in a soundly Conservative province of Canada (although not at the moment, as the PCs effectively split a few years ago, and have only belatedly reunited) and is consistently ranked in the top 10 cities to live in the world.

So you’d give up.

I don’t think you’d like the PCness of Canada. It makes the UK look like Texas.

Um. Have you been to Alberta? It's pretty darn dry. And I'm used to the Maritimes, where most of my Canadian family lives, which returned wholly Liberal MPs at the last federal election.

I have no wish to endure the delights of Corbyn and McDonnell in office, which I think is the only way many of their supporters will learn their lesson. I feel no pressing need to either leave the UK or stay within it just to make a point, so given I have transferable skills in infrastructure I would do what's best for me and my family. I'd prefer Canada over the Middle East, or US (too foreign), New Zealand (too far/quiet) and Australia (too Australia).

RoyalBlue said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

I’ll make an exception for Venezuela.

surby said:

Tykejohnno said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

RoyalBlue said:

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT, I have taken Peter's tip of £10 on a GE this year at 10/1.

I will certainly struggle to continue to support May if she caves in on the Customs Union. It goes against the basis of the whole Government's negotiating position for the last 16 months. She must ensure the UK is no longer bound by the Common Commercial Policy or the Common External Tariff.

I can see her parliamentary position unravelling very quickly if she doesn't because Parliament (be it the HoC and/or the HoL) voting against it would amount to a VoNC, in my opinion.

It would be better to call the whole thing off then leave the EU but find ourselves stuck in all it's institutions like the customs union without any say on how all these institutions are run.

As for Theresa, the Brexiteers MUST get rid of her when she betrays Brexit. Even if that means the government falls and we have another general election and a Corbyn government...

If she's not dispatched for betraying Brexit the Tories will be unelectable for a decade.

It will be the mps and Lords who betray Brexit and TM will have to deliver the will of the Commons

There will be no election while Corbyn is around

Sorry, she's in charge (supposedly)

She's the one saying "Brexit means Brexit" She's the one who stood for election on a platform that we'd leave the SM and CU.

I’m not sure economic disaster is a sensible response to the betrayal of Brexit.

Sometimes you have to tear everything down in order to build something better...

I think you would greatly regret voting for Corbyn.

We can argue about it when we’re in the gulag.

If i think she's betrayed my leave vote - Corbyn it is.

I don't think the 52% were thinking of the "customs union" in June 2016. They wanted the bloody foreigners out - that means Freedom of Movement which is to do with the single market.

The UK staying within the customs union will not be inconsistent with the literal interpretation of the vote in 2016.

AndyJS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

Canada or New Zealand for us

If I could live in Canada, I’d go to Toronto. I’d probably come back here at some point though. I don’t really want to live in another country permenantly.

Our eldest son and his wife live in Vancouver and BC is incredible for it's scenery, wild life, sport and a good way of living

I spent 2 nights in Seattle a few months ago but I haven't been to Vancouver so far. It rained most of the time.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

... and the government is taxing us all!

Good night Big_G!

Cyclefree said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AndyJS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

Canada or New Zealand for us

If I could live in Canada, I’d go to Toronto. I’d probably come back here at some point though. I don’t really want to live in another country permenantly.

Our eldest son and his wife live in Vancouver and BC is incredible for it's scenery, wild life, sport and a good way of living

I spent 2 nights in Seattle a few months ago but I haven't been to Vancouver so far. It rained most of the time.

Recommend you visit and go and explore the rocky mountains or take a cruise to Alaska

Two of my favourite places in that part of the world. Vancouver Island and the San Juan Islands, the later is a part few international tourists go, and even the former not many head over to the far side of the island to places like Tofino.

I went to Vancouver Island last September and stayed just near Tofino - a wonderful place!

Beverley_C said:

Tykejohnno said:

@Surby,that's not you surbiton is it ?

Please stop the foreigners out crap,for many people on the leave side who voted because of immigration was for control of our borders.

Surely we only need "control of our borders" to keep the foreigners out?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

... and the government is taxing us all!

Good night Big_G!

Just wait until Supreme Leader gets in....the government will REALLLLLLLY be taxing all those who choose to stay, until the pips squeak.

Guffaw! "...all those who choose to stay..."

Outside the rarified world of PB, I can assure you the overwhelming majority across the country do not have a realistic way of choosing to live elsewhere in the world*.

(* Unless we include moving to another country in the EU, and Leavers doing their best to close that option down).

Even if we were still in the EU the extra numbers of Brits moving to mainland Europe for work would be minimal as most don't have the language skills to be employable.

Beverley_C said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

... and the government is taxing us all!

Good night Big_G!

Just wait until Supreme Leader gets in....the government will REALLLLLLLY be taxing all those who choose to stay, until the pips squeak.

Guffaw! "...all those who choose to stay..."

Outside the rarified world of PB, I can assure you the overwhelming majority across the country do not have a realistic way of choosing to live elsewhere in the world*.

(* Unless we include moving to another country in the EU, and Leavers doing their best to close that option down).

Maybe the Leavers need "control of the borders", not to keep foreigners out, but to keep us in. Sort of a British Berlin Wall scenario

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AndyJS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

I’d have thought that Conservatives on here would be more inclined towards going to Australia or America.

Canada or New Zealand for us

If I could live in Canada, I’d go to Toronto. I’d probably come back here at some point though. I don’t really want to live in another country permenantly.

Our eldest son and his wife live in Vancouver and BC is incredible for it's scenery, wild life, sport and a good way of living

I spent 2 nights in Seattle a few months ago but I haven't been to Vancouver so far. It rained most of the time.

Recommend you visit and go and explore the rocky mountains or take a cruise to Alaska

Two of my favourite places in that part of the world. Vancouver Island and the San Juan Islands, the later is a part few international tourists go, and even the former not many head over to the far side of the island to places like Tofino.

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

... and the government is taxing us all!

Good night Big_G!

Just wait until Supreme Leader gets in....the government will REALLLLLLLY be taxing all those who choose to stay, until the pips squeak.

Guffaw! "...all those who choose to stay..."

Outside the rarified world of PB, I can assure you the overwhelming majority across the country do not have a realistic way of choosing to live elsewhere in the world*.

(* Unless we include moving to another country in the EU, and Leavers doing their best to close that option down).

Even if we were still in the EU the extra numbers of Brits moving to mainland Europe for work would be minimal as most don't have the language skills to be employable.

A million Brits went to Oz in the 1970s though.

Australia is comfortably the top destination for British emigrants, followed by the USA with Spain third
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/holidays/article-3033680/The-destinations-Britons-emigrating-revealed-Spain-number-three.html

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Time to call it a day once more

Hope everyone has a pleasant nights rest.

Politics is taxing many at present

Good night folks

... and the government is taxing us all!

Good night Big_G!

Just wait until Supreme Leader gets in....the government will REALLLLLLLY be taxing all those who choose to stay, until the pips squeak.

Guffaw! "...all those who choose to stay..."

Outside the rarified world of PB, I can assure you the overwhelming majority across the country do not have a realistic way of choosing to live elsewhere in the world*.

(* Unless we include moving to another country in the EU, and Leavers doing their best to close that option down).

Even if we were still in the EU the extra numbers of Brits moving to mainland Europe for work would be minimal as most don't have the language skills to be employable.

A million Brits went to Oz in the 1970s though.

Australia is comfortably the top destination for British emigrants, followed by the USA with Spain third
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/holidays/article-3033680/The-destinations-Britons-emigrating-revealed-Spain-number-three.html

Surprised numbers going to Canada is so low. Thriving oil and gas industry (and all the ancillary stuff like fire and police needed), plus lots of creative high tech industries have relocated from Seattle to Vancouver (due to tax incentives) are definitely in the wheel house of things Brits are known to be well skilled in. Plus pretty liberal immigration policy for those skilled in the in-demand sectors.

Beverley_C said:

RobD said:

Beverley_C said:

Benpointer said:

Beverley_C said:

Tykejohnno said:

@Surby,that's not you surbiton is it ?

Please stop the foreigners out crap,for many people on the leave side who voted because of immigration was for control of our borders.

Surely we only need "control of our borders" to keep the foreigners out?

Not forgetting the option it gives us to expel some of our own citizens who can't evidence their residence throughout every one of the past 50-70 years!

Can any of us? Your Birth Certificate is not evidence of identity and many of us earned nothing before 16 to 20 years old and I certainly have never possessed a "Landing Card".

The passport office accepts birth certificates as proof of citizenship.

Which is more than the Registrar who issues them does - it says clearly on the bottom of Birth Certificates that they are not evidence of identity.