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We have seen since the general election that there is an increasing divide between the views of team Corbyn and those who voted for the party at the last general election on Brexit. Overwhelmingly LAB GE2017 voters believe that the decision to leave the EU was wrong which appears out of line with the policies being pursued by the opposition front bench under Mr Corbyn.
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Corbyn is getting flayed alive in the Commons: by his OWN backbenchers.
And what now of the pb stance on this?!
https://news.sky.com/story/poll-nearly-half-of-britons-support-uk-taking-part-in-airstrikes-11333862
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2nd like Spurs in the PL......0
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Corbyn won't care. He has Blair's level of righteousness for his own outlook.0
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Great news that the Home Office has backed down now in the case of Dr Ong. Their stance was increasingly idiotic but then they had worked for 7 years under a political leader who's sole criterion of a good immigration policy was chuck out as many as the nasty foreigners as you can.
Rudd is no better.0 -
I feel like a Corbyn in the pocket of Putin would be a fairly effective attack poster. Not sure how many votes would change over it though.0
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I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...0
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You're looking for 'the' PB stance?Handymandy1980 said:Corbyn is getting flayed alive in the Commons: by his OWN backbenchers.
And what now of the pb stance on this?!
https://news.sky.com/story/poll-nearly-half-of-britons-support-uk-taking-part-in-airstrikes-11333862
The PB Tory stance is that there isn't such a thing, only splendidly multifarious, robustly argued opinions.0 -
She is that mad, she makes Alex Jones look sane....MaxPB said:
With friends like these..TheScreamingEagles said:OMG.
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
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OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
So they have all resigned the whip and will announce a new grouping tomorrow, yes?Handymandy1980 said:Corbyn is getting flayed alive in the Commons: by his OWN backbenchers.
And what now of the pb stance on this?!
https://news.sky.com/story/poll-nearly-half-of-britons-support-uk-taking-part-in-airstrikes-11333862
Perhaps not.0 -
Never go full Corbynista....0
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On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.0
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It is resssuring that 58% of Labour voters can still see the bleeding obvious regardless of what the Jezaster and some of the weirdos behind him say.
There is hope for British democracy, if not very much.0 -
And that Dr. Mengele, he was awfully nice, wasn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
What an absolute zoomer.0 -
And a bunch of Labour MPs at the demo in support of Assad - Williamson, Dent- Coad, etcFrancisUrquhart said:
She is that mad, she makes Alex Jones look sane....MaxPB said:
With friends like these..TheScreamingEagles said:OMG.
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/9859506673815920640 -
Well when your leader suggests that perhaps the chemical attacks were faked....felix said:
And a bunch of Labour MPs at the demo in support of Assad - Williamson, Dent- Coad, etcFrancisUrquhart said:
She is that mad, she makes Alex Jones look sane....MaxPB said:
With friends like these..TheScreamingEagles said:OMG.
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
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Acted without the prior consent of Parliament, murdered children with nerve agents and phosphates. Its all a moral equivalence really, isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
Robert Ley as well.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
And that Dr. Mengele, he was awfully nice, wasn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
What an absolute zoomer.
Dr Crippen had his moments too.0 -
Well when your leader suggests that perhaps the chemical attacks were faked....TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/9859506673815920640 -
It's OK TSE, majority opinion still opposes pineapple on pizza. All is not yet lost.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.
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TSE - there are people on the centre-right who are against the Syria war including myself, so please do not just label this as Corbynista's who are against it. Follow the money and you'll see straight through the official narrative. For a government which has never told us the true reason behind the ongoing Syria conflict, (wishing to build an oil and gas pipeline from Qatar to western Europe to reduce dependence on Russian energy) why you and other cheerleaders on here believe them so unthinkingly is beyond me.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.
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Is that Eric Idle?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
Not really....AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
And that Dr. Mengele, he was awfully nice, wasn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
Nah, 53% of voters like pineapple on pizza.ydoethur said:
It's OK TSE, majority opinion still opposes pineapple on pizza. All is not yet lost.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/12/24/reviewing-2017-the-polling-that-made-me-think-53-of-the-electorate-should-be-denied-the-vote/0 -
It really is scary as shit...these nutjobs used to be a tiny minority who people rightly ignored as they ranted about their alternative reality...now they are within striking distance of taking power.0
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OK, I'm persuaded. We're fucked.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, 53% of voters like pineapple on pizza.ydoethur said:
It's OK TSE, majority opinion still opposes pineapple on pizza. All is not yet lost.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/12/24/reviewing-2017-the-polling-that-made-me-think-53-of-the-electorate-should-be-denied-the-vote/0 -
Respect my mandate. The people have spoken.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, 53% of voters like pineapple on pizza.ydoethur said:
It's OK TSE, majority opinion still opposes pineapple on pizza. All is not yet lost.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic with Brexit and the resurgence of the hard unpatriotic left I'm struggling to recognise my country.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/12/24/reviewing-2017-the-polling-that-made-me-think-53-of-the-electorate-should-be-denied-the-vote/
Also Williamson is quite the idiot, isn't he? Never heard of him until this last year, but he's astonishingly poor.0 -
She's definitely over the hill...and far away, intellectually speaking.williamglenn said:
Is that Eric Idle?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/9859419912037908480 -
You’re a very naughty boy...williamglenn said:
Is that Eric Idle?TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
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If true as a report - dear God.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
What are the many many decent Labour MPs doing with these loons in charge? Umunna, Kinnock, Benn, Phillips (who made a good speech today) and many more, I am sure, would be no more comfortable with the likes of Milne prowling about as eminence grise and conceivably with great influence in the future over our foreign policy and security, with Corbyn in charge of keeping us safe, than I am.0 -
There is video...welshowl said:
If true as a report - dear God.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
What are the many many decent Labour MPs doing with these loons in charge? Umunna, Kinnock, Benn, Phillips (who made a good speech today) and many more, I am sure, would be no more comfortable with the likes of Milne prowling about as eminence grise and conceivably with great influence in the future over our foreign policy and security, with Corbyn in charge of keeping us safe, than I am.0 -
Another unfortunate accident: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43781351
Being a journalist in Russia is a seriously dangerous occupation. No end of accidents might befall you.0 -
keep digging jezza0
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More useful idiots,
Church leaders have been slammed for meeting Syrian officials and praising the country a day after the UK launched military strikes against chemical weapons sites.
A British delegation including Anglican vicars Andrew Ashdown and Giles Fraser and peers Baroness Cox and Lord Dykes have been holding meetings with the Assad regime.
And they have been tweeting pictures praising how pretty the city is and condemning the airstrikes launched by Britain, the US and France.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5620467/British-church-leaders-slammed-visiting-Syria-talks-Assad-regime.html0 -
Re the Sky Data posted earlier. They were also the only ones to pretty much show support for or against the strikes level pegging last week - all the others showed a more sceptical attitude to the strikes, so I’d look out for other polls to see what they say.0
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I'm not looking for a bet, but would anyone like to have a go at working out the probability the Premier League title not being retained for the next eight seasons?
The reason I ask is that this is ninth season in a row that it has not been retained. This equals the run from 1984-85 to 1992-93, but it is still eight short of the record of 17 set between 1959-60 and 1975-76.0 -
It is the fleck of white spittle in the corner of her mouth that really seals the deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
Totally potty0 -
Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
Speaker grants emergency debate on Syria tomorrow.0
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Good day for May , spoiled by the Windrush generation treatment by the Home Office.Which has led all the news bulletins.0
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Bercow coordinating with Labour again0
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Waiting for the investigation? That was blocked by Russia, wasn't it?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?0 -
Could it just be that as the fuller picture emerges and people are appraised of the level of international support and nature of the legal basis, support for this legitimate action has grown?The_Apocalypse said:Re the Sky Data posted earlier. They were also the only ones to pretty much show support for or against the strikes level pegging last week - all the others showed a more sceptical attitude to the strikes, so I’d look out for other polls to see what they say.
It takes time to educate and inform. Though some would prefer to smear and misdirect.0 -
I love Matthew Parris even more.
He described Enoch Powell/The Rivers of Blood speech as a stupid person's idea of someone clever.0 -
Dr Sunil and Dr Andrea too ....
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The UN isn't the sole arbiter of what constitutes international law and certainly comments from a Bolivian ambassador don't constitute a full legal analysis of what went onhunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
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If you want your irony meters calibrating.
https://twitter.com/Dale_Pankhurst/status/9852205251516702720 -
Today was a chance to ask questions and get answers. A debate is a chance to bloviate.DavidL said:
And what was today? Weird.JackW said:Speaker grants emergency debate on Syria tomorrow.
I would prefer far more extended question sessions and far fewer debates. Most HoC debates achieve very, very little. Forensic questioning can achieve a lot more.0 -
It's why I typically fly under my other title....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Support could have risen for the strikes, but as I said, I’d wait for other polls to reflect that. At the time when the first YouGov poll came out the Sky Data poll was used as counter to it, until all the other polls came from ComRes, Opinium Survation etc. which to varying degrees showed the same picture as YouGov.oxfordsimon said:
Could it just be that as the fuller picture emerges and people are appraised of the level of international support and nature of the legal basis, support for this legitimate action has grown?The_Apocalypse said:Re the Sky Data posted earlier. They were also the only ones to pretty much show support for or against the strikes level pegging last week - all the others showed a more sceptical attitude to the strikes, so I’d look out for other polls to see what they say.
It takes time to educate and inform. Though some would prefer to smear and misdirect.0 -
Emergency debate on Syria now by acclamation of the HoC0
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Professor?RobD said:
It's why I typically fly under my other title....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I have heard that said about Stephen Fry.TheScreamingEagles said:I love Matthew Parris even more.
He described Enoch Powell/The Rivers of Blood speech as a stupid person's idea of someone clever.
My idea of someone stupid, is someone who nearly drowns swimming the Thames for want of a grasp of the difference between GMT and BST.0 -
I was thinking when Moses brought plagues on Egypt for not releasing the Hebrews, but there are probably earlier examples. Where is @MorrisDancer when you need him?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And, FWIW, IANAE, my understanding is that the components of chemical weapons are not mixed until they are about to be deployed and are much less dangerous in that state.
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Titles are so overrated ....RobD said:
It's why I typically fly under my other title....TheScreamingEagles said:
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The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
You should always bow to experts in such matters ...TheScreamingEagles said:If you want your irony meters calibrating.
https://twitter.com/Dale_Pankhurst/status/9852205251516702720 -
When the US, France and the UK bombed the alleged sites the day before the OPCW inspectors were going to go there, I don't think we're in any position to lecture the Russians on this?RobD said:
Waiting for the investigation? That was blocked by Russia, wasn't it?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And what happened to the inconvenient findings by the independent Swiss laboratory that the nerve agent used was BZ, which fits in with Yulia Skripal's recovery, and the fact that Sergei Skripal was going to be dead within days when it was alleged that military grade Novichok was used. And Russia has never produced BZ nerve agent unlike Porton Down, that couldn't conclusively prove that it was Russia .....because they had no Russian sample of Novichok with which to compare.
You really couldn't make all this **** up could you!0 -
You share my understanding about the nature of chemical weapons and how they can be destroyed with minimal risk. It was certainly discussed in the press in those terms over the weekend.DavidL said:
I was thinking when Moses brought plagues on Egypt for not releasing the Hebrews, but there are probably earlier examples. Where is @MorrisDancer when you need him?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And, FWIW, IANAE, my understanding is that the components of chemical weapons are not mixed until they are about to be deployed and are much less dangerous in that state.0 -
A more modest Mr.TheScreamingEagles said:
Professor?RobD said:
It's why I typically fly under my other title....TheScreamingEagles said:
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Can you tell us about the Russian equivalent of Companies House; presumably you're all over those files? Might actually be something newsworthy to find there...hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
There was a tweet earlier suggesting Russia had been to the suspected chemical weapons sites in the days after the attack. Removing evidence before the OPCW inspectors arrived, no doubt.hunchman said:
When the US, France and the UK bombed the alleged sites the day before the OPCW inspectors were going to go there, I don't think we're in any position to lecture the Russians on this?RobD said:
Waiting for the investigation? That was blocked by Russia, wasn't it?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And what happened to the inconvenient findings by the independent Swiss laboratory that the nerve agent used was BZ, which fits in with Yulia Skripal's recovery, and the fact that Sergei Skripal was going to be dead within days when it was alleged that military grade Novichok was used. And Russia has never produced BZ nerve agent unlike Porton Down, that couldn't conclusively prove that it was Russia .....because they had no Russian sample of Novichok with which to compare.
You really couldn't make all this **** up could you!0 -
Can we please refrain from feeding the paranoid conspiracy theories of Mr Putin's latest bot? With luck, he(?) might give up and go away if we all ignore him.
It's even less interesting than the endless discussions we had about Brexit last year and that is saying something.0 -
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?0 -
The primary aim of the OPCW investigation is to gather data from the sites where the weapons were deployed.hunchman said:
When the US, France and the UK bombed the alleged sites the day before the OPCW inspectors were going to go there, I don't think we're in any position to lecture the Russians on this?RobD said:
Waiting for the investigation? That was blocked by Russia, wasn't it?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And what happened to the inconvenient findings by the independent Swiss laboratory that the nerve agent used was BZ, which fits in with Yulia Skripal's recovery, and the fact that Sergei Skripal was going to be dead within days when it was alleged that military grade Novichok was used. And Russia has never produced BZ nerve agent unlike Porton Down, that couldn't conclusively prove that it was Russia .....because they had no Russian sample of Novichok with which to compare.
You really couldn't make all this **** up could you!
Sites which they are being prevented from accessing by Syria and Russia.
The only people making stuff up are apologists for these regimes.0 -
International law is hokum, it's something you make up ad hoc after winning a war as a pretext for getting medieval on the asses of the conquered. Also, I am pretty sure that running your entire national economy on the illegal drugs trade is a breach of it.oxfordsimon said:
The UN isn't the sole arbiter of what constitutes international law and certainly comments from a Bolivian ambassador don't constitute a full legal analysis of what went onhunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
Tricky....rcs1000 said:
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?
Actually, I'm going for the one in government. He can do things. Chris Williamson will always be on the lunatic fringe with no power.0 -
To be fair, Dr Shipman was always willing to do housecalls...TheScreamingEagles said:OMG.
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
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Or the one with crazy views in the government ?rcs1000 said:
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?0 -
Hunchman - given the OPCW confirmed that the nerve agent used in Salisbury was Novichock, surely they have be a biased an unreliable source in your eyes. What good could they do in Syria?oxfordsimon said:
The primary aim of the OPCW investigation is to gather data from the sites where the weapons were deployed.hunchman said:
When the US, France and the UK bombed the alleged sites the day before the OPCW inspectors were going to go there, I don't think we're in any position to lecture the Russians on this?RobD said:
Waiting for the investigation? That was blocked by Russia, wasn't it?hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And what happened to the inconvenient findings by the independent Swiss laboratory that the nerve agent used was BZ, which fits in with Yulia Skripal's recovery, and the fact that Sergei Skripal was going to be dead within days when it was alleged that military grade Novichok was used. And Russia has never produced BZ nerve agent unlike Porton Down, that couldn't conclusively prove that it was Russia .....because they had no Russian sample of Novichok with which to compare.
You really couldn't make all this **** up could you!
Sites which they are being prevented from accessing by Syria and Russia.
The only people making stuff up are apologists for these regimes.0 -
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The one who looks at hedgehogs, or the one who looks like a hog's head the night Jeremy Corbyn was a guest at the Piers Gaveston society?rcs1000 said:
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?0 -
I assume she's never heard of Josef Mengele.oxfordsimon said:
It is the fleck of white spittle in the corner of her mouth that really seals the deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
Totally potty0 -
Which pathway? Physics or history?TheScreamingEagles said:
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The one who notionally commands our nuclear subs.rcs1000 said:
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?
You know he'll do what he thinks is the best for making him Theresa's successor.0 -
That is unfair - it is not a fully codified system but there are a whole range of treaties, conventions and rulings by the International Court of Justice which come together to form the basis of what we term International Law.Ishmael_Z said:
International law is hokum, it's something you make up ad hoc after winning a war as a pretext for getting medieval on the asses of the conquered. Also, I am pretty sure that running your entire national economy on the illegal drugs trade is a breach of it.oxfordsimon said:
The UN isn't the sole arbiter of what constitutes international law and certainly comments from a Bolivian ambassador don't constitute a full legal analysis of what went onhunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
Can cause embarrassment and difficulty for pharmacists who hold doctorates in various subjects.TheScreamingEagles said:
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think that there is an argument that having a slightly curious obsession with hedgehogs is different from being an apologist for a mass murderer like Assad (or just a common or garden murderer like Putin). It was weird though.ydoethur said:
The one who looks at hedgehogs, or the one who looks like a hog's head the night Jeremy Corbyn was a guest at the Piers Gaveston society?rcs1000 said:
Question for PBers: which Williamson is more dangerous?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Chris Williamson has gone off the reservation which is saying something.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/985949748690595840
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/985950667381592064
The one with the crazy views, or the one in government?0 -
Will Parliament be voting on Syria tonight/tomorrow?0
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The history way, I was always fascinated by the religious history of the persecution of the likes of Galileo/Copernicus.ydoethur said:
Which pathway? Physics or history?TheScreamingEagles said:
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus I loved physics too, really proud of my A in A Level physics.0 -
That's a Jewish conspiracy.Carolus_Rex said:
I assume she's never heard of Josef Mengele.oxfordsimon said:
It is the fleck of white spittle in the corner of her mouth that really seals the deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
Totally potty0 -
Ah, now we know where the lewd Heisenberg jokes come from!TheScreamingEagles said:
The history way, I was always fascinated by the religious history of the persecution of the likes of Galileo/Copernicus.ydoethur said:
Which pathway? Physics or history?TheScreamingEagles said:
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus I loved physics too, really proud of my A in A Level physics.0 -
That's interesting you say that Mortimer. First you should look where Yukos UK and its subsidiary companies such as Yukos Services were launched out of, and then follow where that leads to - here's a clue, a large island in the eastern Mediterranean.Mortimer said:
Can you tell us about the Russian equivalent of Companies House; presumably you're all over those files? Might actually be something newsworthy to find there...hunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
Your last sentence is simply fucking wrong and not even worth debating again.hunchman said:And what happened to the inconvenient findings by the independent Swiss laboratory that the nerve agent used was BZ, which fits in with Yulia Skripal's recovery, and the fact that Sergei Skripal was going to be dead within days when it was alleged that military grade Novichok was used. And Russia has never produced BZ nerve agent unlike Porton Down, that couldn't conclusively prove that it was Russia .....because they had no Russian sample of Novichok with which to compare.
As to the rest of it, it seems that there is in fact a good explanation for other agents being found. It looks like the Russians are bullshitting again, by this time omitting some important context.
Apparently when the OPCW test a sample to identify what it contains they also send some control samples. They don't tell the people testing which sample is which, the OPCW send three (or more) unidentified samples. One is real, one is a false negative (nothing), one is a false positive (a known agent, BZ perhaps in this case as Novichok is only in stockpiles in Russia and Iran). This is in order to ensure the samples are tested fairly and properly. i.e. The lab results aren't simply a fabricated positive or negative result, if done correctly the false negative and false positives will come back as expected.
So what the Russians are saying is "they found BZ, so it's not Novichok", when in reality the BZ might simply be the false positive control sample, as would be expected. This is part of the testing protocol and irrelevant to the actual real sample result.
Basically the Russians are now using OPCW procedures to undermine the organisation itself.0 -
Just think an entire generation of schoolchildren/studentw could have been educated by me.RobD said:
Ah, now we know where the lewd Heisenberg jokes come from!TheScreamingEagles said:
The history way, I was always fascinated by the religious history of the persecution of the likes of Galileo/Copernicus.ydoethur said:
Which pathway? Physics or history?TheScreamingEagles said:
When I was working out what degree to choose for university one of the long term routes I looked at was getting a doctorate in history of physics.ydoethur said:
The irony being of course that most medics called 'Dr' are not, in fact, real doctors like Sunil and me...TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus I loved physics too, really proud of my A in A Level physics.
Not sure who dodged a bullet there.
I realised at an early age I was temperamentally unsuited to be a teach/lecturer.0 -
Been out to dinner with the lovely lady wife, and just catching up. Mrs May isn’t the best public speaker in the world, and struggles to find her words sometimes when on her feet rather than reading a statement, but her performance in the Commons today was very good indeed, possibly the best I’ve seen her as PM.
The less said about the apologist for Assad and Putin that was sitting opposite her, the better. Hopefully Labour MPs will take the opportunity to do something about this danger to the country before he gets the chance of power.0 -
Very telling that not one of you can provide a satisfactory response to my questions on Syria.
As for Chris Williamson, i hope you all know the real reason why he resigned as the Shadow Fire Minister? And no, don't go looking anywhere in the mainstream press to find out because you simply won't find it.
Mr Williamson has a number of difficulties, not least his historic association with the UCATT trade union. Once again, follow the money.0 -
Don't feed the
trollsconspiracy loons...0 -
How come the government that can oversee that vast conspiracy at Finchley Road which only PBers are aware of can make a complete Horlicks over the Windrush generation?
I mean Amber Rudd is involved in both isn't she?0 -
Is it possible to provide conspiracy theorists such as yourself with satisfactory answers? I doubt it.hunchman said:Very telling that not one of you can provide a satisfactory response to my questions on Syria.
As for Chris Williamson, i hope you all know the real reason why he resigned as the Shadow Fire Minister? And no, don't go looking anywhere in the mainstream press to find out because you simply won't find it.
Mr Williamson has a number of difficulties, not least his historic association with the UCATT trade union. Once again, follow the money.0 -
I have a horrible feeling that if you told her that, she'd actually believe you.JackW said:
That's a Jewish conspiracy.Carolus_Rex said:
I assume she's never heard of Josef Mengele.oxfordsimon said:
It is the fleck of white spittle in the corner of her mouth that really seals the deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
OMG.FrancisUrquhart said:I think the "assad is a very nice man, he's a doctor", lady needs another posting...
Also as the son/grandson of Doctors all I can say is Harold Shipman.
You really need to watch the video of this woman.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
Totally potty0 -
True, but it lacks the interpretability (by judges and juries) and enforceability (via depriving you of your property and/or liberty) which are key features of real law.oxfordsimon said:
That is unfair - it is not a fully codified system but there are a whole range of treaties, conventions and rulings by the International Court of Justice which come together to form the basis of what we term International Law.Ishmael_Z said:
International law is hokum, it's something you make up ad hoc after winning a war as a pretext for getting medieval on the asses of the conquered. Also, I am pretty sure that running your entire national economy on the illegal drugs trade is a breach of it.oxfordsimon said:
The UN isn't the sole arbiter of what constitutes international law and certainly comments from a Bolivian ambassador don't constitute a full legal analysis of what went onhunchman said:Very sensible comments from the Bolivian ambassador to the UN today at 10.30 minutes in on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bGyf_aKPhE
He's quite right that international law has been violated. Note May described the action as conforming to 'International norms' ie not International Law. When has it become the international norm to defy international law?
And even better, have a look at the CNN report at 29 minutes in - a reported smelling the clothes at the alleged site of the chemical weapons attack! How pathetic can you get! If you want a proper chemical weapons attack, look at the coverage of the Sarin attack on the Tokyo underground back in 1995 where no reporters were allowed anywhere near the site, and all the investigators were wearing proper full body chemical protection suits. And the sad thing given the state of mainstream media reporting today is that they think everyone will accept the official narrative unthinkingly.
Even if we take the Prime Minister at her word that "large part of chemical regime 'destroyed' by missiles" - then how has the bombing destroyed these chemical weapons without risking deadly chemicals being released from the bombs used, potentially killing and maiming the Syrian people unlucky enough to be near these alleged sites? Well predictably there's been no answer on that one......or for that matter any mainstream journalist brave enough to ask the question.0 -
I note Bristol's return to the Aviva Rugby Premiership has prompted them to seek the support of gay hirsute men in the west country. Will other parts of the LGBT community throw their rainbow scatter cushions up in gay abandon ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/437842210
