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Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/979352470110564352

Err, can Carole Cadwalladr not read?

Carole does Human Interest stories - feelings, emotions, impressions not yer actual Investigative journalism

Mr Sandpit.

Sixteen million people voted Remain. I've no doubt that included paedophiles, murderers, and any number of racists of all descriptions. Even more voted Leave, much to some Remainers' displeasure.

PS On reading the previous thread, I didn't understand the award to Ms Cyclefree but it's definitely bloody impressive. Very well done.

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat

Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.

I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.

Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.

It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/979378333296287744

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

It looks like Alan Beith's success was very much a personal vote since the moment he left it reverted back to a relatively safe Conservative seat.

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

There is a story that Berwick on Tweed is still at war with Russia because it was in Scotland when England signed the peace treaty and in England when Scotland signed the peace treaty.

Possible angle to leverage Berwick with a surprise attack on Russia without having to re-declare war.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

IIRC the previous MP resigned under ‘somewhat’ of a cloud.

CD13 said:

Mr Sandpit,

"we don’t wish to be associated with such comments."

I wouldn't worry about that. Mr Meeks won't believe you anyway, so why not take the chance to stir him up a bit more?

I’m trying my best to be nicer than that. Certain posters are clearly afflicted by particular subjects, which causes their usual intelligence to desert them. Political debate is better when people engage with each other rather than hurling insults across the room.

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat

Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.

I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.

Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.

It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.

Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.

The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.

Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)

JonnyJimmy said:

Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster

*looks at stamps in passport*

Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.

Visa-free travel to a country is also determined by that country, so it’s up to Ukraine who they wish to let in with whatever paperwork.

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat

Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.

I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.

Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.

It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.

Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.

The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.

'Under the radar' electioneering sounds a bit dodgy but as long as any ads state who paid for them, then if people are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet without checking then that's their issue.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

David_Evershed said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

There is a story that Berwick on Tweed is still at war with Russia because it was in Scotland when England signed the peace treaty and in England when Scotland signed the peace treaty.

Possible angle to leverage Berwick with a surprise attack on Russia without having to re-declare war.

Surprisingly true and it also changed hands berween England and Scotland 13 times

You would have thought one of them would have wanted it!

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.

Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)

Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.

Never played Seahouses but had a family trip to Berwick last year and taught my grandchildren about Grace Darling visiting her museum in Bamborough and taking them on a boat trip from Seahouses to the Farne Islands

For Trolls everywhere
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10155817184421939/

williamglenn said:

JonathanD said:

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat

Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.

I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.

Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.

It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.

.

The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.

'Under the radar' electioneering sounds a bit dodgy but as long as any ads state who paid for them, then if people are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet without checking then that's their issue.

Arguably having something appear in the name of the official campaign that the other side are not able to rebut gives it additional credibility. It's no longer just some random nonsense on the internet.

I think it would be better though, if, rather than relying on the credibility of who makes a statement to determine truth , people actually evaluated and researched the claim.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. W, well, if you're going to resign over one prostitute you might as well enjoy several.

I bow to your greater and far more personal knowledge on such matters.

williamglenn said:

Arguably having something appear in the name of the official campaign that the other side are not able to rebut gives it additional credibility. It's no longer just some random nonsense on the internet.

In principle, targetted on-line ads are not very different to targetted leaflets. However, voters tend to stick the leaflets straight in the bin without reading them. Perhaps they'll learn to ignore on-line ads in the same way.

CarlottaVance said:

twitter.com/britainelects/status/979378333296287744

27% of the population need sectioning....

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/979354996570558464

It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.

Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)

Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.

I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.

Pro_Rata said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.

Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)

Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.

I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.

Think the GUR signs may have expanded somewhat on your departure !!!!

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.

Sandpit said:

RoyalBlue said:

Sandpit said:

JonnyJimmy said:

Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster

*looks at stamps in passport*

Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.

I think you might want to read it again

If they’re saying that Ukrainians can now visit the UK without a visa then the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit will be over the moon!

It's only for the Schengen zone. If the UK were part of the Schengen zone then Mrs Sandpit could rejoice.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Pro_Rata said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

JackW said:

Yorkcity said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Yorkcity said:

https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

That URL is misleading.

I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?

Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.

I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there

Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.

Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)

Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.

I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.

Think the GUR signs may have expanded somewhat on your departure !!!!

As we had an uncanny knack of finding the existing, admittedly extensive, GUR, it was more the case that it was going to stay GUR for rather longer than would have been expected.

rcs1000 said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.

So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.

Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

An engineering/aerospace/defence group that was bid for by Melrose.

Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

Edit to add part two: also Melrose aren't long-term owners of GKN. They will likely refloat in three years at a price 50% higher.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

Britains oldest engineering conglomerate, gone to the asset strippers of Melrose.

I sold my shares under the Melrose hostile takeover. I did well on them for the last five years.

Richard_Nabavi said:

rcs1000 said:

Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

Not any more - it was merged with Finmeccanica's Agusta helicopter division in 2000, and GLN later sold their share of the joint venture to Finmeccanica.

Ah. I'm several years out of date

Assuming everyone saw the rise in investment spending in the UK? 4% is not a bad number, however the concern is that it splits 3.8% of the rise was due to property investment, and just 0.2% everything else.

Scott_P said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Bye bye GKN.

The vote was 52/48

Get over it...

LOL! I'm more exercised by the fact that I was a shareholder in GKN but finally lost patience and sold last year after the price had drifted steadily downwards. I should have waited. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Foxy said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

Britains oldest engineering conglomerate, gone to the asset strippers of Melrose.

I sold my shares under the Melrose hostile takeover. I did well on them for the last five years.

To be fair, I don't think Melrose are asset-strippers. And after all, GKN's hurried attempt to flog off a large chunk of their business to Dana makes it hard to argue that Melrose don't have a point.

Tezzie on BBC wearing a sensible necklace. Something has changed! Something has changed!

RoyalBlue said:

NickPalmer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/979354996570558464

It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.

Wanting a softer Brexit and wanting to cancel it are not the same, at all.

Good try though.

Ah, I was replying to a post suggesting it showed a comfortable lead in support of the current approach. I agree that not many people think that canceling it is a realistic policy.

NickPalmer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/979354996570558464

It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.

I was in this Yougov.

There was not an option for Harder Brexit listed, so a bit assymetrical.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/979405847297253376

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/979405847297253376

There's me thinking that they might close thevone in Mar Lago...

rottenborough said:

JosiasJessop said:

rottenborough said:

"In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda.

The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

Or something like that.

Look, please keep up. Last night it was the 'shadowy Jewish world leaders', this morning it was 'they're worse than us!', and now it's 'all media propaganda'.

rottenborough said:

JosiasJessop said:

rottenborough said:

"In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda.

The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

Or something like that.

Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.

Sean_F said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

JosiasJessop said:

rottenborough said:

"In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda.

The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

Or something like that.

Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.

Stormfront can be blackly funny at times (eg the reaction among Nazis upon discovering that a BNP candidate was Armenian).

I defer to your greater knowledge and interest!

Sean_F said:

Foxy said:

rottenborough said:

JosiasJessop said:

rottenborough said:

"In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda.

The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

Or something like that.

Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.

Stormfront can be blackly funny at times (eg the reaction among Nazis upon discovering that a BNP candidate was Armenian).

I have an extremely fair liberal friend who likes to troll online racists by telling them their brown eyes or dark hair makes them untermenschen.

Had busy day. Tunes in. Brexit now down to whale blubber, apparently. Dear,dear Lord! Almost literally scraping the barrel.

Off for a Ruby. Seems a better option.

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.

So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.

I doubt if whale meat swung the result.

600,000 votes is all it took. Whale meat can be added to other under the radar ads they put out, such as:

"Stop bailing Greece out" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/598488443661417

"Save our maternity units" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/594067710770157

There were plenty of falsehoods on both sides of the referendum (3 million job losses, EU army a fantasy, immediate recession etc), which I believe you seem to have accepted. Is your argument now that Leave's lies were worse because Remain did a poor job of contesting them?

Elliot said:

williamglenn said:

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

CarlottaVance said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

But is it actually untrue?

the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0

Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.

So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.

I doubt if whale meat swung the result.

600,000 votes is all it took. Whale meat can be added to other under the radar ads they put out, such as:

"Stop bailing Greece out" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/598488443661417

"Save our maternity units" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/594067710770157

There were plenty of falsehoods on both sides of the referendum (3 million job losses, EU army a fantasy, immediate recession etc), which I believe you seem to have accepted. Is your argument now that Leave's lies were worse because Remain did a poor job of contesting them?

No, I don't accept there is any equivalence, and anyway, how could Remain contest them when Vote Leave were not doing it publicly but instead targeting people directly?

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/979378333296287744

Choose between dumb and dumber

ITV reporting on labours anti semetic issues saying Corbyn has kept a very low profile today failing to meet builders at a social house building programme and commenting 'make what you will of that'

Who would have thought that Corbyn is now bunkering down and hiding from the inevitable uncomfortable questions the press will deliver.

Anti semetic questions are going to be put before any or all labour politicians appearing in the media ad infinitum.

Unless Corbyn does something directly to address these serious problems he has no hope of gaining power