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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    edited March 2018
    Carole does Human Interest stories - feelings, emotions, impressions not yer actual Investigative journalism
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41241353
    _________________________________________
    The study also revealed that anti-Semitic attitudes were higher than normal among people who classified their politics as "very right-wing".

    Among this group they were two to four times higher than among the general population.

    The researchers said the prevalence was considerably higher among right-wingers than on the left.
    ____________________________________________

    No real surprise there to anyone who pays attention. Now please tell me again how it is all the Labour party and any suggestion the media have made an effort to paint Labour that way is a conspiracy theory...

    Which also agrees with the other survey I've linked to a few times on here which showed more anti-semitic attitudes on the right than the left.

    One thing you will get more with the left though is criticism of Israel.

    I'll let you make your own conclusion there before I get accused of 'anti-semitic conspiracy theories'...

    Whataboutery in its purest form. Yes, racism and antisemitism exist on the political right and yes it is disgusting that they do. Google "Aidan Burley" to confirm this; in doing so, you will note that Mr Burley used to be a Tory MP. He is no longer a Tory MP. If he were Labour he'd be on the shadow front bench.
    The Tories don't kick their racists out, Anne Marie Morris is a Conservative MP, if she were Labour she'd be gone.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Sandpit.

    Sixteen million people voted Remain. I've no doubt that included paedophiles, murderers, and any number of racists of all descriptions. Even more voted Leave, much to some Remainers' displeasure.

    PS On reading the previous thread, I didn't understand the award to Ms Cyclefree but it's definitely bloody impressive. Very well done.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    felix said:

    Danny565 said:

    Yulia Skripal is “improving rapidly and is no longer in a critical condition.
    Her condition is now stable”, Salisbury NHS Trust has said.

    However, her father, the former double agent Sergei Skripal, remains in a critical but stable condition.

    Dr Christine Blanshard, medical director for Salisbury district hospital, said: “I’m pleased to be able to report an improvement in the condition of Yulia Skripal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Wonderful news.

    I wonder what that "expert" a few weeks ago, saying a recovery from Novichok poisoning was impossible, was all about?
    I heard him and he referred to long-term recovery being very unlikely.
    She may still be left permanently damaged by the poison, even if she survives.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    edited March 2018

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.

    In the first three respects, much like Momentum's 2017 campaign. One of the most interesting questions about this whole Facebook controversy is whether political parties and campaigning organisations are going to be able to repeat the trick in the future.
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    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    It looks like Alan Beith's success was very much a personal vote since the moment he left it reverted back to a relatively safe Conservative seat.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    There is a story that Berwick on Tweed is still at war with Russia because it was in Scotland when England signed the peace treaty and in England when Scotland signed the peace treaty.

    Possible angle to leverage Berwick with a surprise attack on Russia without having to re-declare war.
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    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    It looks like Alan Beith's success was very much a personal vote since the moment he left it reverted back to a relatively safe Conservative seat.
    He was a very good MP and was well liked
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image
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    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    There is a story that Berwick on Tweed is still at war with Russia because it was in Scotland when England signed the peace treaty and in England when Scotland signed the peace treaty.

    Possible angle to leverage Berwick with a surprise attack on Russia without having to re-declare war.
    Surprisingly true and it also changed hands berween England and Scotland 13 times
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    IIRC the previous MP resigned under ‘somewhat’ of a cloud.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    CD13 said:

    Mr Sandpit,

    "we don’t wish to be associated with such comments."

    I wouldn't worry about that. Mr Meeks won't believe you anyway, so why not take the chance to stir him up a bit more?

    I’m trying my best to be nicer than that. Certain posters are clearly afflicted by particular subjects, which causes their usual intelligence to desert them. Political debate is better when people engage with each other rather than hurling insults across the room.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited March 2018

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    edited March 2018
    Sean_F said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.
    The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

    The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    CD13 said:

    Mr Sandpit.

    Sixteen million people voted Remain. I've no doubt that included paedophiles, murderers, and any number of racists of all descriptions. Even more voted Leave, much to some Remainers' displeasure.

    PS On reading the previous thread, I didn't understand the award to Ms Cyclefree but it's definitely bloody impressive. Very well done.

    Is that like FHM's 100 'hottest totties' but with brains?

    Many congrats cyclefree! Don't forget to link to the article when it comes out
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    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    Sean_F said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    Since Leave voters enjoy.....eating whales
    Only when they've run out of babies....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited March 2018

    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image

    *looks at stamps in passport*

    Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.

    Visa-free travel to a country is also determined by that country, so it’s up to Ukraine who they wish to let in with whatever paperwork.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Sandpit said:

    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image

    *looks at stamps in passport*

    Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.
    I think you might want to read it again :wink:
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Sean_F said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.
    The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

    The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.
    'Under the radar' electioneering sounds a bit dodgy but as long as any ads state who paid for them, then if people are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet without checking then that's their issue.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
    Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    There is a story that Berwick on Tweed is still at war with Russia because it was in Scotland when England signed the peace treaty and in England when Scotland signed the peace treaty.

    Possible angle to leverage Berwick with a surprise attack on Russia without having to re-declare war.
    Surprisingly true and it also changed hands berween England and Scotland 13 times
    You would have thought one of them would have wanted it! ;)
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    IIRC the previous MP resigned under ‘somewhat’ of a cloud.
    Antony Lambton MP resigned under "somewhat" of several prostitutes !!
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    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
    Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.
    Never played Seahouses but had a family trip to Berwick last year and taught my grandchildren about Grace Darling visiting her museum in Bamborough and taking them on a boat trip from Seahouses to the Farne Islands
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    JonathanD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    Since Leave voters enjoy wearing fur, hunting foxes, and eating whales, I doubt if it would have hit the intended target.
    The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

    The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.
    'Under the radar' electioneering sounds a bit dodgy but as long as any ads state who paid for them, then if people are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet without checking then that's their issue.
    Arguably having something appear in the name of the official campaign that the other side are not able to rebut gives it additional credibility. It's no longer just some random nonsense on the internet.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. W, well, if you're going to resign over one prostitute you might as well enjoy several.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    JonathanD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    The Vote Leave claim is specifically that the EU prevents us from banning such shipments through our ports. It is wrong, as Rotterdam has just such a ban. Whale meat imports to the EU are illegal in any case.

    http://www.greenport.com/news101/europe/rotterdam-bans-shipping-of-whale-meat
    Your own link actually says the opposite, rather supporting Vote Leave's claim!

    Legally speaking, there is no way of prohibiting the transit of whale meat.
    I don't think those laws are European though, but just the way international shipping works.
    Maybe, but in the compendium of dodgy electoral claims, that's hardly one of the most blatant.
    It's emotive and under the radar which makes it impossible to counter, and highly likely to influence voting behaviour. The fact that it was facilitated by campaign spending abuses makes it worse.
    .
    The intended target was Remain voters and people in the middle. According to Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave specifically didn't target UKIP supporters and people with associated characteristics. (Incidentally, how did they know who the UKIP supporters are? There's a story there about collaboration between Vote Leave and Leave.EU.)

    The strategy document shared by Cummings talks about certain Lib Dems being susceptible to Leave messages. That's what they were doing while flying under the radar with these targeted ads.
    'Under the radar' electioneering sounds a bit dodgy but as long as any ads state who paid for them, then if people are stupid enough to believe everything they see on the internet without checking then that's their issue.
    Arguably having something appear in the name of the official campaign that the other side are not able to rebut gives it additional credibility. It's no longer just some random nonsense on the internet.
    I think it would be better though, if, rather than relying on the credibility of who makes a statement to determine truth , people actually evaluated and researched the claim.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,722
    edited March 2018
    Remember the days when we MUST have a trade deal with the EU? The EU was bonkers to expect a withdrawal agreement without first agreeing the end state? Now it's the EU that's trying to get something organised but the UK government refuses to cooperate.

    The real reason is that the UK government knows the trade deal - the end state - will be a downgrade on the status quo. It is trying to delay the evil hour.

    https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/979297262017769472
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Mr. W, well, if you're going to resign over one prostitute you might as well enjoy several.

    I bow to your greater and far more personal knowledge on such matters.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. W, how very dare you besmirch my impeccable character and renowned virtue with such calumny?

    I may have had to conduct a modest amount of research into sado-masochism to ensure that Sir Edric's paramour (herself a bit of a sadist) was portrayed accurately, but on a personal level I am unimpeachable.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Arguably having something appear in the name of the official campaign that the other side are not able to rebut gives it additional credibility. It's no longer just some random nonsense on the internet.

    In principle, targetted on-line ads are not very different to targetted leaflets. However, voters tend to stick the leaflets straight in the bin without reading them. Perhaps they'll learn to ignore on-line ads in the same way.
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    FF43 said:

    Remember the days when we MUST have a trade deal with the EU? The EU was bonkers to expect a withdrawal agreement without first agreeing the end state? Now it's the EU that's trying to get something organised but the UK government refuses to cooperate.

    The real reason is that the UK government knows the trade deal - the end state - will be a downgrade on the status quo. It is trying to delay the evil hour.

    https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/979297262017769472

    I think TM is slowly moving towards some form of customs union but will let it evolve over the next few months
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    twitter.com/britainelects/status/979378333296287744

    27% of the population need sectioning....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited March 2018
    RoyalBlue said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image

    *looks at stamps in passport*

    Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.
    I think you might want to read it again :wink:
    If they’re saying that Ukrainians can now visit the UK without a visa then the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit will be over the moon!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339
    It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2018
    Good to see labour taking this problem seriously....

    Disgraced Labour disciplinary chief will STAY on panel judging anti-Semitism cases despite being ‘sacked’ for sending an email defending a Holocaust denier

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5557609/Corbyn-faces-questions-took-FOUR-DAYS-sack-Christine-Shawcroft.html
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,813
    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
    Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.
    I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

    So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2018

    Mr. W, how very dare you besmirch my impeccable character and renowned virtue with such calumny?

    I may have had to conduct a modest amount of research into sado-masochism to ensure that Sir Edric's paramour (herself a bit of a sadist) was portrayed accurately, but on a personal level I am unimpeachable.

    You are Max Mosley and I claim a most severe whiplash injury .... :smile:
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    Pro_Rata said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
    Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.
    I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

    So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.
    Think the GUR signs may have expanded somewhat on your departure !!!!
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.
    Wanting a softer Brexit and wanting to cancel it are not the same, at all.

    Good try though.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Excellent website on the death of Dr David Kelly:

    http://www.ukfamilylawreform.co.uk/davidkelly.htm
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    George Galloway's take on Salisbury:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ptUTVvw5Y
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Bye bye GKN.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Sandpit said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image

    *looks at stamps in passport*

    Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.
    I think you might want to read it again :wink:
    If they’re saying that Ukrainians can now visit the UK without a visa then the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit will be over the moon!
    It's only for the Schengen zone. If the UK were part of the Schengen zone then Mrs Sandpit could rejoice.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    To give another example, a ship with a container carrying guns from Finland to the United States would be allowed under the convention to stop at a port in the UK under the same Convention.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,813

    Pro_Rata said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    JackW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Yorkcity said:

    https://evolvepolitics.com/ministerial-aide-gavin-williamson-russian-oligarch/ I guess there will be more light on Russian money and elections now.

    That URL is misleading.
    I like Berwick on Tweed.Was it a Lib dem seat a long time before 2015 ?
    Alan Beith won the seat at the 1973 by-election by 57 votes and held the seat until he retired in 2015.
    I moved to Berwick with my parents when I was 10 and went through the Grammar School before moving to Edinburgh when I was 18. Fabulous Town with the happiest of childhood and teenage memories. It was conservative throughout the time I lived there
    Thanks for all the replies . I have been to the area many times.The Northumbria coast is fantastic.Went on a golfing trip many years ago.Played at Berwick, Seahouses , Bamburgh.Castle ,whilst staying in Alnwick.
    Berwick was were I learnt to play golf, together with cricket, tennis, football and cross country running. The golf course was only 9 holes at the time and the cows ate your balls ( yes really)
    Lol Big g , I am not a good golfer .However do remember playing a par 3 at Seahouses.The tee is on a bit of land in the sea , you play across the sea to the green.Was glad to get the ball at the back of the green.Scary when you are a crap golfer.
    I have played the sum total of 5.5 holes of golf in my life on a full size course. We were wandering back from a driving range near dusk, obviously looking atypically upstanding, when the attendant on the course hailed us and invited us just to have a go.

    So we proceeded round, wondering about what GUR meant, whilst merrily hacking the life out of the Jubilee Course in St. Andrews. Needless to say, we were somewhat reluctant to return.
    Think the GUR signs may have expanded somewhat on your departure !!!!
    As we had an uncanny knack of finding the existing, admittedly extensive, GUR, it was more the case that it was going to stay GUR for rather longer than would have been expected.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    The latest YouGov poll doesn’t make it clear on the second referendum question that rejecting the terms would mean staying in the EU.

    I don’t think the answer is therefore very meaningful.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    RoyalBlue said:

    The latest YouGov poll doesn’t make it clear on the second referendum question that rejecting the terms would mean staying in the EU.

    I don’t think the answer is therefore very meaningful.

    Given that more people think Brexit is wrong, perhaps the support for a second referendum would go up if this were made clear.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    edited March 2018

    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

    An engineering/aerospace/defence group that was bid for by Melrose.

    Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

    Edit to add part two: also Melrose aren't long-term owners of GKN. They will likely refloat in three years at a price 50% higher.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898

    Sandpit said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pour Les Aigles.. Ukraine poster
    image

    *looks at stamps in passport*

    Err, British citizens can already travel to Ukraine without a visa.
    I think you might want to read it again :wink:
    If they’re saying that Ukrainians can now visit the UK without a visa then the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit will be over the moon!
    It's only for the Schengen zone. If the UK were part of the Schengen zone then Mrs Sandpit could rejoice.
    As I expected, so it’s another disengenuous Leave.EU poster about a decision that has no effect on the UK. The missus has already paid a pile of cash to get this year’s visit visa.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657

    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

    Britains oldest engineering conglomerate, gone to the asset strippers of Melrose.

    I sold my shares under the Melrose hostile takeover. I did well on them for the last five years.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

    Not any more - it was merged with Finmeccanica's Agusta helicopter division in 2000, and GKN later sold their share of the joint venture to Finmeccanica.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001

    rcs1000 said:

    Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

    Not any more - it was merged with Finmeccanica's Agusta helicopter division in 2000, and GLN later sold their share of the joint venture to Finmeccanica.
    Ah. I'm several years out of date :smile:
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Bye bye GKN.

    The vote was 52/48

    Get over it...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001
    Assuming everyone saw the rise in investment spending in the UK? 4% is not a bad number, however the concern is that it splits 3.8% of the rise was due to property investment, and just 0.2% everything else.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

    An engineering/aerospace/defence group that was bid for by Melrose.

    Edit to add: interestingly, Westland Helicopters is a part of GKN.

    Edit to add part two: also Melrose aren't long-term owners of GKN. They will likely refloat in three years at a price 50% higher.
    "Finmeccanica acquired GKN's stake in AgustaWestland in 2004."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Scott_P said:

    Bye bye GKN.

    The vote was 52/48

    Get over it...
    LOL! I'm more exercised by the fact that I was a shareholder in GKN but finally lost patience and sold last year after the price had drifted steadily downwards. I should have waited. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,169

    Brexit is going to happen on Sir John Major’s birthday.

    It's also going to be Lord Tebbit's birthday. Who will have the happier birthday?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Foxy said:

    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

    Britains oldest engineering conglomerate, gone to the asset strippers of Melrose.

    I sold my shares under the Melrose hostile takeover. I did well on them for the last five years.
    To be fair, I don't think Melrose are asset-strippers. And after all, GKN's hurried attempt to flog off a large chunk of their business to Dana makes it hard to argue that Melrose don't have a point.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,247
    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,625
    Tezzie on BBC wearing a sensible necklace. Something has changed! Something has changed!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657

    Foxy said:

    Mr. Nabavi, GKN?

    Welcome back, Mr. Hunchman.

    Britains oldest engineering conglomerate, gone to the asset strippers of Melrose.

    I sold my shares under the Melrose hostile takeover. I did well on them for the last five years.
    To be fair, I don't think Melrose are asset-strippers. And after all, GKN's hurried attempt to flog off a large chunk of their business to Dana makes it hard to argue that Melrose don't have a point.
    Sure, GKN overexpanded in some areas, so had to respond to the hostile bid.

    It is also rather exposed to the European car industry, but that must be priced in.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339
    RoyalBlue said:

    It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.
    Wanting a softer Brexit and wanting to cancel it are not the same, at all.

    Good try though.
    Ah, I was replying to a post suggesting it showed a comfortable lead in support of the current approach. I agree that not many people think that canceling it is a realistic policy.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. 1000/Dr. Foxy, cheers.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657

    It's pretty even, actually - they've split up everyone who wants a softer approach/second referendum/cancellation of Brexit (=42%). That said, it's always dodgy when you split up multiple answers and then try to group them - in this case, I think the overall measure of approval/disapproval of withdrawal is more useful.
    I was in this Yougov.

    There was not an option for Harder Brexit listed, so a bit assymetrical.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,786

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Corbyn urgently needs to distance himself from his own actions. (Admitting to deliberately trying to be annoying little tit, which is what his backbench career amounted to, and now needing to take a broader and more sober view.) Start wearing the suits mentally as well as physically.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657
    There's me thinking that they might close thevone in Mar Lago...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,247

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
    Look, please keep up. Last night it was the 'shadowy Jewish world leaders', this morning it was 'they're worse than us!', and now it's 'all media propaganda'. ;)
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
    Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Foxy said:

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
    Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.
    Stormfront can be blackly funny at times (eg the reaction among Nazis upon discovering that a BNP candidate was Armenian).
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,657
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
    Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.
    Stormfront can be blackly funny at times (eg the reaction among Nazis upon discovering that a BNP candidate was Armenian).
    I defer to your greater knowledge and interest!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.
    I doubt if whale meat swung the result.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    "In the space of a few years, Labour has been transformed from a hardcore anti-racist, Philo-Semitic entity to the only major, mainstream European party to harbour many anti-Semites in its midst, and grant them ever more influence and control in local party associations."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/28/expose-hard-left-anti-zionists-anti-semites-really/

    Didn't you get the memo? It's all media propaganda. :)
    The last memo I received said that the whole thing was invented by shadowy Jewish world leaders in order to discredit Jezza because he would shut down the banks.

    Or something like that.
    Perhaps its time to unsubscribe Stormfront, though it would be a shame to miss out on all the Islamophobia.
    Stormfront can be blackly funny at times (eg the reaction among Nazis upon discovering that a BNP candidate was Armenian).
    I have an extremely fair liberal friend who likes to troll online racists by telling them their brown eyes or dark hair makes them untermenschen.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.
    I doubt if whale meat swung the result.
    600,000 votes is all it took. Whale meat can be added to other under the radar ads they put out, such as:

    "Stop bailing Greece out" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/598488443661417

    "Save our maternity units" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/594067710770157
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Had busy day. Tunes in. Brexit now down to whale blubber, apparently. Dear,dear Lord! Almost literally scraping the barrel.

    Off for a Ruby. Seems a better option.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    JackW said:

    Mr. W, well, if you're going to resign over one prostitute you might as well enjoy several.

    I bow to your greater and far more personal knowledge on such matters.
    Call yourself a Lib Dem ;-)
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.
    I doubt if whale meat swung the result.
    600,000 votes is all it took. Whale meat can be added to other under the radar ads they put out, such as:

    "Stop bailing Greece out" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/598488443661417

    "Save our maternity units" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/594067710770157
    There were plenty of falsehoods on both sides of the referendum (3 million job losses, EU army a fantasy, immediate recession etc), which I believe you seem to have accepted. Is your argument now that Leave's lies were worse because Remain did a poor job of contesting them?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    classic http://www.ladbible.com/community/uk-politics-news-awesome-hilarious-scottish-man-interrupts-sky-news-reporter-on-live-tv-20180329

    I see theresa was taken in secret to a factory and then flown back out , usual Tory PM visit to Scotland, taken under a blanket to a secret location , shown with a couple of hand picked patsies , then back out under a blanket and flown home. Never to see a real person.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Elliot said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave.EU are an absolute embarrassment. That poster is disgusting.

    But is it actually untrue?

    the transit of whale meat through EU ports is perfectly legal as long as the relevant paperwork is in order and the meat at no point actually enters the EU.

    http://uk.whales.org/blog/2017/07/eu-must-shut-its-ports-to-whale-meat-0
    Surely this is true of basically all ports worldwide: i.e., so long as the goods are legal in their origin and destination, and do not enter the country in question while in port, then they are legal under the 1923 Convention on the International Regime of Marine Ports.
    So Vote Leave lied that this is down to "EU law", and they did it in the shadows, whispering in the ears of people they knew would be susceptible.
    I doubt if whale meat swung the result.
    600,000 votes is all it took. Whale meat can be added to other under the radar ads they put out, such as:

    "Stop bailing Greece out" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/598488443661417

    "Save our maternity units" - https://www.facebook.com/voteleave/posts/594067710770157
    There were plenty of falsehoods on both sides of the referendum (3 million job losses, EU army a fantasy, immediate recession etc), which I believe you seem to have accepted. Is your argument now that Leave's lies were worse because Remain did a poor job of contesting them?
    No, I don't accept there is any equivalence, and anyway, how could Remain contest them when Vote Leave were not doing it publicly but instead targeting people directly?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    CD13 said:

    Mr Evershed,

    "Proves it wasn't Novichok - and so not Russia."

    I know you're joking, but recovery is possible unless there's been associated lack of oxygen to vital organs. There are antidotes to the enzyme blockade if given quickly.

    Like a stroke, a full recovery is always possible, but sometimes it's only partial.

    we have had two weeks of bollox stating the opposite
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    From Tim Shipman's book, Cameron's speech, should Remain have won, would have said: "As far as Britain is concerned, the political project for further integration in Europe is over."

    Eurosceptics were on the wrong side.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,303
    edited March 2018
    ITV reporting on labours anti semetic issues saying Corbyn has kept a very low profile today failing to meet builders at a social house building programme and commenting 'make what you will of that'

    Who would have thought that Corbyn is now bunkering down and hiding from the inevitable uncomfortable questions the press will deliver.

    Anti semetic questions are going to be put before any or all labour politicians appearing in the media ad infinitum.

    Unless Corbyn does something directly to address these serious problems he has no hope of gaining power
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    "Russian spy: Yulia Skripal conscious and talking"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43588450

    Yippee, even if cretinous headline.
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