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It was the old 3 options , with Devo Plus. Absolutely useless given Westminster don't want Devo Max. Just propaganda as everDavidL said:
I really can't work out whether the questions asked in the poll were completely stupid or whether it is just the way that the Scotsman reported it that was idiotic. Probably both.malcolmg said:
You forgot to mention that Unionist support for the UK was at 36% with the rest wanting greater powers than they have now. Usual snivelling ltying Tory trick.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/9605187519501148160 -
Indeed. Why anyone would think they'd be processed in a single-file queue is utterly bizarre. When have you ever gone to a single-file queue?philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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That's 47%/53% (rounded) in a binary poll excluding 'Devo-max' assuming it split 50/50. With 15% don't knows to play for.williamglenn said:
That’s a three way poll including a devo-max option.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/9605187519501148160 -
philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
Answer: 6 letters, C _ _ B _ N
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I've finally got round to reading All Out War. One comment that stood out from the pre-referendum manoeuvring was that Theresa May was judged to be more pro-European than Cameron.0
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That poll has (sub sample alert) the SNP on 26.5% and Labour in Scotland on 38.8%. That's....unlikely.GIN1138 said:
Have we passed Peak Corbyn?TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
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Different Germany Poll
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Forsa poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 33% (-1)
SPD-S&D: 18%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+1)
AfD-EFDD: 13% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
FDP-ALDE: 9%
Field work: 29/01/18–02/02/18
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Scottish sub-sample a bit bonkers, though.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
I don’t think sufficient information is provided to solve the maths problem.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Why anyone would think they'd be processed in a single-file queue is utterly bizarre. When have you ever gone to a single-file queue?philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
In any case - we have potentially 3 years to build more births/get new systems in place.
For a competent government this should be doable.0 -
Wouldn't surprise me...williamglenn said:I've finally got round to reading All Out War. One comment that stood out from the pre-referendum manoeuvring was that Theresa May was judged to be more pro-European than Cameron.
But was she more pro-EU than Boy George?
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I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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Is that how they happen?rkrkrk said:
I don’t think sufficient information is provided to solve the maths problem.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Why anyone would think they'd be processed in a single-file queue is utterly bizarre. When have you ever gone to a single-file queue?philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
In any case - we have potentially 3 years to build more births/get new systems in place.
For a competent government this should be doable.0 -
If people disagree so profoundly on such a basic issue of parenting then a subsequent separation is no huge surprise and could well be best for the child concerned; the alternative being the parents at constant loggerheads and the child blaming him/herself. Thankfully, I have never been in such a situation.Richard_Tyndall said:
But the child ended up going where the mother wanted anyway. He just did it from a broken family. I genuinely fond the idea abhorrent.SouthamObserver said:
Maybe Corbyn felt it was best for his child not to go to a grammar school and that if he and his wife disagreed on something so fundamental it was best for the child concerned that they did not stay together. I am no fan, but there does not seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest he is anything other than a very good, loving father. I am sure exactly the same can be said for Jacob Rees Mogg.Richard_Tyndall said:
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.JosiasJessop said:
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.0 -
I am totally baffled by the popularity of a man who makes mr chumley Warner look like a leftie. It is 2018, not 1818.0
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The 'Youthquake' debate continues......
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/02/yes-there-was-youthquake-2017-snap-election-and-it-mattered0 -
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Cholmondeley Warner, I have always assumed.FrancisUrquhart said:I am totally baffled by the popularity of a man who makes mr chumley Warner look like a leftie. It is 2018, not 1818.
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Oops.IanB2 said:
Is that how they happen?rkrkrk said:
I don’t think sufficient information is provided to solve the maths problem.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Why anyone would think they'd be processed in a single-file queue is utterly bizarre. When have you ever gone to a single-file queue?philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
In any case - we have potentially 3 years to build more births/get new systems in place.
For a competent government this should be doable.0 -
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Especially given a real poll the other day showed SNP up and Labour flat.sarissa said:
Scottish sub-sample a bit bonkers, though.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
The Social Democrats could be in fourth place before long.logical_song said:Different Germany Poll
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Forsa poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 33% (-1)
SPD-S&D: 18%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+1)
AfD-EFDD: 13% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
FDP-ALDE: 9%
Field work: 29/01/18–02/02/18
Sample size: 2,5070 -
Tony would be campaigning to stay in.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
I think it unlikely that would get to 65% in the polls.0 -
Doubt we would be leaving the EU if Blair in his prime lead remainAnorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
The world's moved on since all of this travel business was invented. We should use modern concepts now.rkrkrk said:
I don’t think sufficient information is provided to solve the maths problem.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Why anyone would think they'd be processed in a single-file queue is utterly bizarre. When have you ever gone to a single-file queue?philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
In any case - we have potentially 3 years to build more births/get new systems in place.
For a competent government this should be doable.
Instead of a FIFO queue at our ports, we should make it a LIFO queue.
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Corbyn was just SO 2017......GIN1138 said:
Have we passed Peak Corbyn?TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
If you want to be a contrarian kid that riles his parents, this year they will have a poster on their walls of the Moggster.0 -
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
+1Pong said:This is excellent news;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-429506080 -
Totally OT....the Westworld season 2 trailer screened during the ads of the hand egg final was fantastic.0
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Two words for you. Jeremy Corbyn.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
True in his pomp 1997 to 2001 he would have won any referendum regarding Europe.However he had a greater challenge to stop him, Brown and Balls.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Doubt we would be leaving the EU if Blair in his prime lead remainAnorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
No he wouldn't be so stupid as to commit to that when his enemy is making so many mistakes.rkrkrk said:
Tony would be campaigning to stay in.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
I think it unlikely that would get to 65% in the polls.0 -
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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The party of Brandt and Schroder reduced to this. And yet they seem to be tiptoeing into the parlour.AndyJS said:
The Social Democrats could be in fourth place before long.logical_song said:Different Germany Poll
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Forsa poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 33% (-1)
SPD-S&D: 18%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+1)
AfD-EFDD: 13% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 9% (-1)
FDP-ALDE: 9%
Field work: 29/01/18–02/02/18
Sample size: 2,5070 -
Last I heard Season 2 was airing late April?FrancisUrquhart said:Totally OT....the Westworld season 2 trailer screened during the ads of the hand egg final was fantastic.
Season 1 was truly excellent.
(As, to be fair, was the hand egg final!)0 -
Confirmed April on the trailer.MarqueeMark said:
Last I heard Season 2 was airing late April?FrancisUrquhart said:Totally OT....the Westworld season 2 trailer screened during the ads of the hand egg final was fantastic.
Season 1 was truly excellent.
(As, to be fair, was the hand egg final!)
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And adds yet another cost to the bill for BrexitJosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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I think it's mostly the novelty, like, some museum exhibit. And for the Tories someone who appears to guard the true flame (the one they had before Cameron replaced it with that blue-green one-legged elephant thingy).FrancisUrquhart said:I am totally baffled by the popularity of a man who makes mr chumley Warner look like a leftie. It is 2018, not 1818.
If by some mishap he became PM his honeymoon wouldn't last more than five minutes.0 -
To quote some vapid bilge a great philosopher, that is pure handwaving, and epitomises the JRMs and BoJos of this world.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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If the Moggster does become PM, then at least those of us on the left will have the opportunity to chant:
"Moggy Moggy Moggy. Out Out Out!"0 -
Best argument for him so far.SandyRentool said:If the Moggster does become PM, then at least those of us on the left will have the opportunity to chant:
"Moggy Moggy Moggy. Out Out Out!"0 -
Just a shame it was all smoke and mirrors and he turned out to.be such an atrocious PM.DavidL said:
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Well you can't have everything.Richard_Tyndall said:
Just a shame it was all smoke and mirrors and he turned out to.be such an atrocious PM.DavidL said:
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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JRM. An attempt to outbid Labour.0
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It's interesting to consider how different Blair's government would have been if he had removed Brown from being Chancellor in 2001, as apparently he considered. Since much of Labour's toxicity came from Brown's camp, would the following nine years have provided better government, without a chancellor quite so openly coveting his boss' job?Richard_Tyndall said:
Just a shame it was all smoke and mirrors and he turned out to.be such an atrocious PM.DavidL said:
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Letting frank field do the “unthinkable” would have solved a huge number of issues too.JosiasJessop said:
It's interesting to consider how different Blair's government would have been if he had removed Brown from being Chancellor in 2001, as apparently he considered. Since much of Labour's toxicity came from Brown's camp, would the following nine years have provided better government, without a chancellor quite so openly coveting his boss' job?Richard_Tyndall said:
Just a shame it was all smoke and mirrors and he turned out to.be such an atrocious PM.DavidL said:
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Possibly. I was just reacting to the 'build a few booths' comment, which as an engineer I found funny.Philip_Thompson said:
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Management: just do this.
Engineering: (stares at the task and laughs): right, I'm off.0 -
Mr. Jonathan, that said, back in 2010 some said all politicians were the same, coalesced and arguing over a tiny patch of the centre ground.
A Mogg-Corbyn contest would be stark, if nothing else.0 -
The polls are clearly being distorted by the number of people working away from home in Kent building the world's largest lorry park. Or something.dyingswan said:
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
Which would you vote for, and why?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jonathan, that said, back in 2010 some said all politicians were the same, coalesced and arguing over a tiny patch of the centre ground.
A Mogg-Corbyn contest would be stark, if nothing else.0 -
It is a bit like when we got the barrage of cuts, cuts, cuts, back to Wigan pier stuff. Watching CNN I think is maybe why trump has seen an uplift, the 24/7 trump is a total utter disaster over every single decision.dyingswan said:
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
It's almost as if May and Davis have given them a nod and a wink that they are just posturing for domestic consumption.Philip_Thompson said:
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.0
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Mr. Jessop, Mogg.
The Conservatives would have to work very hard to find someone I wouldn't back against the likes of Corbyn.
If he were replaced by someone even like Ed Miliband or Yvette Cooper, *and* the Conservatives continued being lacklustre (to be polite) then I'd have to consider my vote. But with Corbyn as Labour leader there's no need. I can't back a terrorist-sympathising, economically innumerate, historically illiterate creature to be PM, nor John McDonnell, who wants no Tory MP to be able to go out in public without being hounded, to be Chancellor.
Anyway, I must be off.0 -
People do not readily switch parties in the year following an election.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is a bit like when we got the barrage of cuts, cuts, cuts, back to Wigan pier stuff. Watching CNN I think is maybe why trump has seen an uplift, the 24/7 trump is a total utter disaster over every single decision.dyingswan said:
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
I think the media have attempted to take out TM and the public are ignoring them judging that she is a serious politician doing her best.dyingswan said:
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
The NHS crisis with its daily travails week on week, month on month, are cutting through but the debate seems to maturing into it is not just money but a complete rethink is needed to make it fit for the next 50 years.
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It's not a two-party system. You could look at the Lib Dems or, God forbid, the Greens, and decide that they present a better vision for the country and an ability to deliver.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, Mogg.
The Conservatives would have to work very hard to find someone I wouldn't back against the likes of Corbyn.
If he were replaced by someone even like Ed Miliband or Yvette Cooper, *and* the Conservatives continued being lacklustre (to be polite) then I'd have to consider my vote. But with Corbyn as Labour leader there's no need. I can't back a terrorist-sympathising, economically innumerate, historically illiterate creature to be PM, nor John McDonnell, who wants no Tory MP to be able to go out in public without being hounded, to be Chancellor.
Anyway, I must be off.
It feel strange to try to self-evaluate my view on Boris and Mogg. Both are electorally repellent to me in various ways: but I could see myself voting for Boris, but not for Mogg. I'm unsure that reflects well on me.0 -
Not sure about that. I think that after black Wednesday the Tories were increasingly hostile to the EU. Cameron and Osborne held back the tide for a while forcing the party to think about other things, like winning elections, but the trend was remorseless and continues to this day.GIN1138 said:If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.
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Who are these Lib Dem’s which you speak of? AND aren’t the greens just maomentum light.JosiasJessop said:
It's not a two-party system. You could look at the Lib Dems or, God forbid, the Greens, and decide that they present a better vision for the country and an ability to deliver.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, Mogg.
The Conservatives would have to work very hard to find someone I wouldn't back against the likes of Corbyn.
If he were replaced by someone even like Ed Miliband or Yvette Cooper, *and* the Conservatives continued being lacklustre (to be polite) then I'd have to consider my vote. But with Corbyn as Labour leader there's no need. I can't back a terrorist-sympathising, economically innumerate, historically illiterate creature to be PM, nor John McDonnell, who wants no Tory MP to be able to go out in public without being hounded, to be Chancellor.
Anyway, I must be off.
It feel strange to try to self-evaluate my view on Boris and Mogg. Both are electorally repellent to me in various ways: but I could see myself voting for Boris, but not for Mogg. I'm unsure that reflects well on me.0 -
To think people on the right used to mock those who blamed everything on Fatcha decades after she left office...GIN1138 said:If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.
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Last time round I spoiled my ballot paper. If the next election had Jeremy Corbyn facing Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'd set fire to my ballot paper.0
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Or that the government knows how the story will have to end, at least for a lengthy transition period.Philip_Thompson said:
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
Oh I disagree with him on most things, but it’s good that we have leaders with principles... providing they are flexible and pragmatic...Anorak said:
I'm not sure his antediluvian principles are universally agreed to be a positive.Charles said:
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the jobJosiasJessop said:JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?0 -
What’s wrong with anti-brexit pro-business vince cable led Lib Dem’s? I would have thought they were right up your alley.AlastairMeeks said:Last time round I spoiled my ballot paper. If the next election had Jeremy Corbyn facing Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'd set fire to my ballot paper.
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Sadly, that's exactly what the Invisible Man has turned the Lib Dems into: an invisible entity.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who are these Lib Dem’s which you speak of? AND aren’t the greens just maomentum light.JosiasJessop said:
It's not a two-party system. You could look at the Lib Dems or, God forbid, the Greens, and decide that they present a better vision for the country and an ability to deliver.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, Mogg.
The Conservatives would have to work very hard to find someone I wouldn't back against the likes of Corbyn.
If he were replaced by someone even like Ed Miliband or Yvette Cooper, *and* the Conservatives continued being lacklustre (to be polite) then I'd have to consider my vote. But with Corbyn as Labour leader there's no need. I can't back a terrorist-sympathising, economically innumerate, historically illiterate creature to be PM, nor John McDonnell, who wants no Tory MP to be able to go out in public without being hounded, to be Chancellor.
Anyway, I must be off.
It feel strange to try to self-evaluate my view on Boris and Mogg. Both are electorally repellent to me in various ways: but I could see myself voting for Boris, but not for Mogg. I'm unsure that reflects well on me.
Just when the country needs a Third Way.
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I think the trend has stopped. All the bright young things who care about their careers are quietly dropping the Brexit rhetoric from their repertoire because they can see which way the wind is blowing.DavidL said:
Not sure about that. I think that after black Wednesday the Tories were increasingly hostile to the EU. Cameron and Osborne held back the tide for a while forcing the party to think about other things, like winning elections, but the trend was remorseless and continues to this day.GIN1138 said:If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.
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Or that the decision has been made and it will not be an issue for the next election/leader.williamglenn said:
I think the trend has stopped. All the bright young things who care about their careers are quietly dropping the Brexit rhetoric from their repertoire because they can see which way the wind is blowing.DavidL said:
Not sure about that. I think that after black Wednesday the Tories were increasingly hostile to the EU. Cameron and Osborne held back the tide for a while forcing the party to think about other things, like winning elections, but the trend was remorseless and continues to this day.GIN1138 said:If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.
If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.0 -
A lot of virtue signalling by the Tory wets on here but suspect they would hold their noses and vote for JRM.Morris_Dancer said:
The Conservatives would have to work very hard to find someone I wouldn't back against the likes of Corbyn.
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To be fair - at times you can be very funnywilliamglenn said:Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.
If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.0 -
Sounds like Grayling is letting Stagecoach/Virgin walk away from the East Coast Franchise in the very near future. I don't think the franchise holder can argue that their problems now are the result of NR not delivering on enhancements (as they had argued for the years beyond 2020).
The argument for bringing the franchises back into public management just got a lot stronger.0 -
Before putting it in the ballot box ?AlastairMeeks said:Last time round I spoiled my ballot paper. If the next election had Jeremy Corbyn facing Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'd set fire to my ballot paper.
For those spoiling their ballots, just make sure to write/draw something rude against BOTH names...
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I think it started with Delors speech challenging Thatcher. The famous Sun headline "Up Yours Delors" was in November 1990 and that was when Thatcher went very cool on the EU. Black Wednesday, in September 1992, put the tin hat on mirroring the Euro and it's been downhill for The EU in the Tory Party since then.DavidL said:
Not sure about that. I think that after black Wednesday the Tories were increasingly hostile to the EU. Cameron and Osborne held back the tide for a while forcing the party to think about other things, like winning elections, but the trend was remorseless and continues to this day.GIN1138 said:If Tony Blair had never been PM the UK would never have voted to leave the EU.
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Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Jonathan, that said, back in 2010 some said all politicians were the same, coalesced and arguing over a tiny patch of the centre ground.
A Mogg-Corbyn contest would be stark, if nothing else.
Stark, staring bonkers.0 -
Nah the Brexit fairy will come down in the night and build a hard border at Dover and across Ireland manned by an unspecified neutral taskforce of border guards employed by neither side and who will carry out their checks only on goods leaving Britain - paid for of course by the Uk.Philip_Thompson said:
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Everyone will shrug and say hey such an asymmetric outcome is unavoidable lets suck it up.
Its totally believable.
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There's that damning full stop again, Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
Just a shame it was all smoke and mirrors and he turned out to.be such an atrocious PM.DavidL said:
Very possibly. He was brilliant at opposition politics.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
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I suspect the forecasts were made in good faith but the assumptions were carefully selected. As we know from Mcbride’s book it’s the Chancellor who makes the final decision on the forecasts.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Have you any evidence that they were not?tlg86 said:
Genuine question. Do you think the pre-referendum civil service forecasts were made in good faith?AlastairMeeks said:
Nice people do not make up evidence-free conspiracy theories about people who are unable to respond.Charles said:
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the jobJosiasJessop said:JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.
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I think that is Boris's trump card - after the members have elected him leader.williamglenn said:Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.
If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.0 -
Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?0
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I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staffAnorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
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Or all those Remainers seeing that Brexit will really happen - and heading off for pastures new in Tuscany or Provence.DavidL said:
The polls are clearly being distorted by the number of people working away from home in Kent building the world's largest lorry park. Or something.dyingswan said:
These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.Anorak said:
Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.DavidL said:
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
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You would never get queues in the wonderful open border EU.Charles said:
I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staffAnorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3264628/spain-resorts-to-bully-boy-tactics-on-gibraltar-border-delaying-brits-for-five-hours-by-increasing-security-checks-after-rock-row/
The property landlord said: "I have been here two hours already and the police are saying it will take another three hours easily.
""That’s five hours and all because Spain is being a bully and flexing her muscles. They are just trying to intimidate the British and cause problems"0 -
Stark versus Bolton, perhaps?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jonathan, that said, back in 2010 some said all politicians were the same, coalesced and arguing over a tiny patch of the centre ground.
A Mogg-Corbyn contest would be stark, if nothing else.0 -
Jeremy Hunt is right to tell Donald Trump where he can shove his remarks about the British NHS, but he is mistaken to think Britain was the first country to introduce universal healthcare. That wasn't Bismarck's Germany either. It was the USSR, under Nikolai Semashko.0
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Jeremy Hunt is right to tell Donald Trump where he can shove his remarks about the British NHS, but he is mistaken to think Britain was the first country to introduce universal healthcare. That wasn't Bismarck's Germany either. It was the USSR, under Nikolai Semashko.0
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Brexit is an extremist Papist view?TGOHF said:Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?
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Jeremy Hunt is right to tell Donald Trump where he can shove his remarks about the British NHS, but he is mistaken to think Britain was the first country to introduce universal healthcare. That wasn't Bismarck's Germany either. It was the USSR, under Nikolai Semashko.0
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Does that make Vince Cable Theon Greyjoy ?MarqueeMark said:
Stark versus Bolton, perhaps?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jonathan, that said, back in 2010 some said all politicians were the same, coalesced and arguing over a tiny patch of the centre ground.
A Mogg-Corbyn contest would be stark, if nothing else.
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Having just finished All Out War, it’s fascinating to observe the “journey” Brexiters have made in the past 18 months.Barnesian said:
I think that is Boris's trump card - after the members have elected him leader.williamglenn said:Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.
If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.
David Davis campaigned with Farage. He’s now thought to want a very soft Brexit and is making common cause with Hammond.
Boris, meanwhile, was on the fence and thought a first referendum might be a way of extracting concessions before a second vote. He’s now aligned himself with the hard-as-fuck Brexit group.
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I do like the fact that, among all “the Earl of” and “the Lord of” there is one bloke who is just “the Mr of Balmcrino”...williamglenn said:Rees-Mogg's latest historical allusion is... interesting.
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He's a catholic isn't he.. big problems with the issue of abortion. Cant see him as PM. He's too laid back IMHO0
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JosiasJessop said:
Possibly. I was just reacting to the 'build a few booths' comment, which as an engineer I found funny.Philip_Thompson said:
Yet funnily enough neither are government, nor the French, nor the Dutch or any other nation are exactly panicking into building this. It's almost as if its an imaginary problem imagined in the same fevered Remainiac brains that brought us claims like an immediate recession if we voted to leave.JosiasJessop said:
It's not just a 'few booths': it's the queues and the other infrastructure to do with it. And the problem with that might be a lack of space, which might be impossible to solve due to physical constraints.Philip_Thompson said:
There's no plan to build six or however many extra booths currently because there's negotiations still ongoing to determine our future relationship - the booths may be unnecessary. If booths become necessary then we have roughly 3 years to build a few booths - not the end of the world.Anorak said:
I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse, but the problem is a problem because there are not 6 queues, nor is there a plan to build or staff them (or there are 6 queues but they need 15, or 15 but they need 30 - you get the idea but you'll need to talk to HMRC for the exact numbers).philiph said:
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Management: just do this.
Engineering: (stares at the task and laughs): right, I'm off.
Instant recognition.
Good evening, everyone.0 -
Can we go back to talking about Grid Girls?0
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Grid Kids = Child Labour....Casino_Royale said:Can we go back to talking about Grid Girls?
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JRM policy on abortion is not "medieval Papist". While he personally supports the teaching of the Church, as do millions of others, he accepts that ending abortion rights will never command a consensus and he will not seek to impose it.TGOHF said:Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?
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Superb trolling.williamglenn said:Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.
If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.0
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