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Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/960518751950114816
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Until the UK starts making preparations they can assume we’re bluffing about leaving the customs union.TGOHF said:Scott_P said:
We didTGOHF said:Which EU turkey will vote for their goods to be held up entering the Uk
Which part of "control our borders" is confusing you?
Have the French started building more capacity to cope or are they planning to have huge tailbacks on their Motorways ?Scott_P said:
We didTGOHF said:Which EU turkey will vote for their goods to be held up entering the Uk
Which part of "control our borders" is confusing you?0 -
Yes. Have you any evidence that they were not?tlg86 said:
Genuine question. Do you think the pre-referendum civil service forecasts were made in good faith?AlastairMeeks said:
Nice people do not make up evidence-free conspiracy theories about people who are unable to respond.Charles said:
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the jobJosiasJessop said:JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.0 -
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
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That’s a three way poll including a devo-max option.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
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Or bluffing about bothering to check lorries from the EU for anything other than immigrants.williamglenn said:
Until the UK starts making preparations they can assume we’re bluffing about leaving the customs union.TGOHF said:Scott_P said:
We didTGOHF said:Which EU turkey will vote for their goods to be held up entering the Uk
Which part of "control our borders" is confusing you?
Have the French started building more capacity to cope or are they planning to have huge tailbacks on their Motorways ?Scott_P said:
We didTGOHF said:Which EU turkey will vote for their goods to be held up entering the Uk
Which part of "control our borders" is confusing you?
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So did coal miners. I note your support for their jobs to be kept even when the business and economic reasons for those jobs to exist have disappeared.Philip_Thompson said:
Because they've done their job perfectly well and professionally.JosiasJessop said:
It's a business decision. No-one has a right to a job (especially short-term contracts such as these), and they're not needed. So again I ask, why should they be kept?Philip_Thompson said:
The girls who do the jobs don't want to lose them. Why do you think they should?JosiasJessop said:
Again, you miss the point. There's no reason to have grid girls. They don't serve a purpose that can't reasonably be performed in other ways. It's not a tradition that's worth hanging on to.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you think the grid girls wore?
http s://twitter.com/rebeccageldard/status/958774286931693568
http s://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/959290656932823040
So a question: why do you think they should be kept?0 -
WRM's argument against socialism based on free will was for an Ayn Rand type of libertarianism which doesn't recognise cooperation and pooling of sovereignty for a common good.Philip_Thompson said:
Its a necessary quality yes. The Tories are facing an Opposition that is avowedly and openly Socialist. Taking that on is a necessity.TOPPING said:
you think that the ability to take down socialism qualifies someone as a potential Tory leader?Stocky said:As I say, I`m on Hunt for next Tory leader, but if you doubt the quality of Rees-Mogg you should see his take down of socialism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKe4X9czItI
It was beautifully enunciated but trite.0 -
That's got to be fake?!Scott_P said:0 -
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That's despicable.Scott_P said:0 -
Zinoviev lives.0
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Mr. Topping, given Labour's led by the far left and the last Conservative campaign failed utterly, it's rather an advantage.
Mr. Stocky, cheers for posting that.0 -
There are idiots (and worse) on all sides. The most unhelpful people are those which don't accept that and refuse to face it.AlastairMeeks said:
That's despicable.Scott_P said:0 -
I’ll send you a private message later.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes. Have you any evidence that they were not?tlg86 said:
Genuine question. Do you think the pre-referendum civil service forecasts were made in good faith?AlastairMeeks said:
Nice people do not make up evidence-free conspiracy theories about people who are unable to respond.Charles said:
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the jobJosiasJessop said:JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.0 -
Uh, most certainly not my sideSlackbladder said:
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7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
What is it they say about never believing anything until it is officially denied:
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/9605452399110184980 -
32% for full Indy, 19% for Devo Max, 36% for the (Unionist) status quo.williamglenn said:
That’s a three way poll including a devo-max option.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/960518751950114816
I'd love a Unionist to explain what the status quo (current, once and future) is.0 -
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.0 -
It was lost in translation. David Davis actually wants a Customs Unicorn.
https://twitter.com/SPD2212/status/9602899519497461810 -
If it's real, the sender needs to be put on trial. If someone's faked it, they should be called out, too.Fenster said:
That's got to be fake?!Scott_P said:
I'm sure the Brexit-supporting tabs will investigate anyway. The slightly odd bit is "we were born in Britain" ... it's not particularly coherent.0 -
Interesting question for the political anoraks. Who is the current Tory party's most right wing MP. Right wing in terms of social beliefs and neo-con level economic ones.AlastairMeeks said:What is it they say about never believing anything until it is officially denied:
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/960545239911018498
I suspect the current MPs are much less right wing than they were 30 years ago, certainly socially, and much much less right wing than their average American counterparts. That guy Moore in the US, for instance, who tried to get elected the other day. Do we have anybody at his level of rightwingery in the current parliament!?0 -
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.0 -
I was thinking it might be UKIP black ops, but it is properly punctuated.Slackbladder said:0 -
Both are duff bets IMO0
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It was badly phrased in the initial tweet. Obviously queueing for 7 minutes in total wouldn't be a problem for anyone at all, and would probably by a huge improvement on the current state of affairs!TheWhiteRabbit said:
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.0 -
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.JosiasJessop said:
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.Tykejohnno said:
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.Anorak said:I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!"
"Get Belgium to do it."
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.0 -
No, it isn't.Ishmael_Z said:
I was thinking it might be UKIP black ops, but it is properly punctuated.Slackbladder said:
"If you attempt to take away part of someone's identity." is not a complete sentence.
"We have watched have you stoked..." is simply illiterate.0 -
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.Nigelb said:
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
Anything.0 -
You would get a longer wait by funnelling what is currently all traffic through the current non-EU lines, but of course (assuming no deal to the contrary) that is a false assumption.Anorak said:
It was badly phrased in the initial tweet. Obviously queueing for 7 minutes in total wouldn't be a problem for anyone at all, and would probably by a huge improvement on the current state of affairs!TheWhiteRabbit said:
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.
You could seven minutes for each lorry to be dealt with and no queue, or fifty miles.0 -
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.Scott_P said:0 -
OK but a kipper would have written "There are consequence's".Nigelb said:
No, it isn't.Ishmael_Z said:
I was thinking it might be UKIP black ops, but it is properly punctuated.Slackbladder said:
"If you attempt to take away part of someone's identity." is not a complete sentence.
"We have watched have you stoked..." is simply illiterate.0 -
Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.0 -
Just how young is Morris Dancer? Time to see if he can still squeeze into that scout uniform.Ishmael_Z said:
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.Nigelb said:
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
Anything.0 -
Virgin on the ridiculous...Anorak said:It was lost in translation. David Davis actually wants a Customs Unicorn.
https://twitter.com/SPD2212/status/9602899519497461810 -
Possibly in our DUP.Fenster said:
Interesting question for the political anoraks. Who is the current Tory party's most right wing MP. Right wing in terms of social beliefs and neo-con level economic ones.AlastairMeeks said:What is it they say about never believing anything until it is officially denied:
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/960545239911018498
I suspect the current MPs are much less right wing than they were 30 years ago, certainly socially, and much much less right wing than their average American counterparts. That guy Moore in the US, for instance, who tried to get elected the other day. Do we have anybody at his level of rightwingery in the current parliament!?0 -
"There is...", surely ?Ishmael_Z said:
OK but a kipper would have written "There are consequence's".Nigelb said:
No, it isn't.Ishmael_Z said:
I was thinking it might be UKIP black ops, but it is properly punctuated.Slackbladder said:
"If you attempt to take away part of someone's identity." is not a complete sentence.
"We have watched have you stoked..." is simply illiterate.
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There is quite the gap between employing someone purely as a sexualised object, and letting a child be part of a fantastic sporting occassion.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.
To put it another way: You're trying to draw equivalence between a cheerleading squad and the kid coming out of the tunnel carrying the ball for his/her heroes.
Why not just visit xhamster for 10 minutes before the start of the race? Hey presto! Problem solved.0 -
YoungTheuniondivvie said:
Just how young is Morris Dancer?Ishmael_Z said:
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.Nigelb said:
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
Anything.
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Does that misplaced full stop make you a suspect, Richard ?Richard_Tyndall said:
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.Scott_P said: 0 -
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.JosiasJessop said:
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
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So we're all gridkids now ?bigjohnowls said:
YoungTheuniondivvie said:
Just how young is Morris Dancer?Ishmael_Z said:
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.Nigelb said:
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
Anything.
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The Grammys were really confusing. On the one hand, the vast majority of females wore white to bring awareness about sexual abuse and harassment and inequality to women in the industry. There were some emotional speeches and demonstrations of solidarity. On the other hand, the female artists didn't really win a sight. Lots of rappers won for songs talking about bitches and hos, and about how they like to treat their women. Truly surreal.TheScreamingEagles said:
At the most recents grands prix I attended it was something like thisMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you think the grid girls wore?
https://twitter.com/rebeccageldard/status/958774286931693568
https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/959290656932823040
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I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.HHemmelig said:
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.JosiasJessop said:
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.Tykejohnno said:
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.Anorak said:I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!"
"Get Belgium to do it."
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies0 -
"...but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did."Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.HHemmelig said:
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.JosiasJessop said:
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.Tykejohnno said:
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.Anorak said:I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!"
"Get Belgium to do it."
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
How would this happen?
Firstly, Corbyn had a very well organised campaign group behind him - Momentum. What campaign group is there to get behind JRM? The nearest thing the right had was Farage and UKIP, and that brings us onto my second point: it is dangerous to assume that a 'cult figure' is liked by people outside the cult.0 -
Is Rees Mogg really the front runner? We are truly in the end of times.0
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Smaller cult.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.HHemmelig said:
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.JosiasJessop said:
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.Tykejohnno said:
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.Anorak said:I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!"
"Get Belgium to do it."
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
Or as TSE might put it, the junior partner in an asymmetric arse.0 -
Mr. Owls, I've aged quite a lot (bald now). Unfortunately, with my shaved head I do have the exact appearance of a white supremacist. It's the old Ed Miliband problem, only instead of awkwardness I look like my first name should Reichsfuhrer.
Mr. Divvie, younger than my most recent blog (posted about an hour ago) makes me sound [in which I reveal that I have a sixpence jar].
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/a-denar-delivered.html0 -
I do when their behaviour is that extreme.El_Capitano said:
Personally I don't form my opinion of best Prime Minister based on people's personal lives, but YMMV.Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
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LOL. Missed that.Nigelb said:
Does that misplaced full stop make you a suspect, Richard ?Richard_Tyndall said:
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.Scott_P said:0 -
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.JosiasJessop said:
"...but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did."Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.HHemmelig said:
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.JosiasJessop said:
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.Tykejohnno said:
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.Anorak said:I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!"
"Get Belgium to do it."
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
How would this happen?
Firstly, Corbyn had a very well organised campaign group behind him - Momentum. What campaign group is there to get behind JRM? The nearest thing the right had was Farage and UKIP, and that brings us onto my second point: it is dangerous to assume that a 'cult figure' is liked by people outside the cult.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar0 -
Mr. Anorak, grid girls were dressing pretty conservatively recently. I doubt the kids will be any more or less covered up, unless they come out in burkhas.
I also never watch the pre-race nonsense (or the post-race stuff either). My opposition to the move is that empowering women by impoverishing them is irrational nonsense, and if a duty objectifies grown women who are paid professionals I fail to see how the identical duty performed by a child somehow becomes a wonderful thing.
Still, some women have lost some money because their chosen work doesn't meet with the approval of the puritans.0 -
Maybe Corbyn felt it was best for his child not to go to a grammar school and that if he and his wife disagreed on something so fundamental it was best for the child concerned that they did not stay together. I am no fan, but there does not seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest he is anything other than a very good, loving father. I am sure exactly the same can be said for Jacob Rees Mogg.Richard_Tyndall said:
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.JosiasJessop said:
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
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"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!0 -
Scott_P said:
So our 'temporary' UK-EU trade deal might last longer the EU?
Seems more than possible.
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"You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day."Richard_Tyndall said:
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.JosiasJessop said:
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
No, you really could not.0 -
Mr. Jessop, I saw a similar thingummyjig from Laura Kuennsberg[sp] over the fisticuffs.0
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The BBC news presenter really says it allJosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!0 -
More importantly, principles are of course highly desirable for a politician (standards and ethics more so), but for a senior job some ability to actually do politics - to take on other points of view, seek consensus, make compromises - is pretty essential. Corbyn lacks in this department but JRM has nothing to offer at all.El_Capitano said:
Personally I don't form my opinion of best Prime Minister based on people's personal lives, but YMMV.Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
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Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader.JosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run.
But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.0 -
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
Bad news from Germany, they appear to be spelling things the American way:
https://twitter.com/HandelsblattGE/status/960543562046885888
Further proof of Teutonic decadence.0 -
That would be the three option question then?TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
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Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.DavidL said:
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.Anorak said:
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.DavidL said:
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.Scott_P said:
See the problem?0 -
He is head of the EPG group of conservatives and is becoming the go to politician for Brexit.rkrkrk said:
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader.JosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run.
But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
It will be interesting to see how his influence impacts the polls over the coming months but he has a long way to go to become PM0 -
But the child ended up going where the mother wanted anyway. He just did it from a broken family. I genuinely fond the idea abhorrent.SouthamObserver said:
Maybe Corbyn felt it was best for his child not to go to a grammar school and that if he and his wife disagreed on something so fundamental it was best for the child concerned that they did not stay together. I am no fan, but there does not seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest he is anything other than a very good, loving father. I am sure exactly the same can be said for Jacob Rees Mogg.Richard_Tyndall said:
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.JosiasJessop said:
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?Richard_Tyndall said:Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.0 -
Greetings from a train just departing Frankfurt. I've come to try and find my European Identity. So far, no joy.0
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Yes, yes it is. With status quo being 36% and devo max 17%.Alistair said:
That would be the three option question then?TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/960518751950114816
Soooo, that's 49% in favour of radical constitutional change then compared to 36% against.0 -
Mundell is a useless half witted cretin, why would any sane person put that clown forward.Tissue_Price said:
Perhaps David Mundell would like to be the next Secretary General of NATO? There is a possible vacancy this autumn (failing that, 2019) and a British appointment would be a very useful counterweight to Brexit. Though the rumours are that we are considering putting a different David forward.Stocky said:Yes, Jeremy Hunt, I agree. Whichever Brexiteer stands, Moggster, Johnson or Gove, there will be a challenger from more moderate side.
Rudd, Davidson or Hunt. Rudd doesn`t have the majority in her constituency to be safe, Davidson is impossible for obvious reasons.
That leaves Hunt.0 -
Try looking in a beer, it may be masquerading as a German identity to blend into the environment. If it isn't in the first, it may be in the second. Keep trying and good luck.SandyRentool said:Greetings from a train just departing Frankfurt. I've come to try and find my European Identity. So far, no joy.
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Look at the first and second favourites.malcolmg said:
Mundell is a useless half witted cretin, why would any sane person put that clown forward.Tissue_Price said:
Perhaps David Mundell would like to be the next Secretary General of NATO? There is a possible vacancy this autumn (failing that, 2019) and a British appointment would be a very useful counterweight to Brexit. Though the rumours are that we are considering putting a different David forward.Stocky said:Yes, Jeremy Hunt, I agree. Whichever Brexiteer stands, Moggster, Johnson or Gove, there will be a challenger from more moderate side.
Rudd, Davidson or Hunt. Rudd doesn`t have the majority in her constituency to be safe, Davidson is impossible for obvious reasons.
That leaves Hunt.0 -
Things are getting nasty out there....Scott_P said:0 -
If you are a core SPDer, sould a declining share make you more or less likely to vote for GroKo?williamglenn said:
On the one hand the last thing you want is an election - but on the other you can already see that cosying up to Merkel is losing you votes.
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It's the sort of thing that rather wonderful TV program from my youth, Jim'll Fix It, used to arrange. I wonder what happened to that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.0 -
Rees-Mogg's latest historical allusion is... interesting.
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/9605522428551495700 -
A grand Coalition in Germany could help the SPD make the Lib Dems look good. It looks like a suicide note at the moment.williamglenn said:0 -
Why the fixation on Momentum? I don't hear or read about Progress or any of the centre rightist pressure groups, which in the minds of many Labour members have done more to damage the party. Momentum have something like 36 k members out of 600 k. But I can imagine many Tories with small electoral majorities beginning to fear a fully organised and financed LP campaign in their constituenciesJosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!0 -
You forgot to mention that Unionist support for the UK was at 36% with the rest wanting greater powers than they have now. Usual snivelling ltying Tory trick.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/9605187519501148160 -
It’s a tough job - but I’m glad someone is doing meaningful field researchphiliph said:
Try looking in a beer, it may be masquerading as a German identity to blend into the environment. If it isn't in the first, it may be in the second. Keep trying and good luck.SandyRentool said:Greetings from a train just departing Frankfurt. I've come to try and find my European Identity. So far, no joy.
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AfD closing in on the SPD:
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/9605574097302200320 -
Not so Grand when they've only got 48% of the voters backing them.DavidL said:
A grand Coalition in Germany could help the SPD make the Lib Dems look good. It looks like a suicide note at the moment.williamglenn said:0 -
I really can't work out whether the questions asked in the poll were completely stupid or whether it is just the way that the Scotsman reported it that was idiotic. Probably both.malcolmg said:
You forgot to mention that Unionist support for the UK was at 36% with the rest wanting greater powers than they have now. Usual snivelling ltying Tory trick.TGOHF said:Remember "Brexit means the breakup of the Uk"
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/9605187519501148160 -
You are right: I thought it slightly pre-dated his leadership campaign. Thanks.rkrkrk said:
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader.JosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run.
But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
Just see the beginning of this thread to see how he repels reasonable Conservative-leaning posters. Would he have enough supporters to overcome those losses?0 -
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As Dr Johnson famously remarked, there is little point in settling precedence between a louse and a flea.....IanB2 said:Both are duff bets IMO
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Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
You used to, when groups like Progress were in line (and perhaps had the ear of) the Labour leadership. Momentum have the ear of the Labour leadership, and are therefore very much of interest and importance.OchEye said:
Why the fixation on Momentum? I don't hear or read about Progress or any of the centre rightist pressure groups, which in the minds of many Labour members have done more to damage the party. Momentum have something like 36 k members out of 600 k. But I can imagine many Tories with small electoral majorities beginning to fear a fully organised and financed LP campaign in their constituenciesJosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
What was the membership of Progress like in (say) 1999 at the height of Blair's government, both in total and as a percentage of party membership? I have no idea if the Momentum phenomenon is typical or not, but I guess the latter...0 -
Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.philiph said:
Cons best score since July.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.0 -
The poll also looked at current EU referendum voting intention, with no significant difference to report in comparison to previous polling. When asked how they would vote if there was another EU referendum, 49% (+1) of those polled said they would vote ‘Leave’, while 51% (-1) would vote ‘Remain’.TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/9605599187922329600 -
CDU/CSU-EPP: 31% (-3)Morris_Dancer said:AfD closing in on the SPD:
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/960557409730220032
SPD-S&D: 17% (-1)
AfD-EFDD: 15% (+1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+2)
LINKE-LEFT: 11%
FDP-ALDE: 10% (+1)
Only 5 points separate the bottom 4 parties, you could say the Greens are closing faster.0 -
Have we passed Peak Corbyn?TheScreamingEagles said:Gold standard pollster speaks.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Gold standard pollster speaks.
twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
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Not sure - I certainly disagree with those on here who think he would walk a membership election.JosiasJessop said:
You are right: I thought it slightly pre-dated his leadership campaign. Thanks.rkrkrk said:
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader.JosiasJessop said:
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run.
But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
Just see the beginning of this thread to see how he repels reasonable Conservative-leaning posters. Would he have enough supporters to overcome those losses?
But my betting position against him is more based on:
1) don’t think he will run
2) don’t think he will make final 20
