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Yes, you just had to want to go, and have a rich daddy. The same is true more recently of public schools. Even some Etonians lament that the rich clots' places are now given to geeks and nerds.justin124 said:I am happy to be corrected on this, but I do get the impression that prior to World War 2 the obtaining of a 'place' at Oxbridge - as distinct from a Scholarship or Exhibition - did not require an applicant to excel academically to anything like the extent that has been required in recent decades.In that era Oxbridge appears to have been very largely a finishing school for public schoolboys - with the exception of the Scholars and Exhibitioners who often came from the grammar schools.
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People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
What a world we live in.
Trump is now odds AGAINST for a vote of impeachment to be passed in the House.
Certainly, that is not the same as actually impeaching the guy which is largely the responsibility of the Senate.
But still...0 -
Mr. D, no, mammalia is a class within the animal kingdom, not a species.
Mr. F, psychology itself varies from being biology to sociology, with a fair smattering of politics and bullshit in the centre and fringes respectively.0 -
Assuming my class? Much worse!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, no, mammalia is a class within the animal kingdom, not a species.
Mr. F, psychology itself varies from being biology to sociology, with a fair smattering of politics and bullshit in the centre and fringes respectively.
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Thanks for the responses! I’ve just now discovered that my phone is waterproof (I have an Iphone 7). Although I will say that not having a phone jack anymore is a pain in the neck. I’m hoping to get an adapter this Christmas so I can charge my phone while listening to music/podcasts on it.
One thing I’ve realised with my books - after four years or so they start to decay....0 -
Isn’t that the rationale behind the DUP’s position? It’s all a Romish plot to sell them out to the Catholics in the South!rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
Where are you storing your books?The_Apocalypse said:Thanks for the responses! I’ve just now discovered that my phone is waterproof (I have an Iphone 7). Although I will say that not having a phone jack anymore is a pain in the neck. I’m hoping to get an adapter this Christmas so I can charge my phone while listening to music/podcasts on it.
One thing I’ve realised with my books - after four years or so they start to decay....
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You mean you have been using as as a free resource for your experimentsBarnesian said:
I'm doing a free course on autism on FutureLearn at the moment. It is very revealing and gives advice on how to interact with people on the spectrum who lack self awareness and have narrow obsessions.IanB2 said:
The Open University is brilliant for learning; the quality of their materials is outstanding and compensates for the relative lack of face to face. Whether you work towards a qualification or just do the courses you fancy is up to you. As with any course there is of course written assignments, but how seriously you take them is up to you. And sadly of course tuition fees have pushed up the cost.Fysics_Teacher said:
Wasn't my experience of friends reading history tbh.SandyRentool said:
You should go to Oxford or Cambridge then. Apparently they only 'read' their subjects there, so I assume that no essay writing is involved.Fysics_Teacher said:
If I had the time and resources to go back and do another degree, I'd do History. Preferably somewhere that didn't require me to write essays.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was a degree I seriously considered reading, but declined.Fysics_Teacher said:
Fair enough.TheScreamingEagles said:
I consider Literae Humaniores a history degree.Fysics_Teacher said:
Not Greats?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not a real degree according to the Cameron haters.SandyRentool said:All this talk of who got what degree. Surely only those with a First in PPE should be allowed to post on PB?
Only legal, history, science, or engineering degrees count as proper degrees
And why should vocational courses like law be taught in proper universities?
Actually, what I want at this stage in my life is to learn about a subject, not to end up with a bit of paper saying I have.
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She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
The_Apocalypse said:
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One thing I’ve realised with my books - after four years or so they start to decay....
Stop reading them in the bath!
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The first generation of DUP leaders, like Ian Paisley Senior, Ivan Foster, and William Mcrea, saw the EU in those terms, as no doubt, do many DUP voters. The current generation of leaders are more aligned with Conservative eurosceptics.OldKingCole said:
Isn’t that the rationale behind the DUP’s position? It’s all a Romish plot to sell them out to the Catholics in the South!rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
Isn't that the orthodox Tory view of pre-Thatcher Britain?DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/0 -
Mr. D, silence, bourgeois capitalist pigdog!0
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In a cupboard in my room!RobD said:
Where are you storing your books?The_Apocalypse said:Thanks for the responses! I’ve just now discovered that my phone is waterproof (I have an Iphone 7). Although I will say that not having a phone jack anymore is a pain in the neck. I’m hoping to get an adapter this Christmas so I can charge my phone while listening to music/podcasts on it.
One thing I’ve realised with my books - after four years or so they start to decay....
@MarkHopkins
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There is a section of the pro-EU fanatics who have self-respect as Europeans and self-loathing as British.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
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Despite not being a PB Tory, I agree with that. The Museum of Curiosity on R4 names John Lloyd as Professor of Ignorance at Southampton Solent University. I initially took it to be a piss-take. Then I was told, oh no ... there is such a place and it used to be a College of Art.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.
What is the point in B'ham City Univ? The city already has Birmingham (a standard red brick univ) and Aston (a technological univ.) It seems it also began as a College of Art. I went to a conference there in 2016 on technology. Doesn't seem very arty, I later thought, when I found this out.0 -
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
Lithuania was part of Poland historically while Latvia and Estonia had varying degrees of control from the Teutonic Knights, Sweden and Russia.rcs1000 said:
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
Mr. Richard, on St. Andrew's Day, Richard Dawkins wrote some tosh about the English not being able to be proud of themselves (due to the EU vote).0
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I think you'll find that was done under John Major.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
I think its more that they thought Britain was fundamentally sound but had problems from following the wrong policies at that time.williamglenn said:
Isn't that the orthodox Tory view of pre-Thatcher Britain?DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/0 -
Sort-of on thread, I think Penny Mordaunt as next leader is a good bet. “Rising Star” - check, member of cabinet - check, relatively safe seat - check, Brexiteer- check, armed forces background - check.
I think her biggest problem is being in the rather un-newsworthy role at DFID, but it’s easy to see how a reshuffle or two in the next year could see her bumped into something more high-profile.0 -
Are there any other Catalan markets save PP/Betfair Sportsbook?0
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Be very careful about terminology: AIUI the iPhone 8 is sold as water-resistant not waterproof, and it'll be hard to get Apple to replace it if it does get damaged by water. A quick check shows they've gone to the IP67 standard, which means it is sealed from dust and can be in water to a depth of one metre for a certain period - but it'd be up to you to prove you didn't exceed that if it does get damaged.The_Apocalypse said:Thanks for the responses! I’ve just now discovered that my phone is waterproof (I have an Iphone 7).
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So basically, you can use it in the rain. But I wouldn't intentionally put it in the bath, or use it in one. And all bets are off with saltwater, so don't go swimming in the sea.0 -
Dominium maris baltici, innitrcs1000 said:
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
There is a BCU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_University) and a UCB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_Birmingham)rural_voter said:
Despite not being a PB Tory, I agree with that. The Museum of Curiosity on R4 names John Lloyd as Professor of Ignorance at Southampton Solent University. I initially took it to be a piss-take. Then I was told, oh no ... there is such a place and it used to be a College of Art.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.
What is the point in B'ham City Univ? The city already has Birmingham (a standard red brick univ) and Aston (a technological univ.) It seems it also began as a College of Art. I went to a conference there in 2016 on technology. Doesn't seem very arty, I later thought, when I found this out.
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Mr. Twelve, hope you're right, have a little on Mordaunt at about 81.0
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Not thatcher and there were quite specific conditions for being able to convert*.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.
* Some would argue they actually made some polys that were quite good at a particular specialism worse as they were forced to offer a much wider range of courses.0 -
Although the decision to merge UCCA and PCAS was made under Thatcher.Stark_Dawning said:
I think you'll find that was done under John Major.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
She seems well rated by those who've worked with her, which is a good start.numbertwelve said:Sort-of on thread, I think Penny Mordaunt as next leader is a good bet. “Rising Star” - check, member of cabinet - check, relatively safe seat - check, Brexiteer- check, armed forces background - check.
I think her biggest problem is being in the rather un-newsworthy role at DFID, but it’s easy to see how a reshuffle or two in the next year could see her bumped into something more high-profile.0 -
OK. The EU country with the lowest proportion of Catholics (0.1%!) in Finland.
The one with the smallest proportion of Protestants (0.0%) is Greek Cyprus.
And the lowest proportion non-believers/atheists/agnostics (0.3%) is Romania.
The lowest level of Christianity (31.5%) is in the Czech Republic.
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Thanks for that. Stuff I vaguely (rather than properly) knew.another_richard said:
Lithuania was part of Poland historically while Latvia and Estonia had varying degrees of control from the Teutonic Knights, Sweden and Russia.rcs1000 said:
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.0 -
Is there? Can't say as I have noticed.another_richard said:
There is a section of the pro-EU fanatics who have self-respect as Europeans and self-loathing as British.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/0 -
I didn't know that and I only live 50 miles away! Proves the point, I suppose.BannedInParis said:
There is a BCU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_University) and a UCB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_Birmingham)rural_voter said:
Despite not being a PB Tory, I agree with that. The Museum of Curiosity on R4 names John Lloyd as Professor of Ignorance at Southampton Solent University. I initially took it to be a piss-take. Then I was told, oh no ... there is such a place and it used to be a College of Art.PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.
What is the point in B'ham City Univ? The city already has Birmingham (a standard red brick univ) and Aston (a technological univ.) It seems it also began as a College of Art. I went to a conference there in 2016 on technology. Doesn't seem very arty, I later thought, when I found this out.0 -
Something for you to look out for then.Recidivist said:
Is there? Can't say as I have noticed.another_richard said:
There is a section of the pro-EU fanatics who have self-respect as Europeans and self-loathing as British.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
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Re Birmingham City University...It was part of university of central england, but that institution had a terrible reputation and this was a rebrand which was rather controversial as easy to confuse with the "proper" birmingham university.0
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My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Nook or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.0 -
Totally agree. I recently saw this which looks interesting,Alistair said:
My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Book or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/remarkable-paper-tablet0 -
Reviews are less than promising. Only a 2 day battery life is fairly unacceptable for an e-reader.FrancisUrquhart said:
Totally agree. I recently saw this which looks interesting,Alistair said:
My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Book or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/remarkable-paper-tablet
It's also bloody pricey compared to a 100 quid standard e-reader.0 -
Where are you getting 2 days from? It says one week.Alistair said:
Reviews are less than promising. Only a 2 day battery life is fairly unacceptable for an e-reader.FrancisUrquhart said:
Totally agree. I recently saw this which looks interesting,Alistair said:
My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Book or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/remarkable-paper-tablet
It's also bloody pricey compared to a 100 quid standard e-reader.
It is expensive, but it isn't as e-reader. The surface is like paper. The videos I have seen of it in action makes it appear much more akin to reading and writing on paper than anything else that is out there.0 -
Ebooks. I can read them on my Kindle or iPad. It's really handy to not have to carry a book around and be able to carry multiple books which is useful when I have to go away on business (usually 10-12 hour flights to Asia).The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
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How much is bitcoin a bubble?
https://twitter.com/ClarityToast/status/941691930047631360?s=17
The domain of the bitcoin 'company' that was acquired was registered by the Longfin CEO.
A cigar company said it was pivoting I to crypto and saw its shares increase 700%0 -
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
I said polys and new unis. Surrey and bath were polys and Exeter / warwick "new" unis.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
The review I read on Wired.FrancisUrquhart said:
Where are you getting 2 days from? It says one week.Alistair said:
Reviews are less than promising. Only a 2 day battery life is fairly unacceptable for an e-reader.FrancisUrquhart said:
Totally agree. I recently saw this which looks interesting,Alistair said:
My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Book or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/remarkable-paper-tablet
It's also bloody pricey compared to a 100 quid standard e-reader.
It is expensive, but it isn't as e-reader. The surface is like paper. The videos I have seen of it in action makes it appear much more akin to reading and writing on paper than anything else that is out there.
https://www.wired.com/2017/09/review-remarkable-paper-tablet/0 -
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
I think all 4 examples I gave are only ~50 years old.Fysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
Fair enough. Both reviews are pretty positive on the paper link experience, but it seems the negatives are on things like the ease of syncing, battery...Perhaps if they ever make a gen 2 they will have those fixed.Alistair said:
The review I read on Wired.FrancisUrquhart said:
Where are you getting 2 days from? It says one week.Alistair said:
Reviews are less than promising. Only a 2 day battery life is fairly unacceptable for an e-reader.FrancisUrquhart said:
Totally agree. I recently saw this which looks interesting,Alistair said:
My problem is I majorly buy technical books and the standard e reader, be it a Kindle or Book or whatever is pretty much garbage for technical books. Anything where layout is important.rcs1000 said:
True.Rebourne_Fluffy said:
Physical-books have a chance of survival if they fall in the bath: E-Books rely on being 'dry' and the MTBF life-expectancy.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
But so long as Amazon (the company) lives, then you just need to refresh your Kindle once every four or five years and you keep your entire library. Physical books decay over time. (Even if they're not dropped in the bath.)
For prose I'm prety much exclusively e-books these days but until an affordable large format e-reader comes out for technical books I'm a computer pdf or (much preferably) physical person.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/remarkable-paper-tablet
It's also bloody pricey compared to a 100 quid standard e-reader.
It is expensive, but it isn't as e-reader. The surface is like paper. The videos I have seen of it in action makes it appear much more akin to reading and writing on paper than anything else that is out there.
https://www.wired.com/2017/09/review-remarkable-paper-tablet/
The bigger issue for me with all these e-ink based devices...No colour. If I am reading an academic paper and there are a load of diagrams or charts, with no colour it is often impossible to work out what is being illustrated.0 -
In which case it would not be surprising that there are several new universities in the top ten: at least six would have to be.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
There are a lot that are in the 100-150 years old.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
We can solve that problem by having individual Oxbridge colleges.Fysics_Teacher said:
In which case it would not be surprising that there are several new universities in the top ten: at least six would have to be.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
Indecently recent.FrancisUrquhart said:
There are a lot that are in the 100-150 years old.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
62 for Exeter, which I wouldn’t quibble with being about 50.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think all 4 examples I gave are only ~50 years old.Fysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.
I picked up on Exeter because I was born there and remember the University as a fixture of the city as I was growing up and so never really thought of it as particularly new.
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Glasgow was founded before Aberdeen.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
The University Challenge approach. Or are we eliminating places like St Cats?rcs1000 said:
We can solve that problem by having individual Oxbridge colleges.Fysics_Teacher said:
In which case it would not be surprising that there are several new universities in the top ten: at least six would have to be.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
No idea.Stark_Dawning said:On PB.com, why does the quality of a poster's contributions always have an inverse relationship to the level of education the poster claims to have attained?
MA History. Leicester.0 -
It was at the time the second largest tory majority in the country. A boost was still expected I dare say, but was clearly near its ceiling already.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Medieval Lithuania was a huge State, covering Belarus and much of Ukraine, as well as modern Lithuania.rcs1000 said:
Thanks for that. Stuff I vaguely (rather than properly) knew.another_richard said:
Lithuania was part of Poland historically while Latvia and Estonia had varying degrees of control from the Teutonic Knights, Sweden and Russia.rcs1000 said:
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.
Unusually, it remained mostly Pagan, until 1386, when its king converted to Catholicism, in order to become king of Poland, uniting both crowns. But, paganism survived up till the counter-reformation.-1 -
How does that fit their own insistence on nothing agreed until everything is agreed . So are they a bunch of fibbers?Scott_P said:Slow hand clap...
@AlbertoNardelli: Main impact of Davis remarks is that EU27 want *everything* that is agreed at every stage of the talks translated into a legal text before there can be proper progress in any next stage.0 -
Fair enough. Add it to the list.Alistair said:
Glasgow was founded before Aberdeen.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
1473. Too new.Fysics_Teacher said:
The University Challenge approach. Or are we eliminating places like St Cats?rcs1000 said:
We can solve that problem by having individual Oxbridge colleges.Fysics_Teacher said:
In which case it would not be surprising that there are several new universities in the top ten: at least six would have to be.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
Being "translated into legal text" is meaningless junk. The withdrawal agreement will not be signed until the 11th hour.kle4 said:
How does that fit their own insistence on nothing agreed until everything is agreed . So are they a bunch of fibbers?Scott_P said:Slow hand clap...
@AlbertoNardelli: Main impact of Davis remarks is that EU27 want *everything* that is agreed at every stage of the talks translated into a legal text before there can be proper progress in any next stage.0 -
In the 1960s, the term 'new university' I think referred specificially to the new institutions established on a site where there wasn't a college beforehand. When I went to a redbrick in 1971, I think the new ones were Sussex, Keele, Essex, UEA and Warwick. They were all regarded as inferior to the redbricks which in turn ranked below Oxbridge, UCL, etc.Alistair said:
Glasgow was founded before Aberdeen.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
I've just gotten a kindle. It's fine, and essential for travel, but though I've needed to divest myself of old books to make space, I do like the look and feel of physical books . I like the display.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
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So the tweet is garbage as a negative point, and it's just about writing things up for when they are signed? Figures.rcs1000 said:
Being "translated into legal text" is meaningless junk. The withdrawal agreement will not be signed until the 11th hour.kle4 said:
How does that fit their own insistence on nothing agreed until everything is agreed . So are they a bunch of fibbers?Scott_P said:Slow hand clap...
@AlbertoNardelli: Main impact of Davis remarks is that EU27 want *everything* that is agreed at every stage of the talks translated into a legal text before there can be proper progress in any next stage.0 -
OT I see Guido reported on Corbyn's apparent stating he would be pm by Xmas. I've never really gotten why, if he said it, this is supposed to embarrass him. I assume it was a light hearted comment even if genuine, and correct or not hes still in a strong position.0
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The joy of books is that when you're done with them, you can pass them on to a friend who you know will appreciate them.kle4 said:
I've just gotten a kindle. It's fine, and essential for travel, but though I've needed to divest myself of old books to make space, I do like the look and feel of physical books . I like the display.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
Or, if you keep them, the ability to easily and quickly thumb your way to the page you'd like to re-read (this goes doubly so for nonfiction and technical books). Kindle's UI doesn't come close to replicating this - indeed I have bought books as a "one time" digitally only to re-buy them as real books when I found myself referring to them often.
Personally, I find it very hard to 'concentrate' on an ebook (even on e-ink as opposed to ipad) vs printed text. Although I admit this seems to be just me.
For me, the only area digital wins on is portability and overall space taken up. Given the choice, I would always prefer a physical copy.0 -
Guido's just a troll who occasionally gets a tipoff. As a source of scoops, he can be interesting; as a pundit, anyone here is better.kle4 said:OT I see Guido reported on Corbyn's apparent stating he would be pm by Xmas. I've never really gotten why, if he said it, this is supposed to embarrass him. I assume it was a light hearted comment even if genuine, and correct or not hes still in a strong position.
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"anyone"?NickPalmer said:
Guido's just a troll who occasionally gets a tipoff. As a source of scoops, he can be interesting; as a pundit, anyone here is better.kle4 said:OT I see Guido reported on Corbyn's apparent stating he would be pm by Xmas. I've never really gotten why, if he said it, this is supposed to embarrass him. I assume it was a light hearted comment even if genuine, and correct or not hes still in a strong position.
Can I suggest a few names who fail the pundit test?0 -
Eton isn't just about an academic education or league tables. It's an organic community, and continuity is part of thatDecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, you just had to want to go, and have a rich daddy. The same is true more recently of public schools. Even some Etonians lament that the rich clots' places are now given to geeks and nerds.justin124 said:I am happy to be corrected on this, but I do get the impression that prior to World War 2 the obtaining of a 'place' at Oxbridge - as distinct from a Scholarship or Exhibition - did not require an applicant to excel academically to anything like the extent that has been required in recent decades.In that era Oxbridge appears to have been very largely a finishing school for public schoolboys - with the exception of the Scholars and Exhibitioners who often came from the grammar schools.
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Just seen the sad news about Lyndsay Hoyle's daughter.
RIP0 -
Translation - he keeps pointing out some of the awful truths about the people who make up the Labour party today.NickPalmer said:
Guido's just a troll who occasionally gets a tipoff. As a source of scoops, he can be interesting; as a pundit, anyone here is better.kle4 said:OT I see Guido reported on Corbyn's apparent stating he would be pm by Xmas. I've never really gotten why, if he said it, this is supposed to embarrass him. I assume it was a light hearted comment even if genuine, and correct or not hes still in a strong position.
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With all this talk of books, after a year’s wait my copy of All Out War finally arrived yesterday. I think a week off PB Brexit talk to read the definitive account of the campaign might well be in order.
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I can only use physical books. Many of my books are full of underlining, highlighting, and margin notes that make the book uniquely mine. Basically, I devour them. Sometimes I then burn them. Difficult with a Kindle.kyf_100 said:
The joy of books is that when you're done with them, you can pass them on to a friend who you know will appreciate them.kle4 said:
I've just gotten a kindle. It's fine, and essential for travel, but though I've needed to divest myself of old books to make space, I do like the look and feel of physical books . I like the display.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
Or, if you keep them, the ability to easily and quickly thumb your way to the page you'd like to re-read (this goes doubly so for nonfiction and technical books). Kindle's UI doesn't come close to replicating this - indeed I have bought books as a "one time" digitally only to re-buy them as real books when I found myself referring to them often.
Personally, I find it very hard to 'concentrate' on an ebook (even on e-ink as opposed to ipad) vs printed text. Although I admit this seems to be just me.
For me, the only area digital wins on is portability and overall space taken up. Given the choice, I would always prefer a physical copy.
I remember in 1962, I left my copy of Brothers Karazomov at home with heavy underlying on the arguments between the brothers on the existence and benevolence of God. My mother, who was a fervent Catholic, found it and was rather disturbed at my margin notes.0 -
I thought it was Major who changed the polys?PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
The withdrawal agreement needs ratification, so the 11th hour is around 5 o'clock.rcs1000 said:
Being "translated into legal text" is meaningless junk. The withdrawal agreement will not be signed until the 11th hour.kle4 said:
How does that fit their own insistence on nothing agreed until everything is agreed . So are they a bunch of fibbers?Scott_P said:Slow hand clap...
@AlbertoNardelli: Main impact of Davis remarks is that EU27 want *everything* that is agreed at every stage of the talks translated into a legal text before there can be proper progress in any next stage.0 -
Technically Poland was part of Lithuaniaanother_richard said:
Lithuania was part of Poland historically while Latvia and Estonia had varying degrees of control from the Teutonic Knights, Sweden and Russia.rcs1000 said:
I've just done a search on religion in the EU, to check the balance, and I was very surprised to see how different the Baltic states are. I had assumed they would be fairly homogeneous from a religion perspective, but Estonia is primarily Orthodox, with Protestant second and Catholics almost unknown. Latvia, just one to the South, is pretty evenly split between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant, while Lithuania has virtually no protestants and is 88% Catholic.Sean_F said:
That view is fairly common among Evangelical and Charismatic Christians.rcs1000 said:
People vote for all kinds of reasons. I know of one who voted for Brexit as he regarded the EU as a Popish plot (it's no accident it's the Treaty of Rome, apparently). I know one who voted Remain because he wanted to be able to take his dog on European holidays with him.Sean_F said:
There was another bit of cod psychology which blamed Brexit on Enid Blyton.DavidL said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that it amusing that his own country is “ a bit shit” really has better things to do with their time than childish cod psychology of Mr Hannan.Sean_F said:
Self-respect is preferable to self-loathing.williamglenn said:An interesting theory:
Ladybird Libertarians: Dan Hannan, Paddington and the pernicious impact of 1970s children’s literature on Brexit thinking
https://thepinprick.com/2017/12/15/ladybird-libertarians-dan-hannan-paddington-and-the-pernicious-impact-of-1960s-british-propaganda-on-the-brexit-thinkers/
At each extreme, there will be people who voted for Brexit due to a highly romanticised view of their own country, and people who voted Remain because they see no good in their own country, but the former is still better than the latter.
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The test of being a pundit is bring wrong 90% of the time but not letting it slow down making new predictions. Most of us can manage that.rcs1000 said:
"anyone"?NickPalmer said:
Guido's just a troll who occasionally gets a tipoff. As a source of scoops, he can be interesting; as a pundit, anyone here is better.kle4 said:OT I see Guido reported on Corbyn's apparent stating he would be pm by Xmas. I've never really gotten why, if he said it, this is supposed to embarrass him. I assume it was a light hearted comment even if genuine, and correct or not hes still in a strong position.
Can I suggest a few names who fail the pundit test?0 -
Trouble could be brewing in China-US relations:
https://www.axios.com/the-next-battle-trump-to-take-on-china-2517931805.html?utm_source=sidebar0 -
All those fervent Oxford University Remainers seem to conveniently forget that their great institution only arose because Henry II banned English students from attending the University of Paris. Where would they be without their own academic Brexit?
And Cambridge University only came about because some big girls' blouses couldn't take a bit of Oxford "town v gown" rough and tumble.....0 -
(I'll preface that this is a joke, thus ruining it)Charles said:
Eton isn't just about an academic education or league tables. It's an organic community, and continuity is part of thatDecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, you just had to want to go, and have a rich daddy. The same is true more recently of public schools. Even some Etonians lament that the rich clots' places are now given to geeks and nerds.justin124 said:I am happy to be corrected on this, but I do get the impression that prior to World War 2 the obtaining of a 'place' at Oxbridge - as distinct from a Scholarship or Exhibition - did not require an applicant to excel academically to anything like the extent that has been required in recent decades.In that era Oxbridge appears to have been very largely a finishing school for public schoolboys - with the exception of the Scholars and Exhibitioners who often came from the grammar schools.
'Organic' community eh? Like most organic things that'll explain why it's overly expensive, its benefits overhyped, and mainly used by the rich and smug.0 -
Agreed, I completely second this. I will highlight and make notes on all my nonfiction, but often find myself highlighting and questioning parts of literary fiction I enjoy too - the 'highlight' feature on an ebook doesn't come close to replicating the experience.Barnesian said:
I can only use physical books. Many of my books are full of underlining, highlighting, and margin notes that make the book uniquely mine. Basically, I devour them. Sometimes I then burn them. Difficult with a Kindle.kyf_100 said:
The joy of books is that when you're done with them, you can pass them on to a friend who you know will appreciate them.kle4 said:
I've just gotten a kindle. It's fine, and essential for travel, but though I've needed to divest myself of old books to make space, I do like the look and feel of physical books . I like the display.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
Or, if you keep them, the ability to easily and quickly thumb your way to the page you'd like to re-read (this goes doubly so for nonfiction and technical books). Kindle's UI doesn't come close to replicating this - indeed I have bought books as a "one time" digitally only to re-buy them as real books when I found myself referring to them often.
Personally, I find it very hard to 'concentrate' on an ebook (even on e-ink as opposed to ipad) vs printed text. Although I admit this seems to be just me.
For me, the only area digital wins on is portability and overall space taken up. Given the choice, I would always prefer a physical copy.
I remember in 1962, I left my copy of Brothers Karazomov at home with heavy underlying on the arguments between the brothers on the existence and benevolence of God. My mother, who was a fervent Catholic, found it and was rather disturbed at my margin notes.
Ebooks are useful when travelling, otherwise give me the real thing every time.
One thing I really wish was possible is if I buy a physical copy, I would get a code so I have the digital copy too - thus being able to keep the real thing in my bookshelf but be able to refer to the book when travelling.0 -
Humour aside, should you be serious that's looking through wrong end of the telescope.MarqueeMark said:All those fervent Oxford University Remainers seem to conveniently forget that their great institution only arose because Henry II banned English students from attending the University of Paris. Where would they be without their own academic Brexit?
And Cambridge University only came about because some big girls' blouses couldn't take a bit of Oxford "town v gown" rough and tumble.....
Actually I can visualise cartoons built around that general idea.0 -
My old college came to pitch be to me the other dayrcs1000 said:
We can solve that problem by having individual Oxbridge colleges.Fysics_Teacher said:
In which case it would not be surprising that there are several new universities in the top ten: at least six would have to be.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.
They argued that because they were top of the Norrington Table and Oxford was top of the university league tables they were the best academic institution in the world...0 -
As an alumni of Warwick it is of course now ahead of almost every red brick university in the league tables with the possible exception of Bristol albeit still behind Oxbridge, UCL, LSE and Imperialrural_voter said:
In the 1960s, the term 'new university' I think referred specificially to the new institutions established on a site where there wasn't a college beforehand. When I went to a redbrick in 1971, I think the new ones were Sussex, Keele, Essex, UEA and Warwick. They were all regarded as inferior to the redbricks which in turn ranked below Oxbridge, UCL, etc.Alistair said:
Glasgow was founded before Aberdeen.rcs1000 said:
Anything that is not Aberdeen, St Andrews, Oxford or CambridgeFysics_Teacher said:
What qualifies as a new university? Does that mean anything 20C or later?FrancisUrquhart said:
I said polys and new unis...Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m fairly sure Exeter and Warwick were never polytechnics.FrancisUrquhart said:On poly to unis and new unis, yes most are very poorly ranked. However, there are a number which are now consistently ranked in the top 10-15 in the country eg bath, Exeter, Warwick, Surrey.
In my experience they also seem to be some of the most pro-business / pro entrepreneur friendly institutions ie more akin to good us institutions, compared to some of the traditional institutions.0 -
I'm sure most dvds offer something like this, should be doable for books.kyf_100 said:
Agreed, I completely second this. I will highlight and make notes on all my nonfiction, but often find myself highlighting and questioning parts of literary fiction I enjoy too - the 'highlight' feature on an ebook doesn't come close to replicating the experience.Barnesian said:
I can only use physical books. Many of my books are full of underlining, highlighting, and margin notes that make the book uniquely mine. Basically, I devour them. Sometimes I then burn them. Difficult with a Kindle.kyf_100 said:
The joy of books is that when you're done with them, you can pass them on to a friend who you know will appreciate them.kle4 said:
I've just gotten a kindle. It's fine, and essential for travel, but though I've needed to divest myself of old books to make space, I do like the look and feel of physical books . I like the display.The_Apocalypse said:PB readers: do you prefer physical copies of books or e-books? The latter solves the problem of shelf space.
Or, if you keep them, the ability to easily and quickly thumb your way to the page you'd like to re-read (this goes doubly so for nonfiction and technical books). Kindle's UI doesn't come close to replicating this - indeed I have bought books as a "one time" digitally only to re-buy them as real books when I found myself referring to them often.
Personally, I find it very hard to 'concentrate' on an ebook (even on e-ink as opposed to ipad) vs printed text. Although I admit this seems to be just me.
For me, the only area digital wins on is portability and overall space taken up. Given the choice, I would always prefer a physical copy.
I remember in 1962, I left my copy of Brothers Karazomov at home with heavy underlying on the arguments between the brothers on the existence and benevolence of God. My mother, who was a fervent Catholic, found it and was rather disturbed at my margin notes.
Ebooks are useful when travelling, otherwise give me the real thing every time.
One thing I really wish was possible is if I buy a physical copy, I would get a code so I have the digital copy too - thus being able to keep the real thing in my bookshelf but be able to refer to the book when travelling.0 -
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Yep. Another thing Major managed to screw up.Charles said:
I thought it was Major who changed the polys?PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
Though Major did leave a growing economy and won the highest number of Tory seats in 1992 than any Tory leader since ThatcherRichard_Tyndall said:
Yep. Another thing Major managed to screw up.Charles said:
I thought it was Major who changed the polys?PClipp said:
She realised - a bit late, but no matter - that the prospect of university education for their children was very popular with Conservative-voting parents. So she went into reverse on that one.... So much for "the lady`s not for turning".RobD said:
What was this disaster in 1981? Can't have been all that bad.rural_voter said:
I'm commenting on what her typical reaction would have been to the Robbins report, given her policies during her term of office 1979-90 and especially once her majority reached 100+which meant under our system the only official opposition became the House of Lords. The article already cited on the OU contains the quote
'... The cuts in 1981 were a disaster for British higher education – some of worst things that have ever happened to higher education ...’
So much so that she promoted all the polytechnics to universities, without changing anything more than their names. These have been the butt of derision for all right-thinking PB Tories ever since.0 -
LOL, in other words you were talking out of your rectum.felix said:
Oh indeed - my point was simply that Ruth could easily win a Scottish seat if one came up.Alistair said:
John Lamont has spent his career trying g to become MP of BRS, he gave up his Holyrood seat to do so - he isn't moving.felix said:
Ahem - border seats, Aberdeenshire seats - you really think the Tories will lose them all on current polling. You obviously haven't had your daily turnip yet.malcolmg said:
Cuckoofelix said:
I think there are several Scottish seats she could easily win on current polling - if they became vacant.peter_from_putney said:
That's still quite a tall order -TheScreamingEagles said:On topic I agree with David except about laying Ruth Davidson.
I’m backing her.
If she formally announces her intention to stand at Westminster her price is going to collapse.
- She would need to find a winnable and probably therefore English seat.
- Win the local constituency party's nomination.
- Garner sufficient support of the Parliamentary Party to go into the final ballot.
- Short of there being a "coronation", win the Tory membership vote.
Taking account of the above, it might require a two stage process for her to become say the leader after next, which could take 9 years or more and by which time there are likely to be other, as yet unidentified contenders.
Dumfries and Galloway has a large Labour 3rd place to squeeze for an anti-terrorism vote.
Only DCT of the borders seat is a viable seat for Mundell to step down and Davidson to take over.0 -
Does his treatment cost £350m a week?FrancisUrquhart said:
Jesus is he only 53. Perhaps the NHS could use him as a poster child for the effects of too much drinking and smoking.Theuniondivvie said:Heartrending.
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