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JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." https://t.co/aiagnvr8eS pic.twitter.com/r8u2LWAd0O
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"DOJ weighing federal charges in Kate Steinle murder case, after not guilty verdict"
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In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?0
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Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.0
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Hmm. Those betting the other day on no state visit might be collecting sooner than expected.
Depending on the wording of the bet (ie Trump/the President of the US).0 -
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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I fear you are wrong.
As with Brexit, voters have made their mind up on Trump and the camps are entrenched and miles apart. Any wavering is seen as disloyalty first and foremost, and there can be no deviation from your side, or acknowledgement that the other side have a point or there are weaknesses in your argument.
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I never expectedrkrkrk said:In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?
1) It to happen so soon, I was expecting a long drawn out investigation
2) Mike Flynn to become a rat and squeal.0 -
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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This comes down to who are these Russians and what exactly happened with them. Could be serious for Trump or could just be another storm in a teacup.0
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God forbidrottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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I think doom is too strong a word but I do think Brexit will have a very negative effect in the long run - it is already becoming evident in that UK growth is slowing down whilst world growth is speeding up. The UK is likely to enter into a long period of relative decline and it's quite hard to see how this could be reversed. Over time I think most foreign investment will relocate to the continent and London will gradually lose its position as Europe's financial centre and return to the kind of position it had in the 1970s - important, but not the major world city it is today. A cliff edge Brexit would speed up this process considerably.felix said:
52% voted for it unlike me. I believe many did not expect it to be all goodies from day 1. The polling recently has shown little significant change in peoples' views. Again like so many hard core 'remainers' you over egg the negatives and assume the voters will follow your lead. I did not want Brexit but I am sceptical about the portents of doom and I hope for a better outcome. Can you honestly say the same?anothernick said:
Certainly things have not turned out as bad as project fear suggested but nor are they anywhere near as good as leavers promised. We have already seen the promises of a simple, cost-free exit disappear like the autumn mist and it is clear beyond reasonable doubt that our exit will be on unfavourable terms dictated by the EU. There seems to be no hope of living standards rising for the forseeable future and the famous £350m for the NHS will never be delivered. We were promised all the trading advantages of EU membership but none of the costs - what we seem to be getting is all the costs and precious few of the advantages. This is unlikely to escape the notice of the electorate over the next few years.felix said:
Yes but the hype is so extreme that unless we really do have floods, pestilence and the £ sinks without trace - things won't seem so bad. After all the fact that the £ has held up well above $ and € parity so far has already confounded many predictions made just after the vote.
Of course I hope for a better outcome, but it's very hard to see how this could come about.0 -
If Trump goes, Pence is next up. If he goes, it's... Ryan?
[I'm aware we're a long way from even Trump going, just contemplating contingencies].0 -
I fully expect the markets to considerably overreact. Will GOP senators vote to convict? Would the House vote to impeach? For all Flynn's plea, I'm sceptical that they would. Yet. If he does go early, it'll be because of something he does as president (which may be in connection to this case) than for anything that happened in the election.0
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Between now and January 2019 it's Paul Ryan after Pence, but after January 2019 it is likely to be Nancy Pelosi.Morris_Dancer said:If Trump goes, Pence is next up. If he goes, it's... Ryan?
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On 2), isn’t that how the “justice” system works in the US though - the Feds charge someone junior and threaten him with 20 years to life unless he talks, in which case it’ll be six months’ house arrest?TheScreamingEagles said:
I never expectedrkrkrk said:In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?
1) It to happen so soon, I was expecting a long drawn out investigation
2) Mike Flynn too become a rat and squeal.0 -
Firstly of course, this is AFTER the election, so forget all the Russian collusion stuff.
All we have so far is the Brian Ross report. Post-election, it was perfectly reasonable for Trump to direct Flynn to talk to nations including the Russians about the UN December vote. The question is what did he tell Flynn to say?
Also at this point Obama was still POTUS at it was pre-inauguration, so Trump should have stayed clear of breaking away from Obama's policy. Only 1 president at a time..
Which brings us to Flynn. He worked for the Obama administration but was agitating too much against radical islamic terrorism for them, so they had issues and fired him. Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn, and apparently had him under surveillance! Once he lied to Pence about what he said to the Russians he was fired forthwith. So he has some credibility issues.
You might want to wait before pronouncing this a game changer. We've known this was coming for over a week. The question is what else does he have to tell Mueller? So far it's a non-event. Potentially that may change.
Prosecuting an ex-official for lying when he was fired for lying by 2 administrations is a nuthin' burger.
- and we're not even mentioning his foreign agent problems, and his son's activities, all of which is yet to come to light.0 -
It might be possible he tries to have his own Saturday night massacre and that's tipping point.david_herdson said:I fully expect the markets to considerably overreact. Will GOP senators vote to convict? Would the House vote to impeach? For all Flynn's plea, I'm sceptical that they would. Yet. If he does go early, it'll be because of something he does as president (which may be in connection to this case) than for anything that happened in the election.
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Don't first-strike nuclear orders have to be counter-authorised by another senior official?rottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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Mr. Eagles, cheers.0
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Indeed. I am in one of my gloomy, black dog days, so hopefully I am being too pessimistic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
God forbidrottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
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Not necessarily. Congress can appoint a new VP (the Gerald Ford scenario).Morris_Dancer said:If Trump goes, Pence is next up. If he goes, it's... Ryan?
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According to the report I heard Flynn switched because he felt abandoned by Trump and was facing crippling legal costs.Sandpit said:
On 2), isn’t that how the “justice” system works in the US though - the Feds charge someone junior and threaten him with 20 years to life unless he talks, in which case it’ll be six months’ house arrest?TheScreamingEagles said:
I never expectedrkrkrk said:In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?
1) It to happen so soon, I was expecting a long drawn out investigation
2) Mike Flynn too become a rat and squeal.0 -
Politics is becoming more and more like a Victorian penny-dreadful where each chapter ends with a dramatic twist to the plot.0
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On topic, the big question is how much hard evidence Flynn has of Trump's instruction. If Trump simply accuses Flynn of lying (as he may well) how does Flynn counter that?
I'm far from convinced that this is yet a game-changer.0 -
Conventional wisdom here is that after so long a with such a big and expensive investigation, Mueller had to come up with something, as the whole "Russia election collusion" angle is clearly not going anywhere.TheScreamingEagles said:
I never expectedrkrkrk said:In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?
1) It to happen so soon, I was expecting a long drawn out investigation
2) Mike Flynn too become a rat and squeal.
Flynn - allegedly- is copping this plea (which is a cup cake compared to what they could have got him for) at least in part to help his son. The fact it's a single indictment means that there is at least one more shoe to fall, as part of his proffer deal with Mueller.0 -
Don't think so.david_herdson said:
Don't first-strike nuclear orders have to be counter-authorised by another senior official?rottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2016/11/18/the-president-and-the-bomb/0 -
Sadly, I agree. Also I'm not convinced that the evidence of a man who has pleaded guilty to having lied can be regarded as a reliable witness about anything.tpfkar said:I fear you are wrong.
As with Brexit, voters have made their mind up on Trump and the camps are entrenched and miles apart. Any wavering is seen as disloyalty first and foremost, and there can be no deviation from your side, or acknowledgement that the other side have a point or there are weaknesses in your argument.
I hope I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.0 -
@TheScreamingEagles - I’m with you on 1) but 2) disagree
Clear I think that Flynn had some dirt and given the trouble he has found himself in...0 -
Mike Flynn the John Dean de nos jours?0
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Did you see today's manufacturing PMI? Monthly figures vary but the direction of travel is interesting.anothernick said:FPT
I think doom is too strong a word but I do think Brexit will have a very negative effect in the long run - it is already becoming evident in that UK growth is slowing down whilst world growth is speeding up. The UK is likely to enter into a long period of relative decline and it's quite hard to see how this could be reversed. Over time I think most foreign investment will relocate to the continent and London will gradually lose its position as Europe's financial centre and return to the kind of position it had in the 1970s - important, but not the major world city it is today. A cliff edge Brexit would speed up this process considerably.felix said:
52% voted for it unlike me. I believe many did not expect it to be all goodies from day 1. The polling recently has shown little significant change in peoples' views. Again like so many hard core 'remainers' you over egg the negatives and assume the voters will follow your lead. I did not want Brexit but I am sceptical about the portents of doom and I hope for a better outcome. Can you honestly say the same?anothernick said:
Certainly things have not turned out as bad as project fear suggested but nor are they anywhere near as good as leavers promised. We have already seen the promises of a simple, cost-free exit disappear like the autumn mist and it is clear beyond reasonable doubt that our exit will be on unfavourable terms dictated by the EU. There seems to be no hope of living standards rising for the forseeable future and the famous £350m for the NHS will never be delivered. We were promised all the trading advantages of EU membership but none of the costs - what we seem to be getting is all the costs and precious few of the advantages. This is unlikely to escape the notice of the electorate over the next few years.felix said:
Yes but the hype is so extreme that unless we really do have floods, pestilence and the £ sinks without trace - things won't seem so bad. After all the fact that the £ has held up well above $ and € parity so far has already confounded many predictions made just after the vote.
Of course I hope for a better outcome, but it's very hard to see how this could come about.0 -
There is a lot to be gloomy about but we have very much more to be grateful for.rottenborough said:
Indeed. I am in one of my gloomy, black dog days, so hopefully I am being too pessimistic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
God forbidrottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
Brexit hopefully will see sensible compromises and we could all do to leave behind our locked in remain and leave positions and actively support a confident and successful Brexit.
It is not often said on here but the EU have huge contrary forces and the idea the 27 are full of harmony and joy is far from the reality of the EU both now and into the future0 -
There's also the possibility that Flynn delivered a different message to what Trump told him to say. That's one of the things Obama warned Trump about Flynn.david_herdson said:On topic, the big question is how much hard evidence Flynn has of Trump's instruction. If Trump simply accuses Flynn of lying (as he may well) how does Flynn counter that?
I'm far from convinced that this is yet a game-changer.0 -
Yes, it would depend on the timing and sequencing of resignations. If either Trump or Pence go they’d want to quickly confirm another VP if the Speaker was a Democrat.david_herdson said:
Not necessarily. Congress can appoint a new VP (the Gerald Ford scenario).Morris_Dancer said:If Trump goes, Pence is next up. If he goes, it's... Ryan?
[I'm aware we're a long way from even Trump going, just contemplating contingencies].
Just about the only conceivable scenario where the Speaker directly becomes President would be a double assassination. AIUI POTUS and Veep never travel together and rarely appear in public together outside Washington.0 -
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Very Charles Dickens , Hard Times.Richard_Nabavi said:Politics is becoming more and more like a Victorian penny-dreadful where each chapter ends with a dramatic twist to the plot.
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Is Tommy Robinson calling Donald Trump a w*nker? Mass debate
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Tensions in EU could rapidly become highly critical if Macron pushes forward on his plans for a new europe.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a lot to be gloomy about but we have very much more to be grateful for.rottenborough said:
Indeed. I am in one of my gloomy, black dog days, so hopefully I am being too pessimistic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
God forbidrottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
Brexit hopefully will see sensible compromises and we could all do to leave behind our locked in remain and leave positions and actively support a confident and successful Brexit.
It is not often said on here but the EU have huge contrary forces and the idea the 27 are full of harmony and joy is far from the reality of the EU both now and into the future0 -
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And this report from CityAM this morning. #despitebrexitfelix said:
Did you see today's manufacturing PMI? Monthly figures vary but the direction of travel is interesting.anothernick said:FPT
I think doom is too strong a word but I do think Brexit will have a very negative effect in the long run - it is already becoming evident in that UK growth is slowing down whilst world growth is speeding up. The UK is likely to enter into a long period of relative decline and it's quite hard to see how this could be reversed. Over time I think most foreign investment will relocate to the continent and London will gradually lose its position as Europe's financial centre and return to the kind of position it had in the 1970s - important, but not the major world city it is today. A cliff edge Brexit would speed up this process considerably.felix said:
52% voted for it unlike me. I believe many did not expect it to be all goodies from day 1. The polling recently has shown little significant change in peoples' views. Again like so many hard core 'remainers' you over egg the negatives and assume the voters will follow your lead. I did not want Brexit but I am sceptical about the portents of doom and I hope for a better outcome. Can you honestly say the same?anothernick said:
Certainly things have not turned out as bad as project fear suggested but nor are they anywhere near as good as leavers promised. We have already seen the promises of a simple, cost-free exit disappear like the autumn mist and it is clear beyond reasonable doubt that our exit will be on unfavourable terms dictated by the EU. There seems to be no hope of living standards rising for the forseeable future and the famous £350m for the NHS will never be delivered. We were promised all the trading advantages of EU membership but none of the costs - what we seem to be getting is all the costs and precious few of the advantages. This is unlikely to escape the notice of the electorate over the next few years.felix said:
Yes but the hype is so extreme that unless we really do have floods, pestilence and the £ sinks without trace - things won't seem so bad. After all the fact that the £ has held up well above $ and € parity so far has already confounded many predictions made just after the vote.
Of course I hope for a better outcome, but it's very hard to see how this could come about.
http://www.cityam.com/276748/city-firms-hiring-spree-salaries-look-set-keep-rising
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Flynn was an exceptional intelligence officer but as he rose through the ranks he exhibited poor judgment and a disregard for the truth and sailed pretty close to the wind in his international dealings..TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Flynn the John Dean de nos jours?
The networks are now emphasizing that the lies Flynn told Pence were the same ones the feds got him for.
The one thing we don't know is what he talked to the Russian ambassador about which got him fired. The plea agreement doesn't say. There is no suggestion to this point that Flynn did anything illegal at all except to lying to investigators.
The one thing not appearing anywhere is the slightest taint of Russian collusion.0 -
Is this the reason for the rather bizarre re-tweet earlier in the week. A diversion from the more serious case?
Or was it to keep the racists and screwballs on-board while the Flynn business took its course.0 -
Trump should probably take his usual def/offensive action & fire the guy. ....
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"Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyone."
Well the fact that the country's been running in spite of Trump, sort of, does indicate a certain stability, thanks to the original framers of the constitution. Ideally that stability will extend to a Trump excretion.0 -
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
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It is time for a prosecution under the Logan Act.Tim_B said:
Flynn was an exceptional intelligence officer but as he rose through the ranks he exhibited poor judgment and a disregard for the truth and sailed pretty close to the wind in his international dealings..TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Flynn the John Dean de nos jours?
The networks are now emphasizing that the lies Flynn told Pence were the same ones the feds got him for.
The one thing we don't know is what he talked to the Russian ambassador about which got him fired. The plea agreement doesn't say. There is no suggestion to this point that Flynn did anything illegal at all except to lying to investigators.
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OK. Fair enough.rottenborough said:
Don't think so.david_herdson said:
Don't first-strike nuclear orders have to be counter-authorised by another senior official?rottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2016/11/18/the-president-and-the-bomb/
That said, I think I remember from Yes Prime Minister that it's much the same here. (The advice given Hacker was to avoid getting drunk).0 -
Charles with sky-high popularity ratings?TheScreamingEagles said:There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
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Haven't Kelly and Mattis discussed physically tackling Trump before he launches the nukes?david_herdson said:
OK. Fair enough.rottenborough said:
Don't think so.david_herdson said:
Don't first-strike nuclear orders have to be counter-authorised by another senior official?rottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2016/11/18/the-president-and-the-bomb/
That said, I think I remember from Yes Prime Minister that it's much the same here. (The advice given Hacker was to avoid getting drunk).
Edit - Republicans Are Talking About Tackling Trump If He Goes for the Nuclear Football
https://www.gq.com/story/nuclear-football-tackle
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There is of course a personal side to this - Flynn is facing crippling legal bills, his professional career is in ruins, and he didn't want either himself or his family to go through another 2 to 3 years of this anguish, so making a deal does make sense for him.
Flynn is selling his home because he's so short of cash. He may be an imperfect person but he's still human.
It's getting so that the facade of the E Barrett Prettyman United States Court House is very familiar.0 -
they reckon Jared Kushner could be in big trouble. It would be worthwhile if it put a stop to US nepotism once and for all. They make the the Saudi Arabians look like a meritocracy0
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What happens if Meghan Markle's number appears on Matt Lauer's speed dial?0
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But a popular King Charles the III wouldn't be following the script.TheScreamingEagles said:There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
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Had Hillary become President last year, 4 out 5 last Presidents would have been related to each other.RobD said:
Have you looked at Saudi Arabia recently? Talk about hyperbole!Roger said:they reckon Jared Kushner could be in big trouble. It would be worthwhile if it put a stop to US nepotism once and for all. They make the the Saudi Arabians look like a meritocracy
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Oh my, looks like the Republic of Ireland are taking back control.
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That was my feeling too. Probably Trump will say just that, and his fans will believe him. Or he can say sure, he told Flynn to talk to lots of people in case he became President, always useful to sound out your future partners.david_herdson said:On topic, the big question is how much hard evidence Flynn has of Trump's instruction. If Trump simply accuses Flynn of lying (as he may well) how does Flynn counter that?
I'm far from convinced that this is yet a game-changer.
On the last thread, by the way, the +12 for the Tories on "good for people like me" is wrong - it should be -12. Interesting that the parties are nearly level on "good leaders" and "extreme".0 -
I think Chazza will feel (correctly) that if he is King at all, it's very much on sufferance, and his best plan is keep quiet and not attract attention to himself. I think there has already been a diminution in public twattery from him. Camilla was liked by 33% of the public in the recent poll, and there's still a lot of downside in that.TheScreamingEagles said:There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
More interesting and likely, what if the PM at the time of the visit is Jezza?0 -
Even Maggie Thatcher wouldn't have had Mark meeting her foreign dignitaries in Downing St in her placeRobD said:
Have you looked at Saudi Arabia recently? Talk about hyperbole!Roger said:they reckon Jared Kushner could be in big trouble. It would be worthwhile if it put a stop to US nepotism once and for all. They make the the Saudi Arabians look like a meritocracy
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The FBI will not want to put Flynn on the stand, given his arm's length relationship with the truth, so expect him to be comprehensively debriefed by the feds over the next few weeks, They will want to get evidence from him that can be corroborated by other less problematic witnesses.0
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Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”0
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It is said that in 1974, when Watergate engulfed Nixon, the then Secretary for Defence, Schlesinger, agreed with the Chiefs of Staff that they would not act on any White House orders without referring to him. This was because they believed that Nixon might try to stage a coup. One hopes that there is a similar arrangement in place now to forestall Trump.TheScreamingEagles said:
Haven't Kelly and Mattis discussed physically tackling Trump before he launches the nukes?david_herdson said:
OK. Fair enough.rottenborough said:
Don't think so.david_herdson said:
Don't first-strike nuclear orders have to be counter-authorised by another senior official?rottenborough said:
Not sure NK will though very sadly. Trump is likely to take Rocket Man down with him, as a final f-u act.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just think - could Theresa out last Merkel and TrumpBig_G_NorthWales said:
Trump gone would be fabulous - but utter chaos seems highly likely and not good for anyonerottenborough said:Wow, oh wow! Please, please make this not be fake news.
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2016/11/18/the-president-and-the-bomb/
That said, I think I remember from Yes Prime Minister that it's much the same here. (The advice given Hacker was to avoid getting drunk).
Edit - Republicans Are Talking About Tackling Trump If He Goes for the Nuclear Football
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So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
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According to someone well informed on the 5 pm News Flynn wouldn't have done this without making a deal on his future incarceration and there's no way they would have given him that deal unless he had PROVABLE and significant evidence against the presidents staff at least at the level of KushnerNickPalmer said:
That was my feeling too. Probably Trump will say just that, and his fans will believe him. Or he can say sure, he told Flynn to talk to lots of people in case he became President, always useful to sound out your future partners.david_herdson said:On topic, the big question is how much hard evidence Flynn has of Trump's instruction. If Trump simply accuses Flynn of lying (as he may well) how does Flynn counter that?
I'm far from convinced that this is yet a game-changer.
On the last thread, by the way, the +12 for the Tories on "good for people like me" is wrong - it should be -12. Interesting that the parties are nearly level on "good leaders" and "extreme".0 -
And if they do not they do not get anything from the UK and hard Brexit it is - just to be clear I do not want that outcome but the EU are playing very high stakes especially IrelandSandpit said:
So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
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Flynn is trying to stay solvent, save his family and avoid bankruptcy, Mueller is under pressure to get something as the original reason for appointing him has gone away and he's burning through huge wads of cash on his investigation.Roger said:
According to someone well informed on the 5 pm News Flynn wouldn't have done this without making a deal on his future incarceration and there's no way they would have given him that deal unless he had PROVABLE and significant evidence against the presidents staff at least at the level of KushnerNickPalmer said:
That was my feeling too. Probably Trump will say just that, and his fans will believe him. Or he can say sure, he told Flynn to talk to lots of people in case he became President, always useful to sound out your future partners.david_herdson said:On topic, the big question is how much hard evidence Flynn has of Trump's instruction. If Trump simply accuses Flynn of lying (as he may well) how does Flynn counter that?
I'm far from convinced that this is yet a game-changer.
On the last thread, by the way, the +12 for the Tories on "good for people like me" is wrong - it should be -12. Interesting that the parties are nearly level on "good leaders" and "extreme".
The only reason for flipping Flynn is to get further up the chain of command. The plea agreement says virtually nothing. So we have no idea what they do or don't have. For all we know Flynn just cried Uncle.0 -
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Mr. Sandpit, indeed. They're doing their best for a cliff-edge, either as punishment for a democratic decision or to try and force us to change our minds and recant.0
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No - selective quoting from TSE [ i'm shocked]. Tusk also said it was clear that final agreement on the border could not come till trade talks begin.Sandpit said:
So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
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Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh my, looks like the Republic of Ireland are taking back control.
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Indeed. I think we’d all like to remain on good terms and continue trading with the EU after we leave, but they’re sounding more and more like the type of vindictive ex-wife who doesn’t care if all the family’s money goes to the lawyers so long as you don’t get to keep any of it. Not a good look.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And if they do not they do not get anything from the UK and hard Brexit it is - just to be clear I do not want that outcome but the EU are playing very high stakes especially IrelandSandpit said:
So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
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Possible by-election in Washington DC Central. The LibDems must fancy their chances.
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Meanwhile, the pressure grows on Franken and Conyers to quit.0
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I know, can any amongst us truthfully say we haven't lied to the FBI about meeting Russians?Tim_B said:There is of course a personal side to this - Flynn is facing crippling legal bills, his professional career is in ruins, and he didn't want either himself or his family to go through another 2 to 3 years of this anguish, so making a deal does make sense for him.
Flynn is selling his home because he's so short of cash. He may be an imperfect person but he's still human.
It's getting so that the facade of the E Barrett Prettyman United States Court House is very familiar.
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Ah. Okay, good to hear. As long as win-win is still on the table then I’m happy.felix said:
No - selective quoting from TSE [ i'm shocked]. Tusk also said it was clear that final agreement on the border could not come till trade talks begin.Sandpit said:
So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
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They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
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Apparently Flynn is prepared to testify that "senior transition officials" at Mar a Largo in late December told him to talk to various nation including Russia, and what they told him to say.
That's presumably code for one of the top team members, already starting to Make America Great Again...
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I thought they had a veto at the first stage but QMV on trade. In any event the Irish have already said this (referring in passing to said veto), so the EU statement simply confirms it:Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney is pragmatic: “We don’t need to use a veto because we have complete solidarity on this issue with 26 other EU countries. It is clear to us that if there is not progress on the Irish Border, we will not be moving on to phase two [of Brexit negotiations] in December and that was reinforced to me ... by very senior EU leaders.”0 -
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
Tusk acknowledged that in his statement.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
Wasn't Barnier talking about moving to phase 2?foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
OK, I have it the wrong way around, my apologies. I am sure I saw some commentary to the contrary, but anyhow. I should know that trade is unanimity after the Canada saga.foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
I guess the talk of the Irish veto now was because they always had the option of vetoing the final deal if they were unhappy with the border issue resolution.
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That step needs endorsement by the EU heads of government as I recall.RobD said:
Wasn't Barnier talking about moving to phase 2?foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
I'm not sure if it is chicken and egg or just cutting off the nose to spite the face. Either way, a dose of common sense in Brussels and Dublin would be most welcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
This afternoon's news re: Michael Flynn plus the tiff between La May and Trump make Ladbrokes odds of 6/4 against Trump visiting the U.K. during 2018 look pretty good value, but as ever DYOR.0
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We are looking at a Canada-style final deal. The EU has made that clear on a number of occasions. So we do know where we would be heading.foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
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We are getting there. Mrs May has decided to face down the loons in her own party. It’s just the DUP to go now.RobD said:
Wasn't Barnier talking about moving to phase 2?foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
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No bet for me. A useful distraction from affairs at home.peter_from_putney said:This afternoon's news re: Michael Flynn plus the tiff between La May and Trump make Ladbrokes odds of 6/4 against Trump visiting the U.K. during 2018 look pretty good value, but as ever DYOR.
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I think that possible, but not certain. What issues are covered are the devil in the detail. Agricultural standards? financial services? etc.SouthamObserver said:
We are looking at a Canada-style final deal. The EU has made that clear on a number of occasions. So we do know where we would be heading.foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.0 -
Scarcer than Unobtanium.....SandyRentool said:....a dose of common sense in Brussels and Dublin would be most welcome.
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We just need progress at this stage. The onus is on us to show how the promises made by the UK about the Irish border can work within the context of a Canada style deal. There are clearly solutions. It’s just that they’ll not be palatable to the DUP. But why should they get to derail everything?foxinsoxuk said:
I think that possible, but not certain. What issues are covered are the devil in the detail. Agricultural standards? financial services? etc.SouthamObserver said:
We are looking at a Canada-style final deal. The EU has made that clear on a number of occasions. So we do know where we would be heading.foxinsoxuk said:
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.Richard_Nabavi said:
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.IanB2 said:Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
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I expected it to happen before Christmas... but I still think it will be a long drawn out investigation.TheScreamingEagles said:
I never expectedrkrkrk said:In a sense a game changer - but are any of us really surprised?
1) It to happen so soon, I was expecting a long drawn out investigation
2) Mike Flynn to become a rat and squeal.
Kushner is likely the next target.
As for Flynn squealing, why the surprise ?
(Not least as his son might otherwise have been facing charges - note his statement included doing "the best for my family"... as well as the country. Probably the first time in a while he's spoken the unvarnished truth.)
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My Trump departure 2018 dabble ought to be looking good tonight.
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Which hurts...Sandpit said:
So I was right. The EU are just trying to run the clock down and have no intention of giving us the type of comprehensive trade deal that would allow for an open border in Ireland.TheScreamingEagles said:Tusk - "I realize that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand. This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”
...The Irish most of all.
The Irish government is seeking to make political capital out of the Brexit negotiations. But, they also know that a "no deal" scenario is particularly serious for them.0 -
What if he comes as a private citizen?peter_from_putney said:This afternoon's news re: Michael Flynn plus the tiff between La May and Trump make Ladbrokes odds of 6/4 against Trump visiting the U.K. during 2018 look pretty good value, but as ever DYOR.
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