Meanwhile, the pressure grows on Franken and Conyers to quit.
Franken's position looks very precarious. If any more comes out, I think he has to go.
Conyers has a presser at his home in a few minutes. Even Pelosi is urging him to quit. Franken is cooperating with the ethics investigation into him. Like he has a choice.
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon would ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon will ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
I don't think Steve Bannon has the power you think he does.
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon would ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
This is interesting. Obviously, a Trump departure puts Pence in the Oval Office and a more conservative GOP representative in charge. I would expect the GOP to rally behind Pence but as you say how would the Trump loyalists react ? Would we see a schism within the GOP as happened more than a century ago and would Trump run as an independent in 2020 IF he were forced out ?
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon would ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
This is interesting. Obviously, a Trump departure puts Pence in the Oval Office and a more conservative GOP representative in charge. I would expect the GOP to rally behind Pence but as you say how would the Trump loyalists react ? Would we see a schism within the GOP as happened more than a century ago and would Trump run as an independent in 2020 IF he were forced out ?
Trump never expected to win the Presidency, he certainly had realised a long time ago that he was not suitable. But, here is the laugh, as much as he tried to show it, the more popular he became. As far as I can see, when he "lost", he was expecting to go on Fox as the greatest President who never made it and lost to a Clinton/Democrat fix.
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon would ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
This is interesting. Obviously, a Trump departure puts Pence in the Oval Office and a more conservative GOP representative in charge. I would expect the GOP to rally behind Pence but as you say how would the Trump loyalists react ? Would we see a schism within the GOP as happened more than a century ago and would Trump run as an independent in 2020 IF he were forced out ?
Pence may well be brought down by Flynn too and Trump still polls even higher than Pence with Republican voters so he could take most of his voters with him if he went third party in 2020 which would open the way to a Sanders Presidency with the conservative vote split much as Perot helped Clinton win in 1992
The GOP are unlikely to vote to impeach Trump as Bannon will ensure virtually the entire GOP Congressional delegation is primaried by Trump loyalists next year and 2020 much as Momentum is getting ready to start deselecting moderate Labour MPs from next summer over here. Every US poll has Republican voters almost as loyal to Trump as Labour voters are to Corbyn.
Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
I don't think Steve Bannon has the power you think he does.
He has already managed to get Roy Moore picked as Alabama GOP Senate candidate against the GOP establishment's choice Luther Strange (who even Trump endorsed)
Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
Not quite true. The A50 negotiations are QMV, a trade deal needs unanimity. In reality though the distinction is academic as the EU27 have held solidarity very well.
We are looking at a Canada-style final deal. The EU has made that clear on a number of occasions. So we do know where we would be heading.
I think that possible, but not certain. What issues are covered are the devil in the detail. Agricultural standards? financial services? etc.
Precisely - and some of those devilish details are exactly the ones which are most relevant to Irish border problem.
I find the behaviour of the retired policeman in the Green quite extraordinary. Keeping a police notebook is a disgrace. This was not his personal property but police property, potentially containing relevant evidence. The fact that it has been taken means that its probative evidence is nil. The chain of evidence has been broken. No-one can have any confidence that what is written in it was written at the time, was accurate and has not been tampered with.
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
I find the behaviour of the retired policeman in the Green quite extraordinary. Keeping a police notebook is a disgrace. This was not his personal property but police property, potentially containing relevant evidence. The fact that it has been taken means that its probative evidence is nil. The chain of evidence has been broken. No-one can have any confidence that what is written in it was written at the time, was accurate and has not been tampered with.
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
Na, it's alright if it's a Tory minister at the receiving end.
The tax bill looks likely to pass the US Senate today.
The stealth Obamacare repeal bill t give it it's full name.
It also craps all over graduate students, by including their waived tuition fees as a part of their taxable income.
There’s a lot of allowable deductions against income tax that are eliminated by this bill, the aim of course is to make tax simpler, but as always those losing out are making lots of noise while the majority who gain say nothing.
The graduate students’ issue can probably be fudged with a change in their contract to work better within the new tax rules.
I find the behaviour of the retired policeman in the Green quite extraordinary. Keeping a police notebook is a disgrace. This was not his personal property but police property, potentially containing relevant evidence. The fact that it has been taken means that its probative evidence is nil. The chain of evidence has been broken. No-one can have any confidence that what is written in it was written at the time, was accurate and has not been tampered with.
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
Na, it's alright if it's a Tory minister at the receiving end.
Makes a change from leftie protestors, foootball fans or trade unionists being fitted up...
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
This afternoon's news re: Michael Flynn plus the tiff between La May and Trump make Ladbrokes odds of 6/4 against Trump visiting the U.K. during 2018 look pretty good value, but as ever DYOR.
What if he comes as a private citizen?
Unless it's to play golf at his course in Scotland, I reckon a visit to the UK anytime soon is very unlikely and he's sure to be strongly discouraged by all concerned from making such a trip
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
The sofascore app has a nice little interactive predictor.
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
A moron with poor judgement doesn’t stop being that because of one choice. Am I referring to Charles or Trump? Both fit the bill.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
This afternoon's news re: Michael Flynn plus the tiff between La May and Trump make Ladbrokes odds of 6/4 against Trump visiting the U.K. during 2018 look pretty good value, but as ever DYOR.
What if he comes as a private citizen?
Unless it's to play golf at his course in Scotland, I reckon a visit to the UK anytime soon is very unlikely and he's sure to be strongly discouraged by all concerned from making such a trip
His courses in Scotland are losing memberships and profits. Looking at the legal situation, there are too many who like to see him arrested. Ex-besties Salmon and Sturgeon don't want to be seen anywhere near him, now!
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
A moron with poor judgement doesn’t stop being that because of one choice. Am I referring to Charles or Trump? Both fit the bill.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
Trump, for all his failings, cannot *irrevocably* harm the presidency. He's not even the worst president.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
The sofascore app has a nice little interactive predictor.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
The sofascore app has a nice little interactive predictor.
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
A moron with poor judgement doesn’t stop being that because of one choice. Am I referring to Charles or Trump? Both fit the bill.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
Trump, for all his failings, cannot *irrevocably* harm the presidency. He's not even the worst president.
Which president in living memory, or indeed after the end of the 19th Century would you say is worse? Before then is irrelevant ancient history for most.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
Königsberg
Kaliningrad is just its Communist name!
OK, yes! And, if you were wanting to tweak a few Western noses, where would you put one of the stadia to annoy so many ex-under states and remind them of your power over them, still....
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
A moron with poor judgement doesn’t stop being that because of one choice. Am I referring to Charles or Trump? Both fit the bill.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
Trump, for all his failings, cannot *irrevocably* harm the presidency. He's not even the worst president.
Which president in living memory, or indeed after the end of the 19th Century would you say is worse? Before then is irrelevant ancient history for most.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
Königsberg
Kaliningrad is just its Communist name!
OK, yes! And, if you were wanting to tweak a few Western noses, where would you put one of the stadia to annoy so many ex-under states and remind them of your power over them, still....
German perhaps. Polish at a stretch (but only those who remember* the third division of Poland). Do you really think that many people, frankly many politicians, could point to East Prussia on a map?
I find the behaviour of the retired policeman in the Green quite extraordinary. Keeping a police notebook is a disgrace. This was not his personal property but police property, potentially containing relevant evidence. The fact that it has been taken means that its probative evidence is nil. The chain of evidence has been broken. No-one can have any confidence that what is written in it was written at the time, was accurate and has not been tampered with.
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
Na, it's alright if it's a Tory minister at the receiving end.
Makes a change from leftie protestors, foootball fans or trade unionists being fitted up...
Or dead football fans......
The dog that did not bark in the Leveson inquiry and all the hacking hoo-ha was the role of the police.
It is still very worrying that some police officers, including their former Head of Ethics (as heard on WATO today) seem not to understand the basics of their trade or, indeed, the law.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
Königsberg
Kaliningrad is just its Communist name!
OK, yes! And, if you were wanting to tweak a few Western noses, where would you put one of the stadia to annoy so many ex-under states and remind them of your power over them, still....
And Sunil, have a look at the history of the Teutonic Knights, the fortress and why the Russian's want to hang on to it.....
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
Königsberg
Kaliningrad is just its Communist name!
OK, yes! And, if you were wanting to tweak a few Western noses, where would you put one of the stadia to annoy so many ex-under states and remind them of your power over them, still....
And Sunil, have a look at the history of the Teutonic Knights, the fortress and why the Russian's want to hang on to it.....
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
The sofascore app has a nice little interactive predictor.
As an aside, looking at the previous thread and football, an interesting question is what would be the consequences of Israel qualifying for the World Cup which has been bought by Qatar.
As an aside, looking at the previous thread and football, an interesting question is what would be the consequences of Israel qualifying for the World Cup which has been bought by Qatar.
As an aside, looking at the previous thread and football, an interesting question is what would be the consequences of Israel qualifying for the World Cup which has been bought by Qatar.
Not sure, but I'm hoping it happens.
That would be rather amusing for the diplomats to sort out.
Suggest you have a look at a map, Kaliningrad! A small Russian satellite state right in the middle of EU states. Then take a look at the other stadiums, Putin is not just putting a middle finger up, he's sticking his fist up....
The sofascore app has a nice little interactive predictor.
I reckon we have to come top of the group to dodge Germany in the QF, though instead we get Brazil.
I am really looking forward to it, I have SF tickets in St Petersburg for me and Fox jr.
St Petersburg is just lovely, do make time to see the Russian Museum (I'd prioritize it over the Hermitage if you'd be short on time), full of amazing Russian artists that are totally unknown in the West. And if you can afford it, the Grand Hotel Europe is a magical place to stay.
I find the behaviour of the retired policeman in the Green quite extraordinary. Keeping a police notebook is a disgrace. This was not his personal property but police property, potentially containing relevant evidence. The fact that it has been taken means that its probative evidence is nil. The chain of evidence has been broken. No-one can have any confidence that what is written in it was written at the time, was accurate and has not been tampered with.
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
I watched the report and it struck me as very flaky. Everyone agrees that no crime was committed, and the evidence was limited to something the guy wrote in his notebook (means nothing for the reasons you describe) and his verbal account of events. Totally bizarre.
Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
I'll ask again, why was A50 included in the Lisbon Treaty?
Any State which secedes under A50, bar Cyprus, Malta, or Greece, will have a land border with the EU. But, we're led to believe that Europe's finest diplomatic minds are incapable of devising ways of maintaining a soft land border with a country which does secede (despite being able to maintain such a border with Norway and Switzerland).
So why include an Article that was never intended to be acted upon?
There's been a discussion in the office about Trump's State visit.
Just imagine if Charles was King, he'd be likely to publicly say he wouldn't entertain Trump on his visit.
Then where would we be?
A moron with poor judgement doesn’t stop being that because of one choice. Am I referring to Charles or Trump? Both fit the bill.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
Trump, for all his failings, cannot *irrevocably* harm the presidency. He's not even the worst president.
Which president in living memory, or indeed after the end of the 19th Century would you say is worse? Before then is irrelevant ancient history for most.
Warren Harding.
And I wouldn't write off the pre-1900 presidents. Ancient history or not, they count - not least because the baneful shadow of Andrew Johnson still hangs over the country to some extent.
Since they have a veto, surely it is just a statement of the obvious.
They don't have a veto, it's QMV.
In any case, it also works the other way. If 'no deal' is unacceptable to Ireland - which it is - then presumably 'no deal' is unacceptable to the EU.
Lord only knows why they are playing silly games over this, when it's as plain as a pikestaff that border arrangements depend crucially on the final EU-UK relationship which they are refusing to discuss. Just weird.
I'll ask again, why was A50 included in the Lisbon Treaty?
Any State which secedes under A50, bar Cyprus, Malta, or Greece, will have a land border with the EU. But, we're led to believe that Europe's finest diplomatic minds are incapable of devising ways of maintaining a soft land border with a country which does secede (despite being able to maintain such a border with Norway and Switzerland).
So why include an Article that was never intended to be acted upon?
The border with Norway and Switzerland does not meet the requirements that the *UK* side has already committed to in order to uphold the Good Friday Agreement. The position of the UK and Ireland is unique.
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Unless a midterm landslide for the Democrats next November sees them win control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate I do not expect Trump to be impeached.
The DJIA off a little as presumably profits are taken after yesterday's 300+ point rise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Königsberg
(Unless of course Mike was known to be in the region of Highgrove 33 years ago)
Second, investigating what is on a computer, who accessed it and whem requires a very accurate and forensically tight investigation in order to maintain the integrity of the evidence. It is not a simple matter of opening a computer and rooting round to have a look. The mere act of doing that, if not done properly, with an audit trail of what is done, risks destroying evidence, such as the metadata contained on the computer itself.
The likelihood of this being done, given that the focus of the original investigation was not pornography, is not high.
So the information being put out in the public domain risks damaging Green’s character with no real possibility of the allegations being proved or disproved. It is quite disgraceful for the police to leak details of an investigation and the justification that this is to protect or defend a senior officer really does not stack up. There was no public interest in revealing information in the first place.
It does seem to me that the target here may not be Green himself but his close ally, Mrs
May, who was not seen as the police’s friend and spoke some hard truths to them. Attacking one of her few allies, especially at a time when she is perceived as weak, might be one way of getting their revenge.
Very poor and very worrying behaviour by some in the police.
The graduate students’ issue can probably be fudged with a change in their contract to work better within the new tax rules.
https://www.sofascore.com/world-cup/
I reckon we have to come top of the group to dodge Germany in the QF, though instead we get Brazil.
I am really looking forward to it, I have SF tickets in St Petersburg for me and Fox jr.
Trump has the potential to irrevocably harm the US presidency through his behaviours. But is that worse than a person who is clearly very, very dim but doesn’t have the wit to understand that?
Kaliningrad is just its Communist name!
*not through living through it, perhaps
The dog that did not bark in the Leveson inquiry and all the hacking hoo-ha was the role of the police.
It is still very worrying that some police officers, including their former Head of Ethics (as heard on WATO today) seem not to understand the basics of their trade or, indeed, the law.
NEW THREAD!
Any State which secedes under A50, bar Cyprus, Malta, or Greece, will have a land border with the EU. But, we're led to believe that Europe's finest diplomatic minds are incapable of devising ways of maintaining a soft land border with a country which does secede (despite being able to maintain such a border with Norway and Switzerland).
So why include an Article that was never intended to be acted upon?
And I wouldn't write off the pre-1900 presidents. Ancient history or not, they count - not least because the baneful shadow of Andrew Johnson still hangs over the country to some extent.
PS, Greece has a large border with Bulgaria.