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1. is not completely correct. At all.rcs1000 said:
The first two are - of course - completely correct. But the UK government always had an absolute veto over the entry of any new member. Indeed, the way the EU is constituted, it's the one thing that cannot be "power grabbed" by Brussels.HYUFD said:
People voted LeaveTOPPING said:
It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.HYUFD said:
It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.TOPPING said:
Special treatment for City workers.TheScreamingEagles said:Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337
That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
1 'To ensure that decisions taken about the UK should be taken in the UK.'
2 'Voting to Leave offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.'
3 'Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.'
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/0 -
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@ParlyApp: .@Anna_Soubry tells the House she regards this as a badge of honour twitter.com/alliehbnews/st…0
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I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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Perhaps but it is 1 and 2 which have obviously been key for the government in determining how Brexit will look.rcs1000 said:
The first two are - of course - completely correct. But the UK government always had an absolute veto over the entry of any new member. Indeed, the way the EU is constituted, it's the one thing that cannot be "power grabbed" by Brussels.HYUFD said:
People voted LeaveTOPPING said:
It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.HYUFD said:
It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.TOPPING said:
Special treatment for City workers.TheScreamingEagles said:Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337
That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
1 'To ensure that decisions taken about the UK should be taken in the UK.'
2 'Voting to Leave offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.'
3 'Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.'
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/0 -
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
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Unless you are seriously ripped, you should never wear shirt sleeved shirts.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
He may have just been voting for what he believed was best for the country of course.DavidL said:
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
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I still wear them at 56. And its not like my kids cut me any slack about my rather excellent cricket hat...SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Nah, in the next 18 months or so backing Remain and trying to stop Hard/WTO Brexit is going to be a real voter winner.DavidL said:
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
Think of it like Churchill railing against appeasement.0 -
My recollection is that public polling generally suggests the public are in favour of quite harsh rules when it comes to benefits, harsher than the government proposes? If that is the case I don't see how it particularly adds to the Tories image as the nasty party except from those who already have that view. Poor implementation of course will lead to criticism, but problems with implementation do not make a policy nasty in itself, particularly when almost all big policies will have problems, or some people will fail to be helped by it, and even some hurt by it.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
O'Mara and Coad are clear examples of where local MPs are probably arseholes, in their own way, but as long as they keep their heads down nobody is going to care 5 minutes from now. A new arsehole, Labour or Tory, will emerge soon enough and we all get our fun with that and then move on, the parties don't really get effected (No matter how many times the usual crowd go 'See, O'mara is proof labour is full of sexist pigs', 'allegations about tory minister x's misconduct is proof the tories are all sleazy')
I'm generally sceptical though of the view specific policies or views 'reinforce' public attitudes. I think there's too many factors that go into which parties we back, and a lot of it is about background and who we think we are 'supposed' to vote for, and we justify liking or disliking a policy based on who proposes it. I'm even more confident in stating people will claim to back/reject a policy and then change their tune depending on who proposes it. We've seen it happen both ways. Even if UC were a policy without fault some people would still say the Tories are nasty and hate the poor, and Labour could increase military funding four times over and some people would say they were the unpatriotic ones.
It's mostly just tribalism, with specific policy figleafs, at least for the people who set the narratives on both sides.0 -
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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He just can't be that naïve. Not if he wants to get anywhere in politics anyway.Benpointer said:
He may have just been voting for what he believed was best for the country of course.DavidL said:
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
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I guess their thunder was stolen by the Telegraph, had to go with a real headline.Scott_P said:0 -
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Tsk! those over-65s eh! Have they no self-control?Scott_P said:0 -
That'd definitely a bad sign for anyone wanting to advance - as even Corbyn is learning, being leader is all about compromising on some views you hold because it is best overall for the country for you to take over and do some of what you believe best at least, even at the price of doing some things you think less than best.Benpointer said:
He may have just been voting for what he believed was best for the country of course.DavidL said:
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
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Long sleeved shirts should be worn with the sleeves turned up to below the elbow, never above.0
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It's mid November. Primrose Hill heatwave, or are you looking at holiday snaps?SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
And this is before Brexit.Benpointer said:
Tsk! those over-65s eh! Have they no self-control?Scott_P said:0 -
I think it's probably true - but slightly sad - that anti-tory voters generally don't care about these things.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
As I said at the time the Jared o'mara comments / behaviour was exposed, the thing I would have really appreciated from him would have been for him to demonstrate some understanding of why he made the comments - and did the things he did.
Conscious, public recognition of the bullied/bully dynamic. To me, that indicates someone who has grown up and put their past mistakes behind them - and is unlikely to be a prick in public - or private - again. I think this is particularly important for a politician on the liberal left.
In O'mara's case, I'm not convinced.0 -
@politicoalex: BREAKING: RNC withdraws support for Roy Moore. Story tk...0
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One doesn't have to to think that, by and large, voters won't care if she is punished or not. Heck, I've already forgotten the name of the Tory MP who said the n-word and I missed it happening in the first place. Fewer will agree with her than Coad, thank goodness, but once its out and 'apologies' are made, not many will care, and fewer still alter their stance on an entire party due to it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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"There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore." The same is even more applicable for men - is there anything worse than a middle-aged male pony-tail?SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
PS Short-sleeve shirts are fine at any age - but not in November!0 -
Possible coup underway in Zimbabwe, according to BBC Newsnight.0
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I have to say, my biggest concern with the amendment on the Brexit date thing is that the hardliners are still so paranoid they feel it is necessary.0
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Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live0 -
I was referring to it reinforcing their image as the nasty party less in relation to the public as a whole and more to Corbyn’s coalition of voters. Thus my reference to it keeping his coalition of voters together. On the public in general, the recent Social Attitudes Survey did show a significant shift away from the ‘be harsh on benefit claimants’ view. It’s not just the UC implementation which is the issue - the policy of making people wait 6 weeks as noted earlier in the thread, and which prompted my comment is a big reason why many have an issue with the UC.kle4 said:
My recollection is that public polling generally suggests the public are in favour of quite harsh rules when it comes to benefits, harsher than the government proposes? If that is the case I don't see how it particularly adds to the Tories image as the nasty party except from those who already have that view. Poor implementation of course will lead to criticism, but problems with implementation do not make a policy nasty in itself, particularly when almost all big policies will have problems, or some people will fail to be helped by it, and even some hurt by it.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
O'Mara and Coad are clear examples of where local MPs are probably arseholes, in their own way, but as long as they keep their heads down nobody is going to care 5 minutes from now. A new arsehole, Labour or Tory, will emerge soon enough and we all get our fun with that and then move on, the parties don't really get effected (No matter how many times the usual crowd go 'See, O'mara is proof labour is full of sexist pigs', 'allegations about tory minister x's misconduct is proof the tories are all sleazy')
I'm generally sceptical though of the view specific policies or views 'reinforce' public attitudes. I think there's too many factors that go into which parties we back, and a lot of it is about background and who we think we are 'supposed' to vote for, and we justify liking or disliking a policy based on who proposes it. I'm even more confident in stating people will claim to back/reject a policy and then change their tune depending on who proposes it. We've seen it happen both ways. Even if UC were a policy without fault some people would still say the Tories are nasty and hate the poor, and Labour could increase military funding four times over and some people would say they were the unpatriotic ones.
It's mostly just tribalism, with specific policy figleafs, at least for the people who set the narratives on both sides.0 -
Red shoes, radiohead t-shirts and medallions are the biggest no noes currently, I'm told.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/925680392069369856The_Apocalypse said:So yet more evidence that the Telegraph has gone all Daily Mail then.
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Scott_P said:
@politicoalex: BREAKING: RNC withdraws support for Roy Moore. Story tk...
Quiet evening then.AndyJS said:Possible coup underway in Zimbabwe, according to BBC Newsnight.
On the first, I find the extent to which american politicians can so openly oppose people purportedly in the same party quite striking. I know railing against the Establishment is a big thing, but sometimes they really do seem barely keeping it together.
On the second, it was incredible to read the army chief earlier in the week.0 -
No thin ties.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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That's brilliant.Danny565 said:
https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/925680392069369856The_Apocalypse said:So yet more evidence that the Telegraph has gone all Daily Mail then.
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Well obviously.TheScreamingEagles said:
No thin ties.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. The reason we are having such pain leaving the EU is because the legal articles that prescribe departure are enshrined, for the first time, in the Lisbon Treaty, in A50. Indeed the infamous Article 50, which defines departure, was written by a British civil servant, who self-confessedly wrote the article in such a way that "departure would be so painful, no country would ever quit".TOPPING said:
2. is the only unambiguously accurate one.HYUFD said:
People voted LeaveTOPPING said:
It trulymph Hurdle next year.HYUFD said:
It is not Gted for.TOPPING said:
Special treatment for City workers.TheScreamingEagles said:Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337
That e.
1 'To ecom/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
Typical Leave fuckwits.
In other words, when we signed up to Lisbon, we agreed to be voluntarily shackled by leg chains so enormous the breaking of them might shatter our limbs, even as we were apparently free and "emancipated".
Did we get a vote on this enormous handover of sovereignty? Nope.
No. No. No. No we didn't. Even worse, EVEN WORSE, the reason we never got a vote on it was because the Lisbon Treaty was originally the EU Constitution (hence Article 50 on how to leave it). But this was rejected by TWO founder member countries of the EU, France and Holland, so the EU then decided to subvert and ignore and reject vile democracy by simply renaming the Constitution a Treaty, and then ramming it through the parliaments of member states, and avoiding the EXPRESSED will of the people, in France and Holland, and the implicit will of the people, in the UK.
It was grotesque to a point beyond satire. The EU Constitution made Zimbabwean elections look sound and proper.
Let us NEVER EVER forget this. The EU might be a nice affluent economic trading bloc, but it is a total democratic fraud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.0 -
On that specific point, it does seem to have had some cut through. Interesting to hear about the social attitudes survey shift.The_Apocalypse said:
I was referring to it reinforcing their image as the nasty party less in relation to the public as a whole and more to Corbyn’s coalition of voters. Thus my reference to it keeping his coalition of voters together. On the public in general, the recent Social Attitudes Survey did show a significant shift away from the ‘be harsh on benefit claimants’ view. It’s not just the UC implementation which is the issue - the policy of making people wait 6 weeks as noted earlier in the thread, and which prompted my comment is a big reason why many have an issue with the UC.kle4 said:
My recollection is that public polling generally suggests the public are in favour of quite harsh rules when it comes to benefits, harsher than the government proposes? If that is the case I don't see how it particularly adds to the Tories image as the nasty party except from those who already have that view. Poor implementation of course will lead to criticism, but problems with implementation do not make a policy nasty in itself, particularly when almost all big policies will have problems, or some people will fail to be helped by it, and even some hurt by it.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
O'Mara and Coad are clear examples of where local MPs are probably arseholes, in their own way, but as long as they keep their heads down nobody is going to care 5 minutes from now. A new arsehole, Labour or Tory, will emerge soon enough and we all get our fun with that and then move on, the parties don't really get effected (No matter how many times the usual crowd go 'See, O'mara is proof labour is full of sexist pigs', 'allegations about tory minister x's misconduct is proof the tories are all sleazy')
I'm generally sceptical though of the view specific policies or views 'reinforce' public attitudes. I think there's too many factors that go into which parties we back, and a lot of it is about background and who we think weir tune depending on who proposes it. We've seen it happen both ways. Even if UC were a policy without fault some people would still say the Tories are nasty and hate the poor, and Labour could increase military funding four times over and some people would say they were the unpatriotic ones.
It's mostly just tribalism, with specific policy figleafs, at least for the people who set the narratives on both sides.0 -
Yes!TheScreamingEagles said:
No thin ties.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
Or those ridiculous extreme cutaway collars.0 -
1. Women should not wear patent shoes during day-time. And never ever with thick opaque tights.
2. Those ballet flat shoes look ridiculous, especially in winter under heavy coats, as if people have gone out in their slippers.
3. Why oh why do people wear black coats in winter? Dull, unflattering and gloomy. Colour is glorious and people should not be afraid to use it.
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I see The Tele have a new bunch of "Saboteurs" on their front page?
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Nope, nope and god no. Just the shirts so far.Mortimer said:
Red shoes, radiohead t-shirts and medallions are the biggest no noes currently, I'm told.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live0 -
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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I am sure he knew he'd be unpopular in some quarters... but maybe we have passed the 'inauthenticity' nadir - the future could be politicians who actually believe in something!DavidL said:
He just can't be that naïve. Not if he wants to get anywhere in politics anyway.Benpointer said:
He may have just been voting for what he believed was best for the country of course.DavidL said:
He's made a big mistake today. Another one in the huff about lack of promotion?TheScreamingEagles said:Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
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It is a serious mistake by TM and she will lose if she does not change it.kle4 said:I have to say, my biggest concern with the amendment on the Brexit date thing is that the hardliners are still so paranoid they feel it is necessary.
I am not happy with her over this and am becoming concerned0 -
Agreed: Radiohead T-Shirts are worn by people who don't really like Radiohead, but want people to believe they like Radiohead.Mortimer said:
Red shoes, radiohead t-shirts and medallions are the biggest no noes currently, I'm told.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
Poor bastards.
They need to spend more time listening to fantastic tracks like... ooohhh... this one:
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Ask Malcolm Turnbullkle4 said:
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live0 -
Do Crockett & Jones do a line in grey slip-ons with velcro fastening?SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
*holds up hand*People in general, or just women? Asking for a friend who only has a black coat. Who is me.Cyclefree said:
3. Why oh why do people wear black coats in winter? Dull, unflattering and gloomy. Colour is glorious and people should not be afraid to use it.
Granted, with the black hat, when I wear gloves it does kind of make me look like I am cosplaying as that sidekick Nazi from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Among my age group online problematic is basically a condemnation. But it’s PB and the audience is older so next time I won’t use that word again in order to avoid confusion.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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The red armband is optional these dayskle4 said:
*holds up hand*People in general, or just women? Asking for a friend who only has a black coat. Who is me.Cyclefree said:
3. Why oh why do people wear black coats in winter? Dull, unflattering and gloomy. Colour is glorious and people should not be afraid to use it.
Granted, with the black hat, when I wear gloves it does kind of make me look like I am cosplaying as that sidekick Nazi from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Brexiters coming out with choice phrases like 'whatever the pain' pretty much sums up where they, and we, are right now.TOPPING said:
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. The reason we are having such pain leaving the EU is because the legal articles that prescribe departure are enshrined, for the first time, in the Lisbon Treaty, in A50. Indeed the infamous Article 50, which defines departure, was written by a British civil servant, who self-confessedly wrote the article in such a way that "departure would be so painful, no country would ever quit".TOPPING said:
In other words, when we signed up to Lisbon, we agreed to be voluntarily shackled by leg chains so enormous the breaking of them might shatter our limbs, even as we were apparently free and "emancipated".
Did we get a vote on this enormous handover of sovereignty? Nope.
No. No. No. No we didn't. Even worse, EVEN WORSE, the reason we never got a vote on it was because the Lisbon Treaty was originally the EU Constitution (hence Article 50 on how to leave it). But this was rejected by TWO founder member countries of the EU, France and Holland, so the EU then decided to subvert and ignore and reject vile democracy by simply renaming the Constitution a Treaty, and then ramming it through the parliaments of member states, and avoiding the EXPRESSED will of the people, in France and Holland, and the implicit will of the people, in the UK.
It was grotesque to a point beyond satire. The EU Constitution made Zimbabwean elections look sound and proper.
Let us NEVER EVER forget this. The EU might be a nice affluent economic trading bloc, but it is a total democratic fraud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.0 -
I'm not one to jump to the defence of others if they can defend themselves, and I've had more than a few disputes with Theapocalypse based on mutual misunderstanding, but she did say that significant numbers might agree or be indifferent to Coad is an alarming thought, which is pretty clearly condemnatory I would have thought, else people not caring or agreeing would not be alarming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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You do realise his site is totally right-wing biased? You're never going to see the full picture, only dirt that supports his (rather extreme) right-wing political views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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Good question. If you look at photos of people in the late 80s/early 90s, a lot of them are wearing colourful coats in winter. Now it's mostly black or grey.Cyclefree said:1. Women should not wear patent shoes during day-time. And never ever with thick opaque tights.
2. Those ballet flat shoes look ridiculous, especially in winter under heavy coats, as if people have gone out in their slippers.
3. Why oh why do people wear black coats in winter? Dull, unflattering and gloomy. Colour is glorious and people should not be afraid to use it.0 -
A well cut suit is essential, especially as one gets older.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage
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LOLDanny565 said:
https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/925680392069369856The_Apocalypse said:So yet more evidence that the Telegraph has gone all Daily Mail then.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that article made a reference to cultural Marxism.0 -
61% Yes in Oz!0
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Worth noting SeanT is someone who is unhappy about the level of pain as stated earlier this evening, and was open to a far less hard Brexit right from the start - this rather illustrates my point about it not even being Hard brexiters being most effective at persuading people not to give in to too much Bregret.IanB2 said:
Brexiters coming out with choice phrases like 'whatever the pain' pretty much sums up where they, and we, are right now.TOPPING said:
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. The reason we are having such pain leaving the EU is because the legal articles that prescribe departure are enshrined, for the first time, in the Lisbon Treaty, in A50. Indeed the infamous Article 50, which defines departure, was written by a British civil servant, who self-confessedly wrote the article in such a way that "departure would be so painful, no country would ever quit".TOPPING said:
In other words, when we signed up to Lisbon, we agreed to be voluntarily shackled by leg chains so enormous the breaking of them might shatter our limbs, even as we were apparently free and "emancipated".
Did we get a vote on this enormous handover of sovereignty? Nope.
No. No. No. No we didn't. Even worse, EVEN WORSE, the reason we never got a vote on it was because the Lismaggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.0 -
They have voted harm on their country but, displaying their economic mastery, will tell you that it's fine because in the long run all will be well.IanB2 said:
Brexiters coming out with choice phrases like 'whatever the pain' pretty much sums up where they, and we, are right now.TOPPING said:
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. The reason we are having such pain leaving the EU is because the legal articleervant, onfessedly wrote the article in such a way that "departure would be so painful, no country would ever quit".TOPPING said:
In other words, when we signed up to Lisbon, we agreed to be voluntarily shackled by leg chains so enormous the breaking of them might shatter our limbs, even as we were apparently free and "emancipated".
Did we get a vote on this enormous handover of sovereignty? Nope.
No. No. No. No we didn't. Even worse, EVEN WORSE, the reason we never got a vote on it was because the Lisbon Treaty was originally the EU Constitution (hence Article 50 on how to leave it). But this was rejected by TWO founder member countries of the EU, France and Holland, so the EU then decided to subvert and ignore and reject vile democracy by simply renaming the Constitution a Treaty, and then ramming it through the parliaments of member states, and avoiding the EXPRESSED will of the people, in France and Holland, and the implicit will of the people, in the UK.
It was grotesque to a point beyond satire. The EU Constitution made Zimbabwean elections look sound and proper.
Let us NEVER EVER forget this. The EU might be a nice affluent economic trading bloc, but it is a total democratic fraud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
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Fair play - it is just the catalogue on Guido about her attitudes are not acceptable today, and I am no snowflakeThe_Apocalypse said:
Among my age group online problematic is basically a condemnation. But it’s PB and the audience is older so next time I won’t use that word again in order to avoid confusion.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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You mean, "Ask former Goldman Sachs executive Malcolm Turnbull"HYUFD said:
Ask Malcolm Turnbullkle4 said:
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live0 -
Easy to get in and out off I'd imagine..SeanT said:
My Dad has been wearing exactly those shoes since his early 50s. He's now on his fourth wife, aged 43, and he's 82. So you CAN get away with it, kinda.Theuniondivvie said:
Do Crockett & Jones do a line in grey slip-ons with velcro fastening?SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
You’ve defended me a number of times recently, so thanks for that!kle4 said:
I'm not one to jump to the defence of others if they can defend themselves, and I've had more than a few disputes with Theapocalypse based on mutual misunderstanding, but she did say that significant numbers might agree or be indifferent to Coad is an alarming thought, which is pretty clearly condemnatory I would have thought, else people not caring or agreeing would not be alarming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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I do spend some money on my suits. It makes some of my clients think they are getting value for money.Cyclefree said:
A well cut suit is essential, especially as one gets older.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Well I've also insulted you a few times, so there's a karmic balance to be struck!The_Apocalypse said:
You’ve defended me a number of times recently, so thanks for that!kle4 said:
I'm not one to jump to the defence of others if they can defend themselves, and I've had more than a few disputes with Theapocalypse based on mutual misunderstanding, but she did say that significant numbers might agree or be indifferent to Coad is an alarming thought, which is pretty clearly condemnatory I would have thought, else people not caring or agreeing would not be alarming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live
Almost identical result to Ireland.
Turnout even higher.0 -
Of course I do Ben but his evidence is damningBenpointer said:
You do realise his site is totally right-wing biased? You're never going to see the full picture, only dirt that supports his (rather extreme) right-wing political views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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So, your dad's wife is a decade younger than you...SeanT said:
My Dad has been wearing exactly those shoes since his early 50s. He's now on his fourth wife, aged 43, and he's 82. So you CAN get away with it, kinda.Theuniondivvie said:
Do Crockett & Jones do a line in grey slip-ons with velcro fastening?SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.0 -
Yes, good it was a clear turnout. Close to the Irish result in the end where 62% voted Yes, despite some late jitters from Yes supporters. Only Italy therefore of western nations will not have gay marriage if Australia's Parliament follows through on this referendum.RobD said:
Big turnout!HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage0 -
I think you mean, "Ask BNC alumnus and former GS executive Malcolm Turnbull"rcs1000 said:
You mean, "Ask former Goldman Sachs executive Malcolm Turnbull"HYUFD said:
Ask Malcolm Turnbullkle4 said:
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live0 -
Not one for spending much on clothes generally, but I did pick up a few pretty decent (for my spending level) suits a year ago, and I must say people really do seem to pick up on a certain level of smartness. Worth going beyond the most basic, I reckon.DavidL said:
I do spend some money on my suits. It makes some of my clients think they are getting value for money.Cyclefree said:
A well cut suit is essential, especially as one gets older.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
It's weird, as many have noted, what we are happy to pay a lot for and what we are not can be highly variable, with little consistency. For some reason I cannot abide spending a lot for a car for instance.0 -
I am wearing a shortsleeve shirt and thin knitted tie. I always wear short sleeves because of my job. The thin tie is my choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
No thin ties.DavidL said:
Any other sartorial no no's before I clean out my wardrobe?Cyclefree said:
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.SeanT said:I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
On the other hand I never wear black (apart from black tie). Charcoal and Navy blue wear a lot better.0 -
IDS?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.ydoethur said:
Why? What's he done to upset you so much?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.Ishmael_Z said:
"Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?Scott_P said:However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.
Gold star for effort though
And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.0 -
And NIHYUFD said:
Yes, good it was a clear turnout. Close to the Irish result in the end where 62% voted Yes, despite some late jitters from Yes supporters. Only Italy therefore of western nations will not have gay marriage if Australia's Parliament follows through on this referendum.RobD said:
Big turnout!HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage
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And NI?HYUFD said:
Yes, good it was a clear turnout. Close to the Irish result in the end where 62% voted Yes, despite some late jitters from Yes supporters. Only Italy therefore of western nations will not have gay marriage if Australia's Parliament follows through on this referendum.RobD said:
Big turnout!HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage
Edit Damn you, Rob.0 -
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.SeanT said:
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.TOPPING said:
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.TOPPING said:
2. is the only unambiguously accurate one.HYUFD said:
People voted LeaveTOPPING said:
It trulymph Hurdle next year.HYUFD said:
It is not Gted for.TOPPING said:
Special treatment for City workers.TheScreamingEagles said:Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337
That e.
1 'To ecom/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
Typical Leave fuckwits.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/72965/what-is-article-50-of-the-lisbon-treaty-and-will-it-be-delayed-by-the-house-of-lords
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And fair comment by KLE 4The_Apocalypse said:
You’ve defended me a number of times recently, so thanks for that!kle4 said:
I'm not one to jump to the defence of others if they can defend themselves, and I've had more than a few disputes with Theapocalypse based on mutual misunderstanding, but she did say that significant numbers might agree or be indifferent to Coad is an alarming thought, which is pretty clearly condemnatory I would have thought, else people not caring or agreeing would not be alarming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Problematic is not a condemnation. You may not like Guido but he has unearthed things that are just completely out of order. If you do not believe me check his siteThe_Apocalypse said:
Huh? Don’t see how calling her comments problematic is excusing her. It’s a criticism of her comments.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Coad's were no problematic comments nor actions - you should not attempt to excuse herThe_Apocalypse said:
I think the public needs to care about bad behaviour from MPs more generally, and that includes Coad. But I think many of these problematic comments don’t register with large numbers of voters. Most likely because a significant number of voters are either indifferent or in fact agree with said problematic statements. Which is an alarming thought.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.The_Apocalypse said:The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
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He probably never imagined that fuckwits like you would ever have been given the vote.SeanT said:
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.TOPPING said:
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.SeanT said:
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.TOPPING said:
2. is the only unambiguously accurate one.HYUFD said:
People voted LeaveTOPPING said:
It trulymph Hurdle next year.HYUFD said:
It is not Gted for.TOPPING said:
Special treatment for City workers.TheScreamingEagles said:Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337
That e.
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Typical Leave fuckwits.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/72965/what-is-article-50-of-the-lisbon-treaty-and-will-it-be-delayed-by-the-house-of-lords
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Note that the 15 pictured on front of the Telegraph did not all rebel on Brexit vote today.
On the main vote on Clause 1, only 9 abstained.
Haven't been right down the list but, eg, Heidi Allen voted with the Govt.0 -
Our telepathic link remains strong.kle4 said:
And NI?HYUFD said:
Yes, good it was a clear turnout. Close to the Irish result in the end where 62% voted Yes, despite some late jitters from Yes supporters. Only Italy therefore of western nations will not have gay marriage if Australia's Parliament follows through on this referendum.RobD said:
Big turnout!HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage
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Or "Ask scourge of the British government, BNC alumnus and former GS executive Malcolm Turnbull"Mortimer said:
I think you mean, "Ask BNC alumnus and former GS executive Malcolm Turnbull"rcs1000 said:
You mean, "Ask former Goldman Sachs executive Malcolm Turnbull"HYUFD said:
Ask Malcolm Turnbullkle4 said:
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live
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Actually Austria too on reflectionRobD said:
And NIHYUFD said:
Yes, good it was a clear turnout. Close to the Irish result in the end where 62% voted Yes, despite some late jitters from Yes supporters. Only Italy therefore of western nations will not have gay marriage if Australia's Parliament follows through on this referendum.RobD said:
Big turnout!HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
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There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:Scott_P said:
Doesn't play in my browser.rcs1000 said:Agreed: Radiohead T-Shirts are worn by people who don't really like Radiohead, but want people to believe they like Radiohead.
Poor bastards.
They need to spend more time listening to fantastic tracks like... ooohhh... this one:
RESULT!
People who haven't heard them
and
People who don't really like music
Which are you?0 -
The returning officer said every state voted Yes but as with Ireland I would imagine rural areas were more prone to NoAndyJS said:
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
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> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.AndyJS said:
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.HYUFD said:Gay marriage result now on Sky news
79% turnout
Yes 7 817 247 61.6%
No 4 873 987 38.4%
Australia therefore votes for gay marriage
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Chapeau. I didn't realise he was involved in the Spycatcher trial.rcs1000 said:
Or "Ask scourge of the British government, BNC alumnus and former GS executive Malcolm Turnbull"Mortimer said:
I think you mean, "Ask BNC alumnus and former GS executive Malcolm Turnbull"rcs1000 said:
You mean, "Ask former Goldman Sachs executive Malcolm Turnbull"HYUFD said:
Ask Malcolm Turnbullkle4 said:
Why didn't they just in the parliament, or make it a referendum whose outcome was to be binding, again? Seems an odd way of going about this issue.HYUFD said:In 10 minutes the Australian Bureau of Statistics will reveal the results of Australia's gay marriage referendum postal ballot, a high turnout of around 80% is reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/nov/15/australias-same-sex-marriage-postal-survey-results-live
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First fake news, now fake calls? Whatever next?!TheScreamingEagles said:0
