Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.
@tnewtondunn: Brexit Minister and prominent Leave campaigner Steve Baker attacks Telegraph’s ‘mutineers’ p1 - knows how much damage it does his cause. twitter.com/stevebakerhw/s…
In my old life, I spent a lot of time in Australia, hanging out with finance types. Malcolm Turnbull was held in pretty high regard, even by those who had no time for his politics.
@tnewtondunn: Brexit Minister and prominent Leave campaigner Steve Baker attacks Telegraph’s ‘mutineers’ p1 - knows how much damage it does his cause. twitter.com/stevebakerhw/s…
Agree with Baker - the Telegraph has just emboldened them
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
The Greek economy is growing faster than ours.
I would hope so given how far it fell, it has a lot of making up to do.
I've just realised (belatedly, at 54) that I am too old to wear short sleeved summer shirts. At least in any dignified way
Eeeek. Painful.
Have any other PB-ers encountered similar?
I think women must go through the same ugly epiphany, perhaps more fiercely, with regards to short skirts and long hair. There's an age when a woman just can't wear hair long, anymore.
No adult man should ever wear short-sleeved shirts. Not unless he wants to look like an airline steward.
What if it's hot?
As mentioned previously, wear a long sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up to below the elbow.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
The Greek economy is growing faster than ours.
After losing 30% of GDP, that doesn't mean a great deal.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters itwever large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
The Greek economy is growing faster than ours.
I would hope so given how far it fell, it has a lot of making up to do.
Rebalances are usually painful and yet the irony is that many Leavers voted that way precisely to bring about a sharp rebalance in the UK economy.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
The Greek economy is growing faster than ours.
After losing 30% of GDP, that doesn't mean a great deal.
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.
> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.
The outback is just there for films.
I remember reading - somewhere - that 95% of aussies live within 50 miles of the coast, and this in a country the size of China or the USA, a continent unto itself.
Last year I visited the Gippsland Lake system, in Victoria (which is rather lovely, and the seafood is fantastic). It is one of the largest freshwater river-lake systems in the world, certainly in the top 5 (depends how you define it)
The guys there told me that people in Victoria i.e their own state capital of Melbourne, had never heard of the Gippsland Lakes, so they had totally and utterly abandoned the idea of ever attracting foreigners.
Australia is on a scale we don't quite conceive. It *feels* bigger than anywhere else, because so deserted
Australia is the 3rd least densely populated nation on earth, beaten only by Namibia and Mongolia. It is no surprise it is the most popular place for Brits to emigrate too, especially when you add in the better weather and similar culture and language and the high standard of living. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
It's quite a triumph for the Telegraph to be simultaneously so tone-deaf as to how to persuade, and so pig-ignorant of the basics of their trade in using all those lovely photos.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
From the 2018 Hall of Fame list, I think there are at least 3 others with a better claim to longevity
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is reput there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.
> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.
The outback is just there for films.
I remember reading - somewhere - that 95% of aussies live within 50 miles of the coast, and this in a country the size of China or the USA, a continent unto itself.
Last year I visited the Gippsland Lake system, in Victoria (which is rather lovely, and the seafood is fantastic). It is one of the largest freshwater river-lake systems in the world, certainly in the top 5 (depends how you define it)
The guys there told me that people in Victoria i.e their own state capital of Melbourne, had never heard of the Gippsland Lakes, so they had totally and utterly abandoned the idea of ever attracting foreigners.
Australia is on a scale we don't quite conceive. It *feels* bigger than anywhere else, because so deserted
Population density of Western Australia 2.6 /sq mi Population density of England 1,089.1/sq mi
I have no way of properly comprehending how empty the former is, and I have been there (but only to the wider Perth area), it's incredible.
When I arrived in Sydney last year, the first thing the driver of the bus I was on said was: "Nothing ever happens here". I was bit surprised since it's the biggest city in Australia by some distance.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
After his massive payoff from the EU Parliament,Farage is clearly planning to diversify his brand to encompass a synthesis of Trump and Putin as an inter-locutor for both.Like Johnson and HIGNIFY,Farage may well be dredging too low even for QT.
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
FPT - I'm not the Government but I've tried in the past to engage with Remainers on how to best shape and inform the Brexit result. Because I was genuinely interested in what they had to say, and, funny as it sounds, I do actually care.
Some have given me snippets, but, too often, I've had to wade through pompous, and patronising, posts laced with thinly-veiled insults - to which I've found it difficult not to react to - and others have made it clear that I have the Mark of Cain upon me for voting for Leave in the first place last year.
So, I've largely given up.
When I asked people on many occasions on several forums what practical benefits were likely to come from Brexit, you were the only person to seriously answer that question. You do engage and kudos for it.
What I want from Brexit? Given it is happening I want it to be a success. I don't mean sunlit uplands. That's nonsense. I want something that is broadly as good as before. I am not setting this up for failure, but equally I don't accept failure passed off as success, where whole industries disappear, where people stop investing in the UK, people don't want to come to work here any more. Nor do I accept deflection of blame onto the EU or Remain voters. If Brexit Britain isn't as broadly good as EU Britain, it's time to think to think again about membership on grounds of non-delivery. I think that's reasonable.
The problem is that I don't think the chances of success are particularly high, nor do I think Leavers (in particular because it's their project) are approaching things in a way that would maximise their possibly slim chances of success. It's an Iraq War situation.
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.
> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.
The outback is just there for films.
I remember reading - somewhere - that 95% of aussies live within 50 miles of the coast, and this in a country the size of China or the USA, a continent unto itself.
Last year I visited the Gippsland Lake system, in Victoria (which is rather lovely, and the seafood is fantastic). It is one of the largest freshwater river-lake systems in the world, certainly in the top 5 (depends how you define it)
The guys there told me that people in Victoria i.e their own state capital of Melbourne, had never heard of the Gippsland Lakes, so they had totally and utterly abandoned the idea of ever attracting foreigners.
Australia is on a scale we don't quite conceive. It *feels* bigger than anywhere else, because so deserted
Australia is the 3rd least densely populated nation on earth, beaten only by Namibia and Mongolia. It is no surprise it is the most popular place for Brits to emigrate too, especially when you add in the better weather and similar culture and language and the high standard of living. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
Wow, I knew about Mongolia (you forget how big it really is, let alone how there is not much population), but Namibia I had no idea, particularly with the large population of South Africa next door.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
From the 2018 Hall of Fame list, I think there are at least 3 others with a better claim to longevity
Come on Mr P, nail your colours to the mast and post some links so I can enjoy them too.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is repulsive and at its heart there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
Fuck off. ud, a gigantic piece of mendacious shit, enacted directly against the voters it purports to represent. It is a turd of a project. It is reput there is a fat beating lie. It is a maggot of a thing, however large. And no one votes for its fucking so called parliament.
THAT is why we left. We are Englishmen. We are the inheritors of Alfred, Cromwell, the Levellers, Shakespeare and Churchill. We can do better than this shit. We are better than this shit. We are better than this odious fake democracy, we ARE a democracy.
And THAT is why we left. And why we were RIGHT to leave, whatever the pain.
Always sovereign. Just didn't seem like it. Moreso (less so) I imagine if you were off your face most of the time.
Always sovereign. Yup. Thats why the writer of Article 50 made it so painful and biassed it was designed never to be used, like an exit door that actually doesn't open without chopping your head off.
"Lord Kerr says he never envisaged the UK would make use of Article 50: "I thought the circumstances in which it would be used, if ever, would be when there was a coup in a member state and the EU suspended that country's membership.""
You’re not supposed to leave the EU. Once you are in, that’s it. Thank God the UK never joined the Euro. Unraveling that would have been a nightmare.
Those in the Euro are trapped unless there is a total collapse. Look at the agony Greece went through given the lack of alternatives once you have given up your currency. Its why those thinking Eire may join us are deluded.
So sue Business Insider September issue for telling me it was.
Even Farage could get that right. Avoid litigation for anything frivolous. I suspect they were referring to its 0.5% in the last quarter as opposed to our 0.4%. As if that meant anything.
After his massive payoff from the EU Parliament,Farage is clearly planning to diversify his brand to encompass a synthesis of Trump and Putin as an inter-locutor for both.Like Johnson and HIGNIFY,Farage may well be dredging too low even for QT.
I have to admit, part of me is a little disappointed either Farage or Salmond isn't going on 'I'm A Celebrity' this year.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
There is a complicated matrix which is helpful in this matter and, perhaps unsurprisingly, it turns out that Emma Thompson features prominently on it.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
Johnny Marr's guitar will be remembered long after Morrissey is forgotten. Plus Dylan is still around.
I really like black, or navy coats. Not fan of brightly coloured coats at all.
Also, Hawaiian Pizza has always sounded disgusting to me.
Glad to see Australia endorsing same-sex marriage.
@Big_G_NorthWales I don’t know everything Coad’s alleged to have done/said overall but from twitter and on here I’ve long known that she’s....well she doesn’t come across as the nicest person, put it that way.
"But he questioned the way the Prime Minister had chosen her top team, suggesting she had not embraced newer MPs."
I wonder who he's thinking of? It's a general problem of minority governments - they have few opportunities for promotion, because the old big beasts can't be given reason to be offended.
In my old life, I spent a lot of time in Australia, hanging out with finance types. Malcolm Turnbull was held in pretty high regard, even by those who had no time for his politics.
Ta! I'll pick a copy up.
Many moons ago, in the first bookshop I worked in, we could always sell Spycatcher. Not sure I am recall anyone actually mentioning enjoying reading it, mind!
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
Johnny Marr's guitar will be remembered long after Morrissey is forgotten. Plus Dylan is still around.
I really like black, or navy coats. Not fan of brightly coloured coats at all.
Also, Hawaiian Pizza has always sounded disgusting to me.
Glad to see Australia endorsing same-sex marriage.
@Big_G_NorthWales I don’t know everything Coad’s alleged to have done/said overall but from twitter and on here I’ve long known that she’s....well she doesn’t come across as the nicest person, put it that way.
@SkyNewsBreak: MPs have voted 316 to 295 against an amendment to the Government's European Union Withdrawal Bill which proposed the UK should stay in the single market and the customs union during the Brexit transition period
@SkyNewsBreak: MPs have voted 316 to 295 against an amendment to the Government's European Union Withdrawal Bill which proposed the UK should stay in the single market and the customs union during the Brexit transition period
That seems quite important but not sure in the overall context
Dire Straits is pretty good and I went through a phase of listening to Brothers in Arms on repeat about six months ago. (And, indeed, will put it on again now.)
Rage Against the Machine: first album was staggeringly good. I still regularly listen to it. But the rest. Meh.
Bon Jovi and Kate Bush are merely OK imho.
Eurythmics had some fabulous tunes, but I prefer Garbage.
Well our bestselling author's posts have become boring and goodness knows us old 'uns need our beauty sleep so it's time to put Radiohead on loop and it's off to bed for me.
@SkyNewsBreak: MPs have voted 316 to 295 against an amendment to the Government's European Union Withdrawal Bill which proposed the UK should stay in the single market and the customs union during the Brexit transition period
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.
> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.
The outback is just there for films.
I remember reading - somewhere - that 95% of aussies live within 50 miles of the coast, and this in a country the size of China or the USA, a continent unto itself.
Last year I visited the Gippsland Lake system, in Victoria (which is rather lovely, and the seafood is fantastic). It is one of the largest freshwater river-lake systems in the world, certainly in the top 5 (depends how you define it)
The guys there told me that people in Victoria i.e their own state capital of Melbourne, had never heard of the Gippsland Lakes, so they had totally and utterly abandoned the idea of ever attracting foreigners.
Australia is on a scale we don't quite conceive. It *feels* bigger than anywhere else, because so deserted
Australia is the 3rd least densely populated nation on earth, beaten only by Namibia and Mongolia. It is no surprise it is the most popular place for Brits to emigrate too, especially when you add in the better weather and similar culture and language and the high standard of living. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
Wow, I knew about Mongolia (you forget how big it really is, let alone how there is not much population), but Namibia I had no idea, particularly with the large population of South Africa next door.
South Africa population 55.4 million, Namibia population 2.4 million.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
Johnny Marr's guitar will be remembered long after Morrissey is forgotten. Plus Dylan is still around.
Dylan's not really from the last 20 years.
But he is. I know this may be unfashionable, and he has disappeared from the Zeitgeist, but he hasn't stopped recording or touring. Therefore he is from the last 20 years. And some of his best, if unnoticed stuff has been done then. Smiths and Joy Division aren't from last 20 years either.
@edwardcropley: BREAKING - #Zimbabwe soldiers take over state broadcaster ZBC, staff tell @Reuters. It's looking more and more as though Mugabe may be gone
@BBCJLandale: More uncertainty in #zimbabwe. I am told Harare residents are reporting hearing four loud explosions
To come back to Radiohead, here's why they are different.
There are lots of bands that have one good, even one outstanding, album. But the number of bands or artists that have managed to consistently produce brilliant music over 25 years is incredibly small.
@edwardcropley: BREAKING - #Zimbabwe soldiers take over state broadcaster ZBC, staff tell @Reuters. It's looking more and more as though Mugabe may be gone
@BBCJLandale: More uncertainty in #zimbabwe. I am told Harare residents are reporting hearing four loud explosions
Any comment from the freelance foreign secretary, Nicholas Soames?
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
Interesting. Are there any Antonio Salieris of rock - i.e. critically acclaimed in their day but now hardly listed to at all? Emerson, Lake and Palmer?
@SkyNewsBreak: MPs have voted 316 to 295 against an amendment to the Government's European Union Withdrawal Bill which proposed the UK should stay in the single market and the customs union during the Brexit transition period
Some good whipping going on from the Govt.
Yes maybe those contentious Telegraph photos made uncomfortable viewing at least for those Tory MP's thinking about rebelling in leave voting constituencies.
I'd be interested to see a regional breakdown. I'd guess the areas outside the five big cities voted against.
> 75% of Australians live in the 5 mainland state capitals and their suburbs. Australia is the most metropolitan of countries.
The outback is just there for films.
I remember reading - somewhere - that 95% of aussies live within 50 miles of the coast, and this in a country the size of China or the USA, a continent unto itself.
Australia is on a scale we don't quite conceive. It *feels* bigger than anywhere else, because so deserted
Population density of Western Australia 2.6 /sq mi Population density of England 1,089.1/sq mi
I have no way of properly comprehending how empty the former is, and I have been there (but only to the wider Perth area), it's incredible.
A couple of years back I was luckily commissioned to do a wonderful foodie road trip from Melbourne to Sydney. The oysters were divine, the wine was just as good, I had a party from A to Z.
But, my God, the emptiness.
I know Oz pretty well but something in me had always, nonetheless, presumed the emptiest bits were the deserts, the interior, the outback - and that is true, statistically - but Australia is so empty there are vast tracts of gorgeous, habitable sunny temperate European like landscape that are simply untouched. Huge areas of Victoria and New South Wales are like that - big lovely wooded meadowy areas - zero people.
At one point I drove for two hours, about 250 km, through sunny sweet woodlands, and went through TWO small villages. Here's what I wrote:
I have a cousin who farms in NE Victoria, just off that road. Some years ago whilst visiting he took me to a hilltop on his place to watch the sunset and wildlife. Beautiful it was, but he told me that all the land that you could see was for sale. No one could make a decent living farming it.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
If Radiohead is on that list and Joy Division is not then you have very serious issues.
Joy Division, happy to add them
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
Johnny Marr's guitar will be remembered long after Morrissey is forgotten. Plus Dylan is still around.
Dylan's not really from the last 20 years.
But he is. I know this may be unfashionable, and he has disappeared from the Zeitgeist, but he hasn't stopped recording or touring. Therefore he is from the last 20 years. And some of his best, if unnoticed stuff has been done then. Smiths and Joy Division aren't from last 20 years either.
That's the funny bit about The Smiths. Their music (little of it as there is) sounds like it could have been made last year.
Here's Radiohead covering The Smiths (brilliantly imho):
@edwardcropley: BREAKING - #Zimbabwe soldiers take over state broadcaster ZBC, staff tell @Reuters. It's looking more and more as though Mugabe may be gone
@BBCJLandale: More uncertainty in #zimbabwe. I am told Harare residents are reporting hearing four loud explosions
If it were to end for him, who'd have thought it would be now of all times? But as I head to bed, I expect to wake up with him in place.
To come back to Radiohead, here's why they are different.
There are lots of bands that have one good, even one outstanding, album. But the number of bands or artists that have managed to consistently produce brilliant music over 25 years is incredibly small.
There are two types of people who don't like Radiohead:
There are two types of people who claim to like Radiohead:
Pretentious asshats and Centrist dads
Which are you?
Both.
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers The National LCD Soundsystem Lady Gaga Blur R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
Interesting. Are there any Antonio Salieris of rock - i.e. critically acclaimed in their day but now hardly listed to at all? Emerson, Lake and Palmer?
@faisalislam: Four Select Committee chairs, 7 former ministers, two of the 2017 intake... if intended to intimidate this group, this may well backfire...
To come back to Radiohead, here's why they are different.
There are lots of bands that have one good, even one outstanding, album. But the number of bands or artists that have managed to consistently produce brilliant music over 25 years is incredibly small.
To come back to Radiohead, here's why they are different.
There are lots of bands that have one good, even one outstanding, album. But the number of bands or artists that have managed to consistently produce brilliant music over 25 years is incredibly small.
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As I have said it is a big mistake by TM and she must address it
I am becoming concerned that she is not acting as she should and can only hope she gets a grip before it is too late
EDIT: 17 against.
In my old life, I spent a lot of time in Australia, hanging out with finance types. Malcolm Turnbull was held in pretty high regard, even by those who had no time for his politics.
It’s a faaaaake!
ACT had the highest Yes vote with 74% Yes, NSW the highest No vote with 42% No.
https://marriagesurvey.abs.gov.au/results/
But I also believe that in fifty years time, Radiohead will be one of about a dozen bands from the last quarter century that will still get regular airtime.
And here, for your deliction, are a few others I think have longetivity:
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
The National
LCD Soundsystem
Lady Gaga
Blur
R.E.M
(For the record, I don't particularly enjoy all of the above. But I think they will all be listened to in 2067.)
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
Population density of England 1,089.1/sq mi
I have no way of properly comprehending how empty the former is, and I have been there (but only to the wider Perth area), it's incredible.
I would add The Smiths, except I despise Morrissey more than even Theresa May. And I might add U2, only I hate Bono more than Morrissey.
What I want from Brexit? Given it is happening I want it to be a success. I don't mean sunlit uplands. That's nonsense. I want something that is broadly as good as before. I am not setting this up for failure, but equally I don't accept failure passed off as success, where whole industries disappear, where people stop investing in the UK, people don't want to come to work here any more. Nor do I accept deflection of blame onto the EU or Remain voters. If Brexit Britain isn't as broadly good as EU Britain, it's time to think to think again about membership on grounds of non-delivery. I think that's reasonable.
The problem is that I don't think the chances of success are particularly high, nor do I think Leavers (in particular because it's their project) are approaching things in a way that would maximise their possibly slim chances of success. It's an Iraq War situation.
https://twitter.com/sunpolitics/status/930573591955017731
Nice wine tonight was it Sean?
They showed a picture of Bono's Lithuanian shopping centre, and the panellists noticed something very strange about it
You couldn't see the edge...
Also, Hawaiian Pizza has always sounded disgusting to me.
Glad to see Australia endorsing same-sex marriage.
@Big_G_NorthWales I don’t know everything Coad’s alleged to have done/said overall but from twitter and on here I’ve long known that she’s....well she doesn’t come across as the nicest person, put it that way.
I wonder who he's thinking of? It's a general problem of minority governments - they have few opportunities for promotion, because the old big beasts can't be given reason to be offended.
Many moons ago, in the first bookshop I worked in, we could always sell Spycatcher. Not sure I am recall anyone actually mentioning enjoying reading it, mind!
Er..it meant they grew faster than us over that period.
Dire Straits is pretty good and I went through a phase of listening to Brothers in Arms on repeat about six months ago. (And, indeed, will put it on again now.)
Rage Against the Machine: first album was staggeringly good. I still regularly listen to it. But the rest. Meh.
Bon Jovi and Kate Bush are merely OK imho.
Eurythmics had some fabulous tunes, but I prefer Garbage.
https://youtu.be/8tLvXKRYsHg
It was previously announced by the railcard people, anyway.
Bullsh*t spin from Hammond / friendly journalists.
Smiths and Joy Division aren't from last 20 years either.
@BBCJLandale: More uncertainty in #zimbabwe. I am told Harare residents are reporting hearing four loud explosions
There are lots of bands that have one good, even one outstanding, album. But the number of bands or artists that have managed to consistently produce brilliant music over 25 years is incredibly small.
Paul Simon
Radiohead
and errr...
that's about it.
Big John Duncan had an account with a company I worked for under the name "John with the green hair"
Here's Radiohead covering The Smiths (brilliantly imho):
https://youtu.be/LtmS2ePSSdU
That is all
Creedence Clearwater Revival?
Or more controversially, how about Oasis?
@faisalislam: Four Select Committee chairs, 7 former ministers, two of the 2017 intake... if intended to intimidate this group, this may well backfire...
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Sun: “Russia Hacked National Grid”
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