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Ex-UKIP leader and QuestionTime regular, Nigel Farage just lost £100k libel legal battle after calling anti racist group 'violent' https://t.co/2m5HopfWMb

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    Does anyone care?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,655
    I blame the moustache
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529
    Who?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529
    ...and the Indy might want to change that - Hate not Hate???
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,993
    I'm sure Hope not Hate are all over the Emma Dent Coad case...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,492
    Poor old Nige, even the Brexiteers have disowned him.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Hold on has he lost the legal battle or retracted the comments to avoid the action ?
    They aren't the same thing
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Pulpstar said:

    Hold on has he lost the legal battle or retracted the comments to avoid the action ?
    They aren't the same thing

    Agreed. Faced with a well funded plaintiff he has withdrawn his comments.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Will he blame the Jews and their influence for this?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    England make Brexit debates look interesting. Even the 453rd time around.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,132
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    From Gina Miller to Dominic Grieve, from Ms Soubry to Chuka Umunna, from A C Grayling all the way down to you (quite a distance, I confess), there's a cohort of Remainers who simply do not accept that we are leaving, and cannot comprehend that it is happening, and therefore will suspend democracy - literally ignore or subvert the vote - to prevent it occurring. Let us recall Ian mcEwan, the Remainer novelist par excellence, who actively wished for Leave voters to die.

    I guess you have been at the vino this evening Sean, but even you must grasp that none of the people in your list have actually stopped, averted, changed and altered Brexit in any way.

    The Brexit now being delivered, that you voted for, is driven by the Brexiteers.
    Brexiters certainly must take the lion's share of responsibility. But your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in stance or delivery of Brexit, or any other pressurizing from remainer elements has, for good or ill, is I think a question open to debate, but you do remainers a disservice by suggesting they have had no influence on the way Brexit has been attempted to be delivered.

    Remainers have had an effect. Some want to blame them for that, either for being effective or not effective enough, others will suggest any effect was negligible on the overall matters of substance. But it would be wrong to dismiss the possibility of any impact, positive or negative, on the basis that they are not in government.
    Scott_P said:

    We had the "Wah, wah, wah, it's not fair" tantrum earlier today.

    Now we have the spectacle of "It's Mummy's fault I burnt my hand, cos she told me the stove was hot, which MADE ME TOUCH IT!"

    Are Brexiteers really so ashamed of their vote any attempt at transference is worth a go?

    This right here is why I cannot take you seriously.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    Yup, given the tax revenues the banking, financial services, and insurance sectors provide, the proles and plebs will understand.

    Someone's got to pay for their tax credits.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Sensible course of action by Farage to be honest. Aside from a rare few occasions such as the Irving Vs Penguin/ Lipstadt case a libel action is simply not worth the hassle/cash to defend
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan
    Ah well, somebody has to be I suppose!

    Just as somebody has to be a member of the Conservative party...

    Have a good evening.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    Pulpstar said:

    Hold on has he lost the legal battle or retracted the comments to avoid the action ?
    They aren't the same thing

    Indeed. Of course, we can infer what he considered the likely result would be.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,946
    To Big_G_NorthWales FPT:

    Are you sure BGNW re Conservative Call Centre and Police. I know the ICO stopped at a slap on the wrist, but I can't find anything re the police stopping their investigation and it was only a few weeks ago where they confirmed they were investigating. A quick scan of the Internet doesn't come up with anything. It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't believe I missed it and I would expect it to drag on for ages.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Wow,Liverpool could have a decent Defender coming through with Joe Gomez.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,240
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    From Gina Miller to Dominic Grieve, from Ms Soubry to Chuka Umunna, from A C Grayling all the way down to you (quite a distance, I confess), there's a cohort of Remainers who simply do not accept that we are leaving, and cannot comprehend that it is happening, and therefore will suspend democracy - literally ignore or subvert the vote - to prevent it occurring. Let us recall Ian mcEwan, the Remainer novelist par excellence, who actively wished for Leave voters to die.

    I guess you have been at the vino this evening Sean, but even you must grasp that none of the people in your list have actually stopped, averted, changed and altered Brexit in any way.

    The Brexit now being delivered, that you voted for, is driven by the Brexiteers.
    Brexiters certainly must take the lion's share of responsibility. But your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in stance or delivery of Brexit, or any other pressurizing from remainer elements has, for good or ill, is I think a question open to debate, but you do remainers a disservice by suggesting they have had no influence on the way Brexit has been attempted to be delivered.

    Remainers have had an effect. Some want to blame them for that, either for being effective or not effective enough, others will suggest any effect was negligible on the overall matters of substance. But it would be wrong to dismiss the possibility of any impact, positive or negative, on the basis that they are not in government.
    Scott_P said:

    We had the "Wah, wah, wah, it's not fair" tantrum earlier today.

    Now we have the spectacle of "It's Mummy's fault I burnt my hand, cos she told me the stove was hot, which MADE ME TOUCH IT!"

    Are Brexiteers really so ashamed of their vote any attempt at transference is worth a go?

    This right here is why I cannot take you seriously.
    Most Brexiteers (including me) are pretty happy with the way that they voted.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Don't underestimate Klopp.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Wow,Liverpool could have a decent Defender coming through with Joe Gomez.
    Fingers crossed, Gomez has had two years of awful of injuries, but he looks good.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
    And belies the idea that the tories are "ruthless" with their leaders. Surely all the evidence was there in 2003 that he needed metaphorically shooting like an old, mangy, diseased and unloved dog, yet here we are in 2017 with his UC to sort out. Splendid.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Wow,Liverpool could have a decent Defender coming through with Joe Gomez.
    Fingers crossed, Gomez has had two years of awful of injuries, but he looks good.
    Good tight defending as a team to shut out both Brazil and Germany.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    edited November 2017
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    From Gina Miller to Dominic Grieve, from Ms Soubry to Chuka Umunna, from A C Grayling all the way down to you (quite a distance, I confess), there's a cohort of Remainers who simply do not accept that we are leaving, and cannot comprehend that it is happening, and therefore will suspend democracy - literally ignore or subvert the vote - to prevent it occurring. Let us recall Ian mcEwan, the Remainer novelist par excellence, who actively wished for Leave voters to die.

    I guess you have been at the vino this evening Sean, but even you must grasp that none of the people in your list have actually stopped, averted, changed and altered Brexit in any way.

    The Brexit now being delivered, that you voted for, is driven by the Brexiteers.
    Brexiters certainly must take the lion's share of responsibility. But your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in stance or delivery of Brexit, or any other pressurizing from remainer elements has, for good or ill, is I think a question open to debate, but you do remainers a disservice by suggesting they have had no influence on the way Brexit has been attempted to be delivered.

    Remainers have had an effect. Some want to blame them for that, either for being effective or not effective enough, others will suggest any effect was negligible on the overall matters of substance. But it would be wrong to dismiss the possibility of any impact, positive or negative, on the basis that they are not in government.
    Scott_P said:

    We had the "Wah, wah, wah, it's not fair" tantrum earlier today.

    Now we have the spectacle of "It's Mummy's fault I burnt my hand, cos she told me the stove was hot, which MADE ME TOUCH IT!"

    Are Brexiteers really so ashamed of their vote any attempt at transference is worth a go?

    This right here is why I cannot take you seriously.
    Most Brexiteers (including me) are pretty happy with the way that they voted.
    I have quite a bit of Bregret myself, but people like Scott are much more effective in firming up my view than hard Brexiters. It's not even about the attempts to make everything a binary set of extremes, few can hold their heads up high on resisting that, or insulting swathes of voters with silly generalisations, since there are remainers who are much more viciously insulting who nevertheless still make me think, oh dear, they are probably right.

    But Scott, I do appreciate your lack of viciousness all the same!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    Ishmael_Z said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
    And belies the idea that the tories are "ruthless" with their leaders. Surely all the evidence was there in 2003 that he needed metaphorically shooting like an old, mangy, diseased and unloved dog, yet here we are in 2017 with his UC to sort out. Splendid.
    Well, he went and reinvented himself as this caring, compassionate Conservative. And it might even have been true. But it sure as hell didn't make him competent to run anything.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    He just seems like a fundamentally nice guy, which is impressive since it is hard to make positive impressions as a manager. Sadly he doesn't seem able to resolve our many issues as a team though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Don't underestimate Klopp.
    I'm not saying he should be canned or anything, but we still routinely dominate possession without taking our chances, and even 2 goal leads rarely feel like enough given our defensive frailty. Basically where we were when he took over, in short.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    He just seems like a fundamentally nice guy, which is impressive since it is hard to make positive impressions as a manager. Sadly he doesn't seem able to resolve our many issues as a team though.
    It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with the £120m you were being offered for Coutinho. Turning that down was crazy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Don't underestimate Klopp.
    I'm not saying he should be canned or anything, but we still routinely dominate possession without taking our chances, and even 2 goal leads rarely feel like enough given our defensive frailty. Basically where we were when he took over, in short.
    I remember the turgid football of 2015 under Rodgers.

    This is different, if you look at his evolution of Dortmund, this is how he did it there.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    kjh said:

    To Big_G_NorthWales FPT:

    Are you sure BGNW re Conservative Call Centre and Police. I know the ICO stopped at a slap on the wrist, but I can't find anything re the police stopping their investigation and it was only a few weeks ago where they confirmed they were investigating. A quick scan of the Internet doesn't come up with anything. It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't believe I missed it and I would expect it to drag on for ages.

    As far as I am aware they received a 'yellow card' as it was not considered a serious breach and no further action to follow.

    I think here in Wales Carwyn Jones and toxic Welsh labour is the story playing out nightly on the Wales ITV
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    Who is the Mourinho of British politics?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    He just seems like a fundamentally nice guy, which is impressive since it is hard to make positive impressions as a manager. Sadly he doesn't seem able to resolve our many issues as a team though.
    It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with the £120m you were being offered for Coutinho. Turning that down was crazy.
    Turning down the first two offers made sense, when they came back with another one though? Not enough time to purchase replacements being the worry perhaps?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    MikeSmithson said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    Who is the Mourinho of British politics?
    I think I'd have to go for George Osborne. Brilliant, sulky, self indulgent and prone to going off in a flounce. Frustrating and yet immensely capable.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in stance or delivery of Brexit, or any other pressurizing from remainer elements has, for good or ill, is I think a question open to debate, but you do remainers a disservice by suggesting they have had no influence on the way Brexit has been attempted to be delivered.

    A reasonable hypothesis, that doesn't stand up to experimental scrutiny.

    Did Remainers

    - get appointed to any key Brexit posts?
    - stop Article 50?
    - change the timing?
    - write May's speeches (any of them)?
    - change the negotiating briefs or outcomes?

    The Brexit that is being pursued is being driven by Bexiteers, or May's existential fear of the Brexiteers.

    Consider the alternative. May could have embraced Remainers in cabinet. She could have said "I speak for all" instead of "I speak for the 52%". She could have pursued membership of EFTA, EEA, etc. Remianers did not force her hand on any of that.

    This is a Brexit, by the Brexiteers, for the Brexiteers. And the rest of us are just collateral damage.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
    The whole 6 week delay thing to simulate work is bonkers with UC . I think actually it is a good idea, but these aren't people with savings or equity in their lives to tide them over for over a month, as people changing jobs are
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,240
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    From Gina Miller to Dominic Grieve, from Ms Soubry to Chuka Umunna, from A C Grayling all the way down to you (quite a distance, I confess), there's a cohort of Remainers who simply do not accept that we are leaving, and cannot comprehend that it is happening, and therefore will suspend democracy - literally ignore or subvert the vote - to prevent it occurring. Let us recall Ian mcEwan, the Remainer novelist par excellence, who actively wished for Leave voters to die.

    I guess you have been at the vino this evening Sean, but even you must grasp that none of the people in your list have actually stopped, averted, changed and altered Brexit in any way.

    The Brexit now being delivered, that you voted for, is driven by the Brexiteers.
    Brexiters certainly must take the lion's share of responsibility. But your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in d to be delivered.

    Remainers have had an effect. Some want to blame them for that, either for being effective or not effective enough, others will suggest any effect was negligible on the overall matters of substance. But it would be wrong to dismiss the possibility of any impact, positive or negative, on the basis that they are not in government.
    Scott_P said:

    We had the "Wah, wah, wah, it's not fair" tantrum earlier today.

    Now we have the spectacle of "It's Mummy's fault I burnt my hand, cos she told me the stove was hot, which MADE ME TOUCH IT!"

    Are Brexiteers really so ashamed of their vote any attempt at transference is worth a go?

    This right here is why I cannot take you seriously.
    Most Brexiteers (including me) are pretty happy with the way that they voted.
    I have quite a bit of Bregret myself, but people like Scott are much more effective in firming up my view than hard Brexiters. It's not even about the attempts to make everything a binary set of extremes, few can hold their heads up high on resisting that, or insulting swathes of voters with silly generalisations, since there are remainers who are much more viciously insulting who nevertheless still make me think, oh dear, they are probably right.

    But Scott, I do appreciate your lack of viciousness all the same!
    People living in ordinary provincial towns, ex-mining villages, the East coast, rural Britain, Tory suburbs, outvoted the Coalition of the Ascendant. That is what hurts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    MikeSmithson said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    Who is the Mourinho of British politics?
    Hmm. So we're looking for an arrogant, but effective and charismatic, arse. Cameron, until it all went pear shaped?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,190
    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.

    Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,360
    Back in about 1993, I lived on the Isle of Dogs. It was at a time that Derek Beackon (sp?) won a seat on the council for the BNP. There were lots of protests; I was once stuck on a D6 bus going around the isle as it followed a BNP march that consisted of a handful of marchers surrounded by a thick cordon of police officers, horses and vans.

    There was graffiti in the area stating: "ANL (Anti Nazi League) Kill the Nazi Scum!

    I guess the people making the posters didn't get the irony.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Don't underestimate Klopp.
    I'm not saying he should be canned or anything, but we still routinely dominate possession without taking our chances, and even 2 goal leads rarely feel like enough given our defensive frailty. Basically where we were when he took over, in short.
    I remember the turgid football of 2015 under Rodgers.

    This is different, if you look at his evolution of Dortmund, this is how he did it there.
    Hmm... I'm re-watching a couple of recent results versus liverpool and dortmund myself as we await the NLD. All change for my FF team to pass the time too..
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    MikeSmithson said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    Who is the Mourinho of British politics?
    Richard Burgon.... cough.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    FPT - I'm not the Government but I've tried in the past to engage with Remainers on how to best shape and inform the Brexit result. Because I was genuinely interested in what they had to say, and, funny as it sounds, I do actually care.

    Some have given me snippets, but, too often, I've had to wade through pompous, and patronising, posts laced with thinly-veiled insults - to which I've found it difficult not to react to - and others have made it clear that I have the Mark of Cain upon me for voting for Leave in the first place last year.

    So, I've largely given up.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
    The whole 6 week delay thing to simulate work is bonkers with UC . I think actually it is a good idea, but these aren't people with savings or equity in their lives to tide them over for over a month, as people changing jobs are
    Its just shameful. And immoral. And so detached from the world these people live in that it makes me almost want to weep. Along with the hyper sanction regime imposed on the chaotic and the inept a black, black blot on the government and the party. Uggh.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    edited November 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    Nah, even May beats IDS, a complete prat of a man.
    The whole 6 week delay thing to simulate work is bonkers with UC . I think actually it is a good idea, but these aren't people with savings or equity in their lives to tide them over for over a month, as people changing jobs are
    It was my understanding that advance payments can be authorised where people cannot last with the 6 week delay?
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevan.

    A reasonable hypothesis, that doesn't stand up to experimental scrutiny.

    Did Remainers

    - get appointed to any key Brexit posts?
    - stop Article 50?
    - change the timing?
    - write May's speeches (any of them)?
    - change the negotiating briefs or outcomes?

    The Brexit that is being pursued is being driven by Bexiteers, or May's existential fear of the Brexiteers.

    Consider the alternative. May could have embraced Remainers in cabinet. She could have said "I speak for all" instead of "I speak for the 52%". She could have pursued membership of EFTA, EEA, etc. Remianers did not force her hand on any of that.

    This is a Brexit, by the Brexiteers, for the Brexiteers. And the rest of us are just collateral damage.
    You're argument is because the impacts are clearly not equal, there has been none by remainers. I'm arguing there has clearly been an effect because the political environment by its very nature has an influence. I'm not arguing equivalence, merely that the political squabbles we see have two sides (at least two them) which the sides contribute to and impact what the other side chooses to do.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    edited November 2017
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    Not another 'saboteurs' headline is it? we get enough of that nonsense.

    EDit: Seen it. Godsdamnit.

    I am curious how they decided who got top billing, ie larger photos, though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    You're young. There's still time for her to be relegated to second or third place.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,190
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    That is Tom Tugendhat out of the future Tory leadership stakes then, Tory members will not vote for a 'Brexit mutineer'
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    You're argument is because the impacts are clearly not equal, there has been none by remainers. I'm arguing there has clearly been an effect because the political environment by its very nature has an influence. I'm not arguing equivalence, merely that the political squabbles we see have two sides (at least two them) which the sides contribute to and impact what the other side chooses to do.

    I am arguing cause and effect

    To date there has been zero effect, therefore I dispute the cause...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    rcs1000 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    You're young. There's still time for her to be relegated to second or third place.
    She might be the woman who kept the Tories out of power for a generation.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    DavidL said:



    Well, he went and reinvented himself as this caring, compassionate Conservative. And it might even have been true. But it sure as hell didn't make him competent to run anything.

    Graham Allen, up to 2017 the MP with by many ratings the most deprived constituency in Britain, rated IDS highly - felt he was sincere and genuinely keen to help people at the bottom of the ladder. They worked together on one or two reports, and Allen just shrugged off partisans who said he shouldn't be helping a Tory Minister - "If he's successful, he'll help my constituents, that's what matters."

    The result, unfortunately, was Universal Credit. The implementation of which perhaps bears out the "good intentions, but not very competent" view of IDS.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    edited November 2017
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    your insistence that those contributing to the political atmosphere and context are therefore irrelevant is an odd one - to take but one example, a very good, in my view, impact had by a Remainer was the Gina Miller case. That was a positive impact on the scrutinising of Brexit at the least. Whether that has as a result led to any effective change in stance or delivery of Brexit, or any other pressurizing from remainer elements has, for good or ill, is I think a question open to debate, but you do remainers a disservice by suggesting they have had no influence on the way Brexit has been attempted to be delivered.

    A reasonable hypothesis, that doesn't stand up to experimental scrutiny.

    Did Remainers

    - get appointed to any key Brexit posts?
    - stop Article 50?
    - change the timing?
    - write May's speeches (any of them)?
    - change the negotiating briefs or outcomes?

    The Brexit that is being pursued is being driven by Bexiteers, or May's existential fear of the Brexiteers.

    Consider the alternative. May could have embraced Remainers in cabinet. She could have said "I speak for all" instead of "I speak for the 52%". She could have pursued membership of EFTA, EEA, etc. Remianers did not force her hand on any of that.

    This is a Brexit, by the Brexiteers, for the Brexiteers. And the rest of us are just collateral damage.
    The PM, chancellor and Home secretary are all remainers. The foreign secretary is non ideological and fought for Brexit as a method to try and lead the Tories. So that's 3.5 remainers at the top of Government right now. I think better that way round than Boris, Gove, Davis and Fox in the great offices of state to give3.5 Brexiteers with May and Hammond doing the Fox and Davis roles.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @leicesterliz: Or patriots fighting for the future of their country. Pathetic but predictable from @dailytelegraph twitter.com/alliehbnews/st…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    I've had venereal disease that was more likeable than Mourinho.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    edited November 2017
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    You're argument is because the impacts are clearly not equal, there has been none by remainers. I'm arguing there has clearly been an effect because the political environment by its very nature has an influence. I'm not arguing equivalence, merely that the political squabbles we see have two sides (at least two them) which the sides contribute to and impact what the other side chooses to do.

    I am arguing cause and effect

    To date there has been zero effect, therefore I dispute the cause...
    And I dispute the zero effect, since you are focusing on the most major things imaginable (for instance, the failure to stop A50 does not mean there has been no effect on our politics by remainers), things which in any case the strategy of the government, though also no doubt influenced by fear of its own hardliners, has definitely been impacted by remainers. Fear of Tory remainer rebels has led discussion on many occasions, and we can be sure the government is influenced by it. You're so caught up in the assumption that if any level of effect is concededit means equivalence. It doesn't.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    If you ever wonder how lunatics are inspired to murder MPs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    That is Tom Tugendhat out of the future Tory leadership stakes then, Tory members will not vote for a 'Brexit mutineer'
    I was going to say I probably couldn't pick him out of a line up, except that this was definitely the case, given the layout, so there was no probably about it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,529
    edited November 2017
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    It's an unwanted poster....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    I'm going to use laying Boris Johnson winnings and top up my Tom Tugendhat as next Con Leader/PM portfolio.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    I've had venereal disease that was more likeable than Mourinho.
    Should you be admitting that on a blog that, you know, your dad reads?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,190
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    That is Tom Tugendhat out of the future Tory leadership stakes then, Tory members will not vote for a 'Brexit mutineer'
    I was going to say I probably couldn't pick him out of a line up, except that this was definitely the case, given the layout, so there was no probably about it.
    Nor could I to be honest, although he is MP for the town where I went to school and his mother once played tennis with my mother when he was a young boy
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/930561809463070720
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    NickPalmer said:

    DavidL said:



    Well, he went and reinvented himself as this caring, compassionate Conservative. And it might even have been true. But it sure as hell didn't make him competent to run anything.

    Graham Allen, up to 2017 the MP with by many ratings the most deprived constituency in Britain, rated IDS highly - felt he was sincere and genuinely keen to help people at the bottom of the ladder. They worked together on one or two reports, and Allen just shrugged off partisans who said he shouldn't be helping a Tory Minister - "If he's successful, he'll help my constituents, that's what matters."

    The result, unfortunately, was Universal Credit. The implementation of which perhaps bears out the "good intentions, but not very competent" view of IDS.
    I do accept he meant well. But jeez. The second best scene in T2 explains how Spuds life has been wreaked by British Summer Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITGrAOx3cJI

    Taking money away from people like that is just wrong.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,132
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.

    Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
    It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.

    And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    So yet more evidence that the Telegraph has gone all Daily Mail then.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    I've had venereal disease that was more likeable than Mourinho.
    Clap doctors are the worst.

    You get the same disease three or four times and they start acting like it is all your fault.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Is it me, or do they all look oddly related, in a slightly inbred way?*

    *This may be true of all Tory MPs, not just Seditionist Remoaners, of course

    @youngvulgarian: I mean the issue with this splash is that the new MPs' portraits look so friendly that this feels like the start of a new sitcom. pic.twitter.com/oXBH30YL5D
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/mocent0/status/930562565763190784
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,850
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    Is it me, or do they all look oddly related, in a slightly inbred way?*

    *This may be true of all Tory MPs, not just Seditionist Remoaners, of course
    I expect we'll see those 15 names time and time again.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    The_Apocalypse said:

    So yet more evidence that the Telegraph has gone all Daily Mail then.

    The one to watch is the Sun as that has the biggests leave readership
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    However hard they try, I am not yet convinced that the Brexiteer line "Remainers are to blame for Brexit being rubbish" is actually going to work.

    Gold star for effort though

    "Remainers are to blame for Brexit" works for me. Do you blame Iceland or England for England losing to Iceland last year?

    And we are, as some politician once observed, all in this together. If you think Remainers will get time off Brexit for good behaviour you are in for a rude surprise.
    There's a thread in there comparing Theresa May to Roy Hodgson.
    Why? What's he done to upset you so much?
    I'm a Liverpool fan, Roy Hodgson was the worst Liverpool manager in my lifetime.

    A bit like Theresa May being the wost Tory leader of my lifetime.
    I'm a Liverpool fan too - do the Conservatives need a Klopp, someone who makes no real progress but still makes them feel better at least?
    Its hard to admit it as a United fan but Klopp is a lot more likeable than Mourinho. Funnier too.
    I've had venereal disease that was more likeable than Mourinho.
    Should you be admitting that on a blog that, you know, your dad reads?
    Don't worry, he knows I haven't really met Mourinho.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,132
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
    Yeah whoever got to lead their Party after rebelling against it for years?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/930562733417943040
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    Is it me, or do they all look oddly related, in a slightly inbred way?*

    *This may be true of all Tory MPs, not just Seditionist Remoaners, of course
    I'm more interested that they are all looking straight ahead in their photos, naturally, except for Ken Clarke who appears to have been looking toward the floor off to one side and has only just caught himself in time to direct his gaze forward in time for the photo. What's so intriguing over there Ken?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
    Yeah whoever got to lead their Party after rebelling against it for years?
    Different party very different membership.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ProfChalmers: When was the last time a government faced a backbench revolt from MPs wanting to give the government more power than it would otherwise have? twitter.com/alliehbnews/st…
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    Is it me, or do they all look oddly related, in a slightly inbred way?*

    *This may be true of all Tory MPs, not just Seditionist Remoaners, of course
    There's 3 sets of identical twins in the top row.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
    Yeah whoever got to lead their Party after rebelling against it for years?
    Different party very different membership.
    Nah, IDS became party leader after being a serial rebel.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/930562733417943040

    I agree and it is a big mistake by TM and I am usually quite loyal
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    This front page - no doubt organised by the Tory whips - is likely to backfire. It will reinforce the rebels determination. They have nothing to lose now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    It's an unwanted poster....
    On the plus side another excellent Matt cartoon. "If these are your Christmas plans I have more than 470 amendments to propose".
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
    Yeah whoever got to lead their Party after rebelling against it for years?
    Different party very different membership.
    WSC was the first name that came to my mind!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,190
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.

    Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
    It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.

    And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
    People voted Leave

    1 'To ensure that decisions taken about the UK should be taken in the UK.'
    2 'Voting to Leave offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.'
    3 'Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.'
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Tom Tugendhat is an ex soldier, that's something that gets Tory members gushing and helps overlook any other flaws.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,230
    anothernick said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    This front page - no doubt organised by the Tory whips - is likely to backfire. It will reinforce the rebels determination. They have nothing to lose now.
    Perhaps so, although with some of them it has to be said they were not going to be corralled into line anytime soon. Ken Clarke for instance is essentially uncontrollable until he retires, I should think.

    Only 77, I still hope Bercow stands down at some point and Ken can be speaker, that would be fun. Not seeming likely though.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,132
    anothernick said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/930559878577446912

    This front page - no doubt organised by the Tory whips - is likely to backfire. It will reinforce the rebels determination. They have nothing to lose now.
    Plus it forms the very nascent basis for a new type of party complete with old hands and new up and comings.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.

    Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
    It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.

    And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
    People voted Leave

    1 'To ensure that decisions taken about the UK should be taken in the UK.'
    2 'Voting to Leave offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.'
    3 'Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.'
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
    The first two are - of course - completely correct. But the UK government always had an absolute veto over the entry of any new member. Indeed, the way the EU is constituted, it's the one thing that cannot be "power grabbed" by Brussels.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    The_Apocalypse said:

    The Conservative’s UC policy reinforces the image of them as the ‘nasty party’ which certainly helps Corbyn keep together his coalition, in spite of Emma Dent Coad’s comments and other scandals. Then there’s also the fact that many voters may not simply care about Coad’s and O’Mara’s comments to begin with. If not many cared about the ‘woodpile’ comments then it would figure.

    It is incumbent on us all to call out the odious Coad and she needs to be thrown out of labour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,012
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Daily Telegraph front page is gunning for the consevative rebels

    They've gone for Tom Tugendhat, they'll rue the day.
    If he has voted against the government he has seriously damaged his prospects of the members voting for him in the future. Shame really
    Yeah whoever got to lead their Party after rebelling against it for years?
    Different party very different membership.
    WSC was the first name that came to my mind!
    WSC wasn't just a rebel, he was also a TPD.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/930565009217814528
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    anothernick said:

    This front page - no doubt organised by the Tory whips - is likely to backfire. It will reinforce the rebels determination. They have nothing to lose now.

    It is being discussed in the chamber right now
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,132
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Am starting to warm to David Davis, he knows

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/930542395254542337

    Special treatment for City workers.

    That should please those who voted to Leave because they felt left behind and abandoned by the global elite.
    It is not German bankers workers in Dagenham and Burnley and Hartlepool and Wolverhampton were competing with but Eastern Europeans willing to work for low wages and do long hours.

    Most Leave voters will therefore be fine with that as they are still getting the controls on low-skilled workers they voted for.
    It truly is spooky how you know why people voted leave, what they are now thinking, and what kind of deal we will get.

    And yet still you refuse to tell me who will win the Triumph Hurdle next year.
    People voted Leave

    1 'To ensure that decisions taken about the UK should be taken in the UK.'
    2 'Voting to Leave offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.'
    3 'Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.'
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
    2. is the only unambiguously accurate one.

    Typical Leave fuckwits.
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