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Roger said:

FF43 said:

Leadsom's march on parliament. Theresa Villiers literally clutching her pearls ...

And they are all barking....

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ugh

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/928631237081780224

Who's the man on camera left leading the chant?

Tim Loughton.

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

The electable wing as it is also known

dixiedean said:

OldKingCole said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_P said:

Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...

The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to see

Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.

Agree, but which God?

Sadly, Israel Saudi and Iran as well as us all claim to follow the same one.

Is Allah the same as Jehovah?

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

Along with the chances of a Tory majority

OldKingCole said:

dixiedean said:

OldKingCole said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_P said:

Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...

The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to see

Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.

Agree, but which God?

Sadly, Israel Saudi and Iran as well as us all claim to follow the same one.

Is Allah the same as Jehovah?

Deleted.

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

As has the moderate wing of the Labour Party, a process greatly assisted by the result of the general election. One of the many unintended consequences of Cameron and May's calamitous errors of electoral judgment has been the move of both parties away from the political centre and towards the extremes.

With the added cruel irony that a new centrist party would, given our FPTP system, have absolutely sod all chance of doing anything.

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

As has the moderate wing of the Labour Party, a process greatly assisted by the result of the general election. One of the many unintended consequences of Cameron and May's calamitous errors of electoral judgment has been the move of both parties away from the political centre and towards the extremes.

Acting on an manifesto promise isn't an error of judgement.

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

Brexit was a defeat for liberalism, as was Trump's election. I think people answered the question in front of them and decided by a small majority that Britain was better out of the EU than in it. They weren't voting to give Cameron a boot up the backside. In previous times they would have given heed to voices that Britain's place is in Europe that it is part of a global network of nations. They didn't do that because liberalism and globalisation are discredited. Mainly because of the banking crisis of 2008 that was blamed on those international elites and because too many ordinary people haven't benefited that much, or maybe at all, from the globalisation of the last two decades.

So the country bought the snake oil from Farage et al, turned inwards and tries to cut itself off. In doing so it undoubtedly makes those problems much worse.

Roger said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/928649685807624192

I noticed in today's 'Times' the headline;

"Brussels Braced For Fall of May Government"

Do they know something we don't is it just wishful thinking?

It would be wise to do some contingency planning. But at this stage, I don't see it happening.

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point" not because of eastern europeans (who overall pay more in uk taxes than they take in resources) but because this effing useless government has pursued an ideological neo-liberal doctrine since 2010 which has hampered growth and thereby starved public services of resources.

It's as simple and clear as that!

What a crap appointment. Once again Rory is over-looked. Bonkers.

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

So Hawthorn Tree Primary in Boston, Lincolnshire, home of the highest leave vote, is wasting its time holding open evenings for the reception places it has available in 2018...

Roger said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/928649685807624192

I noticed in today's 'Times' the headline;

"Brussels Braced For Fall of May Government"

Do they know something we don't is it just wishful thinking?

I suppose it makes a change from "Brussels Braced for Formation of Belgian Government".

david_herdson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bring back Dave and his stable cabinets.

https://twitter.com/ian_a_jones/status/928638843502383104

Jeremy Hunt, the Arsene Wenger of the government...

Only three cabinet ministers have been in post longer than 1 year, 120 days. More than half (48/92) of the football managers in the top four English divisions have.

Like Arsene, somehow Hunt manages to weather constant set backs and under performing expected results and still there no matter how much the crowd shouts for his head.

midwinter said:

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point" not because of eastern europeans (who overall pay more in uk taxes than they take in resources) but because this effing useless government has pursued an ideological neo-liberal doctrine since 2010 which has hampered growth and thereby starved public services of resources.

It's as simple and clear as that!

So you're really trying to tell me that classes where half the kids only speak English as a second language doesn't have any effect on the amount of resources required in a classroom? Really?
And that doesn't even take into account the larger class sizes or schools required to cope with the demand.

Yes, classes where half .the kids only speak English as a second language does have an effect on resources... an increase of about £20,000... you really should try to understand this stuff...

midwinter said:

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point" not because of eastern europeans (who overall pay more in uk taxes than they take in resources) but because this effing useless government has pursued an ideological neo-liberal doctrine since 2010 which has hampered growth and thereby starved public services of resources.

It's as simple and clear as that!

So you're really trying to tell me that classes where half the kids only speak English as a second language doesn't have any effect on the amount of resources required in a classroom? Really?
And that doesn't even take into account the larger class sizes or schools required to cope with the demand.

Actually the evidence shows that immigrant kids raise standards and actually help non-immigrant kids.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-39285039
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/nov/02/ofsted-head-michael-wilshaw-praises-england-schools-for-immigrant-integration

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Where's Lord Falconer on the list?

Resigned before he was even appointed.

Roger said:

david_herdson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bring back Dave and his stable cabinets.

https://twitter.com/ian_a_jones/status/928638843502383104

Jeremy Hunt, the Arsene Wenger of the government...

Only three cabinet ministers have been in post longer than 1 year, 120 days. More than half (48/92) of the football managers in the top four English divisions have.

That's an extraordinary statistic. So Boris went straight from HIGNFY to Foreign Secretary. No wonder he's so crap

I think you're missing something....

Rexel56 said:

midwinter said:

Rexel56 said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

So Hawthorn Tree Primary in Boston, Lincolnshire, home of the highest leave vote, is wasting its time holding open evenings for the reception places it has available in 2018...

However it doesn't help if the increased tax take remains with the metropolitan elite rather than being spent in places where it's needed.

Unspoofable...

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Patronising twat. If you look at the derisory amount spent on education in West Sussex compared to areas of London you might understand why people are unhappy.

Just on education spending specifically, there was a segment on Look North (local news) that pupils in York get about £3,000 less per head than children in London.

midwinter said:

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

I

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point" not because of eastern europeans (who overall pay more in uk taxes than they take in resources) but because this effing useless government has pursued an ideological neo-liberal doctrine since 2010 which has hampered growth and thereby starved public services of resources.

It's as simple and clear as that!

So you're really trying to tell me that classes where half the kids only speak English as a second language doesn't have any effect on the amount of resources required in a classroom? Really?
And that doesn't even take into account the larger class sizes or schools required to cope with the demand.

No, I am not saying that. But those children will have parents who are generally working and paying taxes in this country. The Tories have pursued (ineffectively as it happens) an ideologically driven low-tax, small-state policy which has hampered growth. In pursuing that policy, they have starved public services of sufficient funds.

Sadly, large sections of the electorate have seen the effects of that underfunding and have incorrectly blamed immigrants for creating too much demand, rather than the government for not raising sufficient taxes and providing properly funded public services. The right-wing press have shamelessly stoked those fears and beliefs.

The question is, once we have left the EU, and immigration has fallen (because people don't want to live here, not bcause of any controls, which successive governments have shown they are totally incapable of implementing, event where they had the power)... the question is: who will the right-wingers blame then? Because the problems of under-funded public services will not have gone away.

Rant over!

Morris_Dancer said:

Just on education spending specifically, there was a segment on Look North (local news) that pupils in York get about £3,000 less per head than children in London.

Children don't get anything. But I imagine running a school in York costs a lot less than running one in London, even though the teachers in York will be paid more handsomely (in relation to the local jobs market) than those in London.

Morris_Dancer said:

Just on education spending specifically, there was a segment on Look North (local news) that pupils in York get about £3,000 less per head than children in London.

This is certainly the case and the new National Funding Formula has been a lot of huffing and puffing to change very little... to describe the state schools in London getting the highest levels of funding as the “metropolitan elite” is, however, quite misleading...

FF43 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

Brexit was a defeat for liberalism, as was Trump's election. I think people answered the question in front of them and decided by a small majority that Britain was better out of the EU than in it. They weren't voting to give Cameron a boot up the backside. In previous times they would have given heed to voices that Britain's place is in Europe that it is part of a global network of nations. They didn't do that because liberalism and globalisation are discredited. Mainly because of the banking crisis of 2008 that was blamed on those international elites and because too many ordinary people haven't benefited that much, or maybe at all, from the globalisation of the last two decades.

So the country bought the snake oil from Farage et al, turned inwards and tries to cut itself off. In doing so it undoubtedly makes those problems much worse.

Most importantly, it was an enormous blow for the idea of an open-door immigration policy in a world where not all cultures are equal, or equally desirable. A toxic combination of cultural relatavism and political correctness got us to where we are today.

There is an enormous difference betwen those who are willing to come to the country, work hard, and integrate - and those who come here, stick to their own, and take advantage of the system. Many if not most are the former. But to deny the existence of the latter is sheer lunacy. Nonetheless, that is what successive governments have done.

Unfortunately, because successive governments stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand, shouted la, la, la, we're not listening to you, we are now in the situation where we are. A situation where a certain segment of the population thinks *all* immigration is bad, and who desire a return to nationalist - even nativist - policies. That is ultimately at the heart of the Brexit vote. Us metropolitan elite types simply haven't been negatively affected by it, so we make jokes about "little Englanders" and stir the pot up even more. Brexit was a big, loud "are you listening yet?" - to which the answer so far seems to be a resounding "no".

It is a terrible situation to be in. But don't blame the people who have "turned inwards", blame successive governments for ignoring the problem. Had we had a more sensible policy on immigration, had there been a greater focus on integration, and on protecting our own working class from being ruthlessly undercut, we would not be where we are now.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Just on education spending specifically, there was a segment on Look North (local news) that pupils in York get about £3,000 less per head than children in London.

Children don't get anything. But I imagine running a school in York costs a lot less than running one in London, even though the teachers in York will be paid more handsomely (in relation to the local jobs market) than those in London.

3000 quid is a rather big difference - given the average is 4306/pupil.
Clearly the formula needs to be revised to be more equitable (have to admit I was stunned at how big the disparity between regions is).

Of course the Conservative cuts to the schools budget aren't going to help low levels of funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/school-funding-england-nicky-morgan-teachers-strike-schools-north-south-a7120141.html

Gritted teeth alert!!

https://twitter.com/patel4witham/status/928660563013586944

felix said:

rkrkrk said:

midwinter said:

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point" not because of eastern europeans (who overall pay more in uk taxes than they take in resources) but because this effing useless government has pursued an ideological neo-liberal doctrine since 2010 which has hampered growth and thereby starved public services of resources.

It's as simple and clear as that!

So you're really trying to tell me that classes where half the kids only speak English as a second language doesn't have any effect on the amount of resources required in a classroom? Really?
And that doesn't even take into account the larger class sizes or schools required to cope with the demand.

Actually the evidence shows that immigrant kids raise standards and actually help non-immigrant kids.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-39285039
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/nov/02/ofsted-head-michael-wilshaw-praises-england-schools-for-immigrant-integration

It really depends on the immigrants. The broad truth is that class and parental attitudes are the prime exterior determinant of pupil performance. Resources, including the general quality of teaching, I think come next.

I think the effect holds across all immigrant groups.

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

rkrkrk said:

3000 quid is a rather big difference - given the average is 4306/pupil.
Clearly the formula needs to be revised to be more equitable (have to admit I was stunned at how big the disparity between regions is).

Of course the Conservative cuts to the schools budget aren't going to help low levels of funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/school-funding-england-nicky-morgan-teachers-strike-schools-north-south-a7120141.html

That article predates the changes which the Conservative government is making to address the disparities, which are as you say surprisingly wide (even if you treat the extra costs of operating in London as a special case).

TheScreamingEagles said:

The more I think about it the more I realise than June 23rd wasn’t just a defeat for Remain it was also an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory party.

That wing of the Tory Party has been hollowed out regretfully.

June 23rd 2016 was an epochal defeat for the Cameroon wing of the Tory Party and June 8th 2017 an epochal defeat for the Blairite wing of the Labour Party.

Apart from the LDs , Brexiteers and Corbynistas are all conquering.

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Benpointer said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

I

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

"resources
It's as simple and clear as that!

So you're really trying to tell me that classes where half the kids only speak English as a second language doesn't have any effect on the amount of resources required in a classroom? Really?
And that doesn't even take into account the larger class sizes or schools required to cope with the demand.

No, I am not saying that. But those children will have parents who are generally working and paying taxes in this country. The Tories have pursued (ineffectively as it happens) an ideologically driven low-tax, small-state policy which has hampered growth. In pursuing that policy, they have starved public services of sufficient funds.

Sadly, large sections of the electorate have seen the effects of that underfunding and have incorrectly blamed immigrants for creating too much demand, rather than the government for not raising sufficient taxes and providing properly funded public services. The right-wing press have shamelessly stoked those fears and beliefs.

The question is, once we have left the EU, and immigration has fallen (because people don't want to live here, not bcause of any controls, which successive governments have shown they are totally incapable of implementing, event where they had the power)... the question is: who will the right-wingers blame then? Because the problems of under-funded public services will not have gone away.

Rant over!

Why would the government have to raise taxes, if, as you claim, immigrants contribute more in taxes than they receive in terms of public spending?

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

Robin Hood Gardens is a hellhole to live in.

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

The mind boggles. In complete contrast the truly spectacular building the V&A have built in Dundee looks well worth a visit: https://www.vandadundee.org/building-vanda-dundee

It really does look as good as that. One of the best new built buildings I have seen in a long time.

Sean_F said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

Robin Hood Gardens is a hellhole to live in.

Brutalist and houing should never, ever have been in the same sentence.

#WhatWereTheyThinking

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, that building is ugly as ****.

Personally. I'd rate it as 5-star ugly, Mr Dancer.

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

Robin Hood Gardens is a hellhole to live in.

Brutalist and houing should never, ever have been in the same sentence.

#WhatWereTheyThinking

The Barbican is fantastically popular housing and as Brutalist as it gets.

oxfordsimon said:

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

I've heard the Directors of the V&A are fighting like rats in a sack for the honour of living in this new acquisition....

Tristram will love it there. So real.

Particularly when his unsolicited smack is delivered through the door which is then kicked in the next night looking for payment....

Big_G_NorthWales said:

oxfordsimon said:

Carwyn Jones still hasn't made his statement...

Apparently it is not a resignation one sadly

If he doesn't resign believe a no confidence vote with be submitted to the Assembly

Due to start v shortly - only 50 minutes late...

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YqKDLreNZaKV

Cyclefree said:

Hello,

Have been busy doing interesting stuff. I see that May is still crap and still unable to pick a team. Plus ca change....

Anyway O/T a question for the PB Brains Trust: testimonials on a website? Yes / no? Named or not? How many? Obviously, it's not a school report and lots of "this person was brilliant" is tiresome and egomaniacal. But I want to get across that I don't just have a brilliant concept but that I've actually been doing it and it's been successful so that people can feel confident about using me.

Any bright / helpful ideas most welcome. By VM if you want. One doesn't want to go clogging up the thread, esp when there are so many wonderful ways of saying FFS! when describing our government........

Many thanks.

If you can get named testimonials from good sources, yes. You don't need very many, just enough to demonstrate that serious people rate you.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I get the feeling the Guardian just ran a script with names from Whos Who and any that were found in the documents they have written a piece on them.

Unless they are known Labour supporters, of course.

LOL. Although something tells me think Gary Lineker doesn't vote Tory.

I am all for exposing the tax dodgers and the second Panorama programme did spend a fair bit of time highlighting a guy responsible for a very dodgy looking scheme. But all this stuff of Justin Timberlake set up in a company in the Bahamas, to errrhh buy a golf course in the Bahamas, Gary Lineker the same for a holiday home, JRM had shares in a company he worked for is just bollocks.

But huge teams of journos have been poring through this stuff for the best part of a year. The Guardian are a couple of hundred grand in on this story, they’re going to keep running with it no matter how tenuous or otherwise shite is the material they’ve got.

Cyclefree said:

Hello,

Have been busy doing interesting stuff. I see that May is still crap and still unable to pick a team. Plus ca change....

Anyway O/T a question for the PB Brains Trust: testimonials on a website? Yes / no? Named or not? How many? Obviously, it's not a school report and lots of "this person was brilliant" is tiresome and egomaniacal. But I want to get across that I don't just have a brilliant concept but that I've actually been doing it and it's been successful so that people can feel confident about using me.

Any bright / helpful ideas most welcome. By VM if you want. One doesn't want to go clogging up the thread, esp when there are so many wonderful ways of saying FFS! when describing our government........

Many thanks.

Unless someone's already got a reasonable reputation then I tend to assume most website testimonials are fake. And if they have a good rep then I don't really need to read a canned testimonial.

Cyclefree said:

Hello,

Have been busy doing interesting stuff. I see that May is still crap and still unable to pick a team. Plus ca change....

Anyway O/T a question for the PB Brains Trust: testimonials on a website? Yes / no? Named or not? How many? Obviously, it's not a school report and lots of "this person was brilliant" is tiresome and egomaniacal. But I want to get across that I don't just have a brilliant concept but that I've actually been doing it and it's been successful so that people can feel confident about using me.

Any bright / helpful ideas most welcome. By VM if you want. One doesn't want to go clogging up the thread, esp when there are so many wonderful ways of saying FFS! when describing our government........

Many thanks.

I would say not personally but that might be because I am very shy. A news item section which you keep updated is definitely a good idea and you can link to any bits and pieces of media work that you do such as articles mentioning you in the FT... You can also catch key words in respect of any new regulations etc that you happen to comment on.

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

People queued round the block, literally, for Rachel Whiteread's house, back in the day.

oxfordsimon said:

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

I've heard the Directors of the V&A are fighting like rats in a sack for the honour of living in this new acquisition....

Tristram will love it there. So real.

Living in the Trellick tower is seen as a very post-modern experience.

Rexel56 said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Rexel56 said:

midwinter said:

Rexel56 said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

midwinter said:

Roger said:

Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....

WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!

Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs

That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.

It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.

So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.

So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.

Perhaps the country bumpkins are the ones who are watching the Eastern Europeans urinate on the beaches of Bognor and vomit on the side of Wetherspoons in Boston. That's probably why they couldn't care less about the hurt feelings of the metropolitan elite.

You can't possibly have any comprehension of what it's like to live in places where resources like education and health are stretched to breaking point. So you really shouldn't judge other people.

he reception places it has available in 2018...

However it doesn't help if the increased tax take remains with the metropolitan elite rather than being spent in places where it's needed.

Unspoofable...

Why unspoofable?

Well, can you explain the mechanism by which taxation of East Europeans is directed to a class of people who might reasonably be described as metropolitan and elite?

I wasn't really suggesting that all Eastern Europeans in the West Sussex had their taxation directed to the metropolitan elite as I suspect you well knew. It is fair to say that the funding in West Sussex schools is much lower than that in London and other cities.

The tax revenues raised from the migrants isn't being spent on schools, hospitals and transport in the areas where they live.

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/928567373199749122

You are alright, I will give it a miss thanks.

People queued round the block, literally, for Rachel Whiteread's house, back in the day.

Was that the one at Mile End that the KLF gave an award for being the worst work of modern art?

Edit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/turner-prize-won-by-worst-artist-1506249.html