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They were pretty gracious about May's concessions as I recall.MP_SE2 said:
But didn't all the EU drones bureaucrats rush to rubbish her speech??? They surely wouldn't be talking bollocks would they...TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May "took dictation" from the European Commission when she agreed to pay a Brexit divorce bill in her keynote Florence speech, senior sources in Brussels and EU capitals have claimed.
The Daily Telegraph understands that Mrs May included a specific pledge to "honour commitments" made during Britain’s EU membership following high-level consultations in Brussels, Berlin and other major EU capitals.
Oliver Robbins, the Prime Minister’s most senior Brexit official, discussed parts of the speech with his counterparts in the EU including a promise that the UK will continue to pay €10bn-a-year to Brussels in the two years after Brexit.
The pre-agreed wording was shared with EU officials before Mrs May had even showed her Cabinet a draft of the speech the day before she delivered it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/26/theresa-may-took-dictation-brussels-keynote-eu-speech-agreed/0 -
No problem at all, in the sense that she's done the sensible thing under the circumstances... but it does rather give the lie to the view expressed by quite a few on here and elsewhere that we have a strong hand in these negotiations.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you read it Ben and if so where is the problemBenpointer said:
Good job we hold all the aces, eh?TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May "took dictation" from the European Commission when she agreed to pay a Brexit divorce bill in her keynote Florence speech, senior sources in Brussels and EU capitals have claimed.
The Daily Telegraph understands that Mrs May included a specific pledge to "honour commitments" made during Britain’s EU membership following high-level consultations in Brussels, Berlin and other major EU capitals.
Oliver Robbins, the Prime Minister’s most senior Brexit official, discussed parts of the speech with his counterparts in the EU including a promise that the UK will continue to pay €10bn-a-year to Brussels in the two years after Brexit.
The pre-agreed wording was shared with EU officials before Mrs May had even showed her Cabinet a draft of the speech the day before she delivered it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/26/theresa-may-took-dictation-brussels-keynote-eu-speech-agreed/0 -
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 43% (+1)
CON: 39% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (-)
via @YouGov, 22 - 24 Sep
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OHHH JEEEEERRRRREMY COOOOOORRRRBYNScott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
We have a strong hand Ben - it is money and pleased you accept it was sensible.Benpointer said:
No problem at all, in the sense that she's done the sensible thing under the circumstances... but it does rather give the lie to the view expressed by quite a few on here and elsewhere that we have a strong hand in these negotiations.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you read it Ben and if so where is the problemBenpointer said:
Good job we hold all the aces, eh?TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May "took dictation" from the European Commission when she agreed to pay a Brexit divorce bill in her keynote Florence speech, senior sources in Brussels and EU capitals have claimed.
The Daily Telegraph understands that Mrs May included a specific pledge to "honour commitments" made during Britain’s EU membership following high-level consultations in Brussels, Berlin and other major EU capitals.
Oliver Robbins, the Prime Minister’s most senior Brexit official, discussed parts of the speech with his counterparts in the EU including a promise that the UK will continue to pay €10bn-a-year to Brussels in the two years after Brexit.
The pre-agreed wording was shared with EU officials before Mrs May had even showed her Cabinet a draft of the speech the day before she delivered it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/26/theresa-may-took-dictation-brussels-keynote-eu-speech-agreed/
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Tories caused a run on the £ and had no plans other than to pretend to be Strong and StableScott_P said:0 -
JCIJCIPM?bigjohnowls said:
OHHH JEEEEERRRRREMY COOOOOORRRRBYNScott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Best headline I have seen is "Weiner gets hard time"....MP_SE2 said:twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/912693283591118854
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We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
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FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...0
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Ashes in the balance then?FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
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If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
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Yeah, I know. The whole spellcheck thing is infuriating, isn't it....FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
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Ha ha....bloody autocorrect.Nigelb said:
Yeah, I know. The whole spellcheck thing is infuriating, isn't it....FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
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That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Vince too.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
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Such a pity the election was over three months agobigjohnowls said:
OHHH JEEEEERRRRREMY COOOOOORRRRBYNScott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)
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No.Pong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Who is in reserve, Jonathan Trott?TheScreamingEagles said:
Vince too.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
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No, we haven't. Even the BBC disagrees with that: it cites the last run on the pound as Black Wednesday in 1992.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
The pound has devalued since the EU ref, but that's not the same as a run. For reference, it also devalued a fair bit post 2008 during the great recession.0 -
More correctly, we had a run on the pound in 2008.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
Since then there was a reasonable recovery up until 2015, and it's now given up much of those gains - though strengthened a bit recently.
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Is this available on iTunes?williamglenn said:
A song to cheer us all up:TwistedFireStopper said:
Clearly, you need grief counselling.AlastairMeeks said:
You mean, the intensely relaxed about xenophobic Leavers?TwistedFireStopper said:
How about lining up with the not xenophobic Leavers?AlastairMeeks said:Honestly, I don't know what I'd do in such a referendum. I don't think I could inflict Britain in its current enervated state on the rest of the EU. But I can't line up with the xenophobic Leavers.
I'd be changing my mind hourly.
https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/9127604559695626340 -
Dawid Malan.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who is in reserve, Jonathan Trott?TheScreamingEagles said:
Vince too.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
If we win The Ashes, then we're going to win it with 2 batsman in the top 5.
Stokes, Bairstow, and Ali are going to be crucial.0 -
A run on the pound is not that important per se. It's the fact that investment would dry up with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge that matters.0
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Surely a devaluation is a good thing? PB Tories keep telling me soCasino_Royale said:
No, we haven't. Even the BBC disagrees with that: it cites the last run on the pound as Black Wednesday in 1992.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
The pound has devalued since the EU ref, but that's not the same as a run. For reference, it also devalued a fair bit post 2008 during the great recession.
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Given the even more bonkers policies announced so far this week, I doubt I will be the only highly educated individual dashing to the airport if Chairman Corbyn wins.Sean_F said:A run on the pound is not that important per se. It's the fact that investment would dry up with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge that matters.
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Looks like a Wee Jimmy gov't to me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Depends on Scotland.TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
So was Neil Kinnock's 1986 Lab 45% Con 31% -but it didnt happenPong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
At this rate, Graham Thorpe should be taking his pads !!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Dawid Malan.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who is in reserve, Jonathan Trott?TheScreamingEagles said:
Vince too.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
If we win The Ashes, then we're going to win it with 2 batsman in the top 5.
Stokes, Bairstow, and Ali are going to be crucial.0 -
No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?0
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It's better if you stand your ground.FrancisUrquhart said:
Given the even more bonkers policies announced so far this week, I doubt I will be the only highly educated individual dashing to the airport if Chairman Corbyn wins.Sean_F said:A run on the pound is not that important per se. It's the fact that investment would dry up with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge that matters.
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I left Labour over its tolerance of anti-Semitism, but I doubt it resonates as an issue. That's the depressing truth of it.MP_SE2 said:
If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
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Long shot. They aren't great but nor are we and it's their home.TheScreamingEagles said:
Dawid Malan.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who is in reserve, Jonathan Trott?TheScreamingEagles said:
Vince too.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS, Balance in the Ashes squad...
If we win The Ashes, then we're going to win it with 2 batsman in the top 5.
Stokes, Bairstow, and Ali are going to be crucial.0 -
Sure. Polls change.stevef said:
So was Neil Kinnock's 1986 Lab 45% Con 31% -but it didnt happenPong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)
We could be looking at a labour landslide within a year.
Exciting times.0 -
It'll be a hell of a ride.Pulpstar said:
Looks like a Wee Jimmy gov't to me.TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
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And a landslide of capital flightPong said:
Sure. It could well turn into a labour landslide within a year.stevef said:
So was Neil Kinnock's 1986 Lab 45% Con 31% -but it didnt happenPong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Good luck with that on the doorsteps!Casino_Royale said:
No, we haven't. Even the BBC disagrees with that: it cites the last run on the pound as Black Wednesday in 1992.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
The pound has devalued since the EU ref, but that's not the same as a run. For reference, it also devalued a fair bit post 2008 during the great recession.
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Yep. No one cares, not enough.SouthamObserver said:
I left Labour over its tolerance of anti-Semitism, but I doubt it resonates as an issue. That's the depressing truth of it.MP_SE2 said:
If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!0 -
The old rules no longer apply. Prior to June, no party that started with an 18% lead failed to win a big majority.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
Labour may very well win, and may very well lose.0 -
Except there still isn't an election next year either.Pong said:
Sure. Polls change.stevef said:
So was Neil Kinnock's 1986 Lab 45% Con 31% -but it didnt happenPong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)
We could be looking at a labour landslide within a year.
Exciting times.0 -
A bit like when a Tory MP used the n-word.kle4 said:
Yep. No one cares, not enough.SouthamObserver said:
I left Labour over its tolerance of anti-Semitism, but I doubt it resonates as an issue. That's the depressing truth of it.MP_SE2 said:
If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!0 -
Give it time, but it's reasonable to say, it's still not exemplary in terms of a lead. Better than nothing though.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
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The problem at the moment is there are a lot of people, like with Trump in the US, have decided to throw the baby out with the bath water.Sean_F said:
The old rules no longer apply. Prior to June, no party that started with an 18% lead failed to win a big majority.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
Labour may very well win, and may very well lose.
No amount of negative truths about Corbyn and his gang of Venezuelan loving Marxist types seem to dent people's willingness to give his bonkers ideas a go.0 -
It may even benefit them, electorally.kle4 said:
Yep. No one cares, not enough.SouthamObserver said:
I left Labour over its tolerance of anti-Semitism, but I doubt it resonates as an issue. That's the depressing truth of it.MP_SE2 said:
If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!0 -
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Absolutely spot on - but the difference in the parties next time will be a chasmSean_F said:
The old rules no longer apply. Prior to June, no party that started with an 18% lead failed to win a big majority.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
Labour may very well win, and may very well lose.0 -
More people care, probably, but by and large nothing any individual says seems to impact the feeling about the group much.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like when a Tory MP used the n-word.kle4 said:
Yep. No one cares, not enough.SouthamObserver said:
I left Labour over its tolerance of anti-Semitism, but I doubt it resonates as an issue. That's the depressing truth of it.MP_SE2 said:
If they were getting cannier politically they would have done something about all the anti-Semites that have infested their party. Instead they seem to have turned a blind eye.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!0 -
Can I be the first to say that Harry is hot?HYUFD said:Labour activist calls for the Royal Family to be guillotined
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-mocks-prince-harrys-11240409.amp
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4 points and growing, let's see if the Tories get a conference bounce.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
On the subject of the varieties of Magic Money Trees, Why is an economy based on state debt any worse than one based on ever increasing consumer and household debt?
The Tory MMT has blue flowers, the Labour Red ones, but they are the same tree0 -
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4 points maximum and shrinking. With one poll this week showing a 2 point Tory lead. No party of opposition has ever won a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections........foxinsoxuk said:
4 points and growing, let's see if the Tories get a conference bounce.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
On the subject of the varieties of Magic Money Trees, Why is an economy based on state debt any worse than one based on ever increasing consumer and household debt?
The Tory MMT has blue flowers, the Labour Red ones, but they are the same tree0 -
Do they?foxinsoxuk said:
Surely a devaluation is a good thing? PB Tories keep telling me soCasino_Royale said:
No, we haven't. Even the BBC disagrees with that: it cites the last run on the pound as Black Wednesday in 1992.SouthamObserver said:
We've had a run on the pound. It's led to inflation and a further rise in the cost of living. Makes sense to have plans to deal with such occasions. And to get coverage reminding people of what has happened over the last few months. It's another example of Labour getting cannier politically.foxinsoxuk said:
Probably worth having a contingency plan for a run, whoever is in charge. We may need it in March 2019 as the cliff edge looms.Pulpstar said:BBC Top news story -
Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
The pound has devalued since the EU ref, but that's not the same as a run. For reference, it also devalued a fair bit post 2008 during the great recession.
In any case, there's difference between an adjustment, of perhaps 10% to 20%, and a run on the pound, of the sort McDonnell is wisely assuming might happen if, God forbid, the unthinkable happens and he enters into No 11.0 -
In 1964 Wilson having had a double digit lead over Home for several months scraped in with a majority of 4. In 1986 Kinnock had a 12 point lead over Thatcher, but lost the general election of 1987. Ed Miliband had a 12 point lead over Cameron in 2012, lost the election in 2015.
......Corbyn is 4 points ahead in some polls today, 2 points behind in one, and Labour chanting mindlessly like a Nuremburg rally is a government in waiting?
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But not less than four months after the 1983 election!stevef said:
So was Neil Kinnock's 1986 Lab 45% Con 31% -but it didnt happenPong said:
That's a labour majority, is it not?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: YouGov / Times poll
Con 39 (-2)
Lab 43 (+1)
LD 7 (-)
Other 10 (+1)
1,716 GB adults
Sept 22-4 (Sept 12-13)0 -
Well he is doing much better than Gaitskell managed four months following the 1959 election!stevef said:In 1964 Wilson having had a double digit lead over Home for several months scraped in with a majority of 4. In 1986 Kinnock had a 12 point lead over Thatcher, but lost the general election of 1987. Ed Miliband had a 12 point lead over Cameron in 2012, lost the election in 2015.
......Corbyn is 4 points ahead in some polls today, 2 points behind in one, and Labour chanting mindlessly like a Nuremburg rally is a government in waiting?
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They aren't tremendously wise words are they. More hectoring and partisan words. Stirring if you agree with her no doubt, but hardly likely to win over doubters.RobD said:
Some wise words on Labour's competence, and handing things over to the ECB:williamglenn said:
This is why it's better to leave the currency in the hands of the ECB.Pulpstar said:Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound !!
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Who says the old rules dont apply? No party of opposition has ever won a general election without having a double digit lead in the polls between elections. May failed to win a big majority not because the Tory vote went down much -May got the biggest share of the vote since 1987, - but because Labour squeezed the UKIP/Liberal vote. And because older voters who outnumber younger voters massively-abstained because of May's attacks on the old. It wont happen next time. The Stalinists who support Corbyn should remember the old Russian proverb: "dont cook your rabbit before you catch it"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Absolutely spot on - but the difference in the parties next time will be a chasmSean_F said:
The old rules no longer apply. Prior to June, no party that started with an 18% lead failed to win a big majority.stevef said:No party of opposition has ever won a majority at a general election without being at least 15 points ahead in the opinion polls between elections. Remind us again what Labour's lead is right now?
Labour may very well win, and may very well lose.0 -
Gaitskell dropped dead in 1963 and was younger than Corbyn.justin124 said:
Well he is doing much better than Gaitskell managed four months following the 1959 election!stevef said:In 1964 Wilson having had a double digit lead over Home for several months scraped in with a majority of 4. In 1986 Kinnock had a 12 point lead over Thatcher, but lost the general election of 1987. Ed Miliband had a 12 point lead over Cameron in 2012, lost the election in 2015.
......Corbyn is 4 points ahead in some polls today, 2 points behind in one, and Labour chanting mindlessly like a Nuremburg rally is a government in waiting?
Really?0
